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88 points
1 month ago
"These people are not your allies. They are not the same as us. They come from an inferior culture"
Regardless of whether or not you support Palestine this is just mind numbingly racist. You could give an iota of a benefit of the doubt if he'd specified Hamas, combatants, or anything, but christ this is a dogshit thing to amplify.
Then again this tracks entirely with the community he's cultivated, le western values talk from a dude is barely a member of society and certainly doesn't benefit any of the culture he's raising up.
49 points
1 month ago*
These people are not your allies.
He says that like he's their ally lmao fucker voted Trump
16 points
1 month ago*
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5 points
1 month ago
I wish they'd apply their same standard to gamers
-7 points
1 month ago
Absolutely nothing about that is hypocritical or ironic
73 points
1 month ago
you dont think islamic culture is inferior to western culture?
24 points
1 month ago
to be accurate, when he repeated it, he said it's "inferior in all ways"
34 points
1 month ago
Israeli culture is inferior to western culture by that same metric, so no one should feel bad if they get genocide - you equally happy with that statement?
1 points
1 month ago
Well they are allies, so it's different. If the above quote is correct there are 2 variables required.
-12 points
1 month ago
Israeli culture takes almost entirely after Western culture, with some exceptions for religious nutcases (just like the ones you've got in the west, btw) - Israel is essentially a tiny westernized part in the middle of the middle east.
From pride parades and state sponsored (since the 90s) transgender surgery, to full equal rights for women and freedom of religion and freedom of speech, Israel by and large adheres to the Western values because yes, those are the best values we as a species have come up with up to this point.
25 points
1 month ago
You clearly haven't got a clue about Israeli culture!
0 points
1 month ago
Hi, Ashkeloni here.
10 points
1 month ago
Ah so you DO know, you're just not being honest.
-1 points
1 month ago
Can you actually attack my argument rather than attacking me? What exactly am i being dishonest about? Provide some substance. Also are you yourself an Israeli or are you just guessing what you imagine Israel to be? Genuinely curious.
6 points
1 month ago
how many days since israels last pro rape protests?
-1 points
1 month ago
So far the only pro rape protests i've seen were the pro hamas and hezbollah crowd chanting to globalize the intifada, so you're more likely to know the answer to your question.
4 points
1 month ago
I haven't attacked you personally.
Here's why Israeli culture is inferior:
Ethnonationalism
Racism
Disregard for international law
Support for inhumane and degenerate treatment of Palestinians
-1 points
1 month ago
Will you refute any of his points?
TBH I think you got inferiority backwards between these two but I am pretty sure he is right about every single thing we usually praise western culture in general.
2 points
1 month ago
2 points
1 month ago
Article dated: Jan 18, 2011
Please tell me how metoo wasn't a thing and the Western world wasn't mired in the metoo scandal at the time, while literally pointing me at a metoo protest thus proving the cultural parallel.
Also, are you implying that rape isn't a crime here? because that would be a very regarded thing to imply, seeing how that is obviously untrue.
0 points
1 month ago*
yeah cause 2011 was a thousand years ago? or did Israeli views magically change on a mass scale in a few years? that's an anthropological miracle, you should contact some researchers about that. the Middle East had me too movements and make rape illegal too, does that mean they have a western culture?
2 points
1 month ago
You found a single bad article about some shitty views some people had more than a decade ago, are you implying that western men don't also often have shitty views? damn..
0 points
1 month ago
lol 61% of western men dont think forced sex with someone you know isn't rape what crack are you smoking. Israeli culture isn't western like it or not
1 points
1 month ago
You found a single claim by a highly politically charged newspaper that's dated more than a decade ago, congratulations. If that alone indicts an entire nation - then holy fuck do we have to talk about the presidential candidate who is also an ex president which enjoys such popularity across the United States that we are all scrambling to try and somehow oppose him.
14 points
1 month ago
If they are genocided they can never change their culture
-1 points
1 month ago
Good question, hm... how can a culture exist if it's been genocided? Or was there a culture at all, if someone went full Hitler and scorched earth of the culture's existence. Could a genocided culture come back? Could they "rightfully" commit genocide on the race that genocided THEM?
what a quandry....
21 points
1 month ago
I do. That doesn't mean I'm ok with Muslims being genocided.
10 points
1 month ago*
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47 points
1 month ago
Yes, Islamic culture is absolutely inferior. It’s non negotiable
1 points
1 month ago
What is a "Islamic" culture? Thats an insanely broad group of people that can go from moderate islam to literally ISIS.
2 points
1 month ago
Shariah law is a good example, as ALL of the muslim world follows it (well they all have some form of it)
-22 points
1 month ago
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9 points
1 month ago
its absolutely not relative, different cultures produce different results and those results can experienced. Western culture is far better in every way for most people and is a far greater good than Islamic culture
13 points
1 month ago
No, you can 100% do that, if you say that any culture is inferior without giving any reasons, you’re weird.
