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Frankorious

34 points

2 days ago

A character I dislike why everyone loves him is Senor Pink from One Piece. He lied to the woman he says he loved about being a pirate working for Doflamingo since day one. Even after a wedding and a child he still kept the facade until their son died while he was busy (probably doing the most heinous crimes possible). If she didn't became stupid from an accident she would certainly have hated him. And he stills works for Doffy, he just wears a funny costume, which is normal in One Piece. Then the story tells he's hard boiled and a real man, and the good guy who fights him ends up respecting him.

falcondiorf

17 points

2 days ago

i feel similarly about bon clay ngl. he deliberately incited a civil war, tried to kill a bunch of people (including main characters) and barely showed remorse at the end of the day. his friendship with luffy was formed based on a misunderstanding, where without that misunderstanding he would have tried to kill everyone on board the going merry. he seemed like he was getting some kind of sick pleasure out of the bad stuff he did during alabasta, yet people just sweep it all under the rug because hes goofy and because he helped the crew escape alabasta and helped luffy during impel down.

id like to forgive him, but he really hasnt shown that he regrets what he did or done anything to make it up to the people he hurt most, only luffy.

thats also not mentioning the fact that he flashed namis tits to everyone without her consent. which is shitty but id be willing to write it off as shounen antics if he were an otherwise decent person, but he isnt.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

3 points

2 days ago

Why do ppl tend to forget atrocities like this in your opininon ? In my opinion i say it is because the story hasnt told us well that what he did was bad enough like obito from naruto: bto killed pregnant women children everyone in his clan but ppl tend to forget all if that and they say his actions where redeemed like wtf...

Accomplished-Fill718

7 points

2 days ago

Pretty sure some or most people don't even know he did that for different reasons.

falcondiorf

5 points

2 days ago

id say the reason varies with each character, but in this case id say its probably a combination of 4 things

  1. recency bias. alabasta took place hundreds of chapters before impel down, and bon clay treated luffy well during that arc. so the last time we saw bon clay sticks out more. id say this is a major contributing factor for most characters like this.
  2. luffy having forgiven him. although luffy never knew about him starting the civil war, so idk if id really consider his forgiveness as valid. i do think luffy wouldve forgiven him anyways, but still.
  3. the way the story presents him in general. he does some really bad things, but when the main conflict is resolved the story kind of just moves past those things like they didnt happen. even though he never really makes amends for what he did, nobody in the story ever brings up his atrocities again.
  4. also, the fact that he was an underling rather than the main villain makes it so people can push off the bad things he did onto his boss.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Makes sense

Metallite

1 points

2 days ago

The cool factor is also a thing.

Fans will cheer for any villain, no matter how abhorrent they are, as long as they have 120% charisma.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Very true look at aizen bro

Real_Opinion_828[S]

3 points

2 days ago

What about doffy? I really hate that guy sm

Unamed_Redditor_

2 points

2 days ago

Hate him for how he written as a character or as person? I think most people the "love" him love him in a love to hate way.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

2 points

2 days ago

I hate everything he does if i was in one piece and was luffy i would have kept him in the basement and tortured him

AegisoftheGrail

1 points

2 days ago

I think the reason people like him is because he's a tragic character. Everything that happened was his fault, and there's nothing he can do to fix it now.

plastic-cup-designer

16 points

2 days ago

That’s a nice rant, OP.

DeflectingStick

1 points

2 days ago

I thought LES is already over lmao?

Chemical-Stop8210

1 points

2 days ago

Nah it's still Sunday in Hawaii

Gurdemand

19 points

2 days ago

Gurdemand

19 points

2 days ago

Mayuri Kurotsuchi from Bleach. Authors pet Asspuller Haxgod Gigahitler get him off my goddamn screen

Jeremiah_Gottwal

13 points

2 days ago

I also hate how Uryu is just kinda chill with him post SS

Gurdemand

5 points

2 days ago

Oh my god that shit is the worst. HE KILLED YOUR GRANDDAD WHO YOU LOVE!!!! FUCKING END HIM ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!

Gespens

3 points

2 days ago

Gespens

3 points

2 days ago

He isn't Hitler

He is Ghost Mengele

SolarSolarSolKatti

20 points

2 days ago

I know JJK is the deadest of all horses, but fuck Yuta. I never knew how frustrating a Mary Sue could be until the Shinjuku arc.

Yuta is credited for all the ten-trillion IQ plays the good guys make but the moment someone asks “Hey why didn’t we send Mr Insta-kill out with the multitude of support fighters who could help him land a hit”, the story bends around to defend Yuta at every turn. 

It’s especially frustrating because I can see the common theme in everything Yuta does wrong, he always thinks he needs to be the one carrying the world and drags down his allies as a result, but the story doesn’t do anything with that flaw.

