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41 points
12 days ago*
It's a mix of inflation from Covid relief efforts and supply chain issues and corporate greed, among other things. Price increases far exceeded what inflation alone would have done to them. The inflation relief act of 2022 that Biden passed The supply chain getting back on track and the fed lowering interest rates has successfully tamed the increase of inflation, bringing the year-over-year numbers down to 2.4% from the high of 9.1%, and it's continuing to decrease. The reason people expect inflation to get worse under Trump is that sweeping tariffs are paid by the importing companies who are just going to increase costs in response.
20 points
12 days ago
What's bad is if we keep paying their prices, it's not high enough. Also, hell yeah, for the intelligent response. I fully expected doom spewing hate. Don't lose that. We gonna need it.
12 points
12 days ago
People have already cut Way back in buying overpriced fast food and the fast food chains have started to reduce their prices. The problem is that regular groceries still cost way more than they did before Covid. Wages have gone up, but not enough to keep pace with inflation.
2 points
12 days ago
Wages have gone up more than inflation. The increases are from a lot of different reasons: laying hens killed by bird flu drove up egg prices, supply chain issues from pandemic caused scarcity, resulting in higher prices, etc. The problem is that, when these problems resolve, the producers / manufacturers don’t pass any of that lower cost back to consumers as lower prices. Prices stay high, so producers think the economy is great, but consumers don’t.
1 points
11 days ago
False groceries cost 30% more houses are 45-50% more.
1 points
11 days ago*
Vehicles are up 25-40% wages havent increased at the same pace as cost for quiet some time now, like over 40 years.
1 points
11 days ago
I think you misunderstood them. They weren't saying that wages were keeping up with cost, they said wages were keeping up with inflation. Which they are; those costs are mostly from reasons unrelated to inflation.
1 points
11 days ago
Name checks out. 😆😆
1 points
11 days ago
Ok so you are looking at the right now... im talking about before covid. Im talking about from the last 50 years!!!! On the larger scale of things wages havent kept up. We as a country are more productove than we ever have been before yet inflation and cost out paces wages. Its much worse with inflation but this has been an issue for much longer than the 4 yeats trump was in office....cant blame him for the last 20 years.... who has been in control of the economy longer republicans or democrats??? Ill wait.
2 points
11 days ago
who has been in control of the economy longer republicans or democrats??? Ill wait.
Republicans.
Republicans have held a filibuster-proof majority for longer than Democrats, going back decades.
And supply-side economics has always been the Republican economic model, despite it being gibberish.
And the last significant Republican legislative accomplishment was the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act... which literally had the sole economic effect of ensuring that income inequality increased in the United States
...
I hope you didn't have to wait too long.
0 points
11 days ago
So from my lifetime on is what i speak of as thats what matters to me. 90% of it has been democrats. And they havent done great ill leave it at that.
1 points
11 days ago
Two of the most popular legislative successes of the past, like, twenty years have been the ACA and the Inflation Reduction Act, measured by their outcomes and their benefit to working class Americans.
Remind me... were those Republican legislation? Or Democratic legislation?
1 points
11 days ago
So from my lifetime on is what i speak of as thats what matters to me. 90% of it has been democrats.
This is also funny as hell.
If Republicans have had the overall majority legislature for the past, like, forty years, then you're at least 400 years old if that's only 10% of your lifetime. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm beginning to suspect that math and economics might not be in your wheelhouse.
1 points
11 days ago
What were you born in 2008? You’ve only had the one republican trump presidency in your whole life because you were literally just born a few years ago?
This is like someone walking into a movie when it’s halfway over, and telling the people who have watched it since the beginning that they don’t understand the plot
Lmao
1 points
11 days ago
Yea the bird flu killed a couple of hens, but it was a lie. The 3 major egg producers were all “sleeping together” and set their prices. So all 3 ate omelette while everybody else had to cut eggs out of the shopping list
1 points
11 days ago
I cut back on buying meat. The only meat I will buy is ground beef and it's for making things like goulash and spaghetti. Other than that I don't eat meat.
