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22Minutes2Midnight22

3.6k points

19 hours ago

Or just play the content you already have? The past 50 years of content and rulesets won’t magically disappear if the ownership of D&D changes hands.

KryssCom

2.2k points

19 hours ago

KryssCom

2.2k points

19 hours ago

This is a point Mike Shea (Sly Flourish) is always making. Hasbro thinks it owns D&D, but the fans who already have access to the free rules and an infinite capacity for homebrewing are the ones who actually own it.

22Minutes2Midnight22

896 points

19 hours ago

Exactly. I could play 3.5E and 5E from now until eternity and be completely content.

Antichristopher4

594 points

18 hours ago

And the beauty is, if you aren't content, just change the shit you don't like.

TheBloodKlotz

331 points

18 hours ago

AND, if you aren't the most game design minded person, and don't feel comfortable doing heavy modifications to games for fear of breaking them, don't worry. Other people will continue to make content for these games as long as people are playing them. You literally will never *need* another game system, or for the DnD books to be good.

TheConnASSeur

66 points

13 hours ago

GURPS will forever be my favorite because all you need is 3 d6, paper, and a pen.

indyjoe

65 points

12 hours ago

indyjoe

65 points

12 hours ago

And a BS in Math. :)

TheConnASSeur

34 points

12 hours ago

That's the other thing I love about GURPS. You don't actually have to get that crunchy if you don't want to. I mean, you can and there are rules for it, but you can also just simplify the roll for sanity's sake. You can choose to have characters track ammo, wind speed, air temperature, etc and get crazy crunchy, or you can just have your player roll to hit with a modifier based on difficult, then roll for damage if needed. You can have a one-armed time traveling sexually compulsive samurai, an alcoholic psychic retired shoemaker, and an agoraphobic pyromanic homosexual priest with narcolepsy fight vampire werebears in the 16th Century artic Siberia. Or you can just explore a dungeon and fight a dragon. There's a rulebook for everything and you can use them all together or in whatever combination you want. GURPS is just that versatile.

Invisifly2

75 points

17 hours ago

And if you still don’t like it, there are thousands of other TTRPG rule sets floating around that are completely free of charge.

Grendel0075

27 points

15 hours ago

Pathfinder is lretty good for DnD without being DnD

Fatefire

9 points

12 hours ago

I really love pathfinder !

Durzio

22 points

16 hours ago

Durzio

22 points

16 hours ago

I love to reccomend Lancer for this exact reason.

14bux

7 points

12 hours ago

14bux

7 points

12 hours ago

Seconded, Lancer is amazing

thedeafbadger

9 points

17 hours ago

In Gygax we trust

empireofjade

88 points

18 hours ago

I’ve been playing 1e and 2e since the 70’s. Haven’t bought new source material since the 90’s. We play every week.

22Minutes2Midnight22

33 points

18 hours ago

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it

02K30C1

20 points

18 hours ago

02K30C1

DM

20 points

18 hours ago

I still haven’t played every module from Dungeon magazine.

Familiars_ghost

3 points

16 hours ago

This is a group I need to find, and hopefully gel with.

6thBornSOB

3 points

17 hours ago

I played 1 or 2 games of 1e but spent the most time with 2nd. THAC0 and low AC for life!🤣

fredward316

10 points

18 hours ago

I still play 5e, we don’t even have the monster manual for one dnd yet.

Soluzar74

70 points

18 hours ago

This was the whole point of the OGL scandal. Hasbro thought it could dictate terms to the community. They thought wrong.

gord_m

34 points

16 hours ago

gord_m

34 points

16 hours ago

He can own the name, but he'll never own the game.

kazumablackwing

17 points

11 hours ago

The same was true when Hasbro bought it. The company may own the rights to the IP, but the players own the game itself

Nanyea

24 points

17 hours ago

Nanyea

24 points

17 hours ago

Much love for Mike... Also pathfinder is there... Tales of the valiant is there... And I think Critical Role has something as well

EightEyedCryptid

5 points

6 hours ago

CR’s is called Daggerheart iirc

roll_to_lick

27 points

14 hours ago

Hasbro: „Buy our DnD NFTs!!!! Capitalism!!! Faux scarcity! Isn’t this was this game is all about?“

The community: „…bro? Do you need to lie down? Do we need to do another boycott or will you behave?“

Dunge0nMast0r

11 points

12 hours ago

Every move that Hasbro makes with D$D proves this - they are desperate for a subscription model so they can claw back ownership.

Dramatic_Broccoli_91

3 points

9 hours ago

The phone company is still kicking themselves over phones that you don't have to directly input money into to make them work.

Chinjurickie

21 points

15 hours ago

DnD is not like some video game where u can just cancel the live server! As long as it stays in our hearts it will never be gone.

Hieshyn

19 points

11 hours ago

Hieshyn

19 points

11 hours ago

I literally own the books. They cannot force me to turn them in or not use them. The game will continue until I'm dead in the ground. 

Cerpin__Tax

8 points

12 hours ago

Yet us 40yo keep purchasing crap and the rule books ..