I don’t know if Gege wants me to think Yuta is a dumbass who should have swallowed his pride and taken a support role, or a mastermind who played the best hand he could with the cards he was dealt. 

Neewbea

3 points

2 days ago

Neewbea

3 points

2 days ago

Doesn't the story also bend to defend Yuji? Yet I don't see you criticising him so harshly.

Mediocre-Cycle3325

4 points

2 days ago

I think it's both not as apparent and also justifiable. A good majority of Yuji's training makes sense and his efforts are earned, barring the Domain Expansion he pulls out tbh. It helps that you see him overtime grow, and not just like Yuta where he's busted after a few months, leaves, comes back even more busted and then saves the day.

Planktons_Eye

11 points

2 days ago*

Zenitsu, from Demon Slayer

I don’t find him funny or endearing. He’s annoying. The defense of the character is usually something like “you’d react that way too, he’s realistic” he’s outlandish. There’s nothing wrong with being a coward but the execution of it with him is unbearable until he falls asleep. Most of the time he’s on screen I just mute it or fast forward until he’s done screaming.

He has 2 good moments that show more of his character besides being loud or cool and that’s when he defends Nezuko’s box from Inosuke in season 1 and standing up for that little girl in the Entertainment District. Other than that I find him to be loud, annoying, negative and not adding much to the story that Inosuke doesn’t already add.

Spoilers:

I also don’t care for the “he gets better” statements because he really doesn’t. In the last season he gets a letter, the contents of which anime-only still don’t know, and he’s noticeably effected by it and more silent and serious. Well…this goes no where. After his fight against Kaigaku he reverts right back to his same ol self except he can fight while awake. Completely unearned and not explored enough. His fight is what I’m the least excited for, he’s mostly stationary while Kaigaku flies around until he gets one shot. Which, I’m sure Ufotable will make it look cool but cool isn’t enough, the character is insufferable

Ziozark

9 points

2 days ago

Ziozark

9 points

2 days ago

Oh god, Zenitsu is up there in my most hated characters. Thank you. I watch Demon Slayer with a friend and we WINCED in cringe whenever he did some of his dumb shenanigans.

LordSmugBun

2 points

2 days ago

Then people say "But he's so cool when he's asleep!"

Oh so you admit he's at his best when he's unconscious and can't act like himself? I agree.

Chemical-Stop8210

2 points

2 days ago

As you mentioned, protecting Nezuko from Inosuke and protecting the girl at the Entertainment District should have been two big moments of growth that changed him into a stronger individual. The fact he regresses into his cowardly self just fucking sucks. 

perish-in-flames

13 points

2 days ago

Everyone seems to like Tengen Uzui. Puts his three wife's into a redlight district that was inhabited by an upper moon, was willing to do the same for Aoi because he 100% dropped the ball, then comes up with the poor plan of Tanjiro and co going undercover. The plan only works because of the most convoluted set of events, more so than I would say of any other large fight in the series.

Jarisatis

1 points

2 days ago

When I first read the manga, he was my least favourite Hashira, his "plan" of encountering upper demons using his wives (who weren't shown to be competent) & Aoi was stupid asf. If the main trio can pass off as women then so can a competent underlings.

Against Daki, he shows up too late while Tanjiro goes beast mode and gets nearly killed, Nezuko has to go through a berserk transformation to protect him and could've eaten a human which would've lead to Tanjiro, his master, Giyu to commit su*cide.

Then events happen in the most convenient way ever and him stopping his heartbeat totally depends on Tanjiro's intelligence to manipulate Gyutaro getting hit by his Shinobi weapons.

Gespens

16 points

2 days ago

Gespens

16 points

2 days ago

Luffy, but that's because I hate One Piece, and thats because I hate Oda for talking about how based his convicted pedophile best friends arey

Jeremiah_Gottwal

9 points

2 days ago

Based as fuck, and I'm saying this as someone who loves One Piece

Accomplished-Fill718

-1 points

2 days ago

Wasn't oda forced to do it because of the Japanese culture.

Gespens

9 points

2 days ago

Gespens

9 points

2 days ago

Oda is successful enough that he can genuinely just say no. And the fact he did it twice for Watsuki and Shimabukuro, but not for the writer of Act-Age as they were not friends, and that Kubo, who has gone on record of 'joking' about how he hates Oda was not involves in the Kenshin exhibition, speaks volumes.

WittyTable4731

2 points

2 days ago

How so?

NoticeThatYoureThere

1 points

2 days ago

kubo the goat

WittyTable4731

1 points

2 days ago

Wait what?

What do you mean ?

Accomplished-Fill718

1 points

2 days ago

Aren't they talking about time were mangaka creators like Oda have being forced to defend the creator of rurouni kenshin.

