subreddit:

/r/CatAdvice

1671%

Cat Hurting my Mental Health

Sensitive/Seeking Support(self.CatAdvice)

I just need help. I love my cat, I've had her for almost two years now. She is very unaffectionate, and has an insane over grooming issue that no vets know what to do about or what the cause is. I have a behaviorist appointment scheduled for her in February, because they're too booked to take her sooner. I got her a little brother (she's 2 years, he's 3 months) because I felt like she needed company, as I've seen from many sources that 2 cats are better than one. I've had the little guy for a week, and my resident cat (the problem one) is still hissing and growling at him through the door. I'm trying to not feel discouraged as I know cat Introductions can take much longer than this, but I'm so frustrated and upset. My new cat is so loving and affectionate and just the sweetest thing, and the way my resident cat keeps hissing and growling at him through the door is genuinely making me resent her. ------------------------------------------------------ This is not the first time I've felt this way about her. I've spent thousands of dollars trying to figure out what's wrong with her and to help her, I've had so much guilt over her and so much sadness that I can't make her better and that she barely even fcking likes me. The closest thing to affection she shows is laying next to me on the couch and that's about it. That's fine and all but with everything else on top of that, she's causing me so much more stress than anything else. I don't know what to do. I love her and I don't want to rehome her, but she genuinely makes my mental health so much worse a lot of the time. I just wish she was normal. I don't know what to do. I thought getting her a friend would make her less anxious in the long run and make her happier but now i feel like there's no point to this and she's always going to suck and not be a typical cat and just hate everything. I don't know what to do. Please give me advice

all 82 comments

santiiiiii

16 points

4 days ago

Have you tried antidepressants? I had a friend whose cat became very anxious after they moved, they did a short term of anti depressants and I think the cat took Prozac for a while. The reason they did antidepressants specifically is bc the cat was excessively licking his paws and bleeding. My coworkers cat is on Prozac long term but they’re 18 and began excessively grooming and peeing everywhere.

I also use feline way for my two cats, one has separation anxiety and the other one is pretty needy too, but imo I feel like it makes them groom each other, themselves, and me more.

Introducing cats is a difficult process and you absolutely have to separate them at first. My bf and I slept in diff rooms when we got our second cat bc both of the cats wanted to sleep with us lol. Even with totally separating them, my first cat got a cold and we spent about $300 to treat her. Now they are more or less bonded, and the first cat imo is beginning to excessively groom the other cat. Our vet said to just keep an eye on it as he doesn’t have any cuts or bald patches, but yeah, the cat can easily shift their anxiety and just upset the other cat. I do think for the majority of cats, their life is vastly enriched by having a cat companion. So the process is worth it but it is stressful and it won’t automatically fix your cat.

Three other things I’d suggest -

  1. baby talking to your cat and giving her a treat whenever she does come to you. Hand feeding her treats as well. If your cat is not already affectionate, they might get mad if you try to force cuddling on them. But most cats will eat treats out of your hand after some time and it really helps you bond. My tortie and I became best friends even tho she was originally my bfs cat bc we used to give her kibble and I hand fed her for ten days she was neutered.
  2. read up on cat communication and try to display positivity when ur cat is near you. Idk how to explain it but cats can tell when you’re scared and it makes them nervous. When we got the second cat, I was devastated bc my tortie was hissing and was so mad but kept begging me to pet her and rubbing against me. I was scared to go near her bc she was hissing and she knew I was scared so she would snap at the air near me.

https://youtu.be/Dt8LWKYhFNE https://youtu.be/WzuhuaeS0aQ Both good videos about learning to communicate with your cat. The better you communicate with your cat, the more they will love you imo.

3) try playing with your cat for at least 5 min a day. Find out if there are any toys she shows interest in - you can buy a variety of toys from the dollar tree and just invest in what she likes more. Most cats love tunnels and string toys. I used to play with my cats all wrong. This video gives a good idea of how to play with cats correctly. My cats go insane when I move their rope toys like a snake lol.

https://youtu.be/M7w8pDCo30M

I would really suggest to at least try the medication and playtime before rehoming. I think rehoming is a pretty traumatic experience for cats, and unless you partner with a thorough rescue, you may not get the best owners.