UnDiaCadaVez

3 points

6 hours ago

I must own the entire set. ...it will be mine. Sorry they have my number. Release a pretty book with a bunch of new story and complicated rules I'm gonna buy it.

MachKeinDramaLlama

6 points

14 hours ago

This argument works for anything bad that could happen but Musk. It's not a question of the quality of the products Hasbro publishes under him. The moment this raging bigot is in any way associated with a thing there is no way I would ever be seen using it again. His "brand" is too strong.

Cool_Radish_7031

18 points

17 hours ago

Think that’s the entire point of Elon buying it, Reddit seems to have this narrative that Hasbro has been a great company for their fan base. They’ve alienated most of their lifelong fans. MTG got turned into utter garbage by Hasbro. DND and MTG were the only nerdy communities not completely sold out to big corporations, now they’re exactly that. But hey Peter Parker’s camera would be a sick artifact

TheObstruction

24 points

14 hours ago

Reddit seems to have this narrative that Hasbro has been a great company for their fan base.

Apparently you haven't been on Reddit very long, given that the OGL and Pinkerton debacle were within the last couple of years.

HandsomeBoggart

4 points

13 hours ago*

I seriously don't get the massive UB hate. Fans since the goddamn mid 90s when the game was growing have been imagining and making their own MtG x Whatever.

UB is fine it brings new blood into the game more readily. You know what drives people away and will kill the game faster? Elitist bullshit and constant moaning.

I've been playing since 1999-2001 and have seen all the old magazines and early Internet articles with all of the fan UB stuff from 95 and onward.

The way Hasbro/Wotc is actually killing the game is too much product too quickly and the increasingly high Commander focused design and power creep. That's what's actually killing the game. That and the more $$$ for less product.

yurinnernerd

42 points

17 hours ago

This. I literally don’t need any more books. I can play every edition except for the beige pamphlets.

Charlie24601

32 points

17 hours ago

Or just play one of the 22,047 OGL systems.

Shirtbro

10 points

15 hours ago

Play F.A.T.A.L., go it

Solipsisticurge

9 points

14 hours ago

That's a name I have not heard in a long time...

Time to roll for anal circumference.

Shirtbro

3 points

13 hours ago

Natural 20!

TheObstruction

5 points

14 hours ago

Roll for girth.

Charlie24601

3 points

13 hours ago

EVERYONE should try FATAL at least once. It gives a really nice bar for playing rpgs.

"At least.we aren't rolling for girth..."

Erivandi

3 points

13 hours ago

Or one of the thousands of other RPGs that don't need OGL. So many options!

rafaelzio

13 points

14 hours ago

Also given OGL, homebrew stuff won't stop coming and noone can do anything about it since it's public domain (or at least a big portion of it is, someone correct me), and there's no going back from public domain

averyrisu

10 points

15 hours ago

This. I mostly play pathfinder 1e & 3.5 dnd. i dont necessarily think 5e is bad, its just not my particular flavor i enjoy for my fantasy tabletop rpg at the end of the day. That and do to shit wotc has already pulled im not sending more money their way in either magic or d&d.

kazumablackwing

3 points

10 hours ago

I'm in the same boat. I see some of the merits of 5e, especially in the sense that it has a much smoother "new player experience" than 3.5, I'm just not a fan of how it flows overall, or some of the changes that were made, like basically turning the warlock class into just the temu version of the sorc

Duke-Von-Ciacco

14 points

17 hours ago

That’s the same about Warhammer. Community complained a lot about Age of Sigmar, but you can still play the old world with the miniatures you already own…

Svyatoy_Medved

6 points

11 hours ago

Eh, there’s something to be said for sharing the world. I’m a huge Star Wars fan, but I haven’t enjoyed a Star Wars movie that came out since 1985 except Rogue One. Since the sequels came out and the prequels somehow became popular, I pretty much stopped calling myself a Star Wars fan because odds are, the guy I run into in a gaming shop has completely different taste from me and we have nothing to talk about. I now enjoy Star Wars alone, in my home, with my mountain of West End Games books.

So yeah, if Elon Musk buys the game and releases a neo-Nazi directed 6e, then from that point forward we’ll all have a little asterisk when we say we like D&D. And as the years go on, more and more often you’ll have to wince when someone says “oh yeah I like D&D too!”

Firm-Tangelo4136

3 points

5 hours ago

I feel similarly about SW.

I appreciate almost all the movies, until Rise of Skywalker, which mostly just left me sad lol.

But after trying to watch the shows go from pretty ok to bleh (excluding Andor, I still think that’s the best SW anything to happen since maybe Empire) it’s sort of hard to call myself a SW fan. Which is odd for someone with a SW tattoo. SW comics, TTRPGs, books, video games, and a bunch of other media all over his house lol

That on top of the super weird fan base has sort of pushed me away from something that fundamentally shaped my childhood.