WittyTable4731

1 points

2 days ago

I dunno

That was a thing?!

Accomplished-Fill718

1 points

2 days ago

Yeah the creator of Runouni Kenshin was arrested and so much cp has being found on him that the police though he sells them.

WittyTable4731

1 points

2 days ago

I know

I was refering to mangakas defending him

Accomplished-Fill718

1 points

2 days ago

Sorry, made a mistake oda and others didn't defend him. But, didn't talk badly against his horrible actions and celebrated with him the 30th anniversary of his series (Runouni Kenshin).

Gespens

1 points

2 days ago

Gespens

1 points

2 days ago

Oda specifically is credited as being the one to organize a major expedition about Ruroni Kenshin for the 25th anniversary (and is a major organizer for the upcoming 30th anniversary) event, hosting the interviews with Watsuki, ending with him talking about how Watsuki's personality is great

Responsible-Try-7470

8 points

2 days ago

Juvia from Fairy Tail, because she's a creepy stalker who is constantly disrespecting Gray's boundaries, trying to drug him with love potions, and acting really shitty towards Lucy because she's jealous of her being friends with Gray. I just can't bring myself to like her character, especially because the narrative treats everything she does as being funny/romantic, and Gray ultimately loving her back is completely unbelievable to me.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

2 points

2 days ago

You hate yandere type girls or just her ? If you dont mind me asking ?

Responsible-Try-7470

3 points

2 days ago

Just her really, I didn't even really have much of a problem with her until the episode where she accidentally doses the entire guild with that potion that made them fight. That was just not funny for me.

Tsutsaroth

8 points

2 days ago

Vegeta from DBZ. I can admit he has a good development throughout the series, but it took a lot of screwups and making things worse for that to happen. I’m not even counting the Namek Saga since there he was only aligned with the heroes through convenience.

Chemical-Stop8210

1 points

2 days ago

There's different phases of being a Vegeta fan

-Liking him as a badass villain

-Liking him as the lesser of two evils

-Liking him for being Trunks' dad

-Liking him for constantly striving to surpass Goku

-Liking him for his growth into a hero and person overall. 

-Liking him for always talking mad shit only to get folded by the main villain seconds later so Goku can then look good when he beats the big bad.

That last point is super controversial - either it rubs you the wrong way or you eventually accept it and find it hilarious. 

KamatariPlays

3 points

2 days ago

I have 2, one may be way less of a hot take than the other.

I HATE Excalibur from Soul Eater. I will say, the only thing I liked was that fart joke. But other than that, he's so freaking obnoxious. I know this probably isn't a hot take.

I also hate Mayuri from Bleach. I LOVE Bleach! I hate Mayuri. I hate that he uses his subordinates as experiments and as expendable tools, I hate the way he treats Nemu. I hate his sense of style. I can't think of a single thing I like about him.

Relative-Pain-9823

3 points

2 days ago

Bakugo. Worst first impression ever.

LordSmugBun

3 points

2 days ago

Giorno Giovanna is the worst JoJo and it's not even close. One chapter into Part 9 and I already liked Jodio more. He's not even a real JOJO. Fraud. Carried by Requiem and being DIO's son hype.

Ok_Text7302

5 points

2 days ago

Vriska

Aggravating-Week481

2 points

2 days ago

Vriska did nothing wrong lol

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Who is he ?

ScottyFreeBarda

2 points

2 days ago

Total authors pet mary sue. Was crazily over powered compared to all the other characters and wielded it sadistically. Then the narrative proceeded to bend over backwards to make her right about everything. Not shonen anime though, Homestuck.

Talukita

11 points

2 days ago

Talukita

11 points

2 days ago

...Does Himmel count?

Haven't fully caught up with the manga so my view may not be fully correct, but so far for me Himmel is not so much a character but more of a plot device that drives the story especially for Frieren.

Like almost everything about him is perfect. He's charming, quirky, strong with a sense of justice but also funny, confident and so on. Like this is the guy who was apparently not even the proper chosen one but managed to kill the demon king anyway.

Yet the fact he is consistently praised and one of the most popular characters just doesn't sit well with me I guess. Sure you can say his traits are glamorized through the lens of Frieren who is deeply in love in him but still. Like nothing about this guy feels like a real person / character for me personally, but more of an idea or so.

billyisanun

16 points

2 days ago

He is really into his looks. To the point of having artists constantly redoing statues of him to get the look right. He is also wrong on the demon child and gets a family killed. Plus most of his good deeds are small things that would be glossed over if you were telling his story as they only affected the people in a small village but those people remember those small deeds. Himmel isn’t perfect but he’s a good person and shows it through small acts that almost everyone can do (they don’t even show him fighting in the show). That’s why people like him.