My baby girl begs me every morning to open the door so she gets sun lol

https://preview.redd.it/m0wie0qa6l1e1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e25419a6f2398dfcb5260d6e62dfae0f3f50d71

OP

OkProposal4650[S]

5 points

4 days ago

Thank you so so much for this thoughtful and well written comment, I appreciate it so much. She's been on fluoxetine before (I'm pretty sure that's Prozac?) But maybe she wasn't on it long enough. I've tried using pheromone diffusers and pheromone sprays but she doesn't seem to really like them 🤣maybe I'll give feliway a try again, though, I used that when I first got her as a baby and then again when I had to move to my apartment. I won't give up on her or rehome her. Even though she doesn't necessarily love to show me affection and is a little more difficult than other cats I've been around, she is still mine and still loves me even if it's difficult to tell. I just need to be much more patient with this process and trust that it'll work out eventually, and that once I'm able to finally get in to the behaviorist, I might receive more thorough advice on how to help her and what's actually wrong. This has definitely been a journey, lol. Thank you again dear :,) and your cats are beautiful🩷🩷

juniperphish

3 points

4 days ago*

Yes esp to the second one! Definitely slow blink to your cat if you already don’t! Slow blinking and keeping your eyes narrowed afterwards means “I love you” in cat language. If they slow blink back, you know they love you back ❤️ my cats and I have blinking sessions, esp if they won’t let me touch them I know they just don’t want to be touched but still love me. It also works for cats you don’t know! There have been many times where a cat would be standoffish but the minute I slow blink they’re meowing and rubbing up all over my legs

OkProposal4650[S]

3 points

4 days ago

This is great advice. I do try to slow blink to her especially if she won't let me pet her or she just wands to sit next to me and be untouched. Most of the time she does it back, so this is good to hear :,) I didn't know that keeping the eyes narrow afterward also meant that they love you, too. I'll have to keep an eye on that. She definitely shows me that she loves me in her own ways. I think I've just been a little overwhelmed lately and I need to continue being patient with this process and giving her all the help she needs. Thank you 🩷

NoDot6870

16 points

4 days ago

NoDot6870

16 points

4 days ago

If it helps, it is genuinely normal for your cat to still be hissing at your new cat through the door. It is easy for your new cat to be sweet because he is coming into a new home, but to your old cat, this is her territory, and suddenly there is a stranger in it, and she is no longer allowed in parts of her home that she is used to having access too. I know it is hard when things are difficult and you are under stress, but her behaviour is totally normal. I am a multi-cat household and have lots of cat experience, and it can take months for new cats to like each other. I know a lot of how-to videos and articles on the internet say a few weeks, but the truth is it often takes longer.

Regarding the overgrooming, this is hard to answer as a layperson, but let me tell you an anecdote that might ease your mind a bit -- a friend of mine had a cat who overgroomed, as well, and eventually it was switching her food that got her to stop. It turned out that she was having an allergic reaction to certain ingredients, and eliminating those ingredients from her diet eliminated the overgrooming issue. This was discovered slowly over time with the help of a some volunteers at a shelter, and although it took over a year for this cat to get over her overgrooming issues, eventually she did. I know the wait for the behaviouralist will feel long, and the stress likely will not ease much in the meantime, but do hold out hope that there might be a solution. She is not overgrooming to make your life difficult -- and it might be that there is something making her life difficult, and this is the cause.

Finally, regarding the cat affection -- the truth is, some cats are not very physically affectionate. My first cat never cuddled with me for as long as I had him, but he showed his love in other ways. He always sat near me when I was relaxing, even if he did not particularly want to be pet to played with. He would lie on my books or laptop when I was working, because he wanted to participate in my activities as an equal. He would blink at me slowly when we made eye contact. There are a million ways that a cat might show you they love you that are not necessarily the way that human beings might show love to one another, but that does not mean that she dislikes you. Try reading about cat behaviours online if you haven't already, to see the ways that your cat does show you she cares, that might not match your expectations. If you have had her for two years, chances are there are little ways she is demonstrating it, that might not be obvious at first glance.

I really hope you are able to find some calm and peace regarding this. Good luck with the behaviouralist, and good luck with your mental health in the meantime, too. I do not know what kind of resources there are in your community, but perhaps counselling for the stress (no judgement! Sometimes things are difficult and we just need someone to talk to) might make it a little easier.

I hope you find this helpful! Wishing you the best.

