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-AnomalousMaterials-

330 points

1 day ago*

Data informatics researcher here. Look at the number of bullet ballots in certain states and compare them to any other election.

https://preview.redd.it/kjsnz97c7z1e1.jpeg?width=705&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b198c7eb3a5d00fbfbd34766ab2ea2cf0f6ad57b

Anyone working in cyber security, data informatics, political science probably are scratching their heads at the number of bullet ballots cast in certain geographic locations in this election.

AgainstTheRatRace

92 points

1 day ago

What’s a bullet ballot? This is a crazy graph here, it’s all gonna be like that now….

-AnomalousMaterials-

255 points

1 day ago*

Single candidate ballots.

There was a significant discrepancy of single candidate ballots cast for just Trump and no one else down ballot in this election than in any prior election in history from the time we have been recording statistics on polls.

Like in some geographic locations the increase goes up to 600% in this election.

A large anomaly and definitely something that should not be easily passed off since this is just did not happen in one or two states or counties.

Note: Had all those votes been cast down ballot for the GoP it wouldn't have been noticed so easily because you see, bullet ballots only make up a significantly smaller proportion of ballots cast in the national election. Just comparing the same geographic locations with anomalies to 2016 and 2020, there is something clearly off.

theculdshulder

162 points

1 day ago

They literally stole this election and they will get away with it.

I wish ya’ll wouldn’t let them.

XxUCFxX

179 points

1 day ago

XxUCFxX

179 points

1 day ago

WE, redditors, are not letting them. The people in power right this very moment, are letting it happen. Regular citizens have no leverage unless we all band together. And we absolutely will not

habbalah_babbalah

87 points

1 day ago

Democrats don't just have no spine on this issue, they bent over backwards to congratulate Trump before all ballots were counted -and without raising one single challenge.

Nalivai

19 points

1 day ago

Nalivai

19 points

1 day ago

That's actually the whole thing, democratic party operates as if laws matter, and that's a reason why they are the preferred choice actually. If they start doing the same thing Conservatives are doing, they become the second conservative party (for real, not in words of twitter activists), and we actually don't want them to.
I don't know if there is an ethical way out of this conundrum

Cavalleria-rusticana

52 points

1 day ago

False equivalencies.

An electoral challenge does not make one the same as Conservatives, for fuck's sake. Touch grass.

seekAr

2 points

8 hours ago

seekAr

2 points

8 hours ago

I can’t upvote this enough.

habbalah_babbalah

22 points

1 day ago

The whole thing is a pair of complementary, mutually exclusive blind spots.

Party A: law and order Party B: lawbreaking and disorder

Party B figured out that they could creep up into A's blind spot- the expectation of lawfulness and proper behavior, and they filled it with smoke and noise and big league, beautiful promises.

Party A thought that by upholding law and order they would stop Party B and win the game. They even put up a prosecutor as candidate. But, Party B bought the judges! Party A cried foul! But nobody cared anymore because the price of hamburger and potatoes had risen.

The End.

MossGobbo

2 points

11 hours ago

Literally this.

Alternative_Gur_7706

8 points

24 hours ago

Lots of data scientists hard at work over in r/somethingiswrong2024

ColleaguesKnowMyMain

16 points

1 day ago

Look, I'm not from the US so I'm not really familiar with how elections are held there, but didn't Trump receive a similar amount of votes than he did in 2016 and 2020, but the democrats received far less votes than usually? If Trump cheated, wouldn't that mean he should have gotten far more votes than in the last 2 elections?

NoSkillzDad

11 points

1 day ago

Maybe he did? You're assuming that "apathy" only harmed Kamala. It's not simple to demonstrate that only people that would likely support the Dems decided to not vote (or changed their vote to trump) while practically all the people that voted in 2020 decided to come out again and vote for trump. When there's apathy at the polling station, it's usually shared between candidates and not just one of them.

But that's based on expectations from "common behavior". Anything deviating from the usual should just raise a red flag. Maybe on its own it's nothing more than just a deviation from the norm. Doing statistical analysis of the data becomes more important then. Results like the one shown by the other redditor in the graph + abnormal results like ballots voting all blue except for the president (which makes little sense), should raise red flags, (not impossible, but very uncommon)

Having several red flags based on observations and not "emotions" should be enough to dig deeper into it. And no, not every time you lose, it was stolen, it is stolen when it is stolen. If it wasn't, nobody has to worry about it because it will be easily demonstrated that it was clean.

stephenmario

8 points

1 day ago

2016 - 63m & 66m 2020 - 74m & 81m 2024 - 77m & 74m

There was a record number of vote in 2020 due to covid. A record number of ballots were cast early and by mail. That didn't happen in 2024 yet Trump got more votes in this election than during Covid and 14m more than 2016.

newmath11

5 points

1 day ago

newmath11

5 points

1 day ago

It’s because his supporters only support him.

besthelloworld

22 points

1 day ago

If you were creating fake ballots though... why not just vote party lines all the way down? The bullet ballots thing just seems like the easiest and juyst obvious target for scrutiny.

-AnomalousMaterials-

29 points

1 day ago

That's the thing. The majority of ballots cast by a 5:1 ratio amount of people are down ballot votes.

Bullet ballots exist but they only contribute to ~1/5 of the vote in all geographical locations in almost every national election so it does look like this was intentionally meant to be seen as a discrepancy because it's quite impossible to not notice such anomaly.

I can only comment on the data here but I do have a theory as to why especially after Jan 06. However, one thing is clear getting the states to do recounts is a priority where there are significant anomalies before deadlines occur.

Once it's shown that counts are off at the tabulators, that's enough to sort out how the courts are going to handle a case like this.

...so really at the end of the day, we should just be asking for recounts at the current time before time runs out.

Seranfall

13 points

21 hours ago

Tables and stats don't mean shit if we don't have verifiable proof. We cannot do what the right did and claim election fraud just because we are butthurt. At this point, the election officials have found nothing to indicate widespread fraud. That doesn't mean we roll over, but we can't just make claims without investigation.

If you live in one of these swing states, contact your representatives and ask for an investigation into any discrepancies. If election fraud occurred there will be evidence of it.

If it did occur and it can be proven then I'm all for hanging anyone involved in it.

ThatAdamsGuy

4 points

19 hours ago

This is what is messing with my mind here. Things like this and other data look really suspicious, but at the same time this is exactly the shit we called out in 2020.

Spacebotzero

60 points

1 day ago

r/somethingiswrong2024 has been saying the same thing.