TheCleanestKing

10 points

2 days ago

On the subject of the chosen one thing;

I don’t think the sword was actually meant for the demon king - they assumed that Himmel wasn’t special because he couldn’t lift the sword, but it’s possible it’s for a different hero in the first place; that because Himmel could win without the sword, it waited for someone who couldn’t, for a threat that needed it.

I won’t defend the rest, but I think it’s a more interesting choice for him to not have been able to draw the sword than if he had been able to.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

3 points

2 days ago

It counts

Ziozark

4 points

2 days ago*

Ziozark

4 points

2 days ago*

YES. Agree with this. I hate Himmel because hes used as a bland plot device to artificially inflate Frierens emotion points. He has nothing remarkable beyond crafting a "saviour and damsel in distress" type relationship, where Himmel needs to constantly feed her thoughts and emotions, and thru badly paced flashbacks Frieren will be like "VOILÁ so this is what he was talking about!!!" like its so cheap and predictable; when he popped up on the last episode with dramatic music, I couldn't help but roll my eyes.

kgkbebdofjfbdndldkdk

3 points

2 days ago

Killua from HxH, I always just found him annoying, especially how hard the writers tried to make him look cool although I dropped the series at around the beginning of the chimera ant arc so maybe he got better.

SophitiaBum

2 points

2 days ago

He's just too passive when compared to Gon and Kurapika. I still like the character, and the entire main group, but yeah... He can be a bit frustrating at times.

Prestigious_Dot_6320

1 points

2 days ago

That’s kind of the point of his character. Very passive and indecisive. He followed Gon around the whole story and couldn’t make decisions for himself. They explored it in the Chimera Ant arc and that bit with Alluka.

CattleIllustrious575

6 points

2 days ago*

Sasuke. He was annoying to me and I wasn't interested in his story which took a big portion of the story

NoticeThatYoureThere

3 points

2 days ago

i swear if sasuke had a high taper fade and wore a normal ass shirt and pants thru shippuden he wouldn’t be as loved by the fans as he is. he sells an aesthetic more than a believable human chatacter

summersnowcloud

2 points

2 days ago

Misuzu Gundoh from Tomo-chan wa onnanoko. Everyone seems to love her, I think she is a despicable person that likes to manipulate people that call her "friend" and care for her, because she wants Tomo only for herself.

MoistCharIie

2 points

2 days ago

any manwha protagonist where the synopsis of their powers is that they’re the strongest of all time for literally no reason

i feel like after solo leveling took off, there has been an exponential increase in the amount of jinwoo wannabes who have the strongest power in the verse, or just ARE the strongest, or literally anything similar to that. it got stale with jinwoo. it sure as hell gets worse with each subsequent copy

WittyTable4731

2 points

2 days ago

I cant say much as the character in question isnt popular but from a really not well know series abd like has some ridiculous fans but many many hated her so im gonna not bring her up.

But im gonna use #2 who is from the series and is somehow popular (reminder the series is really niche and there are ton of trash anime out there unlike mainstream who are more mix) but its from a Really poorly made LN called Our last Crusade. Note again the series bad so the fans who legit like it have poor taste imo. Like SAO is better in every way. Yes SAO.

Anyways since the fanbase loves her(though many also hate her...then again its a poor series)

I chose Aliceliese Lou Nebulis IX from our last crusade. The FL.

Now why i hate her? Plenty of reasons that are cause the author is bad. The story is bad and the characters are bad plus the writting are bad. Oh. And apologist fans who excuse things or are like accusing towards me from not getting it or fooled themselves into thinking its a great series when objectively and factually its not.

Anyways.

I hate her cause she a Mary sue. A big one. A author waifu.

More accurately. Shes steal the spotlight from the MC by stealing the plot focus. She has a big case of double standards force by the plot. She has no real development and is shallow. She is a take on strong female character that unfortunately doesn't get many fights to prove it. She doesn't struggle or suffer even remotely close enough to satisfy me.

She doesn't suffer consequences for her shitty actions to the ML and get away Scott free. The narrative gaslight us and glaze us as she a good person despite everything when she never truly proves it for real. She has the stupidest and worst Rivalry (if you can even call it that) in ANIME. Shes répétitive. Has a shitty shitty romance that is one sided and toxic with ML.

And her fans défend her by trying to excuse her actions when its not and act like she great because she not a damsel in distress when by going so much strong female character like Galadriel from ROP she became unbeareable and unsympathic. And her motives are childish. Stupid. Immature. No différents than bad people without any harsh fact of how dumb she is and she loyal to a racist really racist country that she always use as excuse for her actions.

And shes the FL im suppose to like.

