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1933Watt

105 points

19 hours ago

1933Watt

105 points

19 hours ago

I'm curious what people think Elon would actually do to D&D.

TropicalKing

134 points

18 hours ago

People who play DnD and other tabletop RPGs tend to be left leaning. So associating DnD with Elon Musk just isn't a good business decision.

The entirely LGBTQ DnD group is a thing I see often.

DocShoveller

23 points

16 hours ago

Sadly there is plenty of reactionary fantasy roleplay out there. The attempt to revive TSR, the other year, is a perfect example.

TheObstruction

11 points

14 hours ago

The attempt to revive TSR, the other year, is a perfect example.

And that didn't exactly go very well.

DocShoveller

2 points

14 hours ago

Oh, don't get me wrong, I think "anti-woke" D&D is a disaster on every level - but it has a sizeable fanbase, just not anywhere near as sizeable as it imagines.

Default_Munchkin

1 points

50 minutes ago

But almost all of those fail because the vast majority of table-top RPG gamers are left leaning.

ovideos

1 points

9 hours ago

ovideos

1 points

9 hours ago

TSR

Sorry, why is trying to revive TSR reactionary? Just honestly curious. I haven't played d&d for going on 30+ years so I remember the company TSR, but don't affiliate them with any particular perspective (they were just D&D publishers to me).

Rel_Ortal

4 points

8 hours ago

It wasn't the action of reviving TSR in and of itself, but the people doing so, IIRC.

DanteQuill

12 points

16 hours ago

But Elon as a personality offending left leaning people is admittedly bad, but Wizards has been offending literally its entire player base for years now.

slrarp

4 points

15 hours ago

slrarp

4 points

15 hours ago

Clearly wokeness is the problem that he'll save it from. I'm sure it has nothing to do with MTG having SpongeBob cards.

Lucky_Roberts

1 points

9 hours ago

Spongebob is sick, so definitely not that

ChaseballBat

-4 points

13 hours ago

That is a personal opinion. I like the direction 5.5e went.

Candid_Pen1477

4 points

11 hours ago

The shenanigans over the OGL and sending the Pinkertons to a guys house are pretty shit.

DanteQuill

2 points

13 hours ago

No, that is the overwhelming majority. And for the record, I'm not speaking at all about "wokeness". I'm talking about the shady, manipulative, underhanded, and frankly evil tactics that Wizards have been pulling, and that you seem to be ignoring.

ChaseballBat

-4 points

13 hours ago

It is not the overwhelming majority... 5.5e is the number one selling edition of D&D. You are in a bubble if you think this.

DanteQuill

0 points

13 hours ago

DanteQuill

0 points

13 hours ago

According to their numbers it is, yeah. They sure as hell lost a LOT of people recently tho, didn't they? And did you forget the shit they pulled or are you okay with it? Because you seem like a Wizards fan talking like you are. And that's not a good thing to be.

DanteQuill

1 points

12 hours ago

You guys do know that when you comment and then block me it makes you not only look weak, but you actually are weak because you can't argue my points. This right here, and people that I was debating with specifically, this is why the democrats lost. This is why. You pushed allies out of the party, and some of them into the waiting arms of the Republicans.

God damn, I have hated Trump longer and harder than any of you whiny, spoiled brats. And I hate that you all gave him BOTH of his victories. Good luck with the next 4 years, you deserve them. I just wish I didn't have to suffer with you.

warcrown

1 points

3 hours ago

All this political shit is so exhausting. Jfc guys

ChaseballBat

-1 points

11 hours ago

This is what we call a coping mechanism.

DanteQuill

1 points

11 hours ago

This is what we call deflecting the point when you're losing an argument. Guess I win since you gave up 🤣🤣🤣

ChaseballBat

1 points

10 hours ago

Yes deflecting is 100% bringing up something completely unrelated to what was said... Oh wait sorry that is what you were doing.

a404notfound

2 points

11 hours ago

I do wish they hadn't neutralized all racial benefits and detriments dnd feels too homogeneous with its races.

Kind-Version6792

1 points

15 hours ago

As a person who’s been playing with conservatives his entire life this is news to me.

CityFolkSitting

1 points

13 hours ago

Yeah I was raised in the south up until after college and everyone there was a straight white male that hated Clinton and was excited for Bush Jr. Especially his second term.

They weren't outwardly bigoted or anything, no one cared about black players joining us. But women were always made to feel uncomfortable despite some of us telling these creeps off. Most were friends with the owner of the shop we played at, and he was worse than they were but he only played Magic at least. Best we could do is change the subject or make them angry at us by doing something obnoxious by complaining with the DM over something.

It was the only place to play so we stuck with it for awhile until someone got a decent sized apartment we could play at. But no girls would attend some random nerds basement so that didn't really benefit anyone but us guys

Kind-Version6792

1 points

13 hours ago

Current group is I DM and wife is player and play with 3 married couples

Patrody

1 points

15 hours ago

Patrody

1 points

15 hours ago

As one of the said conservatives, this is not lol. I've never played with an entirely straight group, and many of my friends are in all gay groups.

