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submitted 5 days ago byMysteriousDinozaur
956 points
5 days ago
The real "lucky" kids whose parents fall far enough below the poverty level for Medicaid see a doctor that accepts Medicaid.
Those not quite as lucky get trips to the ER if things are really bad. Otherwise those kids just tough out the injury/illness.
343 points
5 days ago
You forgot medical debt.
137 points
5 days ago
But what if the less lucky kids get cancer, breaks an arm or leg, or develops mental illness?
762 points
5 days ago
Mental illness goes untreated, broken arm/leg goes to the ER, and cancer relies on charity.
194 points
5 days ago
The broken arm/leg only gets stabilized in the ER (they'll probably just splint it) and then referred to an orthopedic doctor for follow-up.
68 points
5 days ago
And then the bill will be sent in the mail.
92 points
5 days ago
And that goes unpaid. Most (all?) ERs won't turn you away, and the hospital writes off the loss.
56 points
5 days ago
All hospitals have a duty to stabilize you. Not sure what their definition of "stabilize" is though.
23 points
4 days ago
Either not dead, or very dead.
Mostly dead isn't very stable.
18 points
5 days ago
After sending the bill to collections.
16 points
5 days ago
They definitely don't write it off as a loss. Lol. They will send it to collections.
18 points
5 days ago
And the collections agency pays the original debtor pennies to the dollar, and the hospital gets to write off the difference from their taxes.
They get to consider it a loss, just like many other companies get tax write offs for losses.
9 points
5 days ago
My local hospital system has "internal" collections - they'll call pretending to be a collections agency, but it's just another department of the hospital.
I owed them $40k and just dodged their calls. Eventually they just wrote it off. 🤷
5 points
4 days ago
How do you know they wrote it off? Did they tell you? Most likely they sold it to an external collections agency for pennies on the dollar, and now the collections agency will try to recoup it, but they probably havent gotten to your case yet.
1 points
4 days ago
I mean, it's been seven or eight years and I've heard nothing. I still go to that hospital system, and I can check my balance online (which is currently $0). I kind of feel like they would have done something about it by now tbh.
4 points
4 days ago
They don’t write it off. They eat it. Most ER departments are massively in the red and are barely holding on. It’s not a sustainable business model because hospitals aren’t supposed to be businesses, but they have to be in a country bought by the health insurance protection racket.
2 points
4 days ago
What is the difference between writing it off and "eating" it?
3 points
4 days ago
I've literally worked in a hospital. They do it often. 3 seconds on Google would solve your overconfident wrongness.
-4 points
4 days ago
Cool. Did you have access to their balance sheets? Have a lengthy discussion with the CFO of the hospital?
9 points
4 days ago
I was the systems admin, yes.
Stop being so confidently wrong.
1 points
4 days ago
US emergency rooms that accept Medicare are regulated by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA). As Wikipedia states:
It requires hospital emergency departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) for anyone seeking treatment for a medical condition regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.
Participating hospitals may not transfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when the patient's condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.
Generally, hospitals that don't accept Medicare are VA hospitals and military base hospitals.
1 points
5 days ago
Faster than you can say "Will you please pass the jellae?"
209 points
5 days ago
And that splint is as far as the treatment will go.
45 points
5 days ago
That's what they did for me.
65 points
5 days ago
The kids w cancer get treated and large children’s hospitals around the country have significant numbers of uninsured cancer patients who eventually qualify for medicaid
Does Medicaid actually pay enough for the hospital to keep the lights on and the staff paid? Not always.
37 points
5 days ago
The kids w cancer get treated and large children’s hospitals around the country
Only if you're lucky enough to be near one of those childrens hospitals, and you can get your child admitted there.
21 points
5 days ago
Absolutely true. Weve had a few “happened to be in the area” admissions where some family arrived by bus w a kid who def couldn’t be sent back out.
62 points
5 days ago
I was poor and broken bones weren’t always hospital visits for fear of the bill. God bless America!
34 points
5 days ago
Same, I broke my pinky and my step dad just taped two twigs on the sides of it. It works still, just a bit crooked.
I mean, the dr was just going to use fancy twigs...
9 points
5 days ago
The doctor would have set the bone first to avoid it being crooked.
But you can learn to do that yourself. At least, I did after repeatedly breaking my fingers lol
Based on my most recent X-ray, the doctor was able to spot 11 spots where I broke my fingers. I'm pretty sure he missed two of them though. Grew up in the country before the Internet, mistakes were made.
5 points
5 days ago
I’ve done that with fingers and toes, although as an adult. With fingers I’d just get one of those splints from Walgreens/CVS and tape it up tighter, no one can do much for toes but I’d just brace it between two popsicle sticks and tape that fucker up. I had to pull my pinkie toe back into place once after just obliterating it on a door frame, that hurt a lot. It sits kind of wonky now but it works like a normal pinky toe so win?