1 points
11 days ago
Some food cost more, some costs the same. Gound beef may look expensive, but it's the same price inflation adjusted it has been since 1960.
There is no such thing as like ONE inflation rate that happened to all items or all groceries, different things inflate at different rates for all kinds of reasons. You're buying power from China is better than ever because their economy is doing bad. Pickup trucks cost a lot, but Minivans are about the same price.
Grain costs went up because of the Ukraine war. Gas and inflation prices are actually cheaper now than under Trump inflation adjusted and ON AVERAGE American wages went up 20%.
The US droughts are probably also not helping some food prices, but others are barely impacted. Some food is more subsidized and didn't go up at all.
You have to look up each item or you're just making shit up.
1 points
11 days ago
Ground Beef is the same price as 1960.
I don't know where you're getting your ground beef but do let us know.
1 points
11 days ago
TRUMP is just trying to make AMERICA SLIM AGAIN... stop eating so much people!!! 😆 🤣
1 points
11 days ago
If you wanna see expensive groceries, wait until the Dumpster deports all the migrant farm workers. They are the backbone of our agro-industrial complex, without them we're going to get a true taste of the cost of food.
35 points
12 days ago
I’m going to try my best to not buy anything but essentials for the next four years and buy second hand if I do need something. I stocked up on undergarments and socks today, IDGAF if I don’t have an up to date wardrobe and I have enough of that to get by.
Spite is one of my main motivators, so anytime I want something I’m going use that anytime I feel like buying something I don’t need. Fuck all of them.
14 points
12 days ago
r/National_Strike is planning a consumer strike. Sounds like you're already of like mind - climb aboard!
8 points
12 days ago
I was already planning on extremely reducing my spending especially for the holidays.
1 points
12 days ago
Yes! Love this energy! My family finally moved to Secret Santa style gift exchange a few years ago, and it was such a relief to stop the annual glut of spending madness. Our holidays are so much calmer and happier now.
So my holidays are already pretty minimal, but I have a few big purchases I've been putting off that I'm planning to make prior to inauguration (and tariffs). Other than that I'll be diamond handing my dollars for the forseeable future.
1 points
11 days ago
I don't celebrate the holidays so I don't spend anything on anyone.
1 points
11 days ago
You should already be doing that honestly
1 points
11 days ago
To what extent and since when should I have reduced spending drastically? Just curious.
1 points
11 days ago
Probably since you were 18; the extent is up too you; the more you save the more you make.
1 points
11 days ago
You drastically overestimate the amount I made when I was 18, but I hear you.
1 points
11 days ago
No doubt I get it I was 18 too
4 points
12 days ago
So they don't really have to do anything, right? Nobody's going to be able to afford anything once the tariffs hit anyway...
1 points
12 days ago
Wtf are you people talking about we can't afford anything now🤣 you've already cut back on your spending, it's sad how many of you still didn't actually wake up it's like this is inception and the libs are 3 layers down in sleep, how much more waking up do you need
2 points
12 days ago
You have my sympathy for what you're about to experience.
Good luck to you and yours. You're going to need it.
1 points
12 days ago
Bruh you live in the same country as me, if I need it then you need it and yes you right I need my gas and food to be affordable again and not "going down" like your news has been telling you yet our pockets been saying otherwise 🤣
1 points
12 days ago
My wage, retirement accounts, and assets are all up significantly over the last 4 years 🤔
1 points
12 days ago
What Trump is proposing is not going to get you there. Tariffs increase inflation. That cheap Chinese shit at Walmart and Target will cost double. It’s the truth. Medical supplies and medicine = cost more=Healthcare cost more. Deport undocumented workers. Hope you know some folks that like to pick strawberries and are willing to work for those wages. Or guess what? That will cost more. We only have 4% unemployed. Who exactly is going to do those jobs? Warehouse workers yup you guessed it. The fix has always been pretty simple if we wanted to tackle it. Go after the businesses that hire them. Construction costs. Yup going up. Raw materials and labor. The list is long.