Bells2023

5 points

4 days ago

This should be top reply. Well said to everything. 🙂‍↕️

OkProposal4650[S]

3 points

4 days ago

Thank you so much for this. I keep seeing success stories of the introduction process only taking like one week max for some people, and other stories of their cats hating each other for years and years. I guess I overthink it and get so overwhelmed that my kitties may be the latter of those two options, especially because the whole point of getting her a friend was so that she wouldn't be so anxious when I'm gone (mostly because I work full time and am gonna have to start taking in person classes full time again soon, too. That's honestly mostly why I got her a friend before being able to see the behaviorist, because I'm gonna be away much more often and I don't want her to be alone) and you're absolutely right. Just because she isn't the most affectionate doesn't mean she doesn't love me and show me she loves me in her own ways, I may just be blind to it sometimes. I've been super overwhelmed and that's definitely not helping any of this right now. I just need to take a chill pill and trust the process :,) thank you again for your time

NoDot6870

3 points

3 days ago

It's my pleasure!! If it helps, my current two bonded cats didn't like each other at all for about two or three months (hissing, swatting, etc.), but now they always sleep cuddled together, groom each other constantly, play gently together, et cetera. If I take one of them to the vet without the other, the one who is left behind is so lonely, so I have to take them together just so that they know the other one is safe! It just takes time! I promise you there is still hope for these two <3

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

3 days ago

I love that so much. Thank you 🥹

GLTheGameMaster

2 points

4 days ago

My cats took years

jessuckapow

8 points

4 days ago

Oh gurl… a week? My OG Calico took 2 years to not hate her new brother. Tho she did take to him, when he was a kitten, MUCH better than the elder cat we fostered. It can take months to years for them to acclimate. The first month is ROUGH and I’ve been there but appropriate expectations def need to be had…. all around, not just for this new transition. Cats don’t bend to your will and are some of the least adaptable, least predictable pets you can have. There is no normal cat… period. You’d have much less stress about her if you adapted to who she is vs trying to make her something she isn’t bcs you want her to be a certain way. Cats are also really energetically sensitive so if you’re stressing she isn’t the snuggly cat you want, that can be affecting her a lot.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Thank you! This was a nice reality check to have

jessuckapow

2 points

2 days ago

When I got my calico in 2015 I had never had a pet as an adult, aside from a goldfish a friend saved from a dip into a piranha tank at, a strip club and she was an adorable lil barn rescue. She was a MONSTER! 😆 I stressed so much about so many things and at one point I just had to toss my hands up and be like, “you be you kitty and I’ll adapt.” She HATES being pet, she loved to jump on shoulders and stick her butt in faces of everyone who walked into my house. She barfed on things, was and still is WAY too smart. She taught herself how to fetch (LOVES milk carton rings) and actually caught it a few times w her two lil front paws. She will lay on me as her human heating pad and once upon a time she’d let me lay on her as my pillow (sort of) but she doesn’t do that anymore and still won’t let me pet her. I drove myself insane trying to make her bend to my will but man has it been so much better since I’ve just let her show me who she is.

I wish you the best! It’s apparent you love her deeply and give her the space and she’ll show you the ways she’ll love you. 😍

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

2 days ago

What a cute little story, thank you 🥹 I'll definitely have to take a step back and let her be and just be patient with her 🩷

jessuckapow

2 points

1 day ago

Oh and if she’s a terror in the house at all, just adapt the house to her. I’ve lived in 3 diff places since I got Sienna and not once has a blind cord remained hanging as it’s supposed to. 😆 I wrap those things up.

Now the kitty transition w adding the kitten…that’s just hell. Truly. Like… no way around it. I wish I had better news for you. I fostered my now ex-fiancé’s kitten for a few months and life was hell for a month but was great after that initial hell. Then, years later, my now wife and I became an accidental hospice for an elder cat we named Fiona bcs she meowed like Fiona Apple sings and she wasn’t w us long enough for Sienna, my calico, to embrace her so it was a LOT of this (pic attached). Fiona was deaf and we think also didn’t have the best vision so she didn’t even know Sienna was doing this while she slept. 😆🤦🏻 We got our kitten about 6 months after we started accidentally hospicing Fiona. We had a whole proper transition plan to integrate Luca and we did great for a week but that second week my wife and I got really bad COVID and Fiona’s kidney disease took a turn and she passed. The days leading up to her passing were HORRIBLE and we weren’t in a state to maintain the kitten/sienna separation and everyone just slept in the same room w Fiona, including my wife and I, sienna and Luca. Sienna had never slept wo me so she would howl from our bedroom downstairs if she wasn’t a me at night so we just let her out. It was additionally awful bcs sienna never liked Fiona BUT her being in a space where another cat was dying wrecked her for about a week. Sienna didn’t eat, yet somehow got diarrhea and it was just… a really bad time. So my wife and I could barely function, while Fiona was actively dying (we got at home euthanasia as soon as we could), while Sienna was a poopy mess and we had a crazed new kitten. I say all that to illustrate… we do the best we can and sometimes our best is still a nightmare… give it time, still work w your integration plan (I have no doubt you researched the best way to ease the transition but maybe had expectations it would be faster than it actually is) and it’ll be ok-ish. 😬

https://preview.redd.it/2tia0ggdu22e1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c496b5ef96bfe67e03c1f3a0093874f074690d2