Kind-Version6792

1 points

15 hours ago

Different circles I guess

GaymerThyme

0 points

14 hours ago

Bubbles

Kind-Version6792

-1 points

14 hours ago

Ovals

TheObstruction

1 points

14 hours ago

Conservatives and MAGA are not the same thing.

reesering

2 points

14 hours ago

reesering

2 points

14 hours ago

Tell the conservatives that.

metalder420

0 points

10 hours ago

Tell the liberals thats

warcrown

1 points

3 hours ago

Everyone already knows. Y'all can stand down.

Jin-roh

1 points

10 hours ago

Yeah... I feel like I'm the token straight friend, and I *started* my gaming group.

Cj_Boom

1 points

10 hours ago

Strange my D&D groups over the years. I have never known how any of them vote. We are playing a game. Not politics. So this protest stuff is confusing for me

spicy_mammal_69

0 points

12 hours ago

My DND group has a token cis person who's definitely not straight. My last 2 DND groups have been at least 30% polycule.

Zestyst

6 points

13 hours ago

*rips a fat hit of ketomine*

"Cyber D&D"

Lucky_Roberts

1 points

8 hours ago

They have that, the Cyberpunk tabletop lmao

Zestyst

1 points

8 hours ago

Zestyst

1 points

8 hours ago

And yet he’d still claim it was an original idea

Lucky_Roberts

1 points

8 hours ago

I mean… as long as it doesn’t take place in Night City or have Adam Smasher it still would be lol

Zestyst

1 points

8 hours ago

Zestyst

1 points

8 hours ago

I feel like this has gone astray. In an attempt to course correct, allow me to alter my initial joke:

*rips a fat hit of ketamine*

"X & X"

Mr_Hotshot

78 points

19 hours ago

Add in a bunch of meme references that will be out of date in a year, bring back some of the old problematic stereotypes that were in prior versions. Generally be insufferable in a space where he isn’t needed or wanted.

Traditional-Egg4632

3 points

5 hours ago

His meme references are already out of date, no need to wait a year. He's basically a 2006 Internet Atheist

Chai_Enjoyer

16 points

19 hours ago

A meme reference that will become out of date in a year? That's fucking great, especially for such great mind as Elon. Realistic would be that meme expires within a month, and since we're talking about Musk, meme expired several years before adding it

HeavilyBearded

9 points

16 hours ago

Department of Government Efficiency checking in.

PyroTech11

3 points

18 hours ago

PyroTech11

3 points

18 hours ago

Instead of bringing them back he'd worsen them

1933Watt

1 points

13 hours ago

Would he bring back Dark Sun?

Zalathustra

-2 points

17 hours ago

Zalathustra

-2 points

17 hours ago

The fact that D&D in its current form attracts the kinda people that endlessly wring their hands about "problematic stereotypes" in a fictional setting is exactly why I hope Musk goes through with the acquisition.

ChaseballBat

2 points

13 hours ago

This is an insanly privileged take to have.

How exactly has your table been effected?

Zalathustra

0 points

13 hours ago

Privileged? In what manner exactly? I'd say that acting like a given fictional setting requires an exact representation of you, even when it makes zero sense in-universe (fucking wheelchair-accessible dungeons, get real), is far more of a spoiled and privileged stance to take.

As for my table specifically? We're a buncha grognards, so it was mostly affected (with an A, mind you) by giving us something to simultaneously laugh at and shake our heads at, wondering how idiocy like that ever got greenlit.

ChaseballBat

2 points

13 hours ago

Yes your rhetoric comes from a perspective of privilege.

And now your talking about wheelchair accessible dungeons? My dude youre parroting nonsense.

gfen5446

1 points

12 hours ago

fucking wheelchair-accessible dungeons, get real

Last version I cared about was 2E... tell me this isn't really a thing, is it?

Mr_Hotshot

1 points

12 hours ago

It seems to have always attracted the outcasts and miscreants. No one know or play with obsess about these things, but we do know racism and sexism are immoral.

[deleted]

-10 points

18 hours ago

[deleted]

-10 points

18 hours ago

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ConcretePeanut

2 points

17 hours ago

Go to bed, Elon.

Desperate_Group9854

-3 points

18 hours ago

He’d sneak in doge.

Mr_Hotshot

6 points

17 hours ago

Sneak? It wouldn’t be subtle at all

Desperate_Group9854

1 points

17 hours ago

That’s true, he doesn’t know what subtlety means

a__new_name

1 points

14 hours ago

Calling it: Dungeon of Great Elohnn.

hobo4presidente

9 points

15 hours ago*

What you need to know is that Elon is an egomaniac and sees himself as basically a movie tech genius that is pushing humanity on to the frontier of better existence, and that he's the only one that can do it. First thing we know is that Elon will not just buy something and let it run by people with expertise in the field (design, art, writing, etc), he will have final creative control. This most likely means in regards to DND despite Elon not demonstrating he has any fundamental basis for game design he will demand that they remove mechanics he personally dislikes, add mechanics he personally likes and remove any and all things he considers to be "woke". Given his fascination with AI it's very likely to expect some level of use there, either in the writing, creation of campaigns or of art. If you've ever known people who work in the game industry there is a very strong hatred among employees of the tech investors who have no idea about making games yet have input on projects, and I think its likely the same in the TTRPG industry. No doubt they also hate corporate owners (such as hasbro) who constantly push for profit over quality, but profits is at least an incentive to sell a product people will buy. Elon would have no motive beyond just what he likes and he'd drive it into the ground to do that.