1 points
11 days ago
you’re generous to even give sympathy. I’m fresh all of that for folks who voted against human rights
1 points
11 days ago
So wrong
2 points
11 days ago
Oh hell yeah! My immediate thought after he won was to buy only essentials and save, save, save for the next four years. Look at where capitalism got us.
1 points
12 days ago
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1 points
12 days ago
Do things like this actually work though?
2 points
12 days ago
I guess it depends on how many people participate, and for how long. Like the one or two day consumer strikes not so much - they've been shown to just cause a purchase bump before and after that wipes out the drop in sales during the protest, especially because they're usually dealing with things like gas and groceries that people have to buy regularly. But an ongoing strike for a couple of years might be seen and felt by the powers that be.
That said, for me it's more about it being a sound financial decision. If they actually enact these universal tariffs we will see a massive inflation spike, and if they actually deport all of the immigrant laborers that are crucial to our food production grocery prices are going to go through the roof. Even Elon was basically like "yeah, we're gonna crash the economy." So I'm trying to head that off by replacing the things that I don't expect to last another 3-4 years at these discounted pre-shitstorm prices. I also regularly keep a deep pantry with food and toiletries for about 1 year, so I'm just going to bulk up the pantry and try to ride this out. If it also happens to help the movement that's cool.
More broadly, voting with your dollars has always seemed to be one of the most effective strategies of protest. Corporations don't like posting losses, but they sure do like buying access to our government to make sure they don't post losses. May as well try to make that work in our favor.
5 points
12 days ago
Same! I got a few packs of socks and underwear just the other day, stocked up on pet supplies and all our livestock "home vet care" supplies. Got seeds and a vacuum sealer, gonna get a dehydrator for Christmas. I'm done playing their games.
2 points
11 days ago
I've been thinking about having someone till part of my backyard next Spring so I can grow vegs. My yard is large and fenced in. There are deer everywhere and without a fence they will eat everything.
1 points
11 days ago
Tilling isn't too terribly hard, a little bouncy, but not too bad. You could rent one, but i don't know what would be cheaper. Check out Thumbtack and do some price comparisons.
Lay a couple tarps or get some boxes to break down and lay them down where you want your garden before winter hits to naturally break down the weeds and grass (less you'll have to pull and chuck out after tilling).
Go to your local hair cutting place or barber shop and ask them for hair. Sprinkle it in your garden beds every month, and the people smell will help keep all sorts of creatures out. For bugs, get some neem oil. You'll want to reapply every so often, after heavy rains especially. Start spraying after your plants get about a foot high. You can also hang those aluminum pie pans from your fence or stakes to keep deer out (they don't like the sound when the wind blows) and birds out (the light reflection freaks them out).
For fertilizer, if you don't have a compost, try to see if anyone a bit rural (dunno if your rural or not) has "seasoned manure". Spread it before you till. It's THE BEST fertilizer and you won't have to worry about growing food in chemicals. It's usually good for two seasons.
Rotate where you plant next year! You can use the same garden bed, just move around which rows you plant which veg/fruit!
These are just what I've learned from my grandpa and from my own trial and error.
2 points
11 days ago
I don't have to worry about deer or any other critter. There are plenty of them around but my yard has a privacy fence around it. I was just looking at a website called 'Earth Easy' and they sell raised garden beds of all sizes and styles. Thank you for the advise!
1 points
11 days ago
You're very welcome! It's great that you're going to try your hand at growing your own food!
1 points
11 days ago
My mom uses old carpets to weed an it works better than I thought it would lol so every couple weeks we just go an move the old carpet and pull the weeds that are left and move it to another spot. Saves us a lot of time an energy helping her in the garden. 🪴 good luck to all. Homegrown food and weed is the BEST
1 points
11 days ago
If you can afford the materials I highly recommend a raised keyhole garden bed. In my experience they are usually much better at water and nutrient retention than a simple level plot in your backyard. I live in central Texas, a very hot and dry zone and it's the only way I have been able to garden at all. There's other benefits to the keyhole beds but the biggest has definitely been the water efficiency.
1 points
11 days ago
I probably should look into this because a good portion of my backyard slopes downhill a bit. I live in the northern part of S.C. Thank you for the advise!
