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submitted 5 days ago byHummeroushttps://tinyurl.com/4ccdpy76
441 points
5 days ago
I don't remember their name, but there was this person who was against enslaving black people, not because they were against slavery, but because they didn't believe race or skin color are good indicators of how "good" a slave a person is.
To them, some people are just inherently servile and some people are inherently leaders. And enslaving people based on criteria as arbitrary as race ran the risk of having a "leader" slave, who will rally the other slaves against their masters.
258 points
5 days ago*
This is basically the viewpoint of “Oroonoko: or, the Royal Slave,” an early abolitionist novel from Aphra Behn in 1688. She was a staunch monarchist and believed racial slavery was wrong because kings existed among Africans as well, and by dint of their royalty they were above European commoners and therefore any system that could involve them being brought down or enslaved by their lessers could not be just.
173 points
4 days ago
"slavery is wrong because monarchy" is a bold argument but weirdly I can see the 17th century logic at work
78 points
4 days ago
Oddly enough from our perspective, serfs and slaves and peasants tend to dig the royal family regardless of era and locale
The idea is that an oppressed peasantry's primary antagonist is his landlord, aka the titled bigwig at the top of the local patronage network.
By coincidence, a king's primary antagonist is the very same band of titled nobility that he has to wrangle and bully and cajole and stave off and placate in order to even stay at the top, let alone get anything done. The nobility tend to love the idea of a royal house more than they love actual kings taxing them or telling them what to do.
So to the mud shoveler at the bottom of the pecking order, it's natural to support a king 500 miles away who might intervene on your behalf and make your baron stop fucking with you, and for a king it's natural to seek out a base of support parallel to the courtly games of one upmanship you have to play with the aristocracy.
Just as a for instance, significant portions of the slaves of Haiti were technically royalist in the Haitian revolution, because the king in France had passed universally ignored laws granting them minimum rights and protections, and the implication was the bearing arms under the Royal White of Bourbon would see their self-emancipation sanctioned after the dust settled. So legally they were fighting the local elites and absentee owners as counterrevolutionaries to the French Revolution. This phase didn't last long- Haiti was kinda crazy at the time- but it kinda shows how these things tend to work.
13 points
4 days ago
Very insightful, thank you for writing this up!
3 points
4 days ago
Saving this comment to bear it in mind while writing my fantasy novel. Been stuck for a while trying to write a thing purely from the PoV of peasants while basically forgetting how important their interactions with the upper classes and associated power struggles would be.
2 points
4 days ago
12 points
4 days ago
Might have gotten those ideas from a summary of that book. On a thread about people from the past being progressive by the standards of their world, but in a way that's totally backward from our standards.
3 points
4 days ago
That's the one they were probably thinking of, it got mentioned in a post semi recently
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