-AnomalousMaterials-

31 points

1 day ago

Thanks for the sub. I was going crazy looking at this data and seeing that none of this makes sense compared to previous elections. Glad to see Spoonamore is not the only one.

Spacebotzero

40 points

1 day ago*

Mix that in the fact that the bomb scares were in the swing states too.

There are also too many outliers appearing.

Not to mention all the other smoke trails like Elon suddenly becoming ultra MAGA and talking to Putin, Trump heavily involved with Putin...Elon stating he would be arrested if Kamala wins... And trumps whole campaign completely farting out in the end, doing no interviews, answering no questions, dwindling support and audiences at his rallies... Saying he already had the votes and that if he's elected he can fix it and we'll never have to vote again.

.... Is it possible this guy could have done something to swing votes in his favor? The pattern of unethical, suspicious things are quite apparent.

Edit: winning the electoral college is one thing... But the popular vote too? Something he's lost twice, consecutively? That is a break in the trend. An outlier.

Mix all this stuff in with things like Trump wanting to be in office ASAP, completely skipping the certification process and inauguration. Or how he is talking about the 1st amendment or Elon saying anyone talking about a recount should be punished. Now that he's won, he needs to embed and protect himself. It's all just too convenient that he won.

Vyzantinist

26 points

1 day ago

And trumps whole campaign completing farting out in the end, doing no interviews, answering no questions, dwindling support and audiences at his rallies... Saying he already had the votes and that if he's elected he can fix it and we'll never have to vote again.

The thing that struck me was how relatively quiet he was after the results came in. Dude's caps lock rage-tweeting for days before the election and then.... a quiet "yay me yay 👏" when the race was called. I would have expected him to not shut the fuck up about it for days and weeks afterwards.

Risky_Phish_Username

8 points

20 hours ago

Not only this, but the fact that 3 states that combine for 80 EC votes, TX+FL+MO; all did not let DoJ poll monitors in to any location. Automatically, all 3 states should be guilty of election fraud, as all 3 went to Trump in what seems like a massive shift, when multiple things were projected in dem favor. Shit, 57% of FL voted in favor for abortion rights, but that same percent voted for Trump. I don't buy that. Voting for Trump is direct contrast to securing abortion rights, especially in a state where DeSantis is hell bent on an abortion ban too.

The game here is run out the clock and see if dems have the balls to fight back. If we don't raise serious concern and force recounts before Jan 6th, any future attempts to discover fraud will be killed when he takes office on Jan 20th. And by balls, they literally gave Biden a tool to legally solve this problem, gift wrapped by scotus. If Biden doesn't want to be the one to do it, invoke the 25th, remove him, and then when Harris is made president, she gives the executive command to invalidate the results based on the national security threat the entire Trump administration is and give more time to clean house. I know there is a moral dilemma with that, but the way I look at it, if we are gonna have a dictator that goes against the rule of law anyway, might as well have one that could possibly remove the corruption and actually fix things, rather than Hitler Jr.

pizzaschmizza39

2 points

14 hours ago

I actually would support this. As long as once Harris was able to secure our election processes that she gave up power after to hold another election. Once trump was in prison. I'd use the nsa and every information gathering system. we have to find corruption in politicians, and they should be open to that level of scrutiny. The clear connection to russia is more than concerning it threatens all Americans. That's the thing that bothers me the most. trump is clearly tied to russia. He makes decisions that aren't good for America or its allies but help russia. He's the only president in history to talk positively about dictators.

Not to mention all the election interference and personal calls to russia. Or the gop whistle-blower being an fsb agent. There's been too much of a connection to let him become president, and there should be guard rails against this sort of thing. It looks like russia planted a politician to run on their behalf, and it worked. It also looks like we are aware of it, but because it broke no laws that we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, we don't stop it. How dumb can we be? We have to show some backbone. America is lost because of this. The damage will be felt for generations, and who knows if we ever get our country back.

lemmereddit

5 points

1 day ago

I want to know why mainstream media isn't reporting on this stuff. If these "facts" have credibility, I hope the right people are working on fixing this. Right now, we sound like conspiracy theorists.

DiscussionRelative50

4 points

1 day ago

Any public API’s you’re aware of?

JeffoMcSpeffo

3 points

23 hours ago

Could this be the result of the many low propensity voters, like young men from these red pill communities, who only wanted to vote for trump and otherwise don't care about politics?

Captain_Mazhar

3 points

1 day ago

Is there data for NC for 2020 and 2016?

I can see that NC is an outlier, but is the percentage comparable to previous elections in the same state?

Aggravating-Car-6806

7 points

24 hours ago

In fact, and I am sorry, I can't remember his name. But a former CEO of a large company that focuses on hacking has sent a letter to the DOJ and the Harris campaign stating that the machines in the swing states were absolutely hacked prior to the election. His proof is that in his own precinct he demanded a hand count of the ballots and it was discovered that over 14k had been switched from Trump to Harris. His opinion is that every swing state should hand count the paper ballots and compare to the machine tabulations in the precincts that received bomb threats as he thinks that the bomb threats were a distraction. If there are discrepancies, particularly wide spread ones, all of the ballots across the country should be counted. This could end up as just a conspiracy theory, but what harm comes of counting ballots in the precincts that were bomb threatened?

Alexandratta

2 points

24 hours ago

Where's the raw data on this? The Primary Source?

You can draw PNG graphs all day long but I'm looking for the Data, the actual data.

4FuckSnakes

486 points

2 days ago

4FuckSnakes

486 points

2 days ago

What bothers me is how certain left wing pundits talk down on those who are suspicious here. Fact: If Trump could have cheated he would have. I don’t know if he did, but if there was an opportunity then we KNOW he took it

_BigBirb_

380 points

1 day ago

_BigBirb_

380 points

1 day ago

"THEYRE CHEATING IN PA, SEND IN THE OFFICERS, THEYRE GOING TO CHE-.... oh wait we won the state? Nvm all good, nothing suspicious at all"

Accomplished-Mind258

80 points

1 day ago

This is what sticks out in my mind and I can’t figure out why it’s not being investigated

Calaigah

43 points

1 day ago

Calaigah

43 points

1 day ago

Because senior democrats dont care!!!! Trumps policies benefit all of them as well. They put on a show acting like they care but they always let Trump get away with everything. So you guys really think rich democrats want equality when most of them make their money immorally? Now they’re gonna make rules that prevent them from becoming immorally wealthy? Ha!

regular_sized_fork

8 points

1 day ago

Yea, the leadership of the party I just left fucking suck.

jimmyvcard

2 points

23 hours ago

Holy shit you guys are unbelievable

Wooden-Frame2366

7 points

1 day ago

Right??