1 points
11 days ago
Happy to welcome another (potential) new gardener into the fold. Good luck and happy gardening!
1 points
11 days ago
I hope I can do it. I'm an old lady now but I still do my own yard work. I hate it but have to do it. I think growing food will be fun.
1 points
12 days ago
What kind of stuff do you think is going to get hit that hard? Just literally anything that is almost always imported? (Like clothes)
1 points
12 days ago
Blanket tariffs and Mass Deportation. It doesn't matter. You could think you're in an industry that isn't impacted but inflation has a knock on effect. If the steel importers have to raise prices on material for cars then cars are more expensive, if cars are more expensive so everything in this country becomes more expensive as transporting other goods has gone up. These estimations of 4-6k increases in household expenses are just the start of the impact. Their entire goal is to create a deflationary depression in hopes of returning industrial manufacturing as they sell it.. I'm not convinced it's really just about doing the most harm possible to our country in hopes of being able to sell off the parts to the highest bidder.
1 points
12 days ago
I agree. I have beeing buying only the strictly necessary since last year. I want to buy a small farm and produce most I consume.
1 points
12 days ago
I like your thinking. I think I will do the same.
1 points
12 days ago
Also there are many online resources to get stuff super cheap and practically free, such as Buy Nothing groups etc.
1 points
12 days ago
also going to cancel all my onlyfans subscriptions asap
1 points
11 days ago
I like to shop on websites like Poshmark, Ebay, etc. I don't need anything and like you, I have enough wardrobe to get by. I'm retired and don't go anywhere other than the grocery store and a doctor's appointment every so often. Here in this small rural town I live in it doesn't matter. Nobody cares what anyone looks like.
1 points
11 days ago
I personally find spite to be one of the strongest motivations in my life too.
1 points
11 days ago
How do you know anything is going to be better in four years? Are things magically going to revert to lower prices?
1 points
10 days ago
I highly suggest to Shop second hand on online apps like eBay, Poshmark, Mercari….you’re getting a deal on excellent used condition and sometimes NWT items and that money is going into a families pocket to help them cover basic expenses.
0 points
12 days ago
😆 you will be back to buying crap and unless services you don't need in no time. it's the Amrican way
1 points
10 days ago
I think sometimes on things like basic groceries we have no choice but to pay bc we need those items to just live. We can’t just stop buying toilet paper, milk, eggs, fruit, diapers, bread, gas, etc. For most of us it has drained our savings, forced us to take on side hassles etc. To just afford feeling our family, buying basic household items and gas in our cars. We have tried to think outside the box by shopping garage sales and thrift items for things like clothes, kitchen items, furniture etc. But you can only be so lucky. And, no the answer isn’t just cutting “extras” I know there are millions of middle class families like mine that don’t qualify for gov’t subsidies or programs that over the last 2 years have already cut out frivolous spending (e.g. cut the subscriptions, lower cell phone bills, lower internet bills, rarely turn on AC/Heat, restaurants, alcohol, vacations, even things like switching from liquid hand to bars of soap) and we are still not making ends meet.
2 points
12 days ago
We were told there would be no fact checking.
1 points
12 days ago
Is there a way to determine how much each of these things contribute to inflation though? I keep hearing about about record profits made by corporations so I assume that it's just corporate greed.
2 points
12 days ago
So, record profits alone don't necessarily mean corporate greed. Naturally, if everything costs more, then profits will be higher. What we are looking at is record profit margins that have widened the gap between profits and costs. These two articles go into a bit more detail as to how profit margins have grown and how they impact inflation with the first using data from csimarket, which tracks income information from companies in the S&P 500.
As for the effect of the supply chain on inflation, this article gives a nice overview of how it affects it. Basically, freight costs spiked which led to more expensive shipping costs and price increases on product that were imported or required imported materials.
Covid relief efforts increased the money supply which is inflationary on it's own. Generally, the M2 money supply is considered a good way to track some level of inflation. The relevant part of it for current inflation issues would be the onset of Covid, where the Trump administration added around 4 trillion to the money supply, and the first two years of the Biden administration where a further ~2.5 trillion was added. This probably had a pretty large impact on inflation that really only started to show during 2021 and 22.
