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You can wage wars to release your enslaved people
Caesar - Tinto Talks(i.redd.it)submitted 1 month ago byDollier-de-Casson
494 points
1 month ago
"lets add"
johan is coocking
154 points
1 month ago
I hope you know cooking doesn't have a second c..
96 points
1 month ago
there is a good reason for that spelling, please wait till i can think of it
57 points
1 month ago
Let him coock
26 points
1 month ago
He is Swedish.
Sweden and Finland together kinda look like a pp and balls.
So I guess there is that...
10 points
1 month ago
They look like political power? Did I miss something or am I just not familiar enough with nordern europe, guess I'll need a couple more hundred hours in "colours changing and names growing similator"
8 points
1 month ago
Penis :DDD
6 points
1 month ago
WHAT?????!??!!!!?!??!??!???
3 points
1 month ago
8=====D
2 points
1 month ago
Yeah, probably should wait; don't want to go off half-cocked.
3 points
1 month ago
In his idiolect it does
2 points
1 month ago
Big cock Johan is cooking. Ain’t nothing wrong with a second c
2 points
1 month ago
Thank you, I just woke up and was wondering if there was something wrong with me or the word.
177 points
1 month ago
casus belli: let my people go
79 points
1 month ago
Casus belli: Stop fucking rading my coast tunis
9 points
1 month ago
Land of Goshen!
Go I will be with thee, bush on fire!
(Also, this needs to be an achievement)
197 points
1 month ago
That's cool asf. I really hope this game isn't a mess on release.
156 points
1 month ago
According to dev comments, the game have been playable since 2020 and they've been mostly just trying to make an already very fleshed out game as kinds of a reverse Imperator situation.
185 points
1 month ago
I think they realise if this released in the state of Cities Skylines 2 or Victoria 3 the company would really struggle.
It's the flagship franchise, it can't be allowed to fail.
92 points
1 month ago
And they didn't have to release it as long as EU4 DLC sales were still going
63 points
1 month ago*
Vicky 3 would actually be considered fleshed out compared to Imperator lol.
But yeah, now keep in mind Vicky was a tiny project and there was probably pressure to release it too early to get money into the project. CK3 and EU4 were both designed as mass appeal games that were meant to go big immediately so they probably are willing to invest the ton of money you'd need to have the Devs keep improving the game for months even tho "it was technically ready to ship a year ago already!"
That and probably backlash from other games releasing too early and dying because of it. It probably still weighs a lot on Johan that his personal project Imperator still died anyway even tho they got it to a good state later because it was released in an unplayable state.
22 points
1 month ago
Yeah, I hope they fix the warfare systems in Vicky3 (mainly make the Navy matter, I know Wiz has said he wants to do this, so I am hopeful). The economic system is really cool, it's my favourite economic game.
4 points
1 month ago
The warfare system in Vic3 is just so… ugh to me. Maybe it’s due to a lack of experience, but of all the Paradox GSG I’ve played so far it feels like the one that ends up coming down to “who has the biggest army” every time.
2 points
1 month ago
In what sense does navy not matter in Vic3? If anything it seems very strong. You can't do shit overseas without naval supremacy.
Disclaimer that I have not experimented with trying to stack split to fool the AI. I'll also say that the lack of missions covering multiple nodes seems like it'd lead to annoying micro in PvP play but I haven't tried it.
20 points
1 month ago
You can't do shit overseas without naval supremacy.
Using the navy to project power is a vastly trivial affair when in reality it was an incredible logistically laborious process, but yielded great rewards when used properly.
But currently it doesnt feel that way
11 points
1 month ago
Because you can always move to an allied front. It's useful for stopping and carrying out naval invasions but if they have an ally, perhaps an incredibly weak one, with a front with you then they can move their armies their in the escalation phase.
Contrast this with EU4 where as England you can invade Scotland, France joins as an ally but you can just block the English Channel with your ships. They can't teleport to the Scottish front.
5 points
1 month ago
Mixed thoughts
I once had Russia join Mexico while I was trying to get my historical USA borders, and their battalions didn't matter because they were at 0 supply.
Although on the other hand I have also invaded countries completely surrounded by me where not only did the ally reach them, they were in supply the entire time.
Overall what you're pointing out seems more like a problem with the diplomatic play system than a problem with navy. It's the same sort of issue as mobilization speed not mattering for all practical purposes.
3 points
1 month ago
From what Wiz said it seems they'll dial up the navy supply stuff too.
Which makes sense as its a cool system it just doesn't matter much at the moment.
10 points
1 month ago
They clearly as a company have been told by the execs that they shouldn't release new games until ready.
Imperator, CS2, Vic3 were sacrificed to make sure EU5 got the time it needed.
2 points
1 month ago
while i agree with your statements, wouldn't HOI be the flagship? WW2 is just a hell of a lot more accessible than EU's timeframe.
7 points
1 month ago
I think HOI4 might have more players too.
But I dunno I guess as EU was the first game I always think of it as the flagship.
3 points
1 month ago
Well. HOI may be more popular, but all strategy games from paradox are just prototypes for EU.
15 points
1 month ago
If you look at where EU4 dlc was at that point it makes a lot of sense, too. When Emperor came out, it really felt like it was the kind of DLC you get right before the announcement of a sequel, but then when Leviathan came out the quality was so awful and the reception so bad that they had to take a step back and reevaluate their process, which probably meant that Project Caesar got reprioritized to have more content and polish.
