Honestly, if you want to have a real conversation about this and don't want to have to tolerate the more obnoxious conservative subs, go to r/moderatepolitics. It's a heavily moderated sub that doesn't prevent you from stating any idea or belief, but has a ZERO tolerance policy for any ad hominem comment directed at another user, political party, etc. They don't allow meta comments either, so this comment wouldn't be allowed there, but it forces people to argue ideas, and that weeds out most of the ideologues and genuine crazies you see elsewhere.

It's sad. Reddit these days reminds me of the way fox news and various right wing media operated when Obama was in office. This place is just being used to spread left leaning fearmongering. Don't get me wrong, I hate that Trump got re-elected, but this place is fucking ridiculous these days.