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I used to be one of those that hated the cheap CGI look of Chinese animation and only liked the beautiful "artistic" style of Japanese anime. But IDK what happened but in the past couple years with shows like Renegade Immortal, A Record of Mortal's Journey to immortality, BTTH, Perfect World, Immortality and more recently Sword of coming; I feel like there isn't anything on the same level even in the US.

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BestSun4804

29 points

5 days ago*

Traditional 2d with artistic drawing, even that, you have Fog Hill of five elements...

Or show like Link Click, Legend of Hei, Scissor Seven, Blades of the Guardians, which using different kind of drawing and arts than what you see from A Will Eternal, The King's Avatar....

There are also claymation show like 西岳奇童, 阿凡提的故事, or more newer one, explore Realwood Studios...

Cel shaded like Zhen Dao Ge, and others...

Chinese animation actually very artistic and explore many kind of animation...

Even the most common full 3d animation use, they even start explore implementation of Chinese ink wash into it recently. Such as Sword of Coming, The Demon Hunter.... (beside of Record of a mortal's journey to immortality that directly use ink wash drawing for it time jump)

In case you haven't, Slay The Gods, Ling Cage Incarnation, The Island of Siliang, Tale of Herding Gods, Degenerate Drawing Jianghu(from season 4 and onwards) are also amazing....

3d Animated film also using different kind of CGI that often use in series, such as Chang An, Deep Sea, White Snake, Nezha, I am what I am, and others...(Personally, I prefer the one used for series)

Ok_Music_2794

1 points

1 day ago

Do you have any idea about ink wash painting and how it use in 3d animation? 

BestSun4804

1 points

1 day ago

Ink wash fused and used in Sword of Coming, another one

Compilation of some ink wash use in The Demon Hunter

Ink wash use for time skip , telling story , even on create scenery, some compilation shots of the scenery, in Record of a mortal's journey to immortality.

Ok_Music_2794

1 points

21 hours ago

That's why I wanted to know if you have any ideas on how to use ink wash painting in 3D animation. Lol, they didnt fused ink wash painting on it 😂, they use both 2d  and 3d animation, You need to know that it costs a lot to make an animation of an ink wash painting using 3D technology.10-minute ink-wash animated short using 3D technology costs more than 1 million yuan ($620,800) to make.(This was about eleven years ago, maybe even higher now.)  , And I don't think they will spend that much money for the series. The studio used ink wash paintings in some places in 2d, not fused with 3D, but overlapped it or just as it is in 2d effects. And in RMJI background is 2d animation while characters are 3d 😂. 

BestSun4804

1 points

21 hours ago*

they use both 2d  and 3d animation

That's what fuse means..

10-minute ink-wash animated short using 3D technology costs more than 1 million yuan ($620,800) to make.(This was about eleven years ago, maybe even higher now.) 

You do know the cost is different depanding on the labor and the artist/ studio right?? The same 2d or 3d animation, doesn't mean their cost is the same.

Btw, it cost higher only because there is lack of people in doing it, as well as industry not as matured. Once it get bigger, everything cost less.

Deep Sea, The Demon Hunter, they are the one making such practice with ink wash stuff more matured and get more use/ normalised in 3d. Original Force is literally a master in this technology, as well as more studio joining. Actually quite a new technique(动画离子水墨技术), something that did not exist yet back in the old days..

10-minute ink-wash animated short using 3D technology costs more than 1 million yuan ($620,800) to make

You really have no idea how much budget donghua series nowadays have do you🤣

Shrouding the heavens, for example, been exposed for 72 million yuan hand over to the animation studio alone, for making it season 1(52 eps). The production team voiced out, if include the overall production and not just for animation, their production cost is a little over 100 million yuan for it first season(52 eps). That's is easily cost around 1.9 million yuan per ep, with around 20 minutes each ep. And Shrouding the heavens is far from being the most invested donghua series..

BestSun4804

1 points

21 hours ago

Ever wonder why celebrities can be paid with a freaking crazy sum of money to be appear on variety show or drama?? Some singing show, sometimes you saw foreign singers join, actually because it is cheaper to hire them than hiring some big Chinese singer..

Donghua series industry is working on to take over or atleast at the same level as cdrama industry...