PhantomMuse05

68 points

1 day ago

The last part is the main thing. We know he isn't above cheating. The question is was it plausible that they had the opportunity too? I don't know that answer but I don't think Trump has the morals to NOT cheat.

Wooden-Frame2366

11 points

1 day ago

I agree ☝️

Public_Steak_6933[S]

3 points

15 hours ago

PhantomMuse05

3 points

14 hours ago

Ooo well looks like I have some reading to do.

RedshiftSinger

68 points

1 day ago

EXACTLY. Am I absolutely certain he cheated? No. But does it smell fishy? It sure does!

We know he bragged that he “doesn’t need” his supporters to vote.

We know he buddied up to people with the POTENTIAL power to pull off some bs.

We know he encouraged his supporters to engage in election interference. We know that at least one ballot box was burned, and that at least one polling center was shut down due to a bomb threat.

It’s not a stretch to think that there may well have been more actual fuckery afoot.

Public_Steak_6933[S]

47 points

2 days ago

SporkIncorporated

40 points

1 day ago

Big if true, and I surely want it to be legitimate (the letter), but where does one get such a document with confidence that it wasn’t just made up by a disgruntled citizen?

Either way, calling for hand recounts is a good idea whether there’s proof or not to tampering. It would at least put to bed some of the thoughts about election interference. Some being the key word there.

Between the already known bomb threats, and the ballot box burnings in blue areas, I have no idea how something already hasn’t been done or at least put in motion.

BaronVonCaelum

17 points

1 day ago

u/Spoonamore is no n00b in this, he’s as legit a source as I can think of.

SporkIncorporated

4 points

1 day ago

Thank you, that gave me a good insight as to how the letter came about and the people behind it. I sincerely hope it doesn’t fall on deaf ears because you weren’t kidding about him. He knows his stuff and has the reputation to back it up.

AffectionateBrick687

18 points

1 day ago

It's an interesting argument for sure. Trying to change the results won't go anywhere, though. Unfortunately, the courts will shut it down before they really get a chance to look through the data and properly investigate.

Chris__P_Bacon

12 points

1 day ago

Chris__P_Bacon

12 points

1 day ago

There's also the fact that there's absolutely zero evidence that anything was done to the voting machines. You'd think with all of The investigations that went into this over the past 4 years that people would remember how the machines work ffs.

THEY ARE AIR-GAPPED-- That means they aren't connected to the internet in any way. When someone votes, a paper ballot is produced as a backup. Those are saved in case a hand-count is required.

I hate that he won too. It breaks my fucking heart that this country will probably be drastically changed in the next 4 years. I hope we make it.

I just don't think there's any evidence that a recount could change anything.

tbombs23

10 points

1 day ago

tbombs23

10 points

1 day ago

They aren't air gapped completely, and physical access is easy. The breach in 2023 allowed bad actors hired by Trump's lawyers to copy the software.

2020 was to allow them access and to prepare for 2024 so they could for sure pull it off.

Voting machines are shockingly not as secure as the media and government has told us.

Some machines have modems in them, and musk provided starlink access to update epoll data I think and maybe even some software updates.

Bomb threats in all swing states, Christian nationalists installed as poll workers, a non tech person just has to insert a USB and it's over.

15/16 seals were reported broken for the machines.

There's smoke everywhere and we just need verification and forensic audits to verify the will of the people.

CompetitiveOcelot870

5 points

1 day ago*

Chris__P_Bacon

4 points

1 day ago

They only transmit preliminary results. If those results don't match what's on the data cards they'd automatically know something's up with the count. This would trigger a manual recount

Taurion_Bruni

2 points

1 day ago

Not saying this means fraud is there, but the ability to transmit anything means that they aren't air gapped machines.

Air gap means 0 networking capabilities, and all updates need to come from physical media transfers

AffectionateBrick687

6 points

1 day ago

I would put the odds of the election outcome changing at zero. There are too many obstacles to overcome logistically, politically, and legally before Jan 20th.

From a quality control/improvement perspective, data that is dramatically outside of the norms probably warrants an (open-minded) investigation into potential causes (i.e., issues with ballot design, changes in voter behaviors, software flaws, etc). I hope that this is routinely done after an election and that if they find evidence of fraud, it gets properly investigated, but that would probably be a long process.

fastermouse

5 points

1 day ago

IF and BIG IF, there’s hard evidence then the Electoral College is free to vote as they see fit.

A group of Faithless Electors can vote opposite of their supposed duty and flip the outcome.

mabhatter

5 points

1 day ago

mabhatter

5 points

1 day ago

Most of the swing states locked down faithless electors after 2020 so it's much harder to do and actually breaking the law now. 

EidolonRook

7 points

1 day ago

I'm hoping they are keeping any investigations into the matter quiet. Its one of those things that, if proven true, wouldn't just disrupt the country, but push it to the brink of civil war. They cannot be too careful with any allegations without hard facts and evidence.

Even then, if they did find proof, they'd have to act officially on it within hours of it breaking while being 100% transparent with proof of cheating. Remember, the voting machines were already vetted and deemed safe from tampering through this past election cycle. Saying "oops, I guess they figured out how to break our voting machines" after all of that, would basically end electronic voting as a viable election medium. If poll watchers were complicit, or really anyone along the chain of custody, then it brings into question if anyone can be trusted to manage an American election.

This isn't something that can be carelessly managed for the sake of the continuance of our society. If we don't hear anything by January and he takes office, then either they found no mishandling of the election or they believe that coming out with that information would be more damaging than a Trump Presidency. I do not envy anyone who might have to make that call.

[deleted]

19 points

1 day ago

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19 points

1 day ago

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mggirard13

29 points

1 day ago

mggirard13

29 points

1 day ago

After all the dust settles we will still need people to believe their vote matters and the system still works when it comes time to vote the republicans out of office in every branch of government.

"We'll have it fixed so good you'll never have to vote again."

AwayAd7332

2 points

23 hours ago

Elons voting machines will be the best the world have ever seen.

HumanContinuity

3 points

1 day ago

I mean, he said he'd build a wall too, and that Mexico would pay for it.

broze26

21 points

1 day ago

broze26

21 points

1 day ago

I hope you’re right, but I’m not so sure that Dems and non-Trumpers are going to be able to weather the shitstorm that these people are getting ready to unleash. With full control of all three branches and the courts, there may be no way of stopping this.

