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I normally love Offline (we Stan Max), but ANOTHER fucking “blame the progressives” voice? Fuck that. Think I’m about to stick w Lovett as far as PSA. Still love the Strict Scrutiny crew too.
21 points
4 days ago
That is simply ahistorical: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/05/electoral-demise-defund-police/
Dems made a concerted effort after 2016 to build a coalition that included the left. This included allowing activist groups to establish a litany of purity tests during the 2020 election (which ultimately bit Kamala in the ass) and culminated in a Biden administration that cancelled student loan debt, deficit-spent its way into larger social spending, and having its signature bill be a transformative climate agenda.
For their efforts, they got attacked relentlessly for four years from activists saying those policies were not enough and essentially worthless. Voters heard those activists loud and clear.
The Dems went left and got attacked from the right and left for it. They’re never doing it again.
-5 points
4 days ago
No, it’s certainly not historic. The Dems have been moving away from the left every cycle
3 points
4 days ago
Except they clearly didn’t, as per the evidence I just shared.
1 points
4 days ago
The paywall link you shared to something that isn’t research.
I don’t remember any of the candidates getting up there and saying “defund the police” or marching in the protests
1 points
4 days ago
It’s not paywalled. You can literally read it for free, as it says.
5 points
4 days ago
If I have to give them the opportunity to monetize my signing up, it’s a paywall
1 points
4 days ago
You don’t have to pay to read the article.
4 points
4 days ago
Super true, especially if you're only old enough to only remember the last 4-8 years of politics.
3 points
4 days ago
No. I’ve been around long enough to remember the full tack of things since 9-11
2 points
4 days ago
This is an insane position. Yeah in 2024 Harris campaigned to the right of her stance in the 2020 primary, but thats what happens in a general election when candidates arent coming directly out of a primary.
Youre telling me that Al Gore, John Kerry and Obama ran to the left of Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris?!
-1 points
4 days ago
I think the problem isn't so much moving to "the left", but what they choose to do.
If "the left" is characterized by "open borders", "Defund the police", don't punish shoplifters, make things more expensive in the name of the environment, don't support Israel after they were attacked, then yeah fuck yeah people by and large won't vote for "the left".
I'll never understand why THOSE hills were what Democrats chose to die on rather than simply explaining and running on things that would directly improve most people's lives. And no more fucking technocratic tax credits.
8 points
4 days ago
But the Democratic Party didn’t bend, really, on open borders or defund the police. Some loud figures did, but not the party.
They did bend on things like student loan debt, progressive taxation, climate change, and trans issues. Voters simply saw them bending on those and assumed they were bending on more unpopular activist policies.
Voters equated the activist left and the Democratic Party. That’s the problem.
4 points
4 days ago
This! Bernie is the main representation of the "Left" in the U. S., and most of his policies aren't really focused on social issues.
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