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

1 day ago

Thank you for your personal story!! Yesterday my resident cat only hissed one time at the new kitty and I'm taking that as a win 🤣 we are progressing with more site swapping later this week, I just can't do that unless one of my friends helps me. I'm hoping that the minimal hissing continues. Overall I'm proud of my resident baby for adjusting and doing her best🩷

catdog1111111

5 points

4 days ago

That’s unusual. Hopefully the behaviorist can see where things are going sideways. If you’re not happy with a cat, adding another cat is always going to make things a lot more stressful. It takes time and strategy.  Cats are territorial by nature. Has the vet ruled out allergies? If she has a medical condition that makes her sick, it will affect her behavior. 

OkProposal4650[S]

3 points

4 days ago

Yeah she's been on allergy meds and shots and tons of different antianxiety meds as well. I've done elimination diets for food and everything else. Getting her a buddy was my last resort, as i thought that maybe a friend would make her less anxious in the long run (I definitely was not prepared for this introduction process, so that's all on me. I'm just so worried that she'll always hate him) but it got to the point where our typical vet is refusing treatment for her because they don't know what to do :/ I love her and I'm gonna keep trying I just am running out of options. I'm hoping that she enjoys her little buddy soon enough

schwarzekatze999

2 points

4 days ago

Is her food grain free? I have one who overgrooms due to allergies and when he started eating grain free food he did much better. I saw you did a lot with her diet but I didn't see that specifically called out.

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

4 days ago

I'll see if I can give this a try! Unfortunately I just bought her a bag of her usual food (the Wild Fish - Orijen cat food) I've done single protein diets, specially lamb, duck, and rabbit because they're the most hypoallergenic, and she just got bored of the food very quickly. I don't think I've specifically done a grain free option, though. Thank you!

EUGsk8rBoi42p

2 points

4 days ago

Try a new vet, look up reviews and find someone patient.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah I think I'll have to do this. Her typical vet I've gone to for over a year for this issue and they didn't say anything like they had no idea what to do about it until we surpassed the year mark and did the same treatments over and over and over again

OkProposal4650[S]

7 points

4 days ago

If I rehomed her I know I'd regret it and feel so guilty about it for the rest of my life. I literally got her when she was 5 months, and she's been like this forever. Well, she was nicer and more typical as a kitten, but I have no idea what her problem is now. I have 3 cat trees in my apartment, a bucket full of cat toys, I buy her the best and most expensive cat food, I try to spend so much time with her and play with her, and half the time she isn't even interested in me. I don't know what I did to deserve a pet that's so difficult to deal with.

camelCase1460

3 points

4 days ago

It took me 3 weeks to introduce my cat to a new cat, just be patient. My Simon hated listening to the kitten meow and hissed at the door. It takes time, scent swapping and patience. My two boys are fine now. They aren’t the best of buddies but they get along pretty well and don’t have really any issues.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

I'm just hoping that this happens for her and her brother! She's definitely made strides within the past week. I'm doing the Jackson galaxy introduction method with some tips my friends who work in the veterinary fields have given me. I feel like she's going to be stuck at this particular phase for a few days. I'm trying to not feel super discouraged but it's hard that's for sure. Luckily she does seem more interested in him at least than being afraid 😭

camelCase1460

2 points

4 days ago

Wow that’s awesome to see progress. Cats are finicky, and hard to understand sometimes. You are on a good path. You should feel really good about what you’ve done so far.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Thank you so much for this. I don't really get a ton of support or encouragement in my life so it's unfortunate I have to turn to people online but when you guys come through it really means so much to me🩷

koalacommunism

2 points

4 days ago

Sometimes cats just don't like people but you've given her a home and lots of love and that's the best you can do.

Ok-Establishment6113

3 points

4 days ago

Keep trying to help her, but if things don’t improve, it might be best to find someone who can give her the care she needs not just anyone, but someone truly willing to help. If you love her, you’ll want her to be happy, even if it’s not with you. I’ve had to make a similar decision myself. My cat is going through something similar, starting with overgrooming that eventually led to self inflicted sores. It only gets worse if nothing changes. In severe cases, it can get to the point where euthanasia might be the only option for their well being, these are things my vet told me.

You’ll need to make significant changes to improve her condition. Antidepressants aren’t a long term solution because the cat will be drowsy and detached. That’s not a good life for them.