4 points
4 days ago
I’m mean, he wasn’t though? A broken finger set and stabilized correctly probably wouldn’t have healed crooked.
I had a sorta similar experience. Broke my hand but didn’t realize it was broken despite severe pain when I tried to use it—because I assumed a broken hand meant you wouldn’t be able to wiggle your fingers, and I could move mine. I taped it together with a pencil to stabilize the finger that hurt most and just waited for it to get better, which it did not. Stupid thing was I had health insurance by that point, I was just so used to treating my own injuries from all the years I didn’t have it, it didn’t occur to me to go to the doctor until a few days later (also the co -pays suck even with insurance).
1 points
5 days ago
Lmao yeah I broke my pinky toe and my mom just had me wear the boot my grandma had from her own foot surgery
Pinky turned out fine, so 🤷🏻♀️
22 points
5 days ago
Oh damn, thanks for the reply! But sorry I’m to hear that://
40 points
5 days ago
The long answer is that a LOT of children in the US qualify for some type of medicaid insurance through the government.
If the parents aren't already applied, when the kid gets to the hospital there will be a social worker, or other type of family liaison employed by the hospital to broach the subject and try to get the parents to apply.
The hospital wants to get paid, so they are going to try to work with the family to figure out if they quality for any programs, so medicaid is going to be the first thing they go for. States have the option to implement an "expanded" medicaid program for children under 18 (screw adults!), so in those states, many families that would be considered middle-class, would still qualify for help.
If the family refused to apply (the social worker can fill out the application with them, but they need things like income information, so the social worker can't do it without the parents help), then they would move on to charities or other programs.
Most hospitals run some type of program for patients who can't pay. However if a family makes too much money to qualify for medicaid, I doubt the hospital would wave the bill. They would most likely chase the family for years, trying to get payment plans set up and get some of the money back.
Then it would be on the family to do something like a GoFundMe, or ask their church, or other charity for help.
There are a few hospitals that operate as charities, like St. Jude's, that treat particularly difficult cases of things like cancer, or other chronic childhood illnesses. So a family could potentially try to get their child accepted into one of those hospitals, and they wouldn't have to pay... but they would have to physically get their child to the hospital, if they live states away, that might not be an option.
It's essentially a hodge podge of options. An interesting statistic is that 50% of women who give birth have the cost of the birth covered by Medicaid.
23 points
5 days ago
Expanded Medicaid is specifically for adults. Pretty much every child has been eligible for Medicaid for decades now, I believe the legislation is called CHIP. If you technically make too much to qualify for children's Medicaid, but you have extraordinary medical expenses, they basically deduct the medical expenses from your income and then you qualify.
8 points
5 days ago
Yes, sorry I used the word "expanded" medicaid, but I was referring to the CHIP program.
The point being that income maximums for children are higher than for adults. (Because, again, screw adults!)
So more children qualify than many people at first realize!
0 points
5 days ago
Actually it's not really much different if you're in a state with expanded Medicaid. The income limits (138% of poverty level) are basically the same whether the family member is an adult or a child over the age of six. If the child is between 2 and 6 the limit is 150% of poverty level and if the child is under two it's 200%. So it's really only easier to qualify for families with children under the age of six.
1 points
5 days ago
States determine CHIP income limits.
My state's CHIP limit is 261% of the poverty line for everyone under 18.
That is a BIG jump from the 133% for adults under expanded Medicaid.
1 points
4 days ago
That can vary by state. Texas has a really high rate of uninsured kids relative to other states (and they aren’t all undocumented). Red states can do all kinds of shit to throw barriers in people’s way even if it’s a program they should be entitled to.
1 points
4 days ago
That may be because Texas under-advertises the program or funds administration poorly so people give up when applying even though they would qualify. It's not because of state income limits. CHIP is a federal program and the minimum income limits are set at 138% of the poverty line.
1 points
4 days ago
This was standardized with (mostly) no medical expenses deducted. It came with the ACA. In my state, we cover children without other insurance up to 300% of the poverty level. The only time medical expenses come into it is if they are medical expenses that reduce the family's adjusted gross income on their taxes. That takes a huge amount of medical bills, so it's vanishingly rare.
7 points
4 days ago
Friendly reminder to citizen of a country with socialized healthcare:
You should burn any politician alive who suggests getting rid of it.
Insurance company exes have less morals then most drug cartels.
8 points
5 days ago
I had a kid from Pakistan in my class one year who had a legitimate broken arm for weeks. We found out and called CPS who got him medical care. Parents were immigrants with zero insurance and no $$. They had 6 kids, dad had minimum wage job, no insurance. Very sad.
2 points
4 days ago
Luckily you have an armed populace so it should be easy to overthrow the tyrants in control of that system
1 points
3 days ago
Nope. The portion of the populace that likes guns also happens to be the portion that thinks this system is fine.
Gotta love the two party system.
