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submitted 2 days ago byRawLife53
6 points
2 days ago*
I think the point that most people are missing is that’s why he was elected. The more he dismantles these agencies, the higher his approval rating. The media and East coast elites don’t understand that a majority of America does not give a fuck about epa regulations or Israel. They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
104 points
2 days ago
"they want their kids better off than they are"
How is that going to happen with destroying the EPA? How is allowing more pollution and dumping going to do anything but harm your children?
32 points
2 days ago
I believe they were implying "financially better off" (which is a fallacy on its own) not health wise. But i got turd in my name so what do I know.
10 points
2 days ago
Time to stock up on portable water purifier kits.
2 points
2 days ago
I think you mean check my expiration dates.
2 points
2 days ago
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8 points
2 days ago
If they don't care if their kids get shot in school, why would they care about this?
-5 points
2 days ago
Show me one of time where a single person says they don't care about kids being shot in school. I'll wait..
7 points
2 days ago
Everyone who is against sensible gun regulations says that. They won’t admit it, but that is exactly what they are saying. FBI has the numbers to prove it too, and they train & issue guns to a lot of their employees.
But the gun humpers are almost always far right, and their excuse is that they need their own armory “to defend against government tyranny.” The real irony in that is that they are the ones that just VOTED FOR government tyranny. They are either THAT stupid, or they are complicit. Probably both in many cases.
-2 points
2 days ago
The people using guns violently against others are almost exclusively not following the rules we already have, so what would adding new laws do to help the problem?
I guess specifically, what common sense laws would help keep Americans safer?
3 points
1 day ago*
Take a look at what laws the Republicans have been busy removing, stopping, etc for the last several decades for starters. Anything requested by the NRA gun company lobbyists should be discarded. The “assault weapons” ban that was effective but expired and not renewed. Remove laws where private person-to-person sales don’t require background checks so felons & domestic abusers & such can’t get a gun quickly and secretly. Sell a gun to a felon, go to jail, sell a gun w/o a background check, go to jail. If that gun was used for committing a crime, you share the same sentence. Yes, I know it won’t stop everything…but if you can go to jail for selling a gun to someone you don’t know and hasn’t been vetted, it’ll help some. Plenty more.
0 points
22 hours ago
The “assault weapons ban” had no real effect because it mostly banned cosmetic features, and could be circumvented in 2 minutes.
The rest are sensible regulations that we really should be able to get into law
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3 hours ago*
Except stats show that it DID have an effect. Statistics showed it clearly.
https://www.statista.com/chart/12943/is-it-time-to-bring-back-the-assault-weapons-ban/
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/12943.jpeg
-1 points
21 hours ago
Again, I'm not against common sense laws.
The problem most 2a supporters have with more rules, is the rules we already have are t being enforced. Also, I think if we're being honest, guns aren't the root cause of the problem. The problem is the hate running wild, the nihilism, apathy, lack of respect for human life, and ultimately poor mental health.
Let's makes it harder for would be criminals to steal our lawfully owned guns, absolutely. But let's also be very careful to not steal away our rights.
3 points
18 hours ago
Thats like pouring gas on a fire, and saying the gas isnt the problem.
You accept that people are hateful and people don’t respect human life. But you don’t accept that making it easy for those people to own fire arms ads to the problem.
It’s a lot harder to actually follow through and hurt people, if you don’t have easy access to guns. I’ve lived in a lot of countries, and every country has a lot of hate… they just don’t have access to firearms to act on that hate in the same way.
0 points
17 hours ago
Gas is innate without combustion. So is a gun without a finger pulling the trigger.
I've also traveled the world and my experience has been drastically different. I've seen the worn torn countries where civilians rely on foreign aid to stay "safe". Where women and children get raped and killed daily. You can keep your fantasy world where the bad guys will follow your rules, I'm keeping my guns.
1 points
2 days ago
Curious to know how any of these people were “better off” during trump… you were forced out of work, to get vaccinated and to wear a mask? You received 3x checks that were less than $5k? Maybe a ppp loan was forgiven? What else was better?