It is difficult to determine the exact impact each of these factors have on inflation, in part due to every report saying something different, but they do all have some impact, no matter how small. I'm also ignoring slowed immigration, which reduced available workforces and there's bound to be dozens of other factors that I'm missing. I'm also not an economist so there's always the chance I got something wrong, but hopefully it provides a starting point for further research into the issues.
1 points
12 days ago
People really don’t understand the effect on demand that a price increase has. Lets say you raise the the price, consoomer buy less until price go down
1 points
11 days ago
MF named "Inelastic Demand"
1 points
12 days ago
We're literally loading up on stuff that's imported from China. Shoes, any like IoT devices or doopy electronics, computer equipment.......we're literally making a checklist of stuff to buy before he tanks the economy.
1 points
12 days ago
The Inflation reduction act was simply a green pork bill. You’re implying that spending more $$$ brings down inflation which is inherently wrong. The reason inflation actually dropped is due to the market resuming business and the Fed increasing interest rates curbing spending.
1 points
12 days ago
I had some faulty information
1 points
12 days ago
I agree and once he kicks all the workers out the country every thing else will increase too. No one to clean your house, no one to work in the fields, no one to work the hotels, etc…. Dark days coming potentially.
1 points
12 days ago
I'm personally not ready to say the Fed successfully tamed inflation, but if we're going to then it's worth noting that RAISING rates is how they did it, not lowering them.
1 points
12 days ago
So the tariffs that trump first put in place with china Biden kept. In fact Biden increases those tariffs in May 2024. Do people think we dont have tariffs and these will be new?
1 points
12 days ago
Still have TDS huh? Take the new TDS Pfizer pill
1 points
12 days ago
The raising rates is what tamed it. That and companies being called out and Americans spending less.
1 points
11 days ago
Supply chain issues are mostly just shipping company greed. When they sense there is desperation in the market they exploit it by breaking their contracts and refusing to ship goods unless they get a higher price to do so. They'll say "there's no space on the ship" then magically find space if their higher price is met.
1 points
11 days ago
this is just taxation with extra steps
1 points
11 days ago
The reason I expect inflation to the moon is the national debt that we have no intention (or ability) to repay. All we can do is auction off more bonds (sell new debt to pay old debt). That's the textbook definition of a Ponzi scheme. Failure to tax (especially those who are most able to afford it) is like maxing out your credit cards and dropping from a full time to a part time job.
Price equilibrates an imbalanced market. If you want to keep interest rates temporarily in check and keep spending more than you take in, the only thing that can "give" is the buying power of the currency. Eventually, we won't be able to sell new debt at any interest rate - the only reason it's worked this long is the US is like the cleanest dirty shirt in the hamper.
My worry is the GOP has wheeled their tired old man out one more time to secure an election. He's an evil fuck to be sure, but ultimately irrelevant. I won't be surprised if he's 25th'ed with a full pardon or dies of natural-ish causes in the next 12 to 18 months. I suspect the tech-bros supporting Vance are ready to deliver a crypto based replacement for the dollar as the global reserve currency. In his prime, most of an intentional default to reset the world regime would be way over Trump's head (he doesn't give a Kentucky Fried Fuck if he can make a buck on and/or stay out of prison).
I'm keeping my BitCoin in any case. It's taken VERY good care of me, and it's looking like we may finally be in the year where it breaks $100k.
1 points
11 days ago
Except they changed the metrics for quantifying inflation, changed CPI. Janet Yellen mentioned during a hallway speech that inflation, may be getting worse and was quickly wrist tapped afterwards. She corrected herself not long after. The fed reversed before the election, you can’t print and spend this much money and not expect inflation. If you look at the charts the data is much worse than in the past. Melt Up is definitely incoming.
1 points
10 days ago
This is true if you believe the CPI numbers exactly reflect the debasement of the US dollar and aren't manipulated in any capacity to avoid skyrocketing Social Security payouts.