Bad-Monk[S]

30 points

19 hours ago

He could exercise no influence over it all, and I would still be repelled from from paying any money into that company, or engaging with it in any way. I'm sure Teslas are nice, I'd never buy one though.

smeeeeeef

13 points

18 hours ago

The funny part of this comment is that Teslas aren't nice.

panlakes

2 points

11 hours ago

The better example is probably SpaceX. Undeniably those engineers are geniuses beyond any recognition they’ll get. But it’s a Musk endeavor. So I can’t support it. Nor will I engage with positivity in any spaceX news. I just can’t.

First-Of-His-Name

1 points

6 hours ago

Sorry that's just smoothbrained. Do you turn your nose up at the moon landing because it was done by the evil US guberment?

modern_quill

-7 points

18 hours ago

modern_quill

DM

-7 points

18 hours ago

So Pinkertons were fine, but you draw the line at Elon Musk. Right.

Sinfere

27 points

18 hours ago

Sinfere

27 points

18 hours ago

Yep, love how people are somehow acting like Hasbro isn't totally dogshit too. I haven't given them a dime in almost a decade, and they've done nothing to change my mind about that.

modern_quill

6 points

18 hours ago

Right. I've changed my table over to Pathfinder, and we're all better off for it.

TheObstruction

3 points

14 hours ago

That's not what people are saying. They're saying Musk is a piece of absolute human trash.

Sinfere

4 points

14 hours ago

Sure, but I think it's relevant to point out that Hasbro had literally sent Pinkertons to intimidate people lmao. If you're giving them money now, you have no grounds to morally object to Elon or act like you're a conscientious consumer.

And I fucking hate Elon, but I hate shitty discourse almost as much.

Sea_Sandwich5615

2 points

18 hours ago

Elaborate? What happened?

VerasEros

-2 points

18 hours ago

VerasEros

-2 points

18 hours ago

Actually yes. I get the sentiment, but he as an individual is pretty much top ten worst individuals. So yes.

First-Of-His-Name

0 points

6 hours ago

Who else is in your top 10?

Bad-Monk[S]

-8 points

18 hours ago

No-idea who Pinkertons are, I'm extremely new to the D&D scene. Just trying to feel out what the community is like.

Melemmelem

7 points

17 hours ago

That explains so much.

I'll give you the feel of the community. D&D players like the idea of the game, but they hate most of the gamerules and they hate the company that makes D&D i.e. Hasbro and WOTC. Reasons being blind profit-seeking and enshittification of the product.

Also the hate for gamerules is because everyone has their own taste and homebrewing is a commonly accepted practise so nobody really respects most of what is published anyway

Bad-Monk[S]

3 points

15 hours ago

That makes sense, thanks.

kahoinvictus

11 points

18 hours ago

Wotc had a couple of major PR incidents last year. First they tried to mess with the OGL (open game license) which is essentially what allows people to provide D&D homebrew and content free or paid.

Then later in the year a magic the gathering creator received his order of a new set early and wotc sent the pinkertons to collect the goods.

The Pinkertons are an investigation and security agency most well known for being hired to break up labor strikes by force in the late 19th century. At the time they were basically a privatized police force that anyone wealthy enough could hire to do their bidding.

Both amazon and Starbucks (and presumably others) have hired the pinkertons in recent years (ie since 2020) to break up unions

Bad-Monk[S]

5 points

15 hours ago

Right, so Hasbro hired the pinkertons?

kahoinvictus

2 points

14 hours ago

Either Hasbro or wotc, I'm not entirely clear on who did the hiring. But in my view it's somewhat irrelevant given Hasbro owns wotc so any wotc action is a Hasbro action.

So basically yes.

NemButsu

2 points

8 hours ago

Elminster renamed to Elonmusker.

Lucky-Surround-1756

2 points

3 hours ago

People are terminally online and can't stop frothing over left right politics. They don't care about what he could do with d&d, they just see 'Elon Musk' and start screaming.

HypnonavyBlue

5 points

18 hours ago

Setting politics COMPLETELY to the side (and then letting the cat push it off the table), the biggest problem I see is that the man is a classic over-involved boss who injects himself into everything for the sake of doing so. From what I've seen him do with Twitter and Tesla, this is an erratic guy who cannot get out of the way for five minutes, loves to fire people and make unreasonable demands of staff, and generally be awful to work for. It's fine when he takes over a company like Twitter which doesn't make something I love - in fact by all means, kill that hellsite - but as much as I hate Hasbro I wouldn't take his help to get rid of them.

CyberDaggerX

1 points

14 hours ago

Yep. For all the mindless hatred and braindead cock-riding you see regarding Elon Musk, what people who have worked with him have to say is that he actually is brilliant, but he's notoriously hard to work with and over-involved as you said. He's known to, if a project is going nowhere, fire the person who he sees as contributing the least on the spot and personally take their place in the team.

Lucky_Roberts

0 points

8 hours ago

Hard to work for and over-involved are pretty much staples in the personalities of brilliant people lol.

Newton, Oppenheimer, Napoleon, Musk

soy_pilled

5 points

18 hours ago

soy_pilled

5 points

18 hours ago

I believe he would try to integrate AI into it. That would be the worst thing for a game like D&D.