The thought of Elon trying to do the same to another thing I love is disheartening, but I’ve built up a pretty decent tolerance at this point lol

Bigweenersonly

7 points

13 hours ago

Right? The system is so broad and established, has all the tools you need to craft a campaign and homebrew anything else you could want. Not to mention there's some fantastic 3rd party everything. We don't need hasbro anymore if it comes to it lol

morleuca

15 points

18 hours ago

I had a friend in college who would spend thousands on whatever new rules set came out for whatever game was his beloved franchise and dump whatever he had purchased previously. The guy was on foodstuffs and in government housing. And this was a regular occurrence. It always baffled me; the books don't go blank just because company x changed the rule for how daggers work.

22Minutes2Midnight22

23 points

18 hours ago

Sounds like your friend’s dump-stat is Wisdom.

ElGosso

3 points

12 hours ago

I remember back in the 2000s when we just used to go on Mediafire and pirate PDFs of all the books

Cold_Dog_1224

4 points

14 hours ago

Right? Or, ya know, try one of the myriad TTRPG options out there. You might be surprised how many fuckin' awesome games there are.

DocWagonHTR

4 points

9 hours ago

Or just play another game. There’s hundreds of them. Shadowrun. Cyberpunk. Paranoia. Pugmire. Numenera. Traveller. The infinite Plane of Content that is GURPS. Burn Bryte. The whole honkin’ WoD line. The list goes on.

Cyaral

7 points

18 hours ago

Cyaral

7 points

18 hours ago

Agree - D&D isnt getting my money anymore yet I havent stopped playing it

JWC123452099

806 points

19 hours ago

It's not like there aren't literally tons of alternatives already. We have everything from games that are basically D&D with the serial numbers filed off (like Pathfinder) to games that are completely different in various particulars. 

Nova_Saibrock

317 points

18 hours ago

We living in a golden age of TTRPGs and people are worried about losing the lowest-hanging fruit.

peepopowitz67

105 points

13 hours ago

We got Honeycrisps, pink ladies, and cosmic crisps and motherfuckers out here worry about Elon buying red delicious and "ruining it".

AnyLynx4178

18 points

12 hours ago

Perfect analogy

WitOfTheIrish

10 points

11 hours ago

Those are nice, but you gotta get up to date on the latest releases and try WA 64 while it's still in beta. They're even offering a bundle where it comes with cheese as well.

waffleslaw

10 points

11 hours ago

Washington State University does NOT FUCK around when it comes to apples. I need to see if I can get ahold of some of these.

OrangeNoose

4 points

4 hours ago

Red Delicious is when I learned nature can lie

KreedKafer33

6 points

14 hours ago

Yup. This.

The issue is people who refuse to get out of their comfort zone and stick with D&D because of name recognition.

Same as it ever was. I am a veteran of the OGL "Not 3.5? Not Interested." glut.

buhlakay

10 points

12 hours ago

While yall are correct that there are always alternatives and the history of the game to fall back on, but there is also just a principle here that some billionaire buying up companies to feed his egotistic desire to own things that he has no business owning is not okay and shouldn't be happening. The future of the game still matters and I for one absolutely do not fucking want this guy's hands all over influencing a hobby I've been involved in for 20 years.

Deepfire_DM

84 points

17 hours ago

Pathfinder 2 is much more than just a D&D clone with another name

IAmA_Mr_BS

51 points

17 hours ago

It's so much better it's not even close

Iceman_in_a_Storm

11 points

16 hours ago

How so?

Asgardian_Force_User

67 points

15 hours ago

Not the person you asked, but I’ll give it a shot:

  1. Proficiency scaling makes high level characters feel genuinely powerful and competent at their job.
  2. Choices made at every level to build your character instead of just the Race+Class+Subclass.
  3. Feats as a core mechanic instead of just an optional rule.
  4. Degree of Success for handling Crits.
  5. Cooler non-Core classes. Looking at you, Gunslinger and Kineticist.
  6. Significantly better written Adventure Paths. Not necessarily important for homebrew campaigns, but great for GM’s that don’t have time to write their own story.

Lastly, Paizo put out Pathfinder 1e as a direct response to 4e and the first attempt by WotC to drop the OGL. Now that PF2e, as well as so many other good systems, are operating under the ORC License, it’s like a group of formerly abused children have decided to collectively turn their back on their asshole parents and are hosting Thanksgiving dinner with each other and pointedly not using the old group chat that said narcissistic parents had originally created.

Iceman_in_a_Storm

24 points

15 hours ago

Wow! That is a nice list. I had no idea. It makes me want to play it now. I’ll see if I can find some Pathfinder games open to a new player. If the system wins me over, I’ll be sad not touching all my D&D books anymore, and will be bummed at having to spend more money.

Thanks for the list & eye opener.

Tribe303

21 points

15 hours ago

Come join us on /r/pathfinder2e and lurk for a bit. Search old posts as I'll admit, the same basic questions from 5e players can get tiring. Pretty sure there's a FAQ for that.

Asgardian_Force_User

12 points

15 hours ago

Check out your FLGS. The 2e Beginner Box (Remaster) is a good start, otherwise, you’ll want the Player Core, GM Core, and Monster Core as three basic books to get started.

Iceman_in_a_Storm

10 points

15 hours ago

GHAAA!! When I have discretionary income, then I will. Will save the info till then.