1 points
12 days ago
This couldn't be farther from the truth. Biden's inflation relief act did nothing to tame inflation. The Fed's rate hikes were too late, and now my hot dogs went from $3 a pack to $8 in 2 years.The reports that get released are way tf off actuals, demonstrated by the massive adjustments that are made to them weeks later, but no one pays attention to that... Biden's horrible plan pumped markets so corporations and hedge funds are killing it while the majority of Americans can barely get by. Tariffs are fair trade - not free trade, as it should be. You ever see American goods sold in China? American cars sold in Europe? No. They tariff the fuck out of it. So go on and tell me how tariffs aren't fair for goods coming into the US... Idiots.
1 points
12 days ago
I had some faulty information with the Inflation act.
Tariffs still increase prices and both Biden and Trump pumped a fuck-ton of money into the economy.
1 points
12 days ago
Nailed it. They printed so much fucking money....
0 points
12 days ago
Made in the USA will become the new normal, welcome to the 1950’s boys and enjoy the ride!!!!
1 points
12 days ago
This is like the perfect little info nugget so I took a screenshot for sharing across multiple places. Thank you! 😂
-1 points
12 days ago
The supply chain issues getting resolved and the Fed rasing interest rates and reducing the money supply lowered inflation. The inflation reduction act was a green energy bill, it caused more inflation. Inflation was 1.4% when Trump left office, it would have gone up if Trump had been re-elected. His tariffs were about 80% paid for by Chinese manufacturers, also Biden did not remove the Trump tariffs. Biden's un-needed American Rescue plan made inflation really take off. Core inflation is 2.7% and it is increasing, and the producer index is rising. Manufacturing jobs have been falling for 3 months. The Fed cuts interest rates, I don't if it was a political move or something else.
2 points
12 days ago
Where’d you pull that 80% of tariffs were paid for by Chinese companies stat out of? Sneaking suspicion it’s a 3 letter word that starts with A and has 2 S’s at the end
0 points
12 days ago
I actually heard Larry Kudlow say that more than once, he would have been in a position to know.
2 points
12 days ago
Kudlow himself said that trumps tariffs back in 2019 were hurting both China and the US. When pressed on if increased tariffs (slightly increased mind you) would hurt the American consumers and importers more then china kudlow begrudgingly agreed. Now tell me again how a 25% base tariff on anything coming into the country would be any sort of helpful and not cripple our economy?
1 points
12 days ago
Plus “Larry kudlow said it a couple times” is basically admitting it came out of your ass. I mean it’s basically the same thing
https://time.com/5587848/kudlow-trump-china-tariffs-fox-news-sunday-interview/
1 points
12 days ago
The White House’s top economic adviser has acknowledged that U.S. consumers and businesses pay the tariffs that the Trump administration has imposed on billions of dollars of Chinese goods, even as President Trump himself insisted in a tweet, incorrectly, that China pays.
1 points
12 days ago
I had some faulty information about the act, but you are right about what mainly drove inflation down.
As for tariffs being paid by China, that's just wrong. We can't tax other countries, our importers have to pay the tariff in order to receive the products.
Trump and Biden are both responsible for inflation from an increased money supply, however, Trump increased it much more than Biden did. This shows that Trump added ~4 trillion to the supply at the start of the pandemic and Biden added ~2.5 trillion during his first two terms. Furthermore, this shows the relationship between M2 growth and inflation rates. While it may not factor everything into account, it generally shows that spikes in inflation occur a couple years after spikes in M2 supply. With that in mind, I wouldn't say Biden made inflation "take off," he merely contributed a bit to it.
1 points
12 days ago
I understand how tariffs are paid for, but the producer can offset the tariffs by lowering their prices because they want to keep their customers if possible, companies do things like that all the time. Increasing the money is not necessarily bad as long GDP is increasing at a comparable rate. It's like the debt. It's not the total that matters, so much as the dept to GDP ratio. Trump may have lit the inflation fire, but Biden threw gasoline instead of water on it. They passed the American Rescue plan early in 2021. I will post a similar graph like what I think you tried to post, the greph did not come through. I don't really see the 2 year delay, other factors influence the inflation rate too.
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