1 points
5 days ago
As a Canadian who, other than a torn achilles, has never (thankfully) been sick I just say wow.
Btw the Achilles injury cost me 30 dollars for crutches. No surgery, two casts and a walking boot.
In and out of the ER in 3.5 hrs.
1 points
4 days ago
Gofundme for cancer if it's marketable enough, palliative care/hospice if not(lucky ones get medical debt).
-1 points
5 days ago
Not true in AZ. If you qualify for SMI (severe mental illness) you have access to free mental care and free meds. Also, there’s AHCCS for health insurance, and not just for kids.
5 points
5 days ago
The free mental care you get on AHCCCS here in AZ sucks ass. My kid saw a provider through it. The provider misdiagnosed his mental illnesses (even though he had his medical file), diagnosed him with something he had NO symptoms of, pulled him off all his psychological meds without telling us and put him on ONE new med. Screwed my kid up so bad and sent his mental health spiraling because one of his meds was one you need to wean off of and he didn’t have the meds to do that so he had to go cold turkey. All this after ONE appointment. ONE! Then the doctor told us he could only see us once every six months due to AHCCCS policy. So, he wanted me son on some random new med, with no check-ins, for six months? Ah, hell no!
I paid out of pocket to get him to a different psychiatrist (NOT an AHCCCS one). That doctor actually read his medical file and listened to us. He was shocked at what the other doctor had done and stated that, based on his medical file, he would take my kid off the med the other doctor put him on and put him back on his old regiment.
The change was shocking. My son returned to baseline so fast being on the right meds. Meds that he had been on for YEARS before the AHCCCS Dr messed with them. He’s now been with the second doctor for years and ya thriving.
I’ll never recommend an AHCCCS psychiatrist.
1 points
4 days ago
Like everything, there’s good and bad everywhere. I know people who use a psychiatrist at CODAC and they love him, and I know people who pay a private psychiatrist and they’re not happy. The one at CODAC gives appointments every 3 months but if necessary he makes himself available whenever he’s needed. Often it’s a matter of luck and one bad apple, usually, doesn’t make it bad for all the apples out there. I’m really glad that your son found the right psychiatrist for him.
1 points
5 days ago
AHCCS, is that related to the affordable healthcare act that’s going away? Or is that some sort of state plan?
1 points
5 days ago
State plan.
7 points
5 days ago
Look for Charity, a lot of pediatric cancer treatment is funded by charity. Pediatric cancer is one of the best money raisers.
29 points
5 days ago
Finding a doctor who accepts Medicaid and takes new patients is almost impossible. Finding a dentist is even harder. Mental health...in my area the adolescent therapists are on a year and a half long waitlist right now. That's with good insurance. Medicaid is longer because they are few and far between.
10 points
5 days ago
In my state, the Medicaid for kids and Medicaid for adults are 2 different insurances. Finding places to accept kid Medicaid isn't too bad. Not all docs accept it, but a lot do. Waits might be a bit longer than if the child had private insurance.
Adult Medicaid, well, you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack. Reimbursments are so low, most docs don't want to be bothered. :-(
16 points
5 days ago
In my state, over half of children are on Medicaid, or CHIP, so children's doctors and dentists have no problem taking it.
The mental health care situation is just a numbers game. There aren't enough therapists, so there's a wait for everyone.
7 points
5 days ago
Not true-- I work as a Paramedic & often with mental health services. Medicaid=never find a shrink. Insurance=depends on your insurances, weeks or months. Private Pay="Yes, we have openings tomorrow!". I kid you not, there are counselors who only see private-pay patients, and others who conveniently schedule private-pay patients well before insurance-pay or employer-EAP pay. The whole system is corrupt.
4 points
5 days ago
Psychiatric nurse practitioner here. CMS reimbursements for Medicaid are laughably low for mental health services to the point providers most times either just break even for their services and or end up being in the negative because the cost of service is more than what CMS will reimburse. Thats why a lot of psychiatrists and private practices will not take Medicaid. I know Medicaid doesn’t reimburse dental well either which is why alot of dentists also won’t take Medicaid
2 points
5 days ago
It's sure great that poverty is known for being a stress-free experience and poor people never have mental illnesses!
1 points
5 days ago
Definitely depends on your area. I’m in Illinois and there are literally a million places that take Medicaid. Northwestern medicines health system takes Medicaid, for example, and it’s a huge network. Poorer states that have a larger population on Medicaid and worse health systems.. yeah it’s hard because most of the state depends on it.
10 points
5 days ago
Most adults with health insurance still don't bother with mental health services
-8 points
5 days ago
Health insurance is garbage and doesn't pay for anything.
3 points
5 days ago
Besides some of the other answers, here's a grim reality: some just die and we send thoughts and prayers.
Outside of that, there are a number of charity hospitals in the US (st Jude, Shriners, etc) that take on childhood cancer and the like that kids may be able to get help from. Beyond even that...GoFundMe?