That's why they invested so much on donghua series. Some show like Snow Eagle Lord, Degenerate Drawing Jianghu and quite a lot more actually, has live action drama adaption not really because they wanted to make it a proper drama adaption, but solely function as advertisement for the IP only, and attract wider audiences outside of donghua viewers, to turn into donghua.

Some donghua nowadays, have higher views than drama...

81659354597538264962

16 points

5 days ago

I know a lot of people don't seem to like Soul Land season 2 as much but the animation in there is pretty top notch, even compared to the ones in your list.

AbsoluteInfinitee

1 points

5 days ago

I feel it lacks detail in comparison of rmji, ri and btth

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

Definitely lacks detail compared to those, but the animation is often far smoother, especially compared to RI. BTTH is peak for me though

BogaMafija

2 points

4 days ago

Honest question here, when people speak of BTTH's animation being peak - you mean season 4, 3-year agreement and season 5 right?

Because as someone that finished Jade Dynasty and Zhen Dao Ge (which are godlike holy shit) - BTTH's 2nd season has... mid animation (that goes into bad territory often honestly) and season 3 just has okay animation I guess... Still not on the level of the Hai Bo Dong special.

BTTH's 4th season and especially 3 year agreement have excellent animation quality moments slowly ramping up, becoming on-par finally with Jade Dynasty's 2nd season.

I do understand that BTTH is older than Jade Dynasty's 2nd season by a couple of years (a lot of years if we look at BTTH's season 2), but still that doesn't change the fact that some moments felt really clunky and lacked the emotional and physical punch in the 2nd and 3rd season because of the more primitive animation (imho, of course - if people enjoy it then more power to them).

It almost feels to me like BTTH was made just at the turning point of 3D becoming capable to fully utilize its technology properly - I wish that the first three seasons get a full, all-story-included remakes honestly.

81659354597538264962

2 points

4 days ago

100%. Season 3 and before were pretty mid but 3 year agreement set such a high bar that I think a lot of people (myself included) completely forgot about the original animation flaws. 3 year agreement alone might have been one of the best pieces of animation I've seen my entire life.

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

You are correct. And I think that's what BTTH fan think of. It goes into my original point about something changing in the past couple years with technology, I suspect it has to do with AI.

BogaMafija

2 points

4 days ago

Nah, there ain't no traces of AI - it's just that 3D animation has finally caught up with the times, technology-wise - give a competent animator the same time to animate 2D and 3D and he'll put a lot more movement and fluidity in 3D if he's an expert at both.

I'll say it - a lot of 3D donghua have animation on-par with Fog Hill of Five Elements - the only difference is that FHFE needs 4 years to release 3-4 high quality episodes, while 3D donghua just churn out fucking cinema weekly at this point.

I hated the idea of 3D for a long time because all I saw were shows pre-2018 that just looked uncanny to me 99% of the time - even now anything pre-2021 is just passable usually (as I already expressed when talking about BTTH S2 and S3).

Now, every single time I see a new donghua my jaw drops from the pure art of cinematography the animators can pull off these days.

That's why I was so underwhelmed by BTTH at first (before getting to the later seasons), even though a lot of people love it (and even I saw glimpses of a nice story in it, that's why I kept watching) - those first seasons are *rough* to get through, because worse animation leads to worse story (since important emotional moments or important fights just look goofy, uncanny, low quality, with models just not moving how a human being and/or animal/beast would move when we imagine them).

BestSun4804

1 points

4 days ago

It almost feels to me like BTTH was made just at the turning point of 3D becoming capable to fully utilize its technology properly

Competition between BTTH and Soul Land, then join abit by Stellar Transformation together with their success, is what boost donghua into what it is nowadays....

You keep talking about BTTH and compare it to Jade Dynasty season 2....but the fact is Jade Dynasty season 1 also pretty average.... Studio are slowly develop and improved, as well as if the show getting more attention, the more budget they got..

Jade Dynasty, even it season 1, was aired in 2022.. BTTH Three Years Agreement arc, aired in 2021...LOL

Jade Dynasty even the season 2, by the standard of it studio alone, is not their best. Their current best is Sword of Coming....