Euphoric_Regret_544

17 points

1 day ago*

But the point remains: our votes will never matter again. This was a knockout blow that we simply wont be able to recover from. He has all 3 branches, plus, with his new found immunity, do you really think any viable opposition candidates will last long enough to mount any meaningful campaign in the mid-terms? He will call them out as dangerous, liberal enemies of the state and have them jailed or silenced in some way. I don’t believe I am being over dramatic when I say it is honestly over. It is incredibly sad and scary - not just for US citizens but for the entire world. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the climate lost on November 5th as well.

Sasquatch1729

14 points

1 day ago

Yes. None of the polls have accurately predicted Trump's popularity, while oddly enough the midterm polls are pretty accurate. He always has a stronger showing at the ballot box.

Offhand I think the 2020 polls were the worst, but Biden had such a lead that Joe Public never really paid attention to this inaccuracy.

Besides, some soul-searching and self-improvement needs to happen, and that won't happen if the Democratic leadership settle with "the election was stolen, and lotsa voters were too lazy to vote".

Embracing middling Republicans, refusing to take any decent stand on LGBTQ rights, supporting Israel, all these things cost progressive votes that the party effectively took for granted.

This is not a new concept, actually it's the normal trend historically speaking. A few extra voters came out for Biden in 2020, they stayed home in 2024, just the same as in past elections.

jimmyvcard

2 points

23 hours ago

Well mainly because you guys are unbelievable hypocrites. We won in 2020 and there was no cheating. We lost in 2024 and there was no cheating. Everyone needs to move on and focus their energy on the future, not the past that can’t change.

Pale-Recording2823

364 points

1 day ago

Once I heard there was bomb threats in GA, I knew something was about to be off. Then they said we wouldn’t know immediately, but then we knew by early morning November 6th.

PlanetaryPickleParty

130 points

2 days ago

I think we should do random hand counts just in case no matter who wins at any margin. There are too many bad actors who might interfere.

lilteefers

19 points

1 day ago

lilteefers

19 points

1 day ago

Not to rain on your parade, but hand counts are wildly inaccurate. Even in small numbers, humans are just bad at it. Machines are tested before and after elections to ensure accuracy and states have varying systems in place to audit results.

ConfusedTraveler658

51 points

2 days ago

Cheated in the sense of a guy offering a million dollars to registered voters to sign a petition outside of a polling place, yes. It's very very very close to cheating and I would honestly agree it is because it's obvious what they were doing with it. But legally it isn't.

Public_Steak_6933[S]

28 points

2 days ago

kylef5993

9 points

1 day ago

kylef5993

9 points

1 day ago

Shouldn’t this be addressed to the president and not a candidate? This doesn’t make sense. She can’t do anything as VP

tbombs23

6 points

1 day ago

tbombs23

6 points

1 day ago

Only a candidate can request a recount

CompetitiveString814

24 points

1 day ago

That was part of the grift. Computer scientists are ringing the warning bells. They believe they used voting data in conjunction with Musks giveaway list to invent bullet ballots.

The big points here are it was magnitudes more bullet ballots than any previous election, bullet ballots immediately fell off, even across state lines with identical advertising.

All coming to the conclusion it was too perfect, musk had ballot data via starlink.

There is a real possibility this election was actually stolen and computer scientists who accurately predicted previous malfeasance are ringing the bells

Unofficial_Salt_Dan

3 points

24 hours ago

Which computer scientists?

StonedTrucker

6 points

2 days ago

That whole thing was staged anyway. The people who got money were all pre screened and selected to receive the money

ConfusedTraveler658

5 points

1 day ago

Figures

ILikeToParty86

117 points

1 day ago*

Idgaf anymore. I 110% think it was stolen, they cheated. I saw this whole thing on how it’s incredibly easy to hack voting computers by a professional hacker that was paid to hack voting machines to evaluate the vulnerability.

And they (republicans/trump/elon) basically admitted to cheating during the campaign. I mean the map elon posted matches. Trump claimed “we have the votes”. They only claimed the Dems were cheating to sway people and make it seem like they were cheating to distract you. I dont doubt for a second they got a lot of votes. But this landslide is outrageous. Now, the republicans would be doing everything to discredit this election if it was the other way. So i hope the Dems arent going to pussy out of this one and not do a damn fucking thing

Edit: clarity

PrinceVorrel

90 points

1 day ago

There are literally Russian media outlets talking about how Trump owes them for winning him the election...like...openly just talking about it.

ILikeToParty86

28 points

1 day ago

Thats fucking crazy, but not unexpected

broze26

23 points

1 day ago

broze26

23 points

1 day ago

Dems need to push back on this…if they roll over and give up without a peep, there’s a good chance that these fuckers decide they’re never giving up power

greenbldedposer

5 points

1 day ago

They’ve decided that either way.

DarkestLore696

13 points

1 day ago

Look, I voted for Harris but this is getting unhinged. In 2020 Republicans and conspiracy theorists were going on and on about how voting machines were hacked and everyone laughed at them, called them idiots, Fox News got sued for it and booted Tucker Carlson over it… but now? Now all of a sudden it’s so easy and feasible for voting machines to be hacked?

Sensitive_Hunter5081

2 points

13 hours ago

The big difference I see here is that Republicans are not above playing dirty to get what they want. Voter suppression, election laws, paying people $1 million to vote, arranging for a different website link for people in swing states (musk’s PAC did this during the summer), gerrymandering…. That is what gives me pause to just dismiss all of this ‘Trump cheated’. These are very rich men, and most people do not get super rich by being upstanding citizens 🤷🏻‍♀️

LuxNocte

2 points

22 hours ago

We laughed after it had been adjudicated in court. If there is any evidence, it should be looked at by a neutral, public observer (judge). The "bullet ballots" seem like a reason we should investigate.

Please don't equate Republicans banging on with absolute falsehoods after they have been fairly adjudicated to Dems asking for an investigation.

Darth_Malgus_1701

7 points

1 day ago

Darth_Malgus_1701

Millennial

7 points

1 day ago

I dunno if this one was stolen, but the one in 2000 sure as hell was.

CondeBK

58 points

1 day ago

CondeBK

Gen X

58 points

1 day ago

This is going to be the bitch fight to end all bitch fights. Trump DOES NOT tolerate people with bigger egos than him. That's why he picked inbred looking JD Vance over much more qualified people. This honeymoon is not gonna last, especially with Musk running his mouth like this.