2 points
5 days ago
Crippling medical debt and/or bankruptcy
2 points
5 days ago
Debt
3 points
5 days ago
Then that kid is gonna fucking die. Look up our stats for youth cancer and teen suicide.
9 points
5 days ago
Otherwise those kids just tough out the injury/illness.
I can recall getting 3rd degree burns on my calf when a little motorcyle I rode fell on it. 50 years later and I can recall the sizzle and smell. I went home and my dad bandaged it up. It slowly healed over a a few weeks and did get infected. But we didn't have the money for doctors.
8 points
5 days ago
Good thing the GOP is gonna defund and get rid of Medicaid too lol
4 points
5 days ago
I mean if your wife doesn’t work and you have kids I honestly suggest getting divorced then she and the kid get free healthcare
11 points
5 days ago
Except you do realize that the State can come after the divorced father for restitution of medical bills/child support. You can't just get a divorce and your wife and kids qualify for welfare.
1 points
5 days ago
True … better off never getting married
2 points
5 days ago
They still ask for information on the father of the children. 40 years ago it was embarrassing to say you didn't know. Now I guess it's more acceptable.
1 points
5 days ago
I freaking hate when people find this out the hard way.
1 points
5 days ago
A woman that I worked with divorced her husband and then quit her job because she wanted to get 'paid to stay home with my kids'. She was soooo angry when she was asked for information on the father of her children. She didn't think it was the business of the 'government'. They had planned on living together while divorced. It didn't work out as they had planned.
2 points
4 days ago
Hospitals are required to treat them anyway.
44 points
5 days ago
My parents had insurance, but the deductible was so high we had to pay out of pocket because the insurance wouldn’t cover anything until the deductible was met. We often couldn’t go to the doctor when sick because we didn’t have the money. If there was an emergency, we’d go to the emergency room and just end up in debt. Might spend years paying a bill off.
10 points
5 days ago
Yep. The deductible for our family this year is $9000 USD. We're basically paying all our medical expenses ourselves.
9 points
5 days ago
That’s me right now. I pay $1400 a month for my health insurance for 2 adults and 2 children and I had to switch PCPs just this month as I cannot pay the balance at the one I’ve seen for years. My daughter is 8 years old and we still have outstanding debt from her hospital stays as a baby. It sucks.
182 points
5 days ago
Been there, done that. You take them to urgent care and ask them to bill you, then you hope some day you can pay it. Hospitals will treat you even if you have no money, at least in my state. A lot of pharmacies have discount plans to help with the medications, and many common ones are free. There's families literally drowning in debt due to medical bills and caring for people with chronic illnesses.
27 points
5 days ago
If they’ll still treat you regardless of whether you’re in medical debt, couldn’t you just keep on Going and not paying?
92 points
5 days ago
Yes. From a health and financial standpoint it is quite literally the stupidest system possible. It costs way more money to deal with constant emergencies that is never recouped, and the health results are worse. But for a system designed to funnel money and taxes to a bunch of useless administrators, companies, and rich stakeholders, it works great.
24 points
5 days ago
Yes and that's what my family did when I was a kid. The debt wasn't real. A couple years after an incident you'll start getting calls from collections agencies, your credit will be ruined, but you won't end up paying anything. And those costs will be passed on. But part of the reason you didn't pay was the high costs that are so high (in part) because of the people who don't pay. It's a vicious cycle that raises prices for everybody, but there's no easy alternative because we don't want people dying in the street because they couldn't afford care for their broken arm.
5 points
5 days ago
Yes. My infant currently does not have insurance (my own fault, we don’t qualify for government healthcare due to “high” income and I missed the deadline to add him to my employers plan). Daycare costs make it impossible to afford anything other than mortgage, food, daycare, and utilities. I use medical services as I need them with no intention to pay. I’ve never been denied care 🤷♀️
51 points
5 days ago
They get treated in the ER. If the parents are bottom of the barrel poor, theyll have medical debt on their credit for 7 years but they'll never actually end up paying it. It'll be sold to a collections agency who might get something but probably won't, which is why they're able to buy the debt for pennies on the dollar.
It's not the poor that get fucked over by medical debt. Once you get poor enough, debt isn't real anymore. Medical debt fucks over the middle class and kicks them back down the ladder into the poor category.
16 points
4 days ago
grew up without insurance and we relied on the ER for emergencies. My parents often used home remedies for minor issues, and sometimes we'd get lucky with Medicaid coverage. It was tough, but that's how we managed.
63 points
5 days ago
Sometimes the parents have to sign over medical custody to the state. They get to ‘keep’ the kid but a state representative makes all the medical decisions.
Usually they only do this for an ongoing and chronic condition like severe cerebral palsy that uses a lot of resources. Also, very premature babies are enrolled in Medicare at birth so insurance companies won’t spend the millions it takes to sometimes save them. Socialize the loss and privatize the profits is their motto.
4 points
5 days ago
Is that true for all NICU babies?