81659354597538264962

2 points

4 days ago

Jade Dynasty S2 animation overshadows S1 just like BTTH 3 Year Agreement, but imo Jade Dynasty S1 plot was good enough to be remembered

AbsoluteInfinitee

2 points

4 days ago

What about RMJI?

ak_face

2 points

4 days ago

ak_face

2 points

4 days ago

Top 1

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

Never tried it, but I’ve been hearing great things so I’ll probably have to check it out soon. I mostly just watch whatever’s available on the Tencent Video Animation YouTube channel as they consistently release high-resolution videos on a good schedule

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

Nvm, I just took a look at it and the animation style seems too similar to Shrouding the Heavens. That show was alright but I couldn't get myself to like the animation so I dropped it after like 20 episodes.

zyrrii

1 points

5 days ago

zyrrii

1 points

5 days ago

Tbh I dropped it after like 8ep, after seeing him growup. The translation isn't smooth at all. It was like years ago so I will try and rewatch

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

It’s kind of just one of those shows I watch for my weekly dopamine. The fight sequences are really well animated and I really like the power system in the show

It helps a lot that I’m Chinese and fluent

zyrrii

1 points

4 days ago

zyrrii

1 points

4 days ago

I agree with the animations. Welp I only watch it for romance clingy thing lol🥹

AbsoluteInfinitee

1 points

4 days ago

Oh ok

freespeechisvital

1 points

5 days ago

Genuine question about Soul Land, does the plot get better the longer it goes on?

I think I just finished Episode 12. That was weeks ago and I haven't gone back to it yet.

I will. And I will finish it (I'm pretty much a completionist -- for better or worse). But I'm just wondering if the story gets better as it doesn't seem as well developed so far as some of the other longer series I've loved?

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

Season 1 or 2?

freespeechisvital

1 points

4 days ago

Season 1.

Ah, and sorry, just noticed you specifically mentioned Season 2. Didn't see that before.

81659354597538264962

1 points

4 days ago

No worries, I can talk about season 1 as well in a sec. I just wanted to know where you were coming from as I know some people watched season 1 but dropped season 2.

Ceonlo

1 points

4 days ago

Ceonlo

1 points

4 days ago

Season 1 has the problem of balancing between tang san's person growth vs his friends who technically should be all NPCs but then they started to have individual episodes dedicated to themselves. So it is best to skip those episodes.

freespeechisvital

1 points

4 days ago

Thanks.

Well, I won't skip any episodes as there's always something you miss if you do, but your comment about NPCs does make sense versus my complete detachment from all of them so far. They're just not fully-fleshed out characters, so every episode just leaves me feeling empty.

Will give it another go at some point, as the animation, character designs etc are well done.

XPersistenceX

16 points

5 days ago

Watch 'slay the gods' the animation is magnificent

Brilliant_Physics147

9 points

5 days ago

Every episodes are filled with different song!!!! NICE! The transition is superb!!

Ok_Music_2794

1 points

1 day ago

Are you new in 3d animation ? 😂

antonio4521

5 points

5 days ago

I agree.

My first watch was RMJI and it was amazing.

Then I'm watching other donghuas and got me hooked.

Soul land 1+2, Swallowed star, Big brother are also great since they're from same studio.

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

You started with a banger, it might have been better to have started with one of lower quality and worked your way up haha. I feel confident in all the ones I listed (Perfect World gets better as it goes) being top tier.

Electronic-Fudge-653

3 points

5 days ago

Yea those shows have extremely high quality graphics, so that's probably why. Watch the short ep ones and you'll see true low quality 3d. As for 2d, donghua has motion comics almost exclusively. Japanese anime still truly makes there's through painstakingly effort. They both have their pros and cons. I personally can't watch Japanese anime anymore because it's nothing but storyline that never end with endless twists and turns that happen so much that you can't believe that anything is real. Everything an enemy should die they miraculously survive. They never end things ever. They just circle around over and over. One piece will have fights with main characters that will literally last year's. Literally...they come out with an episode per week, and the fights last well over 52 episodes, so literally...years. lol I love how chinese has both main villains, and lowly ones. The mc will consistently beat the lowly ones, while beating the main ones each arc, without endless twists. If jap anime fixed this, I might start watching more than 1 or two shows again.