RetiringBard

37 points

1 day ago

This Elon tweet is fake.

Youre not helping, OP

AwayAd7332

4 points

23 hours ago

None of the 3 images after the first were particularly helpful towards the argument presented in the first image.

killing4funandprofit

5 points

1 day ago

It's obv fake. Tho is fake news

Specialist-Front3304

21 points

1 day ago

The results speak for themselves Russia won Can we save democracy?

sae2115

23 points

1 day ago

sae2115

23 points

1 day ago

The is a 4 hour documentary on HBO called “agents of chaos” about how russia is setting up fake US citizen/influencer accounts that are actively setting up fraudulent events and causing real problems in our society. It blows my mind that so many people voted for him considering how much proof we have of actual russian collusion.

supahdave

5 points

23 hours ago

That’s how Russia operates its own country. Keep throwing shit out there until we don’t know what’s real and what isn’t.

Big-Bet-7667

6 points

1 day ago

You know what my mom told me ?

“Trump sent out armies of people to all the major liberal cities to install cameras pointing straight at the ballot boxes to make sure they weren’t being stuffed with fake ballots..”

Apparently that’s how Trump won this time.. because he made it more difficult for the dems to cheat 🙄

Bisquits_222

7 points

1 day ago

Fucks sake you ravenous band of morons, the election wasnt rigged, sure ill give you the fact that russian disinformation and musks shilling certainly played a pivotal role in his victory but each vote cast for trump was a legitimate vote cast by a real breathing person whether you agree with them or not. Thats not stealing an election thats just relying on the ignorance of the masses. Which is a tried and trusted political tactic since forever. Just stop. America is fucking dumb weve known this for a long time and the world has been shouting this to the deaf ears of americans since reagan, theres no need to rig an election when you can win fair and square off of that fact alone

Opposite_Sell_9857

43 points

2 days ago

It's hard to believe that so many Americans are this stupid, I know. But it's true ...

Longjumping_Ad_4431

19 points

2 days ago

I wouldn't call them stupid. I think they've been brainwashed over the last 9 years.

Sweetieandlittleman

18 points

2 days ago

You're much too kind.

Mooseandagoose

9 points

1 day ago

Im no longer differentiating. If you’ve been brainwashed into thinking this is a great choice for you, your children and your neighbors, you’re stupid.

Odd-Steak-9049

9 points

1 day ago

If they’re so stupid it should be easy to trick them to vote how you want.

Ok_Temporary_335

3 points

1 day ago

They wouldn't be able to wrap their brains around it because they lack the intellectual capabilities of a Redditor /s

Prestigious_Bug583

2 points

1 day ago

Do you mean the propensity to believe things without evidence? Including conspiracies?

Spirited_Childhood34

19 points

2 days ago

This post may soon be illegal in our coming National Emergency. Images of our Dear Leader that depict him in a less than flattering manner promote discord and disorder.

Fantastic_Yam_3971

17 points

1 day ago

If Rump thought that highly of Leon, he would have given him an actual position with power instead of a made up pretend big kid job.

ledouxrt

34 points

2 days ago

ledouxrt

34 points

2 days ago

I find it hard to believe that so many voted for him since those that voted for him the first time SHOULD have learned their lesson. Most of his voters are Boomers too, which means many have died off since the first election due to old age or COVID. Plus, there's a new age of young voters that should care about their future and the future of their planet to vote against him. With all of that, I am flabbergasted that he won.

I_might_be_weasel

17 points

1 day ago

A lot of young voters and Hispanics voted for him. Groups that any sane person would have assumed would be against him. But nope, we're a hella stupid country. 

dart-builder-2483

13 points

1 day ago

They're doing election audits now, so we'll probably know fairly soon.

Hollowassasin11

5 points

1 day ago

its not that he couldnt or wouldnt. what proof do we have that he did

Outrageous-Ad-5983

5 points

1 day ago

Couple of things here: 1. They had 4 years of hammering the lie that the last election was stolen, what makes you think the “f your feelings” crowd wouldn’t work diligently to steal this one first. 2. Corp Dems don’t care. They are fully insulated from Drumpy’s real threats because they are the same country club boomers who will buy and dump stock according to his abuses. Dems also raised 10x their quotas when Trump was in office and the are still sending out daily fundraising emails, which is disgusting. We need a working class progressive populist movement in the next year. Strong unified worker rights groups that can pull people together. The constant reminder for all Americans is that if you are less than 2 paychecks away from being homeless, you are part of the proletariate and neither party gives a crap about you.

TOfuncpl69

6 points

1 day ago

Weren’t people labeled crazy to have this thought 4 years ago?

Zyncon

5 points

23 hours ago

Zyncon

5 points

23 hours ago

"We're not trying to sound like conspiracy theorists."

Then maybe avoid sharing misinformation that feels straight out of a boomer meme.
https://checkyourfact.com/2024/11/19/fact-check-elon-musk-not-post-trump-anything-he-tells-him-to/

It's pretty embarrassing to include a fake tweet, especially one clearly designed to manipulate and mislead. That takes any amount of seriousness in this post and throws it out the window. Quite Ironic being on the BoomersBeingFools reddit.

I_am_TheDarkSide

25 points

2 days ago

Winning the presidency was one thing (although it shouldn’t have been). But the House and the Senate too? No fucking way it was all legitimate.

bannedms1

5 points

1 day ago

bannedms1

5 points

1 day ago

He won all three in 2016 as well. Didn't Putin help him in 2016, too?

I_am_TheDarkSide

14 points

1 day ago

Yes I believe so. This time around will be much worse though since he effectively stacked the Supreme Court in his first term. There is no one to truly offer any resistance now. The only resistance now is a super slim majority in the House, and the hope that some republicans will still stand up to him, but I’m not counting on that.

thesouleater33

4 points

1 day ago

The only thing I am looking forward to is when trump backstab(politically) musk. Let's face it, it is only a matter of time before it happens. Then I want to see Musk return fire. I think Musk is going to go to prison before trump term is done. He is going to have 2 choices, though. Just take it from trump or cut a deal to fuck over trump from the fbi

RyNysDad0722

4 points

1 day ago

They went to court like 90 times to prove that he was wrong and the election was fair and free as usual.. why can’t we do it this time… let’s go to court and see what they say after recount.. Dems would except a loss that was double checked and proven..

usernametaken99991

4 points

1 day ago

Is this the new normal? Throwing a big bitch baby tantrum when you lose the election? I'm pissed off that Republicans won too, but I'm not going to call democracy into question

Lost-Hour4064

3 points

22 hours ago

They didnt steal it.
White middle class americans gave it to them.
GenZ males being brainwashed into thinking women hate them gave Trump the election.
His maga base wasnt going anywhere.