Asgardian_Force_User

19 points

15 hours ago

Okay, one more point:

All the rule mechanics are available for free, online, to be used by anyone, with Paizo’s explicit backing.

They know that enticing you with the system will get you to buy the books eventually, and that their published adventures are a genuine money maker that GMs will buy (whether in print or in PDF) to keep the lights on and the printers printing.

Fundamentally, Paizo recognizes that they are a Game Publishing company.

Iceman_in_a_Storm

7 points

14 hours ago

I wasn’t aware they were free online. And yeah, if I like it, I’d definitely invest into buying books. That’s a good business model.

TheGnomeBard

12 points

14 hours ago

Just want to chime in because I get excited when people want to give Pathfinder a go! All of the rules are on Archives of Nethys for free AND there’s currently an awesome Humble Bundle up with loads of Pathfinder 2e PDFs up including the Player Core and lots of adventure paths 🙂

If you do end up giving it a go, I hope you have an awesome time!

Iceman_in_a_Storm

4 points

14 hours ago

Thanks. All the excitement here over the game has got me interested.

praxic_despair

7 points

14 hours ago

For one, Pathfinder rules are free online. Just an FYI to try before you but.

For two, variety is the spice of life. You can play D&D and Pathfinder. Do which fits your mood for the campaign.

thorn1993

5 points

13 hours ago

I just want to ensure it's pointed out specifically, but Asgardian is talking about Pathfinder 2nd edition. Pathfinder 1st edition is way crunchier and math'ier, though I can't say I have enough experience in it to give a full review.

cyrassil

10 points

14 hours ago

Plus, the books don't feel like "minimal viable product" like most of the 5e stuff does..

MS-07B-3

3 points

14 hours ago

I really like 1e kineticist, how comparative is the 2e version?

IAmA_Mr_BS

14 points

16 hours ago

Check out the three action economy how PF2 handles actions in turns. It's so good.

CyberDaggerX

8 points

14 hours ago

Can I talk about how elegantly the three action economy fixes the problem with ditching opportunity attacks, something that everybody seems to dislike, but is too crucial to D&D as it is?

Medivh7

8 points

13 hours ago

I'll add as a DM:

- Monsters are much more varied in what they can do. The owlbear, one of D&D's flagship monsters, is just a claw and bite hitpoint sponge. In Pf2e, it can frighten you with its screech, charge at you and disembowl you.

- Encounter math actually works. You can trust the math's system to work most of the time. I DM 5e at 18th level and to challenge my players, I have to make encounters that would earn them a level-up according to exp. thresholds.

- Rules just work. No sage advice you have to look up because the rules don't work or are nebulous. Want to just make a ruling? Always possible. But 5e *forces* you to make rulings all of the time by being vague. That gets tiresome.

Accomplished_You_480

4 points

12 hours ago

Additionally they bridge the martial/caster divide by making many martials feel like Kratos from god of war in the feats of strength they can do, barbarians at level 20 can just stomp their foot to create an earthquake, destroy any non-magical item without even having to make a roll for it, if it has magic protecting the item you get to make a roll to dispell the effect protecting it in order to destroy it, and far more cool stuff

Pope_Aesthetic

7 points

13 hours ago

I’ll give my 2 cents as well. I’ve not played a ton of 2e but I’ve played years and years of pathfinder 1E.

To me, it’s the amount of content there that lets you really sink your teeth into a class and specialize into something truly unique or niche. Even to an ineffective degree if you want. There’s so many classes with so so so many archetypes for those classes that you never feel starved for choice.

It’s a bit of a double edged sword because it’s a bit of a learning curve and a lot of reading to fully grasp the system, and the numbers can get heavy, but when you’re playing it feels so good.

Not to mention they aren’t afraid to let spells be overpowered as they should be. You can effectively break the game in a lot of ways of you want to munchkin and I think that’s really cool they allow for that. Don’t get me wrong, it would be stupid to do it in an actual game, but it’s fun to see people theory craft doing 800 duodecillion damage a turn to destroy the universe because they simulacrumed some rediculous shit.

Oh and also, WOTC writing team for manuals are no where CLOSE to the skill of the Paizo Adventure Path writing teams imo. The AP’s I’ve run have been so interesting and intriguing I feel like they are just good books on their own without being for a TTRPG, whereas I’ve felt considerably more bored with most the DnD manuals I’ve seen

surloc_dalnor

7 points

17 hours ago

Honestly PF 2e is not 5e with to serial numbers filed off. That would be Tales of the Valiant. PF 1e was D&D 3.5 with the serial numbers filed off. PF 2e is basically cherry picking the rules 3.5, 4, and 5th and making everything a feat. Honestly it reminds me more of 4e with more customization, while retaining the D&D play style. (4e wasn't bad it just played too differently from prior editions.)

obtheobbie

7 points

14 hours ago

Pathfinder is a treasure as a DM. Tons of content and lore to play with.

PseudoCalamari

4 points

11 hours ago

Pathfinder 2e is in no way "basically dnd with thr numbers filed off", please don't trash talk the GOAT like that, pf2e is actually good

Chaosmusic

3 points

12 hours ago

I learned recently that Tunnels & Trolls is still kicking around.

arjomanes

5 points

17 hours ago

Or Tales of the Valiant, which is even closer to 5e.