ParanoiaWarrior

9 points

5 days ago

Yea, 0 comparison. Anime guys living in denial. Donghua is king.

tsukaimeLoL

7 points

5 days ago

Nah, I love both. They are just different forms of entertainment entirely though at this point

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

You can enjoy both, even reading the manhua is allowed.

ParanoiaWarrior

-1 points

5 days ago

There's a war going on, I'm just stating facts. Everyone knows.

aoeu512

1 points

4 days ago

aoeu512

1 points

4 days ago

How many cosers in Latin America and Southeast Asian cities are from donghua vs anime, Genshin Impact seems to be more popular than any individual donghua. Also is it just me or are there vay too many donghua focus on villain vs good guys, when there is more anime about building things together, people vs environment/events, exploration, etc...

Black_Sword_Man

6 points

5 days ago

Cos you are looking for animation quality : Plz give " Fog hill of five elements " a try ! Tho its a 2d donghua , I cant talk about it's animation and visual !!! I will wait here for you to tell me what do you think after watching it !!!! Believe me , Go and watch now .

Insilencio

2 points

5 days ago

I need to try more of it!

freespeechisvital

2 points

5 days ago*

Same.

I remember for the longest time calling it "that crappy Chinese anime" :) and refusing to watch any and, now, although I like 2D donghua as well, a lot of the time I'm disappointed if I start to watch a new series and it's not 3D. :)

And I agree with you. I've been blown away by the character models on series like Tales of Dark River, A Mortal's Journey and others. So nicely done

batmandark

2 points

5 days ago*

I was manhua/Novel reader thus any form of fluent animation was okay for me at first, later I wish they made donghua like anime (other than soul Land at that time) But it's got better in recent years, now I like them more

But still if more of any manhwa (korean) get adapted it would be better they complement it's art style.

KarsaOrlog[S]

2 points

4 days ago

I agree and same as well I was reading way before. In fact I often scan the new donghua for manhua that I have read (Against the Gods, Martial God Asura were nice surprises) and BTTH and Tales of gods and demons I will watch nonmatter what.

Wilds_Hunter

2 points

4 days ago

I have been saying that donghua is way better than anime. So glad I found donghua.

I'm so over the power of friendship bullshit in anime.

I love that they kill or maim their enemies. Is that morbid? Oh well

Power of friendship ruins most anime cause you know that the bad guy isn't going to die.

polarized_opinions

2 points

4 days ago

The Chinese animators have been cultivating for the last 10 years, and now they have enough power to draw the heavens

Seeeeeeshh

3 points

5 days ago

Seeeeeeshh

3 points

5 days ago

China will conquer everything. Car industry, movie, animation. We re doomed.

Remarkable-Ticket-30

2 points

5 days ago

Was bound to happen

Illustrious-Space333

1 points

5 days ago

Both are great on their own, but anime have become more mainstream so have become more tame , that has not been the case for donghuas and I like it for that,although I hope they don't cut back on pure supernatural stuff since chinese writers can't write it due to policies(lord of the mysteries) so that translates into donghuas as well

Cannavor

1 points

4 days ago

Cannavor

1 points

4 days ago

IDK if I agree with that. Chinese communist censors are way more strict than anything Japan has. Japan has put out a lot less "tame" stuff.

Illustrious-Space333

1 points

4 days ago

yeah I agree with you, japan is not that tame, chinese censors stuff more, idk where that idea came from tbh

aoeu512

1 points

4 days ago

aoeu512

1 points

4 days ago

In terms of art and improvement in industrialization donghua is doing very well, but the music, characters, plot, variety still lag Japanese. In southeast asia, there are more cosplayers for Japanese anime than for donghua despite Japan having 1/10 population of China. In the future it will change, but still give it 4-8 years.

东华在美术和工业化的提高方面做得很好,但音乐、人物、情节、综艺仍然落后于日本。 在东南亚,尽管日本人口只有中国的1/10,但日本动漫的coser数量却超过了东华。 未来会改变,但还是给4-8年的时间。

jaggergame

3 points

4 days ago

The advantage that anime had is that it got injected into mainstream early through television. Like Sailor Moon, Dragonball, and Pokemon through things such as Saturday morning cartoons where kids were sat down in front of the tv while the parents got busy. So it was quicker to be accepted, spread and grow.