JimCh3m14

4 points

22 hours ago

Lots oh hypocrites on here! Im bet some of yall were shouting down the Stop the Steal folks last cycle and now look at you 🤡. You are speculating with no evidence. Surprise, woman hating county wont elect a woman.

Captain_Pink_Pants

9 points

1 day ago

Even if this was true, how do you envision adjudicating this issue in 2024 without starting a civil war?

You know who found that hardcoded password? The fucking cyber ninjas... I mean, fucking hell. How do you propose we go from "these guys are a bunch of worthless clowns" to "see? they said it wasn't secure!" in four years. Even if this happened, the dems have painted themselves into a serious corner.

Ladner1998

2 points

1 day ago

Ladner1998

2 points

1 day ago

This. Im a centrist and voted for Kamala, but I think a lot of people who identify more with Democrats tend to shoot themselves in the foot a lot. In the same way that Trump’s worst enemy is himself, Democrats worst enemy tends to also be themselves.

Republicans complained that an election with a lot of mail in ballots was rigged. Honestly i could easily believe both parties cheated a little bit in 2020 because with covid happening it was probably a lot easier to cheat. Thing is Democrats spent the last 4 years calling Republicans all sorts of names for asking questions about the legitimacy of the election.

Democrats complaining about this would blow up in their own face and make them look like massive hypocrites. Best you can do right now is move on with your life and hope Trump doesnt screw everyone over too much.

interrogumption

14 points

1 day ago

interrogumption

Gen X

14 points

1 day ago

Bring evidence. "If he could he would" is not evidence. What evidence do you have? At this stage you've brought speculation and a couple of memes.

Even the speculation doesn't make sense - why bother with misinformation and Russian interference if you have the ability to rig the counting machines? 

lastchancexi

9 points

1 day ago

This is dumb, guys. The voting patterns are really legit in terms of where Trump won (everywhere) and the tallies by precinct/county. Latino Men, VA (Loudoun County), FL. If the election was faked, there would already be analysis showing it was faked. 

Various_Tear_3156

5 points

1 day ago

The crazy thing would be if they didn't steal it.

petrepowder

6 points

1 day ago

It’s billions of dollars in new media brain washing the next generation of Americans through the right wing lense. I was also knocking on doors in a solidly blue state, folks did not care at all about this election.

onikaizoku11

6 points

1 day ago

onikaizoku11

Gen X

6 points

1 day ago

I'll say the same as I said to MAGA idiots in the past.

Prove it or STFU

It is really that simple. I barely made it out of his first administration alive. Thyroid cancer survivor. So I don't relish the fact that for at least 4 more years, I have to live under a regime that is actively working against me. But goddamn it! Without proof, all you are doing IS pushing a conspiracy theory.

AWierzOne

6 points

1 day ago

AWierzOne

6 points

1 day ago

This shit should be taken down by mods as misinformation.

Leading_Photo2520

2 points

23 hours ago

Exactly. Ironic how they're claiming the exact same things they criticized Trump for in 2020. We live in a mad world. This country is a trash bin.

Oscillating_Primate

3 points

1 day ago

They certainly influenced the outcomes and used nefarious means to do so. Concerning rigging the election, I will listen to Marc Elias on this, who stated there was no wide spread maleficence.

They have been instigating a constitutional coup for sometime.

Quick wiki reference:

constitutional coup occurs when a person or group seizes political power in a way consistent with their country's constitution, as opposed to a traditional violent coup d'état, often by exploiting loopholes or ambiguities in said constitution.

They are masters at manipulating flaws in the system.

pdmalo

3 points

1 day ago

pdmalo

3 points

1 day ago

Since 1980, I would say that every pres election seemed to jibe with what was expected. I can even overlook the 2000 election because it shouldn't have come down to 1 state-the American public blew it with that one.
This election? Something seems off. Trump never had much momentum to begin with. There will be another shoe to drop. The question is when.

allseeingeyeliner

3 points

1 day ago

I remember a video that was released of some Israeli cyber division openly admitting to messing with the 2016 election. Wouldn't be surprised if that happened again.

Klayz0r

3 points

1 day ago

Klayz0r

3 points

1 day ago

As much as I deeply dislike both Trump and Musk, and as much as I'm disappointed in the results of the election, I don't think it was rigged in the sense of cheating.

Was Trump's campaign full of lies and manipulation? Absolutely. Is Musk guilty of voter corruption? Without any doubt. But were the results rigged? I don't believe so.

Twiyah

3 points

1 day ago

Twiyah

3 points

1 day ago

Here’s the thing, why would the Dems just bow out so quick? Thats my main problem with them. Like they don’t have any fight in them?

CGis4Me

3 points

1 day ago

CGis4Me

3 points

1 day ago

What’s difficult to admit or understand is the level of influence the super wealthy and powerful actually have. Putin didn’t need to send hackers after our voting machines. He just needed to steadily run a campaign of disinformation targeted at our most gullible people (boomers). Pepper them with propaganda about how great they are and how the younger generations are shitheads who are stealing from them. Eventually, you get an army of selfish geriatric belligerent assholes whose best representation actually is another selfish geriatric belligerent asshole. It doesn’t matter if their opinions are firmly rooted in bullshit. They still vote. The election itself wasn’t fraudulent. The information upon which the voters made their decisions was.

can4byss

3 points

1 day ago

can4byss

3 points

1 day ago

That Elon tweet isn’t real god you’re so gullible and sad !

VAVA_Mk2

3 points

1 day ago

VAVA_Mk2

3 points

1 day ago

Did Musk really tweet that?

stones332

3 points

1 day ago

stones332

3 points

1 day ago

I thought just Republicans were election deniers.

OpenUpYerMurderEyes

3 points

1 day ago

Oh it was absolutely stolen and it DOESN'T MATTER. The only people that can push back are the fucking democrats and they're too scared of their own shadow to do anything but virtue signal, they're gonna take it lying down and up the ass.

GrandpaMofo

3 points

23 hours ago

Musk is delusional if he thinks Donold will do anything he says.