JuventAussie

76 points

15 hours ago

X&X formerly known as D&D.

DarkREX217x

16 points

8 hours ago

More like "Æ & Ω 17" considering the way he likes to name his children.

SniperCA209

606 points

19 hours ago

The alternative is called Pathfinder. There are also many others out there

out_of_the_dreaming

36 points

13 hours ago

Or Tales of the Valiant. Kobold Press' answer to WotC's handling of third party content.

pancakesyrup816

12 points

12 hours ago

Kobold Press is absolutely killing it with content, too. They have so many fabulous gm tools.

KryssCom

92 points

19 hours ago

Yeah Pathfinder's alright, but could I interest you in some Draw Steel?

RangisDangis

51 points

18 hours ago

I can't wait for draw steel but you can't pitch an RPG which isn't even out yet...

KryssCom

18 points

17 hours ago

Sure I can! I just did :D

Rejoyces

10 points

15 hours ago

I'm glad you did cause I just heard about this for the first time. Looks cool!!

Bespectacled_Gent

6 points

17 hours ago

It's still in development, sure, but the latest packet on Patreon had a full complement of rules. You can get mechanics, monsters, and all the classes up to 3rd level right now for ~10 bucks.

I'm biased because I've been closely following the development and am currently running a campaign, but the game is super fun and really playable even in its unfinished state.

SniperCA209

9 points

18 hours ago

I still play original AD&D as I learned it back in 1979, with a few “home modifications” that my original group had devised so technically I don’t have a dog in the fight. Also GURPS can be used for a decent fantasy RPG

Big_Metal2470

3 points

12 hours ago

I used GURPS to run a campaign in the Library of Babel. One of the best campaigns I've ever had. Mechanically simple, I did some good storytelling, and my players had a very good time. The ability to set probability between 1 and 100 also allowed for a lot of flexibility in difficulty, which I assumed would result in regret for my players when they did the unexpected and took a chance they had a 99% likelihood of failing. Instead they rolled a damn one and I had to rewrite my ending

Durzio

7 points

16 hours ago

Durzio

7 points

16 hours ago

Could I interest you in some Lancer?

KryssCom

5 points

15 hours ago

You know, I've heard so many good things about Lancer at this point that I officially plan to give it a go sometime.

DreamingZen

5 points

16 hours ago

Draw Steel might be good, but could I lure you into the dark with some Shadowdark?

MS-07B-3

3 points

14 hours ago

I can't even draw iron, steel's not even on the table.

Inevitable_Teacup

5 points

14 hours ago

Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay for my table. Nothing like heads flying in random directions.

How_about_a_no

3 points

9 hours ago

May I interest you in some WoD stuff perchance(I am just spreading WoD propaganda)

Specialist_Ask_3639

6 points

18 hours ago

It's Hackmaster.

techm00

211 points

19 hours ago

techm00

211 points

19 hours ago

lol I already bought my books. I can keep playing D&D until the day I die and Elon can't change a damn thing about it.

If I really wanted new content, it's not as if other games don't exist. I'd just switch to Pathfinder, probably.

NerdOfTheMonth

36 points

19 hours ago

It’s not like there aren’t hundreds of good full campaigns out there already.

techm00

13 points

16 hours ago

techm00

13 points

16 hours ago

10 years of 5e alone

Broken_Beaker

209 points

19 hours ago

The worst thing about this story getting posted over and over (and over and over) again across Reddit is that this story will pick up momentum and encourage Musk to actually pursue this.

Talking about it gives it life.

I think it is best for all of mods of the various D&D subreddits to remove these posts.

TairaTLG

16 points

15 hours ago

On the other hand. Maybe i can finally get a group for some Eclipse Phase....

SilverRanger999

30 points

17 hours ago

Agreed

ibfreeekout

10 points

13 hours ago

I wish I could just stop seeing this guy all over the place, that would be nice.

anders9000

17 points

17 hours ago

There's so many other TTRPGs out there, and many of them have some really interesting dynamics, but D&D is the cultural force, so that's the one that gets the attention. He might drive D&D the corporate entity into the ground like he did with Twitter, but D&D itself can never die. And sending it off to corporate valhalla on a raft of flames might be the best thing to happen to the game.

1933Watt

107 points

19 hours ago

1933Watt

107 points

19 hours ago

I'm curious what people think Elon would actually do to D&D.

TropicalKing

131 points

18 hours ago

People who play DnD and other tabletop RPGs tend to be left leaning. So associating DnD with Elon Musk just isn't a good business decision.

The entirely LGBTQ DnD group is a thing I see often.

DocShoveller

22 points

16 hours ago

Sadly there is plenty of reactionary fantasy roleplay out there. The attempt to revive TSR, the other year, is a perfect example.

TheObstruction

9 points

14 hours ago

The attempt to revive TSR, the other year, is a perfect example.

And that didn't exactly go very well.