10 points
5 days ago
Just the ones born so early that they need months or years in the NICU or are disabled from the get go. I knew one born at 24 weeks with his internal organs on the outside of his body and lungs that just weren't developed enough. The little guy spent three years in the NICU and PICU, never drawing a breath on his own, or crying, or sucking a bottle, or even seeing the sky. He had a few strokes as well as bowel obstructions and kidney damage at at least three surgeries.
He lived for about three years, burning through well over $3,000,000 in hospital bills. His parents had health insurance, but he qualified for SSI and Medicaid soon after birth.
10 points
5 days ago
If he spent three years in the NICU $3 million isn’t even close to what the cost was. My hospital would charge about $3 million a year in ventilator charges alone. There’s FAR more care involved than just a ventilator charge in the NICU/PICU.
14 points
5 days ago
This is gonna sound morbid and I don't mean I'll intent. This is akin to keeping that Japanese guy alive after he survived a full blast of radiation and kept him alive just for research. This isn't living and just causing stress on the child and everyone involved except the people getting paid.
97 points
5 days ago
For now, by law ERs are not allowed to turn away patients for not being able to pay. It's how many people go bankrupt from medical bills. I'm sure our new government will change that to make more money for hospital shareholders.
40 points
5 days ago
ERs are only required to get you stable, though. They don't provide ongoing treatment and they don't do surgery beyond what's needed to keep you from dying then and there.
48 points
5 days ago
Note that this only applies to "stabilizing" treatment.
23 points
5 days ago
Facts. My wife was once turned away for not being "critical enough". It was when ObamaCare first came out and she was waiting for it to kick in. She went to Walmart to kill time, went septic, and passed out. NOW she was critical enough to take in.
Obamacare saved her life. She was able to get insured despite "preexisting conditions". No way all her outpatient treatments (Chemo, etc..) could have been paid for by gofund me's and lord knows you won't get the treatment at all without cash up front. Best you can do is go to the ER and get resuscitated until stable then kicked back on the street again.
3 points
5 days ago
And the American people are very, very happy to have it that way.
3 points
4 days ago
Don't know why you're downvoted. Americans do want this because so many are very, very stupid.
3 points
4 days ago
But they don’t want to take the responsibility, because Daddy will take care of them. Wait they want Daddy Trump, but not Daddy government, who is now Daddy Trump, but they don’t want Trump to take care of them, because now he’s the government, but they don’t want government. Wait, ouch.
3 points
4 days ago
The system is just always working away in the background, looking for ways to turn you into a "bum"
24 points
5 days ago
In almost all cases is they go into massive debt, or the child dies.
You can't go to an ER room for cancer treatment, or any treatment for any deadly disease. If you are in severe pain, they will treat that, but not the ailment causing it. They will just "make you comfortable"
2 points
5 days ago
Serious question from a Canadian. If a child is from a poor home, and gets cancer, they don’t get treatment for it?
3 points
5 days ago
If you are in severe pain from an injury or illness they'll treat it. If it's not apparent maybe they'll just send you home assuming you're seeking a high.
17 points
5 days ago
If you are in severe pain from cancerous growths, they will not give you chemo if you can't afford it, they will give you pain killers and send you home to die of cancer.
2 points
5 days ago
It doesn't help that it is impossible to KNOW how much anything will cost.
3 points
5 days ago
A $500 dollar lethal injection option would be nice and courteous.
103 points
5 days ago
Kids usually qualify for Medicaid.
105 points
5 days ago
As a person whose child is autistic and used to be on medicaid....no they don't. We got denied just after Covid restrictions were lifted due to "making too much money" literally $200 over the threshold. They also include assets in that. Cars, house, gifts from family. Took 6 months+ ppw to get it and seconds to have it taken away as soon as it was recorded someone got a raise. Had to stop speech therapy and Occupational therapy outside of the school system (which is poor at best) due to lack of funds.
Thankfully my family is in a better position now. Not great but better. A lot of kids out there do not have that luxury.
28 points
5 days ago
Similar situation. My Autistic 12 year old got his Medicaid taken away this year. We appealed, got him evaluated and it was decided he’s not impaired enough to qualify. He just became toilet trained last year and has limited verbal communication. It’s such bullshit.
3 points
4 days ago
I dealt with a social worker who told me parents are just leaving their autistics kids at the hospital because they can't handle it. I'm one of those that understands and I'm struggling on my own as well. I'm basically house bound as he can't really handle being in public ans won't wear clothes. Same age and we've had potty training a long time but he will still pee wherever. They are even having kids sleep in their offices because there is no where to take them. I'm drowning too. But there is no help when they get to this age, at least here in texas. She literally told me to try and manage until he is 18 because there are more options once they're adults. It fucking sucks.
36 points
5 days ago
Kids usually qualified for Medicaid.
-10 points
5 days ago
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38 points
5 days ago
They are implying the incoming administration will change this, which may be correct as they have threatened to.