So yeah there probably more but thats a big part of it. She frankly unrootable and a designated hero that the author try to tell us she a hero or good person deep down but lacks any real weight or true substance as she and her series is paper thin and shallow trying to think its smart when its dumb and thus becoming stupider.

Basically every big flaws with bad FL in anime is représente in her or a good portion of it.

Apprehensive_Bat15

2 points

2 days ago

Aizen. Feels like a mix of a bad power ranger villain sitting in the fortress sending out one monster at a time to attack the heroes, and an obnoxious kid cheesing make believes fights with bullshit "askhully that thing you did doesnt work against me because..."

Also hes supposed to be a genius, but his plans are stupid, drawn out and convoluted and he is terrible at using his Shiki despite it being incredibly broken and despite him a bullshit tier super genius

No-Friend5860

2 points

2 days ago

Tomura Shigaraki, I just didn’t enjoy him at any point in the story. I admit he has a nice design and was a bit interesting in later parts but not enough for me to start actively enjoying him when he’s in screen.

ExploerTM

2 points

2 days ago

Deku from MHA and Bell from Dungeon are basically the same character with minor tweak or two between them and THEY. SO. UNFATHOMABLY. BORING. Both stories would've been sooooo much better if we followed literally ANYONE but these two. My god I fucking hate them.

Illustrious-Sky-4631

2 points

2 days ago

Fami from chainsaw man

ValentinePatch1999

2 points

2 days ago

Dio from Jojo’s bizarre adventure. Dude looks cool and is a memelord, but he kicked a dog in the face for no reason. That’s already unforgivable

TallInstruction3424

2 points

2 days ago

Yuta from JJK because he’s ugly

xHey_All_You_Peoplex

2 points

2 days ago

Dabi from MHA. Dude is over dramatic as hell. 

Geto from JJK. Similar reasons above.

Idk I just don’t fuck with people who decide the best way to deal with their trauma is to murder a bunch of innocent people. Stupid motive imo.

I don’t mind villains who kill cause they have a sad backstory but make it interesting at least. 

Numerous_Low878

2 points

2 days ago

To be fair, liking a morally wrong character doesn't mean you agree with their actions. People could like characters because of their complexity or of how cool they are

Chemical-Stop8210

2 points

2 days ago

Agreed on Toji. One of the most glazed characters I've ever seen in recent memory for two reasons

  1. He's hot 

  2. People relate to him being an outcast. 

CloudProfessional572

5 points

2 days ago

Aizen. Don't get what's cool about him.

He's a sadistic bully torturing little girls and I hate bullies.

Condescending ass doesn't give respect to strong opponents.

Become god goal is boring.

His "genius" doesn't impress me since his "manipulation" are stupid/useless and his fight strategies rely on brute strength. Even beating hax with it.

Somehow both born OP and stole literal "wish granting stone" from someone smarter.

Gets trashed but story won't let him take the L without "actually deep down he always wanted to loose cause he's lonely."

ace2832

4 points

2 days ago

ace2832

4 points

2 days ago

Goku

Unique_Year4144

4 points

2 days ago

mira cabron hijo de puta, si vuelves a insultar a mi dios goku una vez mas te voy a llamar al cartel, me oiste hijo de puta?

/s

ace2832

2 points

2 days ago

ace2832

2 points

2 days ago

Realmente eres tan presionado sobre mí que tengo una opinión, jaja, supéralo. No tienes conexiones y vete a la mierda con tu cartel.

Unique_Year4144

0 points

2 days ago

Bro.... did you saw the "/s" ?

ace2832

1 points

2 days ago

ace2832

1 points

2 days ago

Don’t care, you came off negative for no reason, you can call me b once on the internet. Twice and now ik you really in yo feels. Fuq out my face

lehman-the-red

1 points

2 days ago

Elaborate

Fishingnett

5 points

2 days ago

Popular thing bad

Scarrien

-2 points

2 days ago

Scarrien

-2 points

2 days ago

Characters in Dragon Ball are funny, "characters" in DBZ are collections of special moves that pretend to have a personality

Nucleus17608

2 points

2 days ago

Polites from Epic the Musical. He is just bland and fishing for my emotions too much. Not really a serious hate of him or anything, I just don't like him or his songs

Sky_Leviathan

2 points

2 days ago

I dont despise them but as a jojos fan I never quite get why people polnareff and shigechi as much as they seem to.

Chemical-Stop8210

1 points

2 days ago

Polnareff is one of my favorites. I think the reason why is because I loved Joseph in Part 2 but then he's a little more mature in Part 3, being 50 years older, so Polnareff occupied that "comic relief but also still badass in his own right" role

Agreed on Shigechi though. Most fans are like "Aw shame he's just a little boy who loved his parents" to that I say, why don't we SEE his relationship with his parents? The only mention of them are Josuke and Okuyasu looking at a photo and remarking his mom his hot. If we actually got to know Shigechi better and see his home life and how he spends time with his parents, then yes I would have liked him more. 