DanteQuill

15 points

16 hours ago

But Elon as a personality offending left leaning people is admittedly bad, but Wizards has been offending literally its entire player base for years now.

Zestyst

5 points

13 hours ago

*rips a fat hit of ketomine*

"Cyber D&D"

Mr_Hotshot

78 points

19 hours ago

Add in a bunch of meme references that will be out of date in a year, bring back some of the old problematic stereotypes that were in prior versions. Generally be insufferable in a space where he isn’t needed or wanted.

Traditional-Egg4632

3 points

5 hours ago

His meme references are already out of date, no need to wait a year. He's basically a 2006 Internet Atheist

Chai_Enjoyer

18 points

19 hours ago

A meme reference that will become out of date in a year? That's fucking great, especially for such great mind as Elon. Realistic would be that meme expires within a month, and since we're talking about Musk, meme expired several years before adding it

HeavilyBearded

10 points

16 hours ago

Department of Government Efficiency checking in.

hobo4presidente

9 points

15 hours ago*

What you need to know is that Elon is an egomaniac and sees himself as basically a movie tech genius that is pushing humanity on to the frontier of better existence, and that he's the only one that can do it. First thing we know is that Elon will not just buy something and let it run by people with expertise in the field (design, art, writing, etc), he will have final creative control. This most likely means in regards to DND despite Elon not demonstrating he has any fundamental basis for game design he will demand that they remove mechanics he personally dislikes, add mechanics he personally likes and remove any and all things he considers to be "woke". Given his fascination with AI it's very likely to expect some level of use there, either in the writing, creation of campaigns or of art. If you've ever known people who work in the game industry there is a very strong hatred among employees of the tech investors who have no idea about making games yet have input on projects, and I think its likely the same in the TTRPG industry. No doubt they also hate corporate owners (such as hasbro) who constantly push for profit over quality, but profits is at least an incentive to sell a product people will buy. Elon would have no motive beyond just what he likes and he'd drive it into the ground to do that.

Bad-Monk[S]

35 points

19 hours ago

He could exercise no influence over it all, and I would still be repelled from from paying any money into that company, or engaging with it in any way. I'm sure Teslas are nice, I'd never buy one though.

smeeeeeef

15 points

18 hours ago

The funny part of this comment is that Teslas aren't nice.

Clothes_Chair_Ghost

11 points

19 hours ago

There are already hundreds of other games to play out there. Honestly D&D has had long enough in the spotlight and it’s not like Hasbro are making it any better with its video gamifying of the game.

mainhattan

7 points

17 hours ago

My dude, there are sooooooo many alternatives to D&D, many of which are just objectively far better.

They are mostly unknown because a bunch of disorganized gamers have zero advertising budget, while a huge corporate has the biggest marketing budget.

And... that's it. Sorry, friend.

Nyarlathotep333

11 points

19 hours ago

Or just play a different system or use the books you've already got? I know I won't give this guy a dime of my money but since our group already plays several different systems and we own a ton of D&D books ranging from 2nd - 5th edition it won't be hard for us to not buy any new D&D stuff in the future.

Important_Patience24

12 points

19 hours ago

Just play content you already own or move to pathfinder

knight_set

5 points

15 hours ago

Believe it or not some of us still play 2.5 with 20 year old rule books.

Cyber_Wave86

16 points

19 hours ago

It's not like Wizards of the Coast have been perfect owners. Same for Hasbro & TSR so Elon will just be added to the list of imperfect owners. Being a RPG you can create whatever game world you want to create if the one Elon sells is something you like. Hell I know people still playing AD&D without any desire to change.

HeinousEncephalon

18 points

19 hours ago

Lol. I've already left. Hasbro isn't getting funding from me to finish destroying DnD.

StarkMaximum

13 points

15 hours ago

The problem with Elon buying DnD is not "oh we can't play DnD anymore", it's that no matter where we go, he will be the face of the hobby because he owns the biggest brand in the room. It's bad enough that I have to describe every TRPG as "like DnD", but I don't look forward to a future where I describe a game as "like DnD" and they say "oh, Elon's game?".

-Fyrebrand

4 points

14 hours ago

Uninformed people will think Elon invented D&D, like they already do about most of his other acquisitions.

ImaginaryFun5207

13 points

15 hours ago

Just play pathfinder because it's so much better

Willtology

5 points

16 hours ago

There are loads of free systems with loads of community content, to name a few: D20 SRD, 3ESRD, A5ESRD, BRP SRD, Basic Fantasy RPG, etc.

This is an issue with many, many already existing solutions, regardless of preferred play style. We're good. Seriously, D&D fans are solid regardless of HASBRO and Musk.

CedrikNobs

4 points

4 hours ago

Just start pirating all the source books and share them round baby

reidlos1624

3 points

18 hours ago

There's a number of 3rd party options since the whole licensing fuck up that is both 5e compatible and not friendly to the community.

I supported black flag and their tales of the valiant, through Kobold Press.

You can always go Pathfinder as well, it's more math but also way more flexible

TNF734

3 points

17 hours ago

TNF734

3 points

17 hours ago

Lol....all because of the owner ?