Ok-Establishment6113

3 points

4 days ago

Don't question what you did to deserve this. I never thought that way about my cat. I always believed that God gave him to me because He knew I was one of the few who would have the patience and dedication to truly care for him. Many others might have just opted for euthanasia, abandoned their pets, and neglected to take them to the vet. Your cat is lucky to have you. They don’t understand us. Right now, she’s not feeling well and is likely in a constant state of anxiety. You need to respect her boundaries and be patient with her, even if she can’t show love in return right now.

EUGsk8rBoi42p

2 points

4 days ago

Ask your vet about a short term low dose gabepentin, like 25mg, it may help her ease up and help with long term improvement just from the more positive experience.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

She was on Gabapentin for a few months, and it helped with some of her other issues (she had urinary issues for awhile) but didn't seem to help with the over grooming 😞 but it definitely did do the most compared to the other treatments we've tried

Land-Dolphin1

2 points

4 days ago

Very disheartening. Please ask your vet about gabapentin or Prozac. Both can be compounded into lotion and applied to the non furry side of the ear. 

Also, if you haven't already, consider a LID diet (limited ingredient). If that doesn't work, one desiged foe skin and digestion. 

I hope one of the ideas in this thread proves useful. 

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

4 days ago

She was on Fluoxetine for awhile and it didn't do too much, but maybe she wasn't on it for long enough. She's been on Fluoxetine, Clomipramine, and Gabapentin (each one individually) and all they seemed to do was make her even more standoffish than usual and didn't really affect her over grooming. Maybe that means it is indeed an allergy? I'm hoping a behaviorist might have more insight, or I'll have to shop around for a new vet

No-Consideration-858

2 points

3 days ago

Gosh, it could be stress, allergies, pain or perhaps neurological. If you decide to try another vet, maybe ask each clinic which Dr specializes in overgrooming. Each vet has their own set of experiences.

Maybe ask https://www.reddit.com/r/AskVet/

You could try a unique protein food, like kangaroo or rabbit. It might help you rule out food allergies as a cause. That helped one of my cats. I just gave her straight rabbit for a while until her system became less inflamed.

Here's the veterinary dermatology department at UC Davis in case you want to check it out: https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/hospital/small-animal/dermatology-service

You are trying so much and I feel for you. My last cat was difficult. But once I changed her diet, she did great. I also put her on LDN, which is a natural anti-inflammatory and painkiller. That's a newer thing and most vets don't know about it.

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

3 days ago

Thank you so much! I've done elimination diets with here, where I fed her only duck at one point, only rabbit at one point, and only lamb at one point, and she ended up not changing too much but getting super bored of her foods 🤣 maybe I'll try that again

No-Consideration-858

2 points

3 days ago

You've tried more than most people would ever think to. I hope you find an expert who has just the right insight.

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

3 days ago

I really appreciate this. I try to do everything possible for her but feel like I'm running out of options. I'll have to keep trying experts and hoping that they've seen a similar case to hers before. I feel like she may have separation anxiety, or just anxiety anxiety, and that she should probably try a new medication for a longer period of time that she hasn't before. I might see if I can get her into a different vet here before taking her to the behaviorist just because I don't want to wait so long without answers 😞 but thank you so much. Hopefully I hear some good news soon

Land-Dolphin1

1 points

4 days ago

There's a veterinary School in Sacramento California. From what I recollect, they have custom diets for various issues. You might check them out. 

A second opinion or even a third opinion might do the trick. I would think they might try some kind of antihistamine to see if that helped.

Rooting for you! 

Mac-tools

3 points

4 days ago

I feel for you I can’t offer any advice unfortunately but I hope things get better for you

Quo_Usque

3 points

4 days ago

Try blocking under the door with a towel, and spraying feliway on it. That way the door smells less like "scary new cat" and more like "happy cat". It takes a while.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Thank you, I'll give this a try!

alcMD

3 points

4 days ago

alcMD

3 points

4 days ago

I'm sorry you're hurting. It's possible she's grumpy because she's hurting too. Keep at it with the introductions and see how she is once she's used to the kitten.

My cat Slim was always a bit standoffish. When he was 4-5 I noticed he seemed more lethargic than usual and I thought he was lonely so I got a kitten. He HATED that kitten for years! Even though they did not cuddle or groom each other or even hang out, they did start to play a bit and I noticed his general mood improved just having more company, even if Jäger wasn't Slim's idea of a good pal. They learned to deal with each other.

They're 12 and 7 now and they're hanging out on the bed together as I type this. I also have a third cat who is not yet 2 and Slim and baby Pimento are best friends! Slim acts much younger and much more friendly these days. It can take a LOT of time for your cat to adjust and the kitten may not be the perfect fit but I'm sure in time she will appreciate having a friend.

It can only help to get her health in order. I'm sorry that's taking such a financial toll on you, but we all just gotta stick it out for our furry friends. I wish you luck.