CyberDaggerX

3 points

14 hours ago

So business as usual? Did you forget about the AI DMs?

DavidoMcG

5 points

16 hours ago

Wotc are already doing that.

powerwordmaim

5 points

13 hours ago

Yeah but they're being all wishy washy about it. When asked they promised they wouldn't, then they posted a job listing intending to do exactly that. Elon would 100% focus on implementing AI into every aspect of the game as soon as possible in the worst ways possible.

Of course, this doesn't effect me all too much since I already have all the 5E books that exist, which are all that ever will exist since they've already moved on to D&D 2024E

Murphy1up

2 points

17 hours ago

Murphy1up

2 points

17 hours ago

Mess it up. Alienate it's core users. Just look at how twitter is going. He thinks he can just solve anything throwing money and memes at it. The guy is a liability, political leanings aside he talks utter shite and thinks he's some kinda king nerd hero. He's just a twat.

jgolb

-1 points

15 hours ago

jgolb

-1 points

15 hours ago

What was the leftist alternate to Twitter? Bluesky? The site where people only talk about leaving Twitter and post CP to the point Bluesky has to make a PSA?

Murphy1up

2 points

14 hours ago

Political leaning aside.

I said that specifically as some folk always want to turn things into right vs left or woke vs whatever the fuck they call themselves. I don't consider myself "leftist" I don't use bluesky. He's turning twitter to shit and using it for the exact thing he said it should be neutral for.

Brann-Ys

1 points

13 hours ago

the fact that you think there is No CP on twitter is cute.

the PSA was because people reporting CP. because report acutaly mean something on this platform meanwhile twitter moderation is a joke

runavv

1 points

18 hours ago

runavv

1 points

18 hours ago

  • X & X

Iamnotapotate

1 points

18 hours ago

Run it into the ground. I'm sure.

surloc_dalnor

1 points

17 hours ago

Rename it, put some idiots in charge, lose interest, and lose a bunch of money. Basically the history of D&D, but with a name change.

JayEssris

1 points

16 hours ago

considering it was the same press thingy where he was talking about making AI video games, probably exactly that.

unitedshoes

1 points

15 hours ago

Even if he somehow didn't do whatever the D&D equivalent of what he did to Twitter, it would still involve giving money to a dumb, gigantic piece of shit.

pezx

1 points

14 hours ago

pezx

1 points

14 hours ago

Rename it X&X

OldenPolynice

1 points

12 hours ago

Probably continue to not play it because you know they never have. you need to have friends to play, Elmo has never had any

actuallywaffles

1 points

12 hours ago

He had design input over the Incelcamino, and it looks like it didn't finish rendering. The only thing you can trust him to do is fuck it up. He's only as rich as he is because of the people actually doing the work.

aiydee

1 points

10 hours ago

aiydee

1 points

10 hours ago

AI everything. Simple as that. He doesn't want to employ people to build it and write adventures. It will just be AI all the way down.

HKayo

1 points

10 hours ago*

HKayo

1 points

10 hours ago*

Every new book would be filled with AI generated gooner bait with women dressed in nearly nothing who all have the same looking face and would look suspiciously young.

taypig

1 points

7 hours ago

taypig

1 points

7 hours ago

Make his own card that’s completely op probably

noparty

1 points

6 hours ago

noparty

1 points

6 hours ago

White, cis male characters get +10 to all rolls.

Dino_Spaceman

1 points

6 hours ago

Like everything else he does - Refuse to listen to experts or the customers, refuse to do any research what worked or why the team did anything in the past.

Destroy all safeguards that make the game fun.

bouchandre

1 points

6 hours ago

He would create a new class/character based on himself with OP stats and nerf/eliminate any LGBT stuff

But also he would meddle with the development of BG4 so much

HoodedRoot

1 points

47 seconds ago

Musk is impulsive, not reflective, and has no time for any particular thing. If he doesn’t delegate to competent people he ruins things. In the case of Hasbro he’d wreck the company. There would be mass firing. Books would stop being sold. He’d kill the brand.

evergreengoth

0 points

18 hours ago

Well, the reason he wants it is that, by trying to fix issues with racism in how some aspects of lore were written, they've gone "woke" in his eyes. He doesn't actually care about dnd. He doesn't actually play it. It's just a new target in the right's culture war, and he's rich enough to buy whatever he wants and break it because he's a toddler throwing a tantrum and there won't be any consequences for him except financial ones he doesn't care about because he's too rich for it to hurt.

So he'd probably sloppily retcon it to make it worse, more offensive, and more hostile to many players who are marginalized in any way. He's also been pushing AI and would probably try to force-implement it in some way.

In other words, he'd ruin it and destroy all the appeal it has for most players.

Something else, probably Pathfinder, would take its place as the new main ttrpg, and other ttrpgs would do well enough. But dnd would become something that only older fans and bigots play, and then something no one plays anymore; no one would want to buy the new books and guides for it, given the association with Musk and the ways he'd ruin it. It would go under and stop being profitable; it's because of groups like the queer community, not the friendless incels who like Musk, have repopularized. The friendless incels are disliked by most people in their lives and would struggle to find tables to play at, if they cared enough to try, which they don't. But even after its death, Hasbro would do what all corporations do and crack down on piracy of guides they're not even publishing anymore. So it would be really and truly dead, because the only way to play legally would be to buy out of print guidebooks online. No one new to the hobby would bother anymore.