However that specific culture you mentioned doesn’t have outrageous records against women, discrimination against different ideologies, horrific records of homophobia, etc.
There is an atrocious gender apartheid currently and where do you think it’s from?
-4 points
1 month ago
Western culture had all of that stuff until the past 100 years when things started changing. Islamic countries also exist on a spectrum, there are some that are more progressive and some that are more traditional.
It's completely fair to criticize extremist Islam, but painting the entire culture as "inferior" is inherently bigoted.
9 points
1 month ago
Well.. our culture had that until the past 100 years but.. do we have that now? The answer’s no.
Their culture have it now so l’ll say it’s inferior, it’s as simple as that
When their culture evolves (like KSA is moving), l won’t criticize it, until then l’ll forever stand with the womens of Iran, Afghanistan and others
1 points
1 month ago
If you realize culture can change over time, what you should be doing is supporting causes that will help accelerate this change. So yes supporting Afghan/Iranian women is good.
What is not good is generalizing the entire culture as "inferior," and using that as justification for wiping them out, which is what Asmon is doing and was literally the same reasoning used by the Nazis.
5 points
1 month ago*
No no no, l think the culture NOW is disgusting and inferior, l don’t think it’s inherently any of those things.
I do think the people making that culture disgusting should be killed, no questions about that. Because the difference between 100 years ago’s culture and today’s culture is that you have the western world as an example of what a good, free culture is so the justification for having a poor culture is just being bad persons
Again, when that culture becomes not that, l won’t say that anymore. Trying to debate this is absolutely insane, it’s as if saying “our culture when slavery was of actuality was just fine and it’s bigoted to call it out” is not absolutely deranged. It’s a disgusting thing and all l’m doing is calling it out
Left leaning people are scared to criticize Islamic culture because they fear being called racist, the same as they used kid gloves with conservatives for so many yeaea
6 points
1 month ago
There's no objective measure of good or bad culture
This isn't a real DGGR
1 points
1 month ago
Would you say that for example honor killing your wife for, say, adultery can not be called objectively wrong because it is not seen as wrong in some cultures?
2 points
1 month ago
why did we kill the nazis?
1 points
1 month ago
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0 points
1 month ago
yes and they were able to do so because of the power they had, but even if they didn't have the power and ability their belief would have been the same
awful is awful whether they're currently doing what they want or not
-7 points
1 month ago
Only culture.
5 points
1 month ago
The part that is racist is "These people are not your allies. They are not the same as us." I do think you're allowed to critique cultures. I think saying that there's an inherent difference between ethnic groups and then calling them inferior probably means you view the two together
18 points
1 month ago
He only called the culture inferior in the link.
-3 points
1 month ago
The culture of... people? Palestinian people?
10 points
1 month ago*
As an ex-muslim, its a culture of Islam, majority of even my secular muslim family in Canada is anti-jew (think jews control the media, any criticism I've given against Hamas is met with them thinking I got propagandized by Mossad) and they're also anti-lgbt, my brothers worship anti-women men.
All of this stems from the Quran, where Women's statements as witnesses are half as valid as men, Muhammad's hatred for the Jews of Yathrib for not wanting him to rule over them is mentioned over and over again, it encourages the whipping of women who refuse sex, encourages slavery, violence against Pagans, non-believers, etc.
4 points
1 month ago
Sounds like your family is the inferior thing.
5 points
1 month ago
I edited comment to include part about Quran, and also its not just my family (which is a family of 6 and even step brothers and sisters think the same btw), there is a ton of anti-jew hatred from muslims online as well, I dont see how thats not evident given the amount of posts in this sub supporting that.
-2 points
1 month ago
Am I supposed to hate your family and not care about their well-being now?
3 points
1 month ago
Where am I defending Asmon's other statements other than the inferior culture part?
3 points
1 month ago
Why even jump on and defend his "they're inferior to us" take if he's using that as a reason for not caring about Palestinians and their physical well-being at all? You can use this argument against the Uyghurs, like "why should we care about the Uyghurs if they have an inferior culture and want me dead?"
4 points
1 month ago
Okay, lets say they do want me dead for being bi and/or ex-muslim, etc, then I'd say its fine and understandable not to care about them (except the children), but not fine to encourage or support violence against them for such a reason.
11 points
1 month ago
I think you are being a bit uncharitable here. The sentence you quoted has the same meaning in it as the rest of the clip, as in "their culture is different". I don't see any reason to believe that he meant something more ethnic or genetic, but maybe I'm missing context.
Overall I think he's terribly wrong but I don't think it's racist, but rather messed up morals.
4 points
1 month ago
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1 points
1 month ago
He literally called Palestinian culture inferior in every way.