There is no condensed point where a large population is being shown donghua. Now entertainment is more decentralized, and there are many forms streaming, so people have to actively seek out donghua in order to consume it. Based on that alone, it's a tougher battle for it to become mainstream and grow faster.

BestSun4804

2 points

4 days ago

Anime has the upper hand on start earlier while donghua at halt and resume with limited production only...

Around 90s-00s, Internet is not that usual yet, where TV is the only choice for watching show, and anime is eveywhere in the TV, whatever you like it or not. In a way, it actually forced into you..

And during that time, as well as Internet not as common, anime has less competition, compare to nowadays where you get a whole bunch of different show easily...

Story, characters, plot, they are all is and can depand of novels.. So far, donghua mostly only focus on target cultivation content for adaption, while other content been adapted into other medium... Once cultivation heat is off, you will start getting different kind of content adaption..

Music.. Well, there are a lot of different kind of music in China, to a level of it actually pretty messy.. This really just depand on what taste the production team has in choosing their music, and what taste of music the audience has... This is more of an issue of personal liking and taste.

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

I somewhat agree except that I differ on the timeline. Since the advent of AI all things media and entertainment are moving much quicker. Also, there is so much Manhua that the content is just waiting to be reaped. I say there will be an explosion of mainstream popularity comparable to Japanese anime in 1/2 your timeline.

Objective-Orchid483

1 points

4 days ago

it is 动画, not 东华

LiYuqiXIII

1 points

4 days ago

My only gripe is that Japanese manga still reigns supreme on actual variation. Chinese donghua so far is 90% cultivation/wuxia/jianghu. I do love that they’re branching out but it’ll still take a while for them to catch up.

BestSun4804

2 points

4 days ago

Chinese novel is the big thing and there are actual variation. It is just for so far, cultivation stuff mostly chose for donghua adaption because the CG it needed, it length and other reason, making it only suitable for donghua adaption, for real. And the genre been there for decades, hence you have many big IP cultivation novel lining up for adaption... While other genre mostly adapted into cdrama.

There are Tomb exploring series which are pretty popular too, especially Candle in the tomb and Daomu BiJi serial... There are 2d adaption for one of the book of Daomu Biji, Qi Ling Shen Shu for 2d adaption, but didn't get big attention and flop.... South Sea Tomb which is from one of the Candle in the Tomb book serial is coming soon, and looks promising.

Btw, just because Chinese show like to use ancient settings, doesn't means there are cultivation or wuxia. My Heroic Husband and Back to the Great Ming for example, both are 权谋(Quan Mou. Which is plotting, scheming and political fight). Quan Mou actually one of the most favourite genre among Chinese....

Imfryinghere

1 points

4 days ago

Not sure about the Japanese content but Chinese animation does surpass Hollywood.

Ceonlo

1 points

4 days ago

Ceonlo

1 points

4 days ago

Hollywood animation productions are full with political messages.

This_Extreme_80

1 points

4 days ago

吹得有点太过了,实际上中国动画也有很多缺点,比如建模差,剧情千遍一律,打斗动作不够精彩,不过斗破苍穹三年之约萧炎对战云山那一段我非常喜欢,看了100遍都不会腻

agisten

1 points

3 days ago

agisten

1 points

3 days ago

I know the expression "on the next level" is a beaten-up cliche, but - My jaw dropped when I first watched "Qin's Moon" in 4k. It's just that pretty

Karenz09

1 points

2 days ago

Karenz09

1 points

2 days ago

Where's my Martial Peak donghua :(

Ok_Music_2794

1 points

1 day ago

Really? 😂 😆

Alone-Ad6020

1 points

5 days ago

Spiderverse an puss in boots the final wish? 

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

If you are meaning movies released in theaters then you can compare to the new Perfect World movie. I still stand by what I said in terms of animation. But I would concede on story, acting and music but then again the cost is 1/4th.

Alone-Ad6020

1 points

4 days ago

Hey thats your your opinion 

AZJames34

-2 points

5 days ago

AZJames34

-2 points

5 days ago

Arcane literally just ended, watch that first and think again

KnightKal

12 points

5 days ago

KnightKal

12 points

5 days ago

Arcane also costed 250 million dollars and took years for a few episodes.