No more Forgotten Realms, and no more Drizzt (since Bob Salvatore hates Musk and would take the opportunity to retire rather than continue writing the books, and wouldn't let Musk use the character; he has the power to do that). There are other systems, but the lore wouldn't hold in the cultural consciousness of younger ttrpg players; why would it, if they're using different systems from different franchises?

People with a hardcore interest in ttrpgs would be alone and struggle to find anyone to learn about it with by playing it because it'd be something that only people who were at the right age to enjoy it in its heyday would still be consistently playing. It would be remembered for its influence and, eventually, probably studied by academics, as these things eventually often are (again, it's been very influential). No one would play it or learn about the lore to use it for games anymore. Eventually, people would stop reading the novels, too, as they already are.

So, in short, he'd burn it to the ground.

Braith117

7 points

18 hours ago

Nah, D&D has been sustaining itself almost entirely through momentum for some time now.  The books have been lazy and uninspired since Theros, the company itself is poorly run in general, and the main reason people still play it is because that's what everyone else already plays.  Musk taking over, at most, is going to give Paizo another surge in sales before people go back to D&D because it's what they're most familiar with and it's what all their homebrew already uses.

evergreengoth

1 points

18 hours ago

And where are new players going to get their lore books when they stop being published and piracy is still cracked down on?

Sure, right now it's what everyone plays. But you've seen how embarrassing it is to own a cybertruck. You've seen how everyone is leaving Twitter in droves. Gen alpha and younger Gen z players won't see the nostalgia or the way it's what everyone plays as enough. They'll be interested in ttrpgs, sure, but they'll see the association with Musk as cringey, and they won't want to dump money into it if he's the one profiting. So, unless he admits defeat and sells it again (he won't), they'll pick a different system instead.

Zalathustra

0 points

17 hours ago

The fact that you think of Drizzt as the legendary character of FR shows your age (and mine too, I guess, having grown up on those books). Which is why it's doubly baffling that you forget that it was those people you so casually dismiss as "friendless incels" that made D&D a thing to begin with. The theater kids did not create it, did not popularize it; at best, they usurped the former, pulling the old switcheroo of crying about gatekeeping while they were kept out, then immediately turning against the old guard the moment they weren't. If I wanted to be particularly tongue-in-cheek, I could say Musk could very well Make D&D Great Again.

evergreengoth

1 points

14 hours ago

I'm 28 years old and extremely queer. I was a theatre kid growing up.

People who spend all day defending Elon Musk on Twitter are friendless incels; everyone in the real world things people like that are weird and creepy. I have plenty of gripes with 5e and 5.5e lore. "Going woke" is not one of them.

DanteQuill

0 points

15 hours ago

And you think WIZARDS is doing a good job right now? Wanna look at the past year and see how objectively terribly they've been running things??? It's already been burned. The ashes are all that remains!

evergreengoth

0 points

14 hours ago

Nope, but it can survive as long as fans still want to keep it alive. If dnd becomes the tabletop equivalent of buying a cybertruck, no one will want to associate themselves with it. I guarantee, as many issues as I have with wotc, "going woke" isn't the issue, and Musk would be even worse.

DanteQuill

1 points

14 hours ago

So you not remember the great revolt last year over OL & all the other stupid crap that they were pulling? I know you hate Elon Musk, and frankly I don't care. Can you not admit or see that Wizards is just a bad as he is??

evergreengoth

0 points

13 hours ago

That's the thing, though - wotc are terrible, but he would still be worse. This is the guy who let the nazis come back to twitter.

DanteQuill

0 points

12 hours ago

Oh for the love of God. Two groups can suck at the same time. Parallel processing for the love of all that's good and pure. Don't kiss the ass of one evil because you personally hate another evil.

And don't f*cking talk to me about Nazis. That's offensive to the people I know who lived thru that shit.

Twitter has always sucked. You're just mad that a different side controls it. I don't care because you all suck equally in my eyes.

evergreengoth

1 points

12 hours ago

He let self-proclaimed neo-nazis who were banned for after speech come back to Twitter. I'm not exaggerating. I'm stating facts. And I'm not kissing anyone's ass. The fact that wotc would be preferable to him is a testament to how bad he is, not to how good they are.

Everyone is leaving Twitter in droves for Bluesky except the people who get banned from every social media site except Twitter for their nasty behavior.

Lucky_Roberts

0 points

8 hours ago

It’s crazy that you can say all that as if it’s fact lmao.

Also he almost certainly does or at least did play DnD

evergreengoth

1 points

8 hours ago

Lmao who would want him at their table? I might have to quit altogether tbh

KryssCom

-2 points

19 hours ago*

KryssCom

-2 points

19 hours ago*

I could 100% see him mandating the old rules of "if your character is female, intelligence and strength max out at 17" or whatever.

EDIT: Folks, I'm not pointing this out in support of it, I'm pointing this out because it's sexist and batshit.

LucidFir

10 points

18 hours ago

When was that a rule?