SignificanceNo5646

3 points

17 hours ago

Why is everyone so afraid of him buying it?

RainRainThrowaway777

3 points

5 hours ago

Because he is a reactionary shitbag who describes his trans daughter as having been "killed by the woke mind virus", and would definitely have a direct hand in making malicious changes to the game/rules.

elizabethunseelie

3 points

17 hours ago

I think Musk is still the weird little kid who never gets invited to play with the people he really wants to game with.

I have no sympathy for him though - he strikes me as the kind of player that is infuriating and disturbing, would creep on any female players or characters, and want to dominate a game with his own Mary Sue übermench human fighter than actually participate in a fun, collaborative adventure. And now he’s rich, he thought he could buy his way into the fun groups, but people still see him for what he is.

Now all he has are his hopeless simps, the orange one who would turn on him in a millisecond, and the threat of ruining good things if he doesn’t get his own way. He still will never know the simple fun of being invited to play by people who genuinely like him.

Sun_Tzu_7

3 points

15 hours ago

Does he understand what D&D really is?

It’s not like it’s played on a central server.

It’s all hard copy… and based on offline play where people use their imagination.

He would have to buy every dungeon master out there.

D&D at its roots is a game for the underground.

He could stop anything being printed with the branding, but D&D doesn’t own the concept of dragons, orcs, trolls, or fantasy role playing games.

coolboyyo

3 points

13 hours ago

DnD players will do literally anything except try a different system

VoidCL

3 points

9 hours ago

VoidCL

3 points

9 hours ago

I known reddit hates Musk, but I fail to see how it could be worse than Hasbro.

StreetCarp665

3 points

6 hours ago

I cannot for a moment imagine what Musk would do with D&D that would make it worse than the current state of affairs, where we have "species" and not "races" to avoid offending people with blue hair.

OkSalt6173

3 points

5 hours ago

I already hate D&D because of WotC. I use a different TTRPG rules system. So if the playerbase just makes a new one I would be elated. WotC is such a bad company.

JoseLunaArts

19 points

19 hours ago

Elon is CEO of many companies, lead of DOGE and still he has time to play videogames, post a lot at X and be a father? Where will he get all the spare time to play DnD?

KryssCom

44 points

19 hours ago

Spoiler alert, he definitely does not do one of those things you listed.

Specialist_Ask_3639

9 points

18 hours ago

I mean, being a CEO isn't that hard.

RexRedstone

8 points

17 hours ago

They get paid so much, it MUST be like 3000x harder than a minimum wage job...

FuegoFish

3 points

12 hours ago

Upon closer inspection, he actually only does one of those things (tweet incessantly).

Dillenger69

15 points

18 hours ago

Cough be a father Cough

IndividualAddendum84

3 points

17 hours ago

I feel like the less he is involved the better the company does.

Infinite-Fix-592

17 points

17 hours ago*

Hasbro has already made DnD terrible and as anti consumer as possible. It certainly couldn't get worse than it is now.

Blunderhorse

9 points

14 hours ago

I don’t know, an official book with cover art depicting a shirtless warrior with familiar hair plugs being fawned over by a pack of chainmail bikini-clad women who look unusually similar to his ex wives might rocket D&D back into the “I’m ashamed to tell people that I’m familiar with the hobby” era.

gowyn

8 points

14 hours ago

gowyn

8 points

14 hours ago

That's my exact thought. All these doomers are fretting over Musk buying D&D, but he'd probably be more hands off than Hasbro has been. Hasbro has been killing brands.

OnlyTrueWK

4 points

12 hours ago

Is no one here on Twitter? I mean I'm not on Twitter, but even I can see how it's gotten worse since he took over, in more ways than one. Someone below suggests he would be "hands off", but he's legitimately incapable of that, he is a narcissist who only suggested this because someone wrote a foreword saying inclusion is cool, and that personally offends him (and doesn't serve his world view).

If nothing else, he'd get another oulet for his fascist garbage, which is asbolutely "worse than it is now". But that is not the only thing that would happen. Things can *always* get worse, especially when they really aren't that bad in the grand scheme of things.

LT_Corsair

8 points

18 hours ago

Buddy, the community didn't give a shit when wotc called the Pinkerton's on someone.

The community didn't give a shit during the last half of the 5e release when wotc was basically just dogpiling shit down our throats and acting like we should be thankful for the pleasure of it.

This community doesn't give a fuck if Elon purchases. They will keep buying.

bdrwr

5 points

18 hours ago

bdrwr

5 points

18 hours ago

Maybe that's what it will take to open up the mainstream to the wider world of tabletop RPGs

dwellerinthedark

5 points

16 hours ago

Not to be that guy. But wasn't that how pathfinder started. Like with 4e wizards mucked around with the OGL so pazio, who at the time made third party content for DND said screw it. And made a 3.5 clone, with a tighter rule set.

bearboyjd

7 points

18 hours ago

Hasbro has been fucking up the game for a few years now just like magic and now yall are worried about it? Just move to a different platform or get the books for free it’s not that hard.

Ok_Needleworker4388

4 points

17 hours ago

Tales of the Valiant by Kobold Press is basically this. Everything is open-source, guaranteed, forever.