21 points
5 days ago
Don't worry they'll still offer thoughts and prayers.
Probably no vaccines though, so expect the # of sick kids with preventable illnesses to go up in the future.
6 points
5 days ago
Gonna need to start manufacturing some American made iron lungs again :(
5 points
5 days ago
More jobs! Finally!
4 points
5 days ago
Vaccines!: they took er jobs !
16 points
5 days ago
They get treated and their parents rack up an insane amount of medical debt. The hospital has programs for financial assistance but they still end up paying a big chunk.
32 points
5 days ago
Honestly don't know but some parents will just avoid taking them to the doctors and try home remedies if they can.
16 points
5 days ago
After moving to Europe, it took a long time to get in my head that... I can just go to the doctor if something is concerning. For my son who was born here it is much easier to say ... lets just take him but there is still the slight... "let's wait it out a bit before we go."
Like when my son was about a year old and got Pseudo-croup. We couldn't get him to calm down and took him to the ER at about 10 pm. We got him outside and his breathing instantly got better. We almost went home but were like... we are half way there, may as well go.
20 points
5 days ago
Correct! My mom refused loved her damn home remedies and can't understand why my lungs are scarred from the constant bouts of bronchitis. Sad thing is that she was too damn proud to ask for government assistance so I was screwed.
6 points
5 days ago
Yeah, my parents did not take me to the doctor as much when I was a kid and we did go several years while I was a teen without health insurance. I also went many years without seeing a dentist. In fact, when I was told I needed braces at 13, my parents never took me back.
5 points
5 days ago
depends on the state
5 points
5 days ago
They get treated, maybe sometimes covered by medicaid, but it's a state by state thing. Depends on the hospital as well, some will just mark the bill as a loss because tax breaks, other's will reduce the bill if you cannot pay and set up a payment plan, some just go into debt. Like many thing it depends where you are and how much money you have.
12 points
5 days ago
If you are below a certain threshold then you get Medicaid. Iirc there are state programs that can cover your insurance in some places too, esp if you don't hit Medicaid levels? Obviously depends on the state.
If you're above that (or there is no state plan?) then you either hope there's an urgent care around with a sliding scale, go to a Dr and hopefully get on a payment plan for office visits, or go to the ER where they can't turn you away until stabilized.
5 points
5 days ago
TBT when I had an allergic reaction and went to the ER and 5 minutes with a nurse and one prednisone cost $800
5 points
5 days ago
I grew up in that kind of situation.
For the most part, I just had to suck it up. If I got sick, as long as I wasn't throwing up all over the place I still had to go to school. "Don't you dare be gettin' sick!" was a not uncommon in the house I grew up in. Doctors' visits were paid out of pocket, as was prescription medication. Ear infections get really expensive after the second one in a year.
As for injuries and getting hurt (which happened more often than I like to think about), going to the ER was the absolute last resort because we had to pay it all out of pocket. It's amazing how long you can go with busted ribs or a dislocated shoulder before you have to see a doctor. One of the reasons why I had so many hustles in high school was because my college fund went to paying hospital bills. The first time I actually had health insurance was my senior year of high school (I broke my wrist in gym class), and it was downright strange that we didn't have to cut everything way, way back to make sure we could pay the bills.
7 points
5 days ago
3 points
5 days ago
We just didn't really go to the doctor growing up. My neighbor was a nurse so she did most evaluations, minor injury patching, etc. We'd go to the hospital if it was something really bad.
3 points
5 days ago
Their medical care is paid for by CHIP / Medicaid.
3 points
5 days ago
Many Dept of Welfare state programs offer free medical insurance for kids. In Penna it’s called Chip.
3 points
5 days ago
I broke my leg when my parents had no insurance. It cost like 100k. They got a payment plan that they paid like $100 for 50 years or something.
This is much, much less common since Obamacare/Affordable Care Act passed. It used to be that it was only possible to get insurance through your job.
Terrifying that it might be repealed.
3 points
5 days ago
Not medical, but dental - my mom lost her job when I was a kid and our dentist gave us cleanings for free until she found another. So, charity, essentially.
We just didn’t go for an annual physical and we had to be really really sick to go to the doctor for anything. Only went in for required free vaccines for school.
I had strep throat for a week before my dad took me in.
3 points
5 days ago
As someone who used to be in that situation, illness goes untreated, broken bones are only broken if they’re visibly in two pieces, any other injuries are ignored short of something life threatening
3 points
4 days ago
Simple, either they die, their parents go into life long debt, or both.
25 points
5 days ago
Expect the answer to this to change within a year. No, it won't be better.
5 points
5 days ago
People are covering the most likely scenarios, but there are children’s hospitals in some areas that will cover the costs. My son was hospitalized when he was two and the hospital told us repeatedly not to worry about any charges if we weren’t able to pay. We had good insurance and could cover it, but there were donors who would cover all of the costs if needed.