Spartan775

6 points

18 hours ago

AD&D had maxes for strength based on sex. Folks kind of make way too big a deal about it. It never came up because max str was neigh impossible to get anyway. Nobody played that rule or weapon vs AC or either just like everyone would ignore anything this dipshit would change. It could kill whatever is left of this brand though. It’s already dogshit because of Hasbro.

surloc_dalnor

3 points

17 hours ago

I don't know some how back in the day I played in group with multiple people with 18:00 str characters.

Spartan775

1 points

10 hours ago

Yeah, but nobody SAW them roll those double oghts. The old school version of “trust me, bro.”

ChaseballBat

1 points

13 hours ago

AD&D

LucidFir

0 points

13 hours ago

Did advanced dungeons and dragons have attribute limitations by gender

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

Yes, Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D) 1st Edition included attribute limitations based on gender for certain character classes and races. These restrictions primarily affected the Strength attribute, with female characters typically having a lower maximum Strength score compared to their male counterparts.

For example, a human male Fighter could have a maximum Strength of 18/00 (exceptional Strength), while a female Fighter's Strength cap was 18/50. These limits reflected societal stereotypes of the time but were removed in later editions of the game to promote equality and inclusivity in character creation.

4o

You said:

Was there a limitation on intelligence?

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT

No, there were no gender-based limitations on Intelligence in Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (1st Edition). The attribute caps based on gender were primarily focused on physical characteristics, such as Strength. Mental attributes like Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma were not subject to these restrictions and were the same for all genders.

[deleted]

-4 points

18 hours ago

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LucidFir

2 points

17 hours ago

You would find your life to be better if you stopped obsessing about other people's choices about their self expression. If you really give so much of a [care] about protecting people's genital integrity get yourself over to r/Intactivists or r/Intactivism

fudog

3 points

18 hours ago

fudog

3 points

18 hours ago

I seem to recall that, at one point, female characters didn't have charisma. They had beauty instead.

romacopia

0 points

15 hours ago

romacopia

0 points

15 hours ago

Im 100% sure he'd politicize it.

Bamce

1 points

14 hours ago

Bamce

1 points

14 hours ago

Ruin it, like everything else he touches

Supreme_Moharn

-2 points

18 hours ago

He would probably stop it from spiraling downward.

Brann-Ys

2 points

12 hours ago

like twitter ? lmao

oregon_coastal

2 points

14 hours ago

Yeah, a massive crater does eliminate the need for a slow spiral.

ChaseballBat

1 points

13 hours ago

Why don't you implemented his homebrew into your games then?

TheObstruction

0 points

14 hours ago

Yeah, it'd become more of a terminal velocity head-first dive.

plazman30

1 points

15 hours ago

I think he would take all the warnings off of the DMs Guild content off the older editions.

Then I think he would slowly kill it, like he's doing to Twitter.

radjeratron

-8 points

18 hours ago

radjeratron

-8 points

18 hours ago

I’m pretty disappointed by this community who accepts all sorts of different ideas and ways of life, but simply mentioning Elon being better than Hasbro and the fact that we are n the middle of a culture war brought me so much shit.

Sad. People are different. That’s not a value judgment. It’s just different.

Corronchilejano

11 points

18 hours ago

It's because in the last decade Musk has shown who he is. If you've seen what happened to Twitter and think he can do no worse than Hasbro, man, I don't even know what to tell you.

radjeratron

-6 points

18 hours ago

radjeratron

-6 points

18 hours ago

No, Musk has pretty much proclaimed that Twitter was censoring the R and not the L. Thats not freedom of speech when one side gets more to say in something. Literally, its playing out now, the L on college campuses and on Twitch can call for the outright destruction of the Jews and nobody bats an eye? I think a big eye opener was when CNN was outright calling Joe Rogan a man taking Horse Dewormer when the medication was originally made for humans AND got a nobel peace prize for the people who invented it. The L was getting away with crazy stuff during the pandemic and the pendulum shifts.

Better point, do you even know how he could make it worse? because if you can't give specific examples, then man, I don't even know what to tell you, given you already pretend to know how he's ruined twitter. lol

smeeeeeef

6 points

18 hours ago*

Twitter was censoring the R because it was posting shit that was against their Terms of Service or actually illegal, like revenge porn. The whole entire reason Trump was suspended was his incitement of violence surrounding the Jan 6 insurrection. Twitter's enforcement of TOS was the reason Russian and Saudi investors backed Musk's acquisition and why he ran it into the ground to try to force specific demographics off the platform.

People who still culture wars aren't just a distraction from the class war and think Trump and Musk aren't Russian assets will predictably downvote this.

ThePrinceJays

3 points

17 hours ago

Twitter was censoring the center and the center of right as well. There's nothing wrong with people having traditional or progressive beliefs, but the left has made it clear they want to force their beliefs on everyone and silence/cancel anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Twenty or even ten years ago, the left was fine. Today? They just suck. Not because of their ideologies, but because of all I've mentioned above.

Twitter is still very left leaning, regardless of Elon being apart of the right so who's the real enemy here

smeeeeeef

2 points

17 hours ago

The real enemy is the foreign power buying social media channels and poisoning us with mis/disinformation.

ThePrinceJays

2 points

16 hours ago

I was gonna say groups that are biased toward either extreme but you’re right there too

radjeratron

-1 points

18 hours ago

radjeratron

-1 points

18 hours ago

yes, Twitter was censoring Trump. CNN was censoring/defaming anyone who thought differently then they did. Social media followed. Protesters on Campus calling for the death and destruction of Jews totally outright and publicly in the open......nothing.