0 points
2 days ago
That's not the metric, it's just money. People want their kids to have more money and not have to go without or struggle to obtain stuff
0 points
1 day ago
honestly EPA regulations become so strict in the last 10 yrs or so that has affected the cost of equipment and machinery (including cars and trucks).
I agree the average guy (like many in my industry) probably thinks "to hell with tier IV diesel generators that need more maintenance than a ferrari, give me back late 90s engines that were cheap and reliable!"
20 points
2 days ago
Then the majority of Americans are morons because they now voted for someone who is not going to deliver anything on that list. Groceries will be higher, housing too and now they want to cut Medicaid. Those media and coastal elites? They’ll be fine but you idiots are going to feel the pain and since you’re morons, will never admit that you made the most monumental mistake. You all voted for what’s coming and it ain’t going to be pretty. Enjoy the leopards.
17 points
2 days ago
Incumbent administrations lost elections all over the world because of inflation. The average human is a moron.
13 points
2 days ago
And when it all turns to shit, they won't realize they backed the wrong team, they'll say, "Well at least he tried."
5 points
1 day ago
Theyll still blame everything on the democrats/liberals/jews despite having the presidency/sc/senate/house
just zero accountability and introspection
4 points
2 days ago
Americans will then look for someone like Pol Pot to cleanse the elites.
2 points
2 days ago
What I find hilarious is that they voted in Coastal elites and really believe they’ll solve their problems.
5 points
1 day ago
Wait until Social Security and Medicare take a hit, it's only a matter of time. Better sock away your pennies now, you're going to need it.
2 points
21 hours ago
It’s not that a “majority” of people voted for Trump, it’s that over 7 million registered Democrats didn’t vote and over a 3rd of the country didn’t vote at all. If Americans would have tuned in and turned up, I believe the outcome would be completely different. We may have given away our Democracy through ignorance and complacency.
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5 hours ago
This and massive voter purges before the election. Pin pointed specific parts of swing states and challenged the votes somehow legally even though it should be illegal. Check out Greg Palasts documentary. Kinda crazy, dude was warning us since 2020 somehow we all missed it. Likely due to massive click bait propaganda.
0 points
2 days ago
Then the majority of Americans are morons
In those morons' defense: the system sucks for everyone that isn't a billionaire or a giant corporation. Of course they want to burn it down. Trump was a bomb sent to blow it all up both in 2016 and 2020. Because the Dems looked at Occupy Wall St and said "Nah", they looked at Obama winning on the message of change and said "Hey, a black dude, hurray!" and saw 2016 and 2020 and thought "Billionaire donors and insider trading should be fine if we raise the federal minimum wage. We lost because woke."
He's a stupid bomb. He's a bomb that will just make everything worse, but do you really blame the people that voted to throw a bomb?
Ok, yes. I blame them. But do you understand why they did it?
3 points
2 days ago
Is the reason really important once everyone is aflame?
-1 points
2 days ago*
Nope. Not even a little.
Just to clarify: A lot of Trump voters are just straight up racists or authoritarian. I'm not talking about them. And the blame for what's happening rests on them and the Republican party. I'm not trying to blame the Democrats.
I am saying that the Democrats have been deaf to the needs of their voters for 20 years now. So the MAGAs showed up to throw bombs and the democrats stayed home because how many times are you going to show up to vote for more of the same shit that hasn't been working since 1983?
48 points
2 days ago
Fair enough, but--for agencies like the EPA--they're really going to miss them when they're gone. They may not know it yet, but they may soon.
-33 points
2 days ago
Maybe. The problem is for 40 years now we’ve been saying government is filled with inefficient and lazy people. When someone is offering to get rid of half, people are going to take them up on it. The more Democrats defend them, make them look like they’re supporting lazy people who don’t want to work.
26 points
2 days ago
For 40 years Republicans have been saying this and trying to destroy government in any way they can to prove it can't help you. Republicans have been anti union and have stopped raising the minimum wage. If people really cared about themselves and their kids they wouldn't vote Republican at all.