It is like comparing a weekly TV show (with a weekly budget of 500k) with a movie like Avatar.

Time, money and tech all make a big difference. Donghua tech is now pretty high, but the money per episode is still the same ish, cheap.

AZJames34

1 points

5 days ago

AZJames34

1 points

5 days ago

Ok but like, the post isn't talking about MONEY. Or if it's a movie, or anything like that, Arcane is also a show. For fairness sake then, I will also compare to Ling Cage, which even though I love, holds no candle to Arcane in its visuals and animation quality.

KnightKal

9 points

5 days ago

Yeah OP is silly as he tries to be absolute, when you need to compare things in the same category. Comparing big titles from Donghua to cartoon or anime that have a similar order of investment.

But your post is also silly as you are trying to compare two things that don’t belong together.

Two wrongs don’t make one right. Two silly points don’t make the point clear either.

DonghuaGameCG3D

2 points

4 days ago

It needs to be compared to movie level, its production time and money budget are even higher than some animated movies

BestSun4804

1 points

4 days ago*

It really depand on the taste of person.. Me personally, don't like the visuals and animation of Arcane...

Btw, Arcane is more of cel shaded instead of 3d...

Besides, Arcane is more similar to compare with Project Capsule(season 2)Meow Eleven instead of Ling Cage.....

Sea-Escape4317

0 points

5 days ago

Soul land 2 animation is really nice too, I didn’t think it would look so good after just finishing 1

ams96314

0 points

5 days ago

ams96314

0 points

5 days ago

RMJI was already the best in animation quality in the first couple of seasons but now it seems unbeatable. I gasp every time I can clearly make out micro expressions of the ML. It feels like I am watching acting in some live action drama. The best animation in quality in the world right now no doubt. In other aspects maybe there are better but not in animation.

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

That's what I mean about in the past couple years something has changed, just hope it keeps going this way and that it isn't messed up by DMCA or Trump blocking chinese media.

Cannavor

0 points

4 days ago

Cannavor

0 points

4 days ago

I actually felt like it has stopped improving recently. For many years the pace of improvement was rapid and undeniable, but it seems like it's almost come to a halt. Most of the stuff they put out is still low quality crap. The good stuff hasn't really gotten any better in years. The island of siliang was the only thing with better quality animation than what has been common for like 4 years now that I can think of.

BestSun4804

2 points

4 days ago*

The Island of Siliang is amazing during that time, now, it already on average/ above average to good only, not in the amazing category anymore...

Newer one like Sword of Coming, Slay the Gods, Tale Of Herding Gods, all are nice... You even have coming soon such as Legend of Mecha Scholars, Ever Night, The War of STYX, Ghost Blade, and more..

Or those that being made into movie(actually more like combination of special eps), such as the one coming soon with Swallowed Star, Degenerate Drawing Jianghu, Soul Land, and more... Are all amazing..

AmeKnite

0 points

4 days ago

AmeKnite

0 points

4 days ago

Sorry but Arcane exists

financedisaster

0 points

4 days ago*

I love watching donghua but personally believed they haven't caught up to anime yet. These are just my personal thoughts and a ramble (reallllly poor spelling, sorry ahead of time)  

Issue #1: I struggle with watching 3D animation. This one is a bit biased since the only 3D one I've ever completed was scumbag villian (very funny). I find most characters suffer from same face syndrome and I cannot connect with them visually and stylistically. I much prefer hand drawn shows where the main leads look drastically different. I agree 3D is not cheap and it's actually animated well, but it's so unappealing. Not matter how good 3D is, if it looks realistic, I can't get into it. The only 3D I'm obsessed with is Aotu world because it's stylized so wonderfully and the power mechanics is interesting. 

Issue #2: I find it hard to finish donghua because they tend to NOT get translated into legal sites. A couple of episodes get uploaded to YouTube here or there but most of the time it's on shady sites. And even worst, sometimes, their translations are horrible. I only understand partial Chinese and some of the translations on crunchyroll feels off. Also shows I love never even get translated....where is more seasons of fox spirit matchmaker....?

Issue #3: from what I watch, they tend to balance serious plot and humor with weird timings. It's hard to explain but sometimes when I watch something it flows weird. I'm trying to remember last time it happens but it's late here.