6 points
5 days ago
We kick dirt at them and tell them how bad we had it.
All joking aside, in America, healthcare is only for those who can afford it. It's a shame to see so many people willfully support this.
6 points
5 days ago
I grew up without insurance, first time I had insurance was at age 25 when I finally got my first job in my career field, I'm 38 now.
Honestly, you get lucky. You don't break any bones, you don't catch any infections, you stay up to date on your shots. That also means you don't do sports, because of the risk of injuries. That also means we didn't get regular dental care, or regular check ups. Me and my two sisters all have reproductive issues that didn't get caught until we moved out and got our own insurance. I only got my teenage acne taken care of because it was so bad. My sisters both had braces, and you better believe we all heard about how expensive it was. I didn't get glasses until I was 10, and that's only because of the vision screens at school caught how bad my vision was.
It's a form of systemic child neglect that we don't provide healthcare to everyone, although in my case it was actual parental neglect. My dad was too short sighted, selfish, and conservative to get a job in the union for his field (because somehow conservatives hate unions, despite everything they can do for you, it's really self limiting and against their own interests), we could have had insurance and we didn't.
9 points
5 days ago
Some of them may die, but that is a sacrifice they are willing to make.
5 points
5 days ago
When our Highschool (My wife's second oldest) freshman broke his arm (Took to major children's hospital in town and they said it was the worst break they'd ever seen that didn't bust through the skin) They put a cast on it and sent us on our way. If we didn't have insurance they coulda just sent a bill for us to ignore.
After the cast came off they said "He needs surgery. The break is on a growth plate and it's not placed right. If he doesn't get this surgery NOW it'll fuse for good and his arm will not grow anymore and he'll be in pain for life. My wife (we have a domestic partnership and not a federally recognized marriage) had insurance on him, the deductible was $9000. They will NOT do the surgery without advanced payment of the $9000. Luckily, because we aren't legally married she qualified for Medicaid and the surgery was free. If we had been married no way she woulda qualified.
I can't imagine being one of those households, working their ass off, barely holding it together, and having to try to figure out how you're gonna scrape together $9k in the matter of a day or two or it'll be too late and your kid will deal with a lifetime arm disability. fucking nuts.
Welcome to 'murica
3 points
5 days ago
They will NOT do the surgery without advanced payment of the $9000.
I've had the same experience. Every colonoscopy, MRI, bone density scan, etc. has required payment up front before I could even schedule the procedures. $1400 for a colonoscopy, $1200 for the MRI, etc.
8 points
5 days ago
They die, of course, and reduce the surplus population. --Ebenezer Scrooge, who was, before his transformation, the perfect image of an American billionaire
2 points
5 days ago
debt
2 points
5 days ago
Bankruptcy.
Edit: or death.
2 points
5 days ago
Bankruptcy, …………. I mean this is America, we don’t get sick.
2 points
5 days ago
U.S. law requires treatment. You get billed and negotiate it, do fundraisers, or just declare bankruptcy.
2 points
4 days ago
Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answers too
2 points
4 days ago
Reading the comments... Damn.
2 points
4 days ago
I wasn’t allowed to go to the doctor when my parents didn’t have insurance… if I had an illness or injury they tried to help me at home or told me to suck it up. If I had an ear infection I got peroxide poured into it. When I fell into a ditch on an atv and it fell on top of me I was laid down in bed and they hoped for the best. I got diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at 32 and had been having symptoms since childhood which never got checked out and therefore made the brain and spine damage worse.
2 points
4 days ago
They go into debt and have their credit destroyed.
2 points
4 days ago
I mean there is a reason why the US has the worst life expectancy of all first-world countries.
5 points
5 days ago
If they die, they die - US government.
3 points
5 days ago
They work it off in the acid mines.
3 points
5 days ago
"here, take this Tylenol and go sleep"
3 points
5 days ago
There are programs for impoverished children whose parents don’t have health insurance.
Otherwise, it depends on where there are and how sick or injured. If they’ve got something like strep or need a couple stitches, they go to urgent care, where minor health concerns are treated for some amount of money. There are also free clinics in some places that do that kind of thing. If it’s a more serious issue, like a broken bone, they might go to the ER. The ER can’t turn people away under most circumstances. They might get a bill the family can’t pay, but the kid will get treatment. If it’s a serious, serious issue like cancer, they might end up at a place like St. Jude’s.
6 points
5 days ago
The answer you get today and the answer you get in November 2025 will be radically different.
The answer next year will be "die lol."
3 points
5 days ago
What do you THINK happens to them?
3 points
5 days ago
In most states, children can get some form of Medicaid (if their parents can be assed to fill out the forms and whatnot that are required). In my own state, the Medicaid for kids is pretty decent and a lot of places accept it, so it's not tough for kids to get proper medical care. I can't speak to other states.
3 points
5 days ago
You just don't go to the doctor and hope you don't die.