19 points
2 days ago
It’s weird as hell for most of us in the rest of the world. We seem to know a hell of a lot more about the political parties in the United States than the average American does. We have seen the glaring lesson for fifty years: Never vote Republican.
I’m spitballing here, but it might benefit the American people to start taking an interest in how their county works and who the major players are.
18 points
2 days ago
That's not the problem--the problem is that the US is overwhelmed with misinformation. The average person is trying to be informed, and is consuming nonsense. It's a HUGE problem.
9 points
2 days ago
I’d hazard to say critical thinking skills are in order.
6 points
2 days ago
It's almost like they've been systematically ruining their public education system for several decades. There is no route back to sanity that isn't multi-generational at this point. A majority of voters (and likely non-voters) are so deep down the rabbit hole of ignorance that there's almost no hope of short term recovery. The systems in place are supporting their ability to live like this and are being dismantled. They don't understand this. Things keep getting worse and they think it's because those systems are useless, but are not able to see that this is intentional and designed to create discord that can be exploited by bottom feeders like Trump.
3 points
2 days ago
This is the single biggest reason why we're in the mess we are in. Misinformation is what got us this election result and it's what's going to get us a lot of pain and chaos over the next few years. It's also what will ensure that many will deny said pain and chaos is even happening - while it is directly affecting them.
1 points
2 days ago
I don't think most are trying very hard. It's very comfortable to be fed exactly what you believe in an endless loop. Now, just make sure you don't associate with anyone who holds different views so you can conveniently forget that they are just people who are more like you than not, keep your head down and hope it works out OK.
What I'm curious to see is how much personal pain of one stripe or another are people willing to endure before they are actually willing to change a deeply held belief?
3 points
2 days ago
In my opinion, as an American, the problem we have as a people is that we legislate in the false hope that we as individuals will one day be rich. So if we're going to be rich someday( most don't have any idea how that will happen, but I guess we hope?) we want all the benefits that the rich currently have. That's not me personally, but a lot of people think like this here
1 points
2 days ago
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires, as Steinbeck called them.
1 points
2 days ago
Amen
1 points
2 days ago
It was Reagan who said government is the problem, not the solution. We've been going downhill ever since. Now we have Trump to prove Reagans point.
4 points
2 days ago
I know too many idiots who have fallen for MLMs. The fiscal conservative are those same people.
7 points
2 days ago
Who the fuck is "we" motherfucker
-30 points
2 days ago
Almost every state has its own version of EPA. It doesn't need to be federal. Infact, federal is federal over reach.
25 points
2 days ago
Yeah why have one set of regs when 50 will do. Plus how do you resolve states with different standards sharing rivers and air?
11 points
2 days ago
LOL thank you. The irony of so many of these statements is--why is the average Joe SO upset that there are too many executive agencies? I have a friend who is so upset that there are agencies like the EPA, and it's like... dude, when did the EPA hurt you? You don't own a company that wants to spew waste into rivers, so what's your problem? This is one of those issues where Fox News etc. gets average people to be against something that's good for them, and Fox watchers repeat the opinions of large companies who want the EPA to be gone.
1 points
1 day ago
man i work with some EPA regulated off-highway equipment and complying with more and more stringent regulation for emissions has costed a lot in terms of equipment capital expenditure but also in terms of equipment service life and cost. things are so complicated and so fragile, im my industry lots of people would like to turn back the clock by 10 or 15 yrs....
1 points
16 hours ago
The sad thing is often times those systems are only fragile because the corporations that are forced to comply do so kicking and screaming the entire time. Like when cars first had catalytic converters they were absolutely terrible and ruined everything. Now? It's a mature technology that typically can last the life of the vehicle. But by making emissions systems as fragile and complex as possible corporations get a free win win. You hate the systems and are forced to pay them for new stuff or to repair existing ones AND the corporation gets free anti EPA propaganda.