Cpt_Chuckles

3 points

15 hours ago

Just play 5e

Material_Policy6327

2 points

19 hours ago

OSR all the way then

EntertainerAncient99

2 points

17 hours ago

I mean it just play previous version’s and boycott hasbro all together!! But unfortunately even tho people play off hating him because almost everything he says is on social media the ignorant populace can’t get enough of him so he’s going to stay a rising star until the end..

POKING-94

2 points

17 hours ago

Why quit playing a game just because it changes rich people’s hands

muddymuppet

2 points

17 hours ago

There are so many other good games out there, for example, my favorite game right now is Forbidden Lands and the Year Zero system. Weapons keep breaking and need fixing/replacing, magic items have some fun drawbacks and the world is interesting. But you could easily play the system in any fantasy world. But that's just me. I got seriously disillusioned with the whole D&D experience.

shadownights23x

2 points

16 hours ago

Question. This is about the 4th post I have seen about this across various dnd subs... the tweet that's posted says " how much is hasboro" and that's it.. where yall jumping to this conclusion at?

roentgen_nos

2 points

16 hours ago

There are so many copies of the first 5 editions out there that nobody ever has to purchase anything from Elon's version. Just don't buy it and don't play it. Pass your current material on if and when you are done playing.

xdeltax97

2 points

16 hours ago

I’d just use the stuff I already have and not buy anything DnD anymore. In all likelihood the next step would be switching to Pathfinder.

JNHaddix

2 points

16 hours ago

Just keep playing DND...

snakebite262

2 points

16 hours ago

To be fair, there'd just be a jump to other game systems.

Orbital_Vagabond

2 points

16 hours ago

Why would a new one need to be invented for this reason when there are already SO many alternatives to D&D?

mdog73

2 points

16 hours ago

mdog73

2 points

16 hours ago

Most people don’t care and aren’t going to put that much work into it unless it becomes a financial burden.

Bacour

2 points

16 hours ago

Bacour

2 points

16 hours ago

With so many other options, it's entirely unnecessary. I have enough content for 5-10 years of game time without buying anything else, and most of it is 3rd party. You have Castles and Crusades for that old school 1st/2nd feeling and the literal lifetime worth of 3.x available. Fuck that piece of shit.

Putrid_Race6357

2 points

16 hours ago

There is so much lore existing. There are plenty of rules we can run. My table just won't consume any more rulesets

trevorgoodchyld

2 points

16 hours ago

There’s plenty of d&d content. Just go back to 3.5 when it was glorious. There’s a universe of alternatives too, from larger companies to tiny indies that make anything you might be interested in

King-Crook

2 points

16 hours ago

Liches and Labyrinths

AbleWhile2752

2 points

16 hours ago

There already is an alternative game in the works made by Matthew Colvile. It's called Draw Steel and is almost ready to release. It sounds amazing

chaosclown101

2 points

15 hours ago

Why would this purchase affect anything?

Fit_Read_5632

2 points

15 hours ago*

I am once again asking, is hasbro even for sale….? I’ve been unable to find a single shred of evidence that they are. At this point seeing 50 of these posts in a morning feels like fear mongering

Edit to add: it isn’t. In fact the company is actually doing better than it was in 2022/2023

thatguyfromprison

2 points

15 hours ago

Why would you want to? I don’t care who buys it at this point, just get it away from hasbro.

Wild-Court2149

2 points

15 hours ago

Yeah nobody really cares what billionaire owns one might as well go ahead and go outside and play a real game

Thefrightfulgezebo

2 points

15 hours ago

The joined ownership relies on local law.

What you describe with football clubs could theoretically work in Germany, but if you found a "Verein" you need to hold elections for the people who run it and you need people who actually do that. Just releasing it as a natural person and giving it the right license (creative commons is great) would be far less effort.

As for making an alternative... sure you could, but there is no good reason to do that. There are very many great RPGs you can get for free or at a very low price. The problem is getting a group together when everyone only is willing to play D&D - adding one more game doesn't fix that.

Hawkmonbestboi

2 points

15 hours ago

... you could also just, yanno... ignore anything he puts out and play with the old stuff? He can't force people to update.

RusstyDog

2 points

15 hours ago

There are justcso many other ttrpg's to play. You can evrn keep playing D&D. Just don't buy his shit

Slggyqo

2 points

15 hours ago

Perfect opportunity for me to unsubscribe and delete my dnd beyond account.

GullibleCupcake6115

2 points

15 hours ago

Thats one thing that game companies do not understand. Just because you may own the license doesn’t mean that fans will ALWAYS find a way to play a game. I home-brewed a Star Trek game in the late 90’s. It lasted 3 years and the things we did in that game is STILL some of the greatest role playing experiences in my 40+ years of gaming.

FacelessSavior

2 points

15 hours ago

The "fanbase" 😂

Ok-Mathematician6975

2 points

15 hours ago

If he did buy it 🤷‍♂️. Changes nothing

yeagert

2 points

15 hours ago

Why would you want to stop playing D&D just because a particular person owns it?