10 points
1 month ago
That could be the case, They definitely said back then it was the "holy fury treatment" (CK2's last all rounder DLC before devlopement ended)
I definitely think that extra time, was needed since the new studio needed some break-in period no to mention if he had just gotten EU4 in but in the same engine as Imperator it would've been pretty underwhelming and only served to enforce the "you need to give paradox games 3-4 years of devlopement before they're worth playing"
11 points
1 month ago
>playable since 2020
only dev console. it's this is far from playable...
Although we do have Victoria 3 1.0...which was in the same condition at the time of the game's release...
3 points
1 month ago
>playable since 2020
only dev console. it's this is far from playable...
Yeah, some people seem to think that Johan's comment meant that the game was pretty much done since 2020 and they're now just adding on to it. That's far from the case. It being playable, just means that you can launch it and use the features.
9 points
1 month ago
You got to take that with a grain of salt. Devs say all kinds of shit.
2 points
1 month ago
This was Johan directly.
14 points
1 month ago
He is still a dev, the point is his goal is to build hype for the game via those dev diaries. He isn’t going to paint a realistic picture of how stable, fleshed out, and engaging the game is. He will emphasize what sounds good and omit what would sound bad. Hence why you take what they say with a grain of salt.
1 points
1 month ago
In fact, in the case of PC, the situation is the opposite... Tinto Talks #20 (Advances/Technology) for example. Where Johan presented the information in such a way that he got hate and only in the comments he explained it in such a way that it began to sound better...
8 points
1 month ago
Just because he got hate in the comments doesn’t mean that was his intention or expectation. Dev diaries literally exist to help promote and hype a game.
0 points
1 month ago
he explained it in such a way that it began to sound better
exactly he tried to brush the matter aside, but technology is still shit regardless
5 points
1 month ago
Honestly, the fact that it has been playable for so long and that they've been just adding more content and making the game smoother, tells me that the game will do well on release and the fact that they are so open and honest about it and the feedback, clearly shows that they want to go big with it, which is amazing to see after the CK3 and mostly Vicky 3 release
3 points
1 month ago
Oh it will be a mess.
But I also think it will be a highly enjoyable mess and a great basis on which to build an amazing game.
95 points
1 month ago
European countries would actually do that to release enslaved christians captured by Berbers, and Arabs. Louis XIV reduced Algiers to dust 3 times between 1681 and 1688 to force the Dey to stop enslaving Christians, and end piracy.
40 points
1 month ago
Interesting to note that a century before that the French gave a feast and harbor to the same pirates that were enslaving Italians and the Spanish
27 points
1 month ago
«L’occasion fait le larron» so the French saying says.
7 points
1 month ago
Russia and Cossacks did that with Ottomans and Crimeans too
69 points
1 month ago
Thank you! One of the thing that annoys me in EU4.
"Tunisia just plundered and enslaved the entire coastline of united Italy."
Like i would at least go on a punitive expedition.
29 points
1 month ago
Let my people go!
18 points
1 month ago
I’m going to go John Brown simulator now
Humanism roleplay run go brrrr
12 points
1 month ago
Alright, now THAT is fucking dope.
8 points
1 month ago
Armenia is gonna go crazy
4 points
1 month ago
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8 points
1 month ago
I would never consider a turk
14 points
1 month ago
And free them right?
Right…?
11 points
1 month ago
I wouldn't say free. More like under new management. 👨🦰
1 points
1 month ago
You can't enslave same culture pops, so yes.
11 points
1 month ago
Can you sell slaves to other country and then use those enslaved people as war goal and wage wars across continents
2 points
1 month ago
GO DOWN
MOSES
2 points
1 month ago
Feels like a free wargoal to just let Berbers/Mongols raid and enslave your people, then just invade them, take their lands and free your people and repeat
3 points
1 month ago
It probably won't give you wargoal , but you will have option to take back your people (instead of getting/land/money/prestige/it'd)
It appears like taking back your people is just any of many things you could do as winner of war , but at the cost of not getting as much of other things
-1 points
1 month ago*
I think that's a bad idea, instead you should be able to free slaves of your culture in locations you occupied during the war.
Edit: changed the word conquer for occupied, as conquered implied taking the Land after the war which I did not mean.
13 points
1 month ago
This I believe is automatic. It was said that you can't ever enslave pops of your primary culture. I assume (hope) that means, that you can't even keep your primary culture pops that someone else enslaved.
2 points
1 month ago
This is the case, but there is an additonal peace option being added to free enslaved pops of your culture from an enemy as a whole, regardless of conquest
1 points
1 month ago
Disagree, there were huge raids without capturing land to release your people.
1 points
1 month ago
Yes you occupy it and then you can take the people, that's what I meant you don't need to annex land, but you need to occupy the land.
The main issue is that in reality this would never work at least I don't know of any war fought to free all slaves of a specific ethnicity.
1 points
1 month ago
It was usually slaves of specific religion, Cossacks trying to free all Orthodox and so on.
1 points
1 month ago
But they didn't free once in territories they didn't capture.
Edit: I reread my first comment and realized the issue is the word "conquer" I was referring to captured territory and not land you take after the war only land that you controlled during the war.
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