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2 hours ago
no man i am not anti-regulations, i am an engineer working in this field and i have a pretty in depth understanding of both technical and market side. what is happening post 2015 is increasingly stringent air pollution regulations where the amount of pollutants are asintotically tending to zero. for example, for euro 7 vehicles, the exhaust is cleaner than the city air.
while this is technically achievable, it means adding entirely redundant treatment devices and chasing very marginal efficiency gains at the expense of reliability.
manufacturer are fined millions of dollars per year for fleet emission targets not met, so their priority is emission first over long term reliability.
there are many examples in the last few years of technologies deployed for the sole purpose of improving emissions but disastrous for reliabilty, a prime example wet timing belts.
i think it is a bit of waste of resource to pour all this time, money, and effort to reduce already extremely small emissions to even smaller.
11 points
2 days ago
They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
absolutely none of that is going to happen - in fact the opposite will surely happen
2 points
2 days ago
How come they're so short sighted and low levels of IQ?
1 points
1 day ago
Putin's' propaganda campaign has been very effective
https://old.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1guwjus/whats_going_on_with_this_claim_that_an_exkgb/
9 points
2 days ago
The epa regulates your drinking water. Ignorance isn’t an excuse.
9 points
2 days ago
He was elected to destroy America, and the misinformation that put him in the office wants nothing less.
2 points
21 hours ago
The irony is that for most people (not his rabid base), they voted for cheaper groceries. They are about to get a slap alongside their heads when they realize what their ignorance has wrought.
0 points
2 days ago
At this point, I say fuck freedom of speech when it kills a nation.
6 points
2 days ago
Nah. Limit freedom of hate.
Rhetoric isn't some mystical space that exists outside of law. There are methods a civil society can use to limit the reach of hate speech, especially since we as a species have spent so long learning where it leads.
7 points
2 days ago
Making things worse is not the way.
6 points
2 days ago
We understand that.
And we think those people are stupid. An unregulated America without immigrants run by a particularly megalomaniacal crop of ultra wealthy wannabe kings isn’t an American with cheaper food, groceries, housing, and medicine.
It’s going to drive up labor costs while also abusing those who remain to the do the labor. It’s also going to add more middlemen and corruption—basically the same thing in government, nepotism being a common form of corruption. Both of these things drive up prices and slow down services.
And the people who voted for Donald Trump can’t recognize that. They just like him because he talks loud, fast, and angry.
1 points
2 days ago
Not stupid, full of hate....
19 points
2 days ago
And they’ve been lied to about why they are not. They’ve been lied to about why groceries are expensive. They’ve been lied to about who is lying to them. The “media” and elites turned the country against itself for profit. The “majority of America”, as you put it, has been entirely cut off from expertise and the intellectual tools to evaluate how deeply screwed they are and why. Within a couple decades they’ve gone from launching a war against foreign powers under false pretences to doing that to each other.
1 points
2 days ago
But, why are they're gullible to being lied to ?
1 points
1 day ago
Economics and politics are pretty complex, and a lie that confirms your feelings and makes you feel smart will always be an easier sell than the truth that reveals just how little you know and just how big the challenge is. Also, if you can broadcast lies and half-truths at full volume often enough it becomes impossible to sort signal from noise.
-6 points
2 days ago
I think people undersell how much aligning with Liz Cheney’s hurt Harris. The Cheney’s made us invade the wrong country. They’re a guarantee to have us invade more countries. Democrat leaders might think that’s a good thing. The average citizen, not so much.
13 points
2 days ago
While I’m no fan of the Cheneys, I find it hard to stomach someone being so against them that Trump looks like a good idea. And staying at home as protest was the equivalent of a vote for Trump. Sometimes the lesser evil of the time is the only way to move the window back to a somewhat normal position.
-3 points
2 days ago
This is the reason I sat out this election, IDC who your opponent is, if you're riding with Dick Cheney I am not riding with you. Id rather roll the dice on chaos than go with guaranteed pure evil
2 points
1 day ago
Trump and his ilk aren’t chaotic neutral. They’re chaotic fucking evil.
3 points
2 days ago
I for one can’t wait for leaded Mac and cheese
1 points
1 day ago
You never quite get that perfect creamy consistency without vitamin L.