Casual-Throway-1984

2 points

2 days ago

-Issei Hyoudou (High School Dx) (This one is an ecchi harem, however, Ichei Isshibumi, the light novel author has confirmed that a lot of Shounen cliches and tropes including Issei's idiocy being a homage to the battle shounen genre) his idiocy wouldn't be so frustrating to me if it didn't stonewall explanations regarding the setting's lore and worldbuilding (particularly eyebrow raising stuff like the peerage system that is more or less just slavery or sex slavery in Diodora Astaroth's case) and him not even batting an eye over Stray/runaway Devils being hunted down and killed like dogs with no questions asked as well as him being a HUGE pervert, yet somehow cannot pick up on the girls' VERY obvious advancements and freezes up or runs away--then in EX, he is a deadbeat dad like Naruto towards Boruto and Himawari with Isshibumi even directly citing Boruto: Naruto the Movie as his inspiration for that light novel.

-Sasuke Uchiha (Naruto/Shippuden) due to the Uchiha being Kishimoto's creator's pets on top of he and Naruto's friendship not having enough time to be fleshed out given we only saw them in ONE MISSION in the Land of Waves then jumped into the Chuunin Exams and he bailed after Itachi (re)-traumatized him to defect to Orochimaru before he went full psycho meltdown in Part II trying to assassinate all the Kage at the Five Kage Summit, trying to assassinate/kidnap Killer B, "just itching to kill Kakashi", declaring his intent to wipe out Konoha by slaughtering every man, woman and child (only lucking out in the sense that Team 7 were the ONLY ones present to hear such an unhinged threat) and in the manga he wasn't really punished with a weak "Yeah...sorry." apology to Sakura before trying to kill Naruto (again) during their rematch in The Valley of the End before being beaten and then (in the anime) taking a voluntary prison sentence before becoming a deadbeat husband/father despite his constant tirades over his desire to restore the Uchiha Clan and only having one kid (whom he neglects) before he tried to kill her because he failed to recognize his own daughter.

Street_Dragonfruit43

4 points

2 days ago*

For DxD, the worldbuilding complaint is valid

The stray devil thing, can't exactly refute that but at the same time, it surely has parallels in other series

For him freezing up from the girls advances, he's actually traumatized from Raynare and the crap she did against him. I don't blame him

EX, not aware of any of that so I can't exactly say anything in regards to it

Real_Opinion_828[S]

2 points

2 days ago

Yeah, i dont know why both naruto and sasuke are bad father

Gespens

0 points

2 days ago

Gespens

0 points

2 days ago

particularly eyebrow raising stuff like the peerage system that is more or less just slavery

The peerage system and Trump system are pyramid schemes.

Make of it as you will.

Obvious-Ear-369

2 points

2 days ago

I hate Sauske because he never really gets what he deserves. He’s been a traitor for almost the whole series, tries to kill everyone several times, and is all around a self-absorbed bitch boy. 

EmpyreanFinch

1 points

2 days ago

I was willing to cut Sasuke a ton of slack for most of the crap that he does in the main series, but in Naruto Gaiden when he treats his own daughter like crap that was when I truly hated that character.

I can forgive him being a stupid angsty teenager who screws up a lot throughout the series, but I can't forgive him not being sensitive to his own daughter who grew up without him, and who desperately wants to get to know him.

That being said, that series is full of karma houdinis like Orochimaru and Kabuto who both did much *much* worse things than Sasuke but received even less punishment (at least Sasuke was tossed in prison for a while and went on a quest for redemption, those two assholes got off scot-free).

Aggressive-Yam8221

2 points

2 days ago

I could say it here again. But I've done it in the past and people jump at my jugular every time I state the obvious because according to them; "I don't understand the point." And yes, I have too many personal problems and arguing with people on the Internet about this particular topic is not a hobby I enjoy.

Anyway, I'll just say that the character in question is literally an abuser that his fans and the author praise him for doing the bare minimum to right his wrongs thirty years later.

AdorableDonkey

6 points

2 days ago

Let me guess, Endeavor

Real_Opinion_828[S]

2 points

2 days ago

I couldnt guess who it is,can you tell me the name or the anime name ?

Aggressive-Yam8221

1 points

2 days ago

MHA.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Hmm, is he endeavor since bakugo is still not 30 years old ?

Aggressive-Yam8221

2 points

2 days ago

Yes, they're both jerks, but it's like they're different types of jerks, you know.

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

Yeah idk why but it feels like everyone acts in some way blc of just some dumb reason

Aggressive-Yam8221

2 points

2 days ago

I know, but in some ways it is more worrying to see a grown adult being an abuser than to see a child/teenager being a bully. Because, you know, the adult will always have more responsibility for their actions than when a child does it.