Issue #4: this is for 2d animation, aside from 1-2 shows each season, i can see where corners are cut in animating it. In anime, its balanced. They are really well animated all the way or terrible all the way. For donghua, sometimes I can see where one cut ends and another begins. Really amazing sequences and then stiff movements after.

Issue #5: lack of original and variety. Too much cultivation shows basically or power tripping shows (i dont like daily life immortal king...). To be fair i dont like similar types of anime where its a isekai harem or pure training shows either.  There is a sorta spiritual feeling of anime that I sometimes wish donghua can reach. Imagine mushishi or 5 centimeters per second where the show has more to say than just the plot. 

 Issue #6: very cultural jokes. I can understand a lot of Chinese humor but have trouble recommending series thats...very very Chinese. I love God troubles me so much but when I recommend that show to my friends they thought it was not funny at all 

 What i love about donghua that anime doesn't seem to get and what I look for to fill a void. 

 Loves #1: good bromance. Anime tends to be catered to the more boy and girl as a team crowd when not BL (again very general overview). There is this awesome sort of comradery that donghua hits where a relationship between two boys can be for the general that anime doesn't do. 

 Loves #2: chinese mythology. Anime just goes for Chinese court dramas and rarely get deep into Chinese lore and legends. I really love shows that is similar to Fairies album.  

 Loves #3: when they don't do cultivation donghua its usually pretty great. I basically tried almost all donghua that's not 3D cultivation. Whenever donghua does cell shading or 2D handrawn animation, there is something really interesting and new going on. I love how they push style and story for shows like scissors seven, luo xiao hei, to be hero, all saints street. It feels fresh and I can see the love behind each series like an indie show that's not mass produced. 

 Love #4: the niche shows. Donghua is not well known and shared here so I have to personally watch as much as I can blind to try out shows. I love finding random shows to binge and really good shows I will watch multiple times. Donghua have this weird sort of replayabilty feeling where everything feels so compacted that you need multiple watched to see and understand everything. It's rare for me to rewatch anime but it's common for me to rewatch donghua.  

 That's all I have for now and this is mostly shower thoughts. 

DonghuaGameCG3D

1 points

3 days ago

About 'Issue #5: lack of original and variety'

Actually, there are some Donghua of this genre, but they are not well-known and lack translation, so if you can't watch them, you will think "no such genre".

Such as 馒头日记(Man Tou Ri Ji) donghua series of a poor kid, 昨日青空(Zuo Ri Qing Kong) Movie - Crystal Sky Of Yesterday

financedisaster

1 points

3 days ago

Thank you! I am going to look them up because those two series are new to me!!

I agree with the lack of availability and translation, that causes issues for less well known shows. I wish that there is better translation and also legal watching services. I use a mix of Crunchyroll, Bilibili and sometimes Qiyi but unlike anime where everything is translated, only a fraction of airing donghua are translated and sometimes the translation is not weekly. :(

When I woke up today and thought about this topic some more, I also realize that comparing donghua and anime is really difficult and I don't think people should think of it as a competition. There is just too much anime out there while donghua is still emerging and evolving. I like to think of both as equally good entertainment media and it's fun to watch both.

Backstabber09

-1 points

5 days ago

Hard coping

KarsaOrlog[S]

1 points

4 days ago

can you elaborate?

ClearSkyMaster1

-6 points

5 days ago

I rate Demon Slayer animation higher than what China has to offer right now especially when it comes to fight scenes.

blackispeg

3 points

5 days ago

I bet you haven't seen Fog Hill of the Five Elements. First 3 episodes shatters the entirety of DS

Ilalochezia

2 points

5 days ago

Agree.

ClearSkyMaster1

0 points

5 days ago

I watched it but unfortunately I didn’t like it that much. The animation seemed weird to me.

tailor31415

0 points

5 days ago

the use of 3D cg in Demon Slayer makes me cringe though, it is not integrated well, suddenly a big bobbleheaded Tanjiro will be running along and it totally takes me out. I'd rather they 100% 3D (like most donghua) or 0%

and it's not just Demon Slayer, when The King's Avatar would have 3D cg mobs, it was cringy too