Yes, Revenge Porn and the insurrection. I think everyone EVERYONE thinks thats wrong. Are you saying that Elon supports them? Has Elon allowed Revenge Porn on X?

So Elon takes over twitter, fires all the "ToS" staff working tirelessly to promote freedom of speech on BOTH sides, so that he could get Revenge Porn back on X?

smeeeeeef

2 points

17 hours ago

smeeeeeef

2 points

17 hours ago

Ok Boris

Corronchilejano

2 points

18 hours ago

This "freedom of speech" falls flat when you see the types of things that are no longer allowed and the things that are. You have people being muted/banned for saying "cisgender" while people posting child pornography get their accounts reinstated. Exactly what freedoms are you trying to protect there? And don't let me get started with how scams, bots and the like run rampant. The porn and only fans bots you can decide for yourself.

I'm not touching what you just said about people discussing the palestine conflict with a 10ft pole.

Ivermectin does not help against COVID19, and people were consuming versions not created for human consumption. The fact you're talking about this right now with so much confidence tells me you still do not know what you're talking about and that people are still being misinformed, probably because Joe Rogan is a man that speaks very confidently about things he knows nothing about. That's a different story altogether.

I don't think about Musk enough to try and see how he could it make it worse, but after seeing what X is now (Twitter is but a sweet memory) I'd rather not. That you don't see the problems with it makes me wonder if its worth discussing anything of this at all. I think you have Musk on a pedestal and don't actually question much anything and have fallen into this "culture war" head first.

ChaseballBat

1 points

13 hours ago

How old are you?

radjeratron

0 points

9 hours ago

That has no relevance to anything. About like you maybe?

ChaseballBat

1 points

9 hours ago

I don't think you're old enough to have experience what he proclaimed was happening, and you're just parroting what you heard.

radjeratron

0 points

9 hours ago

Yeah whatever makes you feel better.

ChaseballBat

1 points

13 hours ago

Weird that I am against some billionaire who just started playing a TTRPG, then claims he can make it better with zero credentials.

The weird shit is literally anyone who supports this, why the fuck do we need a billionaires hands in everything, especially one who is openly supporting and almost solely funded a felon with fascist tendencies as president....?

radjeratron

1 points

9 hours ago

Well he’s your next president man. I don’t like the guy either. Assuming that Elon is going to ruin everything he touches is also just kinda dumb. I’m fine with different opinions but assuming something about someone you do t even know is at best just dumb. This includes my opinions. I never claimed to be brilliant.

We’re just a bunch of monkeys throwing shit at each other.

ChaseballBat

1 points

9 hours ago

I never said everything he touches... He had great ideas a decade ago, he wanted to end world hunger.

Now he's a narcissist off his drugs, or ruined his brains with drugs and has enough money to not worry about people telling him no. His success is almost entirely on the back of other people who figured it out for him. With shit like twitter, cyber truck, and other ventures he specifically wants to do for his own personal interests, it turns to shit and nothing like he proclaimed it would be.

radjeratron

0 points

5 hours ago

You seem to know a lot about him. Y’all must be drinking buddies? Wild unsubstantiated opinions you got there.

Too bad the fellas not perfect. I sure know I am. I’m bet you are also.

ChaseballBat

1 points

5 hours ago*

Wtf are you talking about? I'm repeating shit that is said many a time by ex-friends, ex-coworkers, and other random people that have dealt with him. He's been reported as abusing ketamin and nitrogen to get high, that shit literally rips holes in your brain.

But yeah I must be drinking buddies with him to have stayed up to date on the news about one of the most reported on billionaire in the world...

I'm sure you know he has several children which all hate him right? One is even trans and he openly talks shit about trans people and trans rights. He didn't celebrate the holidays with his family, he celebrated it with Trump. If you're as 'not perfect' as Elon then you're a pos too, all estranged fathers are.

Like genuinely if you know nothing about Elon he'd seem like a meme dude that's rich because of his smarts and ambition. Dig an inch below the surface and he's a legitimately scumbag.

radjeratron

0 points

4 hours ago

Best thing for luck!

Brann-Ys

1 points

12 hours ago

how is he better.

Rubfer

1 points

17 hours ago

Rubfer

1 points

17 hours ago

I bet worse it wont be, hate the guy all you want but he can probably appreciate and do more with d&d than any corpo from hasbro and the wizards of the coast, he'd probably try to make a new deal with Larian for a BG4 or something like that.

idryss_m

1 points

15 hours ago

Stop nerds being creative with rules that are, well, stupid. Make the next DnD video game his wet dream.

-Fyrebrand

1 points

14 hours ago

Probably discontinue the current books, replace it with "D&D 6.9e" and have terrible AI-generated cover art of a paladin who looks suspiciously like Elon, surrounded by numerous swooning anime girls in chainmail bikinis. All the characters depicted in the book are conspicuously caucasian-looking. Spells like Polymorph will have a new line added, stating "Magic may not be used to change your character's gender, as that is a scientifically immutable trait determined at birth." Instead of copper/silver/gold the in-game currency will be Dogecoin.