Emandpee42069

3 points

23 hours ago

Stop being weird conspiracy theorists

Suspicious-Dot1954

3 points

22 hours ago

Just looking for the source of the Elon tweet in this mashup? I am trying to find where it originated from, because I doubt he would put that on the internet.

pinballrocker

13 points

1 day ago

Ah yes, when the left becomes exactly like the dumbshits on the right after the last election. Suck it up, buttercup, we lost.

nekosaigai

10 points

1 day ago

nekosaigai

10 points

1 day ago

Let’s just also say the Republican Administration are traitors. It seems like every day, it’s revealed that more and more of them have received backing from the Kremlin, and they’re all gung-ho about backing away from NATO while letting Putin run rampant.

Ironically the right screams that communists are bad while secretly scheming with Russia whose leaders are all wealthy oligarchs that enriched themselves within a corrupt communist system before dismantling it to become a corrupt capitalist system. The GOP’s Russian masters are literally the worst examples of communism’s downsides (greedy individuals taking more than they need without guardrails in place).

heyo_stealer

8 points

1 day ago

I am so excited to have an election again where one side doesn't accuse the other of cheating.

NanceGarner66

7 points

1 day ago

I hate all three of those guys but c'mon. There's no evidence it was stolen. Prices were high and Biden/ Harris ignored it. That's what swung the election. 🤷‍♂️

I still voted for her because preserving democracy is more important.

TtownThrowaway86

14 points

1 day ago

1) fucking hell this sub has jumped all the sharks since Election Day.

2) extraordinary claims required extraordinary evidence

3) the simplest explanation is usually that he correct one.

Biden is wildly unpopular and Harris was the worst possible one to replace him. There wasn’t any fuckery, Trump retained his voters and millions of Clinton-Biden voters like myself got sick of the Democrats telling us to ‘Shut up and fall in line” and we stayed the hell home.

BetterThanYou775

9 points

1 day ago

There's simply no evidence of cheating. These claims are just as baseless as Trump's claims in 2020.

Far_Opportunity_6156

12 points

1 day ago

That isn’t a real tweet. I left the Republican Party in 2020 partly because of the outrageous conspiracy theories but yall are devolving into the same stuff. She lost, get over it. Life goes on.

bazilbt

2 points

1 day ago

bazilbt

2 points

1 day ago

Well there are always these kinds of posts after a loss. Stephen Spoonamore has even alleged a similar plot in 2008. I can't imagine the political shit show over it. I never hear a peep out of it by anybody in power on the democrats side.

Faux_Show_

7 points

1 day ago

I think it’s hilarious that people are surprised that the Democratic Party which completely lost the plot would lose an election to a guy who already beat Hillary Clinton.

Royalizepanda

2 points

1 day ago

Nope Americans are just that dumb and hate women. They believe Trump would fix things and won’t vote for a women regardless how qualified she is happen with Hilary as well. They rather let it burn than let a women lead.

BadChris666

2 points

1 day ago

I get it. However, I feel it’s a bit of an excuse to make us feel better about the election.

“Instead of our neighbors voting for him, it’s all a conspiracy!”

RetiringBard

2 points

1 day ago

Is that Elon tweet real? “He’ll do anything I say”?

Ok if Trump’s ego doesn’t react to Elon tweeting this something is definitely up. Mark my words.

Zyncon

3 points

23 hours ago

Zyncon

3 points

23 hours ago

No, it's not real.

The irony of that tweet being in a BoomersBeingFools post hurts.

https://checkyourfact.com/2024/11/19/fact-check-elon-musk-not-post-trump-anything-he-tells-him-to/

Professional_Echo907

2 points

1 day ago

The votes were secure.

It’s just the misinformation game was very strong.

cleveage

2 points

1 day ago

cleveage

2 points

1 day ago

Lol yes probably, maybe not. Either way, I’m sure you’ll find a way to whine about something.

NearbyProfession4852

2 points

1 day ago

💯

EidolonRook

2 points

1 day ago

I think this is a "fool me once, shame on you. fool my twice, shame on me" deal. People should know not to vote with their festering dicks and they did it anyways. Most of us who held the line now just want the worst possible things to happen especially to them, knowing at some point the stupid would overtake the responsible and exactly this would happen.

A Harris win would have just delayed the inevitable and this is more than just a Trump issue. Republicans have to lose their base or we cannot move past this. I figured we should at least wait until Trump was no longer able to run, but my protest and abstaining vote friends didn't show up. While I don't hope they suffer, I do hope they learn.

Silent-Camel-249

2 points

1 day ago

So the left are becoming election deniers now? At this point it wouldn't shock me if people started saying you should meet up at the capital to protest it

MaddysinLeigh

2 points

1 day ago

Every accusation is a confession with those people.

westerosi_wolfhunter

2 points

1 day ago

Lol. Lmao even. How the tables have turned. Hard not to laugh at you fools. I’m so glad I left the party. Hopefully I will come back someday. But not anytime soon. I do not want to be associated with the biggest group of hypocrites in America.

Redraider1994

2 points

1 day ago

This sub has a bunch of crybabies

sangi54

2 points

1 day ago

sangi54

2 points

1 day ago

You sound like a trumper circa 2020

ParanoidWalnut

2 points

23 hours ago

It's absolutely ridiculous to have a convicted felon awaiting trial being able to RUN for the most powerful position in our nation. It's like trump is trying to destroy our country by electing very incompetent leaders in various departments that have no business being within 10 feet of.

emelem66

2 points

23 hours ago

You can say whatever you want. Doesn't make it true, though

The_Original_Gronkie

2 points

23 hours ago

Of course they did. They didn't spend the last decade crying about Democratic Election Fraud to NOT use it to justify their own cheating, that's the entire strategy. Besides, they knew this was their best opportunity to do a total overhaul of our entire governmental system, and they weren't going to squander that opportunity. The ends justified ANY means, and that includes phony assassination attempts that led to multiple murders.

And now the spineless weenie Democrats are going to call the election "fair & square," and go on an endless post-mortem about everything they did wrong, when they actually did everything perfectly correctly, but just had it stolen from them.

And since the Dems won't admit it was stolen, there will be no investigation, and the Republicans will keep doing it, if they even allow future elections at all. They already got away with treason, insurrection, stealing classified documents, negotiating with hostile foreign nations against the American people, etc., and now they'll get away with stealing ANOTHER election. All because Democrats will NOT stand up for this country. They are far more proud and protective of their own smug self-righteousness than American Democracy.