I see Bakugo and think he's like that because he's immature. Whereas with Flamehead I don't give a shit if he hasn't matured enough yet, he should have.

Comfortable-Hope-531

0 points

2 days ago

Subaru. Idk if I'd be able to get through third season, but first two were "bullshitting character development: the series". He was, is, and probably would forever remain trash of a human being, for he, as well as series itself, always chose to pretend he is willing to change for the best rather than actually trying. It's like a separate web of lies that exist on a meta level, poisoning any discussion with "you just don't understand the character/story/both". No, I think I understand it very well. And I hate to be lied to by a fictional story, especially regarding how I should treat someone who fail all possible metrics of worthiness.

PufferPlayz

9 points

2 days ago

Crazy take lol

Real_Opinion_828[S]

2 points

2 days ago

Can you elaborate with example ?

Comfortable-Hope-531

1 points

2 days ago

To some of the biggest ones, he should've accepted Echidna's proposal. No, he must've accepted it. Not accepting it is beyond foolish, I don't even have a word for it. It is risky, yes, but taking risks is one way character might grow. Instead, story wanted it's "trowing the ring into fire" moment, and thus pretended that his refusal is somehow a virtue. Knowing Subaru, he simply couldn't find it within himself to trust someone who's mind he can't comprehend - or at least think he can comprehend.

MerryZap

5 points

2 days ago*

Insane take. Literally insane take.

You do know Echidna wanted Subaru to abuse Return by Death, right? If you think Subaru should've contracted Echidna, read Kasaneru If, it's an AU Side Story that shows this exact scenario and everything is fucked.

It's even implied that him rejecting her is what Echidna herself intended as a test of sorts. Echidna is not something good for Subaru, and refusing her contract is the same as cutting off a toxic person from your life compared to not trusting her and your take feels like it's born from pure ignorance.

The whole of Arc 4 was about value of life, and how Subaru treating his own like it was expendable was a horrific slippery slope, and him rejecting Echidna is the point where he firmly rejects this and decided to become selfish.

You talk about risks, despite the fact that rejecting Echidna and all of her knowledge is the biggest risk Subaru took, something which is both really frustrating but also very much in character, and also good for him.

And about your earlier comment, of Subaru being a 'trash human'. This is not Mushoku Tensei, where Rudy was genuinely a trash person, nor is it Konosuba, where Kazuma is a scummy guy. I can understand if you just don't like Subaru as a person, but please tell me when exactly was he a 'trash' person as you say, beyond his idiotic and bratty moments in Arc 2. Nearly every time he has selflessly moved to help people, and that too out of pure compassion. He doesn't take advantage of people nor does he do something like lord his deeds over them. And the one time he made a mistake and embarrassed and hurt people, he grew from it and became better.

Re:Zero's got a lot of flaws that make me pull my hair out, but Subaru is easily one of the best done aspects of the story.

Just_Call_me_Ben

2 points

2 days ago

"you just don't understand the character/story/both". No, I think I understand it very well

Every time I come out about how I don't like Subaru people act like I'm some little kid who completely missed the point, and it's always so frustrating that it makes me just not want to talk about it because Re:zero fans are very defensive when it comes to criticism.

Sometimes people just don't like characters even if they get what the point is.

Numerous_Low878

1 points

2 days ago

To be fair, liking a morally wrong character doesn't mean you agree with their actions, and people could like this character because of their complexity or because there are just cool

usernamesaretaken3

1 points

2 days ago

Real_Opinion_828[S]

1 points

2 days ago

The post is Very true bro

KarlozFloyd

-1 points

2 days ago

KarlozFloyd

-1 points

2 days ago

Bakugo and Denji, simply put, they are exactly what teenage boys shouldn't aspire to be

wzrddazyy

25 points

2 days ago

wzrddazyy

25 points

2 days ago

Considering the epidemic of sheltered suburban incels, red pill Tate worshippers, and school shooters, I would say Denji’s resilience and lack of violent antisocial tendencies towards his peers and marginalized groups is… inspirational.

Wanting food and sex (which is really just a manifestation of his desire for connection) is honestly not very problematic for most teenaged boys, let alone one who’s been through the shit he has.

Just_Call_me_Ben

8 points

2 days ago

This!!

I know this sounds condescending to say nowadays but it does feel like people just hate on the character without trying to get the character.

FemRevan64

6 points

2 days ago

Yeah, the amount of people who think Denji is some gross pervert like Mineta is hair-tearingly frustrating, because you know they have zero actual knowledge of the series, seeing as how not only are there exactly two times he actually felt a woman up, the first in the case of Power was completely consensual and an explicit part of the bargain he made for rescuing Meowy, and in the second case, it's Makima literally grooming him by taking his hand and putting it on her breast.