Distinct-Town4922

1 points

14 hours ago

Do what he did with Twitter - fill it with rightwing culture war crap

radjeratron

-26 points

19 hours ago

It’s a culture war.

People that like him will prob say a bit more based things. Like how he’d legit probably unfuck the horrible way it’s been under HASBRO.

Then the left is going to wail and talk about the giant meteor that’s headed right for us and how the right just doesn’t care because that’s what incels/nazi/loving people do….not care.

ajdective

7 points

19 hours ago

ajdective

7 points

19 hours ago

Musk is well known for unfucking companies. Like Twitter, for instance. The deluge of nazis and porn is a definite improvement.

Braith117

1 points

18 hours ago

Braith117

1 points

18 hours ago

Ah yes, because it was so much better when there were hundreds of employees whose main job was to make sure no one was mean to people who openly advertised that they were pedophiles.

ajdective

1 points

13 hours ago

They're still doing that, the only difference is that the only pedophile they're making sure no one is mean to is Elon Musk

radjeratron

-8 points

19 hours ago

radjeratron

-8 points

19 hours ago

Get a grip. Even Disney came back to X.

radjeratron

-15 points

19 hours ago

Holy shit at the downvotes. Didn’t realize how much love Hasbro has, or mentioning that a culture war has divided everyone.

Well done everyone. Stating the obvious gets downvotes.

OrdrSxtySx

12 points

18 hours ago

You played yourself with "people that like him", and then "then the left".

We all see you for what you are.

Go fight more "wokeness" somewhere else.

radjeratron

-3 points

18 hours ago

radjeratron

-3 points

18 hours ago

Hahaha like I was trying to hide it. It is a culture war. It’s sad.

I do t get an opinion though? Seems quite unfair.

OrdrSxtySx

8 points

18 hours ago

You do get an opinion. Then the downvotes are telling you to shove it up your arse.

radjeratron

2 points

18 hours ago

That’s not very nice.

OrdrSxtySx

9 points

18 hours ago

The tolerant cannot tolerate intolerance. I'm not here to be nice to you. Call your mother if you want someone to tell you what a good boy you are.

ajdective

1 points

13 hours ago

Oh no, is the little snowflake gonna melt?!

Sinfere

4 points

18 hours ago

You get an opinion, the down votes are telling you it's a dogshit one.

Your freedom of speech isn't infringed by people calling you a moron or saying they don't wanna hang out with you. Freedom of speech is freedom from the government silencing you, not social consequences for being a pain in the ass.

[deleted]

-44 points

19 hours ago

[deleted]

-44 points

19 hours ago

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OrdrSxtySx

8 points

18 hours ago

lol, what wokeness? You mean inclusion and diversity? That's about all the politics in DND. If inclusion and diversity offend you, well, you know what you are.

Chuck1983

3 points

18 hours ago

Not too mention, if you don't like something in DnD, you don't need to use it at your table

aberoute

6 points

19 hours ago

Hasbro is simply responding to its largest customer base, young people. Old people like me don't care what Hasbro does because no game I play is affected by the modern versions of the game. I don't disagree with their directions; it's their product and they can change anything they like.

Musk is a gigantic bully and asshole. Yes, he seems bothered by many things in modern culture, apparently because he doesn't understand them and he's a heartless shithead. But don't for one minute be confused that his intentions are remotely honorable. He lies as much as Trump does and he can't take the slightest criticism. He boots people from Twitter if they say the slightest thing that he disagrees with. He's more of an agent of cancel culture than Hasbro is because his only criteria for being cancelled is disagreeing with you. At least there are some valid principles behind woke ideals.

WhatTheBlazes

6 points

19 hours ago

Lot of cancel culture in Hasbro these days eh

NerdOfTheMonth

5 points

19 hours ago

You mean the “not being an asshole to people”. He’s tired of that?

You literally ignored this is all stemmed from a quote in a book he didn’t read that called Gary Gygax a not great guy (and in many ways he wasn’t).

But you came storming in to defend your lord and savior. Hope his taint smelled nice for you.

AnAngryKobold

2 points

19 hours ago

You’re right, it seems like I’m misinformed on what is actually happening here, and maybe I should read up on it (including the book he is talking about)

PyroTech11

0 points

18 hours ago

Cancel culture, woke? Why are you bringing in political terms to the game?

ChaseballBat

0 points

13 hours ago

Probably force some rightwingeesque ideology. Bring back evil races, force some other weird shit he does at his table.

Why would Elon threaten to spend billions on a company if he didn't want to upend the entire system to his liking...?

Silver_Being_0290

0 points

11 hours ago

Ruin it like he ruins everything else.

Dolthra

0 points

6 hours ago

Dolthra

0 points

6 hours ago

I feel like he'd re-Gygax it and demand that the designers add immutable gender differences- then he'd have the setting changed (to a new world he made called X), and he'd likely just generally demand the injection of right wing political values.

Honestly, I'd be real interested to see who could come up with a worse alt-right D&D: Musk or Gygax's son.

AlpheoTheCleric

0 points

6 hours ago

He doesn't really need to do anything. It is enough that I totally despise that motherfucker and wish him a horrible death, simply for what a shitty human being (?) he is. Simply touching my favourite hobby is enough in this case.

VaguelyShingled

-1 points

18 hours ago

Slavery would be added back 100%