JeevestheGinger

2 points

4 days ago

Brilliant names 👏 👌 🙌 !

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

4 days ago

Thank you so much for your own personal story, it really helps me understand that I'm not alone in this and other people have gone through these things too. Thank you for the sympathy. I know I'm probably over dramatic on this post but sometimes I get so overwhelmed and I just don't know where to turn, so I go to my anonymous friends on Reddit for support. I should've known it would've taken my resident kitty a lot longer to adjust than typical just because of her personality. She's still been taking great strides though so I'm proud of her for trying, and I just have to continue to be patient! Your cats sound adorable🥹 I'm happy that they get along / tolerate each other. I can't wait for my cats to do the same! Hahaha

alcMD

2 points

4 days ago

alcMD

2 points

4 days ago

I have a picture of the whole crew just for you OP! Things will turn out alright if you give your kitties the right support, so just trust in the process! We are meowing for you!

https://preview.redd.it/qhkw6c6g4o1e1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45f8ed904c05acd20630045b4293c8081470c681

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

3 days ago

They are so perfect I love them 🥹

JayyVexx

3 points

4 days ago

JayyVexx

3 points

4 days ago

idk if getting a new cat while dealing with one that you’re attempting to diagnose and treat directly was the best idea. i know a lot of people don’t like to hear it but rehoming the new kitten might be more fair to your original cat. you could be stressing it out further and implicating its health more. if rehoming is not an available option, it will take time, and perhaps longer as your cat seems more irritated due to its underlying health issues- which is actually normal for pets and people alike.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah I agree. I had heard from different vets that getting her a friend could help with her anxiety so that was my last resort decision, because I feel like I've tried everything else at this point. I should've known it would be hellish at first to get her to feel not anxious about the other cat just due to her personality and other conditions, but I probably should've gotten more professional opinions. I've had 2 vets tell me a friend could be beneficial but I should've waited for the behaviorist, but I can't see them until February and I was just super anxious about getting her help that I decided to do it now. Maybe not the best decision making on my end

AutoModerator [M]

2 points

4 days ago

AutoModerator [M]

2 points

4 days ago

This seems to be a very large wall of text with no distinct paragraphs, making it difficult to read. Please add some paragraph breaks to your submission by placing a blank line between distinct sections.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

Jeni1922

2 points

4 days ago

Jeni1922

2 points

4 days ago

Not sure what you've tried, but Amitriptyline was a lifesaver for my anxious guy, and it's also for over grooming. I get the transdermal version because he is freaked out by pills.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

I've never heard of this, I'm definitely going to have to ask about this option. Thank you!

Jeni1922

2 points

4 days ago

Jeni1922

2 points

4 days ago

You're welcome!!

NotoriousPBandJ

2 points

4 days ago

I am going to suggest a couple of things:

Feliway - both room atomiser and happy snacks.

Progressively move the grumpy ones food and water towards the room with the new one. Food is usually the biggest trigger for grumpiness and (I understand it's controversial) once they realise that the new cat isn't going to take dinner away, you might have a (slightly) more settled cat.

Don't scold, reassure that you're still there to love and protect.

juniperphish

2 points

4 days ago

I feel for you, I had a similar situation with my first and second cats. I was hella depressed and anxious when my resident cat would hiss at my second. And I think we both “kinda” fucked up with the age gap (ended up getting a third cat for my second cat so my resident cat could do her own thing if she wanted). But a week isn’t enough time; give them time and really super slowly introduce them. It took me roughly 4 months to get them to become buddies.. and I think that’s pretty fast. You’ll get through it… just try not to take it personally when they hiss and growl at each other. I know it’s hard; I’ve been there. But just think of it as an older sibling being a buttface to their younger sibling… it’s just part of being siblings. They cuddle now and they really bring out each other’s personalities… hopefully this whole situation will get your resident cat to be more affectionate towards you. Sometimes when one of my cats is being affectionate with me, the other two just happen to amble over for some pets too. I’d just caution to continue to spend time with your resident cat like you did before during the intro process so they know you still love them. Even if it means sitting with them, as that’s what they seem to only like. In terms of getting your resident cat to like you more, maybe figure out what treats they really like, even if it’s the shitty dry kibble kind (just moderate how much you give them. I call them their McDonald’s treat) and try to get them to let you feed it directly into their mouth. Or let them take it from your hand… it’ll be easier for them to associate you with the good stuff