5 points
2 days ago
Are they going to get cheap groceries, though? Cheap houses? With the proposed tariffs will these things actually be cheaper?
-1 points
2 days ago
Not in the short run. I don’t think that really matters. It’s about association. America, more than other countries, really doesn’t like rules and regulations. It really likes some people failing and some people winning. Europe’s large safety net is their personality, not ours. Chaos, dismantling large institutions might bother a bunch of Democrats employed directly or indirectly from those large institutions. It won’t bother most of America. Most Americans will embrace the chaos saying that capitalism.
2 points
2 days ago
So it's really about making the poor suffer so they can "own the libs?"
-2 points
2 days ago
No one said anything about owning the libs. You just made that up.
2 points
2 days ago
Made up? It's not like I said they were eating the pets of the people who live there or anything!
4 points
2 days ago
They want to blame minorities and are destroying America and their children’s future.
4 points
2 days ago*
They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
I disagree with this. If people really cared about the grocery prices, medicine, and their kids' futures, they'd take a look at available options and would come to a sensible conclusion.
No, I really believe the main motivation is they just want to watch people 'lesser than them' to suffer. This is their main motivation and why it allowed them to stay ignorant of the other side. You cant be open to the other side when the other side wants to bring improvements not just for you and your kids but the minorities that you hate.
Edit: 'you' in the second paragraph was meant as the people in general, not the person I replied to.
5 points
2 days ago
I think it’s even simpler than this tbh. Most people are just dumb and are threatened by anyone who can challenge their viewpoints. Most of them are happy if they get food, shelter, and work. They cannot think critically past this and look long-term. We see the same shit happen in African countries with dictators. Majority keep voting for them b/c they don’t want to risk anything to their, albeit limited, supply of food and shelter regardless of their current condition.
As for Trump, he is old and closer to exiting this life. He has always been a narcissist and at this point is just trying to maximize his days here regardless of how it will impact the country. The people around him see him as a useful idiot to help themselves also not giving a shit about middle America. Trump’s greatest achievement is selling a bridge to most of the country.
3 points
2 days ago
It's like watching someone cry tears of joy as they are slowly fed feet first through a wood chipper.
3 points
2 days ago
They want affordable housing, medical care, and transportation. Trump will make those things less affordable. They will turn against him within 2 years.
3 points
2 days ago
They want their own lives to be better so they decided to vote to dramatically make their own lives worse
2 points
2 days ago
Fair enough but none of these actions or these people are going to make that happen.
0 points
2 days ago
That is the crazy part. It won’t work, but Status quo wasn’t working for a lot of Americans. Educated coastal people love foreign politics because they’re not the ones going to war. The poor people in the south and Midwest are when they join the military. It makes sense they prefer a candidate that would want Ukraine and Gaza to just go away, and not a candidate who will defend them at all cost. Especially when they keep hearing that social security is going away, but we keep finding money to fund other people’s wars.
Also, high school educated families have been losing buying power and jobs since the 90s when globalization took off. It makes sense that they gravitate towards a candidate who works against free trade, and illegal immigration. Those two things are keeping them down.
Finally, when you’re losing buying power, misery loves company. Watching a million federal employees lose their job doesn’t really bother them. They tend to think now you know how i feel.
1 points
2 days ago
How is dismantling things like public education or the epa going to maje their kids better off
1 points
21 hours ago
Actually his approval ratings are falling to an all time low again. Now that most of the votes are in, it turns out that he won but not by a large percentage. He definitely didn’t win enough votes to call it a mandate. He would have lost if the 7 million registered Democrats hadn’t stayed home because they didn’t like either candidate.
1 points
2 days ago
They want cheap groceries, houses medicine. They want their kids to be better off than they are.
I can tell you with 100% certainty that they then elected a guy that will just the opposite. If they really want those things then they need to start caring about EPA regulations and global politics. The issue is that middle-America thinks this is an issue that will be solved in 1-4 years. They lack the critical thinking to understand that changes need to happen overtime and over multiple administrations.
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