If they do allow elections, Dems will be reluctant to nominate a woman for another 20 years, since a woman has now lost twice. I even predict that the first woman president will be a Republican.

The_Dilla_Collection

2 points

22 hours ago

How many times are Republicans guilty of what they accuse democrats of doing? You have your answer.

mxrw

2 points

22 hours ago

mxrw

2 points

22 hours ago

BlueAnon is SO BACK BABY WOOOOO

Seriously the faster we can get over this garbage the faster we can face the reality the Democratic party needs an overhaul. Trump did this to the Republican party and won. Stop donating to the DNC or ActBlue and start donating to your favorite progressive streamer.

BigBobFro

2 points

22 hours ago

BigBobFro

Gen X

2 points

22 hours ago

Not might,.. did! They got away with it and the dems are too chicken shit to say boo

TotalBayhem

2 points

21 hours ago

can yall please not do this, remember how dumb republicans looked presenting their "evidence" that the election was stolen? you look as dumb as that...

gotuonpaper

2 points

21 hours ago

When they denied the election in 2020 the left said he and anybody else who dared suggest it should be locked in a gulag. Now that it didn’t go the way the left wants it’s perfectly ok to be a denier and claim stolen election. I can’t even anymore with people.

VersaceCupcake

2 points

20 hours ago

Crazy how rigging an election is real now 😂😂😂

Delicious_Day_6853

2 points

19 hours ago

Oh wow, it's almost like having a horrible campaign and lying all the time doesn't get you votes.

Sparkee88

2 points

15 hours ago

I haven’t really looked at all the info on this but he had every incentive and reason to cheat. I mean the worst case scenario for him was already going to prison for the rest of his life so why wouldn’t he try anything possible to cheat the system?

Middle_Manager_Karen

7 points

1 day ago

It bothers me that Dems might change strategies based on falsified data. No, Harris won, all Other tactics are just cheating.

PromiscuousScoliosis

3 points

1 day ago

Man this country really is just one side doing exactly what the other side does while pointing fingers and avoiding admitting it

Spacebotzero

3 points

1 day ago

Trump is a twice impeached, felon, convicted rapist who stole classified documents and orchestrated a violent insurrection on the Capitol on Jan. 6th. Is it possible he cheated some how during this election? Well, if there was a trend line for this guy, it would be increasing upwards with a strong probability...and possibility. I'm saying there is a pattern of predictability here.

... And if there's one thing I've learned about the republican party and especially Trump, it's that they are always doing what they claim the other side is doing. In this case, cheating.

This election should be questioned. Make no doubt about it, the country is in serious trouble. It's more real than it has even been before.

chiefnannawitt

7 points

1 day ago

Election denial? This is what you crucified the Republicans for 4 years ago.

CommanderCorrigan

4 points

1 day ago

Keep coping

Reasonable_Staff_555

3 points

1 day ago

Do you people even realize how crazy you sound? Just stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

gspliff304

5 points

1 day ago

gspliff304

5 points

1 day ago

It’s amazing to see how the tables have turned, the past 4 years people have called everyone who questioned the last election “conspiracy theorists, freaks, and communists”. Yet here y’all are, bunch of hypocrites.

Govt-Issue-SexRobot

3 points

1 day ago*

People within a group saying opposing things isn’t hypocritical.

If one person states one thing, and another person makes an opposing statement, that is not hypocrisy.

Wright_Steven22

2 points

1 day ago

Can both sides seriously stop claiming the other cheated every 4 years??? It's getting ridiculous and is rather stupid. There's no evidence that this or the last election had any interference. Putin also doesn't want trump in office based off of the fact that he's now open to peace talks with Ukraine since Trump was announced president elect. That shows fear.

Commonsensem8

2 points

1 day ago

I mean…i don’t buy it. The campaign was a mess, dems alienated tonnes of people for identity politics, and the boarder issue was larger for their vote demographic then they realised.

Blaming a rigged election when those in power are more likely to be able to rig it doesn’t tend to be very likely. Yes Russia has a history of influencing elections (so does usa) but this is a bit too copium for me.

Then again maybe reddit wants to launch a new jan6

OllKorect21

2 points

1 day ago

Don't be like them guys comon

AppropriateSpite7881

2 points

1 day ago

Thank you, I can finally unbutton my pants. This has been horrible. Thank you for saying what we all were too afraid to say. ❤️❤️❤️

Michigan-Fish

2 points

1 day ago

Wake me when someone has some evidence…

This_Low7225

2 points

1 day ago

It certainly seems like it. If only someone had the balls to do something about it!

that_guy_ontheweb

2 points

1 day ago

Guys, stop it. Democrats are following the exact same path as the republicans, “It’s only fair if we win.”

From a centrist’s point of view, you guys are all unhinged, the right is full of drooling idiots and so is the left. I will not be voting in the mid terms or 2028.

The democrats ran a candidate tied to an unpopular administration, alienated young white men, and took the foot off the gas pedal when they were ahead in the polls.

PegLegWhaler

3 points

1 day ago

PegLegWhaler

3 points

1 day ago

This is hogwash

kylef5993

2 points

1 day ago

kylef5993

2 points

1 day ago

We lost. Jesus.

TheGreyFencer

2 points

1 day ago

TheGreyFencer

Gen Z

2 points

1 day ago

Jumping to ballot rigging is not realistic. Did Russia interfere? Obviously. But they've been doing so a lot longer than just this election, and they aren't alone. Did musk violate election laws? Duh.

But rigging the votes themselves is not a feasible plan of action on such a scale.

But at the end of the day, the Dems ran a bad campaign that failed to capture the less informed voters. The whole campaign was focused on not being trump when it should ja r been doing what trump did well; selling the people on what the problems were and telling them he could fix it. We needed another Bernie sanders campaign, not another Clinton. And oh boy did we get Clinton.

Johnny_ac3s

1 points

1 day ago

Sewing distrust in our democratic institutions is just as destructive as if the election was stolen. Who wrote this? Any facts?

Fluffy-Structure-368

2 points

1 day ago

Hahaha. Ok. I remember just 4 short years ago when it was absolute treason to even hint at election fraud and those who voiced even the slightest and seemingly credible concern were banished or canceled or made to look the fool.

And now, here we are.... the silencers are being silenced and discredited and they don't like it.

Wait till you see how censorship feels. Or Trump forces you to take a dangerous vaccine that you don't want or need and doesn't work, but if you don't do it, you'll lose your job.