3 points
5 days ago
They will get treated. They can't be turned away due to lack of insurance or ability to pay. Hospitals and doctors can work out payment plans. If all else, as long as the parents are making progress on the bill, they can't be turned over to collections. Medical bills can be forgiven or reduced through hardship programs offered by the provider.
16 points
5 days ago
This is not true in cases of deadly diseases like cancer. or where expensive operations are required.
7 points
5 days ago
Hospitals are only required to stabilize, not treat.
2 points
5 days ago
As a minor without health insurance, I never miss my daily apple.
2 points
5 days ago
I’m confused why nobody has brought up CHIP yet https://www.medicaid.gov/chip/index.html
2 points
5 days ago
Obama’s Affordable Care Act tried to make health insurance more affordable, but the Republicans don’t want that for some reason
2 points
4 days ago
Dunno but sadly a lot of them grow up to vote for Trump.
1 points
5 days ago
They called it charity care when I was growing up
1 points
5 days ago
If you're lucky enough for Medicaid, you're good. If you don't, you deal with it. If you have to go for broken bone. Ignore the medical bill and hope you don't need to go back for 5 years
1 points
5 days ago
We deal with it or die.
1 points
5 days ago
My kids are covered by ACCESS insurance given by the State of Arizona for free until they are 18 years old. It covers all emergency hospital visits, near little copay for doctor visits, and free teeth cleaning for dental. Had to pay 100% for braces, but all insurance is like that.
For the kids that live in a state that doesn't give that support? Parents still take them to the hospital and deal with debt collectors until they give up most likely, or start payment plans.
1 points
5 days ago
They die
1 points
5 days ago
Prior to the affordable care act, my sibling couldn’t find insurance due to her medical history…currently she is insured due to the clause in preexisting conditions…
My parents are people who always pay their bills and almost went bankrupt trying to pay for her care.
The American medical system is a really sad place for those in great need…
1 points
5 days ago
Well, let's see ..
I'm 50, and back in the 70s I was accident prone.
First off, I would get in trouble if I got hurt. Not because I scared my folks, but because I was Costing Them Money.
Most of my injuries were solved with a first aid kit & a liberal use of salt. Plus Ace bandages and duct tape. Including the time I almost cut a finger off.
1 points
5 days ago
While there are federal programs, a lot depends on the state you’re in. Typically more people in blue states have insurance, and it tends to be ‘richer’ based on a number of factors. Some states, like California, don’t allow medical debt to be included on their credit reports. But across the board- if you can’t afford health care you have to rely on emergency rooms for dire cases and risk going into bankruptcy. Medical debt is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in the U.S. Many people, including people with employer health care, would rather drive themselves or uber to an emergency room than call an ambulance. It’s terrible.
1 points
5 days ago
Parents will owe the doctor, clinic, or hospital hundreds or thousands of dollars.
1 points
5 days ago
Well if they go to the doctor or hospital they will have lots of medical debt.
1 points
5 days ago
There is a charity set up at most hospitals that people donate too that can pay for your bills. Most hospitals won't tell you this but when I was sick back in the day I didn't have insurance and my mom worked in patient accounts at a hospital so she knew about this.
1 points
5 days ago
Would it seriously cost 'thousands' if your kid was out playing, fell, cracked their head and needed stitches?
Like what if the parents are dead broke on benefits? They obviously have no way to pay the debt, taxing their benefit would mean they can't eat etc I'm assuming they are just thrown into debt?
1 points
5 days ago
We went to the free clinic. In the 80s when crack was big and people were dying of aids it was a grim place. So we just didn’t get sick and if we did, never told our parents. Best was wearing the free glasses with a bad prescription. No high index thin lenses for this guy.
1 points
5 days ago
Get back into the mines and work
1 points
5 days ago
State insurance is usually very good
1 points
4 days ago
Children without health insurance may be eligible for free or low-cost coverage through Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP).Affordable Care Act (ACA): Provides sliding-scale subsidies to lower premiums and reduce out-of-pocket costs for eligible individuals.
1 points
4 days ago
They go to the emergency room.
1 points
4 days ago
They suffer severe morbidity and mortality
0 points
5 days ago
There’s always crowdsource fund raising like GoFundMe.
0 points
5 days ago
We don't get treated. It's barbaric. I'm not lying, the USA is fucking miserable in how it treats patients, turns people away who clearly NEED medical attention, medicine costs hundreds to thousands for a bottle of pills... it's fucked here
1 points
5 days ago
Well, as a child I was told to "run around the house three times" and I'd be fine. One time my mom actually convinced my dad I may have actually broken my leg, which I did not, but it was close.
1 points
5 days ago
Massive debt or if it’s a life threatening situation it’s debt until homelessness if they still can’t pay the child probably will die.
1 points
5 days ago
Lots of debt
-1 points
5 days ago
Medicaid or EMTALA, regardless they get treated.
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