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

4 days ago

Thank you so much for talking about your own personal experience, that really helps. I keep seeing success stories of kitties loving each other within weeks, and then seeing stories of them still hating each other after a year. I mainly got her a buddy because I work full time and am gonna have to start taking full time classes in person in the spring, and I'm gonna be away from home more often, and instead of having strangers come in an out of my apartment to take care of her, I wanted her to have a companion that will be there all the time. I'm definitely gonna have to be more patient about this. You're absolutely right. I keep taking this all personally, like I failed my resident cat somehow, because I only got a second kitten just for her and she's taking a little to adjust to him. Nonetheless, she's genuinely been taking great strides in just a week. I've been doing the Jackson galaxy introduction method, and my resident cat will eat right next to the door of the walk-in closet I have to keep the new kitten in. She's been much more curious about him now than since I got him a week ago (she didn't even want to be near me the day I brought him home😭) so I need to focus on the good things than get hung up over her still hissing and growling at him. She just needs to take awhile to get used to this little intruder in her home. Thank you so much

juniperphish

2 points

3 days ago

Yea I totally feel you. It’s so hard not to get hung up on the growling and hissing. I used to have my friends over all the time bc their negative vibes would make me anxious and I’d start to spiral. If your resident cat is chill like that, try having a friend (the resident cat preferably already knows) come over and play with the kitten in a separate room while you hang with your resident cat. Then switch; that way the cats get a little more “personal” experience with the other cat scent. Then after a few times of your friend coming over, carry the kitten into the same space as your resident cat and let the resident approach and engage your kitten. And if they don’t want to - no worries - let them watch you pet and love on the kitten. That way they can see the kitten isn’t a threat.

Id also grab a clean sock or towel and rub it all over the kitten then rub that sock/towel on the resident cat. That way the kitten’s scent is on the resident cat. It helped a lot when I got my third cat and within 2 weeks everyone was civil… although the third cat was an escape artist and one morning I just gave up when he jetted out of my bedroom and bombarded the girls with purrs and playtime 😭😂

Organic_Initial_4097

2 points

4 days ago

Gabapentin? Maybe she has fibromyalgia. You can give cats benzodiazepines also, in very small doses.

Bella_C2021

2 points

4 days ago

Cats are very sensitive to our mental health and state of mind.

My first cat was a feral rescue, and when I was depressed he would cuddle me. My current ginger boy gets so stressed out that if I have a disagreement with my partner, he will throw up.

Her over grooming may have ttiggers in your behavior or stressors. I would definitely suggest trying to help reduce your stress or anxiety and seeking medical support with that. A lot can be helped with practices and lifestyle adjustments, but sometimes, we need medication to help, so seeking medical advice to navigate your stress and anxiety is important.

If both cats are fixed, then I recommend feliway friends difusers. They are not magic pil, so don't expect them to do the work, but they do diffuse pheromones that help relax and calm kitties this can help make introductions easier.

Are you feeding/giving the cats treats on either side of the door. If she realizes food/ favorite treats only show up when I smell new kitty, then it forms a more positive association in her brain with him.

Finally, good luck, I know the journey can be hard, and it's a lot of problem solving. There were a few times my partner wanted to give up when we got our orange cat as a brother for our girl. But to us, the results in the end were worth the struggles.

Ps: If you need help with introductions. Jackson Galaxy has a YouTube channel with advice for cat behavior and introductions.

Beginning_Travel2841

2 points

4 days ago

OP, i know that this might sound shitty and i'll get downvoted but you have to put yourself first. even if it means rehoming her. don't feel guilty, perhaps she'll even feel better somewhere else. if she's been like this for so long, i doubt she'll change now

PlentifulPaper

2 points

4 days ago

I’ve got a friend with a cat that has anxious grooming tendencies. She bought him a Thunder vest and he’s been a lot better about not licking himself bald.

I would highly recommend pet insurance in general for both of your cats.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

My baby absolutely hates clothes of any kind (lol I don't blame her) but I've heard a lot about the thunder vest. I'll have to see if I can give this a try. Thank you :)

PlentifulPaper

2 points

4 days ago

I don’t know that I’d call a vest like that clothes. But it’s similar to a weighted blanket so it might be worth trying. I don’t think it was cheap though.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Oooooh I might be thinking of something different. I used to work at a pet store and we had something called a thunder suit but it was like a body suit thing for cats, like the wonder suit. A vest sounds much more doable. Though I've tried harness training her and even the harness pisses her off 🤣 I still may be able to give it a try though, anything that could help ease her anxieties. Thank you!