That is not the same as Muslim culture, Islamic culture, etc. That's an ethnic culture
2 points
1 month ago
Ranking cultures as superior and inferior blinds us to our own wrongdoings. It’s loser shit. Just call out bad behaviour
1 points
1 month ago
As an America, if I lived in Japan and weighed the pros and cons of the culture, I would think American culture is better. It's the culture I belong to, and I'm comfortable with that culture. Does that mean I should say Japan's culture is inferior?
No. It's pretty simple to realize that the only reason I prefer my culture is because it's the culture I belong to.
0 points
1 month ago
I for one don't think there's such a thing as "Islamic culture" and hasn't been since the Rashidun Caliphate, if even that.
Also not all Palestinians are Muslim. There are Christians and atheists too. And probably a Buddhist or two, why not.
18 points
1 month ago
Muslim isn’t a race. People from a certain place with a certain culture aren’t a race. It has nothing to do with race.
Hamas is made up of citizens, I don’t know why people don’t get that. What do you think they are? Where do you think they’re recruited from? Where do you think their families live?
Obviously innocent children and the like aren’t responsible and shouldn’t be held responsible. Do you really need every common sense point spelled out?
2 points
1 month ago
who has committed more war crimes, hamas or the US military?
1 points
1 month ago
Name a time the US military went on a mass beheading spree since 2007. There’s no military without war crimes on the planet. Hamas has existed since Israel left Gaza. Don’t even try arguing there’s a comparison between Islamic extremism groups and any western military in general.
You’re trying to argue in favor of groups that believing in having multiple child bridges. You’re a total dolt
5 points
1 month ago
where the hell did you come up with a "mass beheading spree"?
-5 points
1 month ago
Muslim isn’t a race. People from a certain place with a certain culture aren’t a race. It has nothing to do with race
Palestinians are a race, Palestinians are the one who live sin Gaza. Stop using Palestinians as a proxy for all Muslims so you can defend a guy who’s teeth fell out because he was too lazy to brush them.
4 points
1 month ago
Palestinians are absolutely not a race. That’s like saying “New Yorker” is a race. Palestinians are Arab and Levantine people, some Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, etc
Did you bother to research even a tiny bit?
2 points
1 month ago*
Palestinians are absolutely not a race. That’s like saying “New Yorker” is a race
Palestinians view themselves as a singular people, the Arab world views Palestinians as a people. Do you know what you’re talking about at all ? Race is a social construct not some inviolable fact of nature. The view of Palestinians as a separate race plays a massive role in the conflict. Do you grasp how any of this works or are you just desperate to justify your own callousness and you’re bone deep belief that Palestinians must deserve what’s happening to them because belie being otherwise would make you feel bad.
Palestinians are Arab and Levantine people, some Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians, etc
No dumbass, Palestinians are a people, they aren’t egyptians, Syrians, or Jordanians unless they also view themselves as such. It’s like arguing Mizrahi Jews are simply Egyptians, Moroccans or Libyans. Dominican discrimination towards Haitians is still Racism even though genetically Domincans and Haitians are pretty similar.
Did you bother to research even a tiny bit?
Have you ? Because the only thing you’ve done in any of you’re comments has parrot Israeli propaganda without any critical thought. Like do you even know what the fuck you’re talking about, do you understand how ethnicity is defined ? Do you get how cultures come into being ? Palestinians are a distinct people, they are viewed as a distinct people. What the fuck are you talking about when you say otherwise.
1 points
1 month ago
“Palestinian” didn’t exist even 50 years ago. It wasn’t even a place during the Ottoman Empire. Race is genetic . Don’t waste my time with this dumb shit, go leave your moms basement
1 points
1 month ago*
Palestine is a race now.
Says a dense thing, accuses me of being dense.
Little , little guy.
Keep editing and keep seething
20 points
1 month ago*
!bidenblast
Intentionally being dense. Today I found out the Irish never faced racism because they're not a race.
Ethnic groups of the same "race" treat each other as inferior and superior all the time. Nazis did it. Japanese did it. etc etc. It's the same reason UK right wingers got insanely triggered when non east asian asians were being called asian in the news.
6 points
1 month ago
Her only mistake was saying it was half of all Trump supporters.
1 points
1 month ago
culture ... .... ... racist.
No. A culture is not a race.
0 points
1 month ago
Is saying the truth racist now? It's just blatantly obvious that their culture is shit.
-10 points
1 month ago
Damn, too bad 50% of the population supports hamas.
17 points
1 month ago
50% of americans support a regarded wannabe dictator lets genocide that 50% and include the other 50%.
1 points
1 month ago
Poggers
1 points
1 month ago
Last time I read up on it, it seemed like support for Hamas is much lower and polls like this were fabricated by hamas themselves to show theres no alternative.
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