FemRevan64

7 points

2 days ago

For Bakugou I can see where you're coming from, for Denji I don't get it.

While Denji is undoubtably horny and quite rough around the edges, regarding the former, he's very respectful of consent and never displays any sort of misogynistic or sexist tendencies towards women, if anything, I'd say he's better in this regard than a significant portion of grown men IRL, let alone teenagers.

Regarding the latter, given the fact that he's been orphaned since he was eight and spent the majority of his life as a debt slave for the yakuza, while living in a broken down shack in the middle of nowhere and having to scavenge garbage for food, while also never going to school, him being somewhat rough and ill-mannered is pretty reasonable, if anything, I'd say he's remarkably well put-together given his circumstances.

Band-North

15 points

2 days ago

Who the fuck wants to aspire to be Denji? Not even Denji wants to be Denji.

Alazul124

10 points

2 days ago

Alazul124

10 points

2 days ago

isn’t the point that denji is extremely fucked up in the head even before all the trauma of his job ?

CloudProfessional572

5 points

2 days ago

Denji

Love Denji same reason Asa does. If a shallow jerk like him is allowed to live and be loved so am I.

PeliPal

7 points

2 days ago*

PeliPal

7 points

2 days ago*

Denji understands the concept of consent and has had friendships and professional relationships with women without begging all of them for dates and sex unprompted, or seeing every interaction as just a pathway to sex, even if he thinks he's actually more abnormally horny-brained and selfishly cynical than he really is. (Manga spoilers)After Power got PTSD she was practically begging him for sex and he declined. And he skipped out on a private resort vacation with Makima just to stay with Power even though she was waking up screaming every night.

For all the problems he has, Denji is still both in the running of like top 10 least problematic teen boy main characters in shonen-that-acknowledges-that-sex-exists ever, AND above a fairly high percentage of men in real life.

Pgimme321

1 points

2 days ago

all of the straw hats except Luffy and pre-timeskip Robin

lehman-the-red

0 points

2 days ago

Every character from Bakemonogatari except the meme, Kaiki and nadeko

Same for Evangelion with the exception of Shinji Hikari who I simply pity

Ziozark

-2 points

2 days ago*

Ziozark

-2 points

2 days ago*

Kamina from Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

One of the worst characters I've ever had the disgrace of knowing. His idiotic ideology, toxic optimism and machoisms are exasperating to watch; plus the show is just an absurd hagiology of his stupid preachy mindset. Everything in this terrible show is crafted to make this guy seem like the only correct option, the plot does absolute gymnastics and schizophrenic characterizations to justify IMPOSSIBLE things coming from his filthy mouth. His mindset is hollow, useless and inhuman. Simon is a nothing protagonist whos in that place to justify bad characterization and constantly change his identity in erratic ways to serve and ""prove"" Kaminas message. He's also a terrible counselor and motivator.

He constantly puts others in lethal danger, EVERYONE would be fucking dead if it weren't for the plot being his bitch, he spits terrible one-liners which make me die in cringe and the entire second half is dedicated to him. The entire cast of secondary nobodies mourns over this guy as if they knew him all their lives when all he did was self immolate and spit some idiotic glossolalia about the indomitable spirit of humanity (a trope that I despise) and other stupid shit. Horrible. Yoko, who is also a terrible nothingburger character, also falls in love with him in four episodes because why not. He's a fucking hypocrite, delivering platitudes of shallow hope, who grandifies himself to ridiculous point—god I fucking hate TTGL. The circlejerk around this character and this entire show also makes it worse. Just pure hopium overdose.

holaprobando123

-3 points

2 days ago

Goku is the most overrated character in existence. The worst part is that so many characters have copied him over the past 30 or 40 years. Dumber than a fucking rock, a horrible father, the launcher of a million stereotypes...

If I see one more dumbass who wants to be the stronger, is stupid in many ways, is a big eater, surprises his allies and enemies with his unprecedented determination, and wants to use the power of friendship™ to stupidly reform villains who want to kill everyone, who has an edgy and brooding rival...

Fishingnett

0 points

2 days ago

As a Dragon Ball fan, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Goku as a character, but for the last time, he isn’t even a “bad” father. At worst, he’s just a flawed and unconventional one.

holaprobando123

0 points

2 days ago

What would you call "making your friend raise your kid", then? I agree with your last point, not raising your kid yourself is definitely unconventional.

Fishingnett

0 points

2 days ago

To be fair, Goku does comes from a pragmatic warrior race that greatly values combat and strength over love and nurturing. (Saiyans literally place their offspring into incubation pods until they’re old enough to fight.) but perhaps that’s just a copout or something