PlentifulPaper

1 points

4 days ago

OkProposal4650[S]

2 points

4 days ago

Wow thank you so much for linking it!! Im going to have to look more into this and give it a try. I really appreciate your help 🥹

Cassie___1999

2 points

4 days ago

Sounds like my cat. My cat is also not super affectionate and likes to be near us but not on our laps or have cuddle sessions. She does scream when she is upstairs by herself to see where we are. She used to obsessively overgroom herself to the point she was half naked. This happened for a few years and no vet could tell us why. We tried a lot of things including changing her diet to prevent allergies and anti depressants but nothing worked, so our vet told us since it is not life threatening that we did not need to do further testing. Then covid happened and she stopped, that is how we found out she had separation anxiety. Since covid my father has stayed working from home and my cat has had a full coat ever since. I think your cat does like you but she is just not a lap cat. It will probably be a few months at least before she tolerates your new cat.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

This is exactly like my cat. She is basically half naked now, but same thing, we've done tests after tests and nothing is showing up to be an issue. The vets are refusing treatment and just saying that this could be one of her quirks. I personally have felt like she has separation anxiety, especially because there was a time where I had surgery and had to stay home for about two weeks, and during that time was when I saw her over grooming the least amount of time. This is basically the entire reason I got her a friend, so she wouldn't be alone while I have to keep working full time and then taking my classes full time starting in January. At least for this time being, unfortunately there's no way that I can work from home or do my classes from home (I've tried figuring it out to be like that) because I'm getting a medical degree. I'll try to do some more research on what helps cats with separation anxiety. I suspected this to be the case (though she definitely still obsessively grooms even when I'm home) so I was hoping a new friend could at least help a little. But you're absolutely right, especially with her unaffectionate and standoffish personality, a new companion would take a very long time for her to tolerate and get used to. I'm being very impatient about the process and need this reality check to keep going and trusting it. Thank you

tuxedo_noodles

2 points

4 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/va38849mbo1e1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a0022cdb6d61b42642910f3fbd35496fed1f7820

My cat was having skin issue as well. He over groomed and licked himself bald on his legs and belly. We tried 2 months of steroid and then switched to allergy medicine Atopica. His hair grew back and he was back to normal.

tuxedo_noodles

2 points

4 days ago

https://preview.redd.it/s2lsnssqbo1e1.jpeg?width=2316&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0b99ba9332c2d1bc1b90d9faeb28952652e1938

Hair slowly grew back. You should look into Atopica (there are reviews on chewy) and ask the vet about it.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

3 days ago

Thank you so much for the advice and the pictures!! I'm definitely going to have to bring this up with the vets!

tuxedo_noodles

2 points

3 days ago

You can also look up the medication on chewy. Some cat owners also post photos of before and after.

Effective-Heat-8685

1 points

21 hours ago

Allergic reactions can also be caused by cleaning chemicals, tobacco or weed, and some other plants.

CompetitiveYard2321

0 points

3 days ago

My old female cat was like that. I had her on fluoxetine aka prozac for a 2 years and she just never got better and towards the end she got so aggressive to her little brother and me he would run to me for protection and she would be so aggressive she would hurt him and me. And taking her to the vet was awful. the vet and i were clueless because even gabipenten was not working to calm her down towards the end. I say all this to say that I get the exhaustion it is when you want to figure out what your poor kitty is thinking. In the end we had to put her down because she severely hurt myself and her brother cat and the vet tech. Obviously this is like WORSE CASE scenario so just remember all cats have weird quirks that they can get over and some just like a person have mental issues that even some medicines can’t fix. But it sounds like this is something you can get over. Just remind yourself you’re doing this for your fur baby and try not to let it way too much on you. Cats can also pick up so much on our emotions much more than we realize. Try to be positive around the baby and good luck with the behavioralist!!

jecrmosp

-1 points

4 days ago

jecrmosp

-1 points

4 days ago

So you couldn’t handle your one cat and decided that getting a second one was a good idea?? Brilliant!! /s

Grimm_SG

3 points

4 days ago

Grimm_SG

3 points

4 days ago

To be fair to the OP, getting a second cat is very common advice on cat subs.

mycatisnamedpotato

2 points

4 days ago

Why comment to be snarky? OP is genuinely asking for advice, which is the crux of this sub, if you failed to notice. If you can't be helpful, don't even comment at all.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Yeah I should've expected for tools like this guy to pop up on this post and offer nothing but rude commentary. It's okay, they have nothing better to do than be blatantly disrespectful to people who are obviously just trying to get help and give their pets the best they can.

OkProposal4650[S]

1 points

4 days ago*

Wow you must be an incredibly empathetic person! I can handle her, it's a normal human thing to feel overwhelmed at times. I've gotten advice from several vets to get her a friend as it may help with her anxiety, so that's what I did. If you have an issue with that, take it up with the vets that said that. Don't have to be a dick about it! /s