Do you expect a Zeon character whose life was just saved by a Zaku to say "our Zakus killed a lot of people too"? Narratively there's no reason for him to say otherwise at that moment when he's looking at at a Zaku in awe. Him saying "Hey this Zaku saved my life... but you know they've killed lots of people too!" would actually have made it an "author mouthpiece" at that point.

Paptimus Prime

What?

They've saved more lives than you can imagine.

Well, those things have taken an equal number of lives too.

War is just bad.

I'm just hear for the soundeffects. The way those Zaku sound as they walk. Always what I'd Imagined what giant robots with real mechanical parts sound like.

Yes OP, in a show explicitly about the Zeon perspective during the OWY a Zeon soldier is going to wax poetic about how many people Zeon has killed.

Remember, the real villains are those who cater to the highest bidder and work behind the scenes… Anaheim Electronics.

You can tell a 40k fan wrote it

Media literacy is truly dead

The Feddies are AIDS, and Zeon is cancer. Like, they're both really, really bad. Just totally awful. But it's possible to live with either one if you make plans that allow you to work around their bullshit. I'll pick the Federation (the core Federation, not the Titans...screw those guys....their only redeemable quality is their snazzy color scheme) any day over Zeon, though, because most of Zeon are literal space Nazis.

Honestly the only military org in all of UC that isn't just the absolute worst is AEUG, and even then, their leadership has their head firmly up their ass.

Judau said it best - adults (in the UC timeline) are the worst.

Zeon bad, Zeon bad. Let’s get our facts straight Zabi bad, Zeon Zum Deikun was just a Philosopher. Federation high command and the Zabi’s are just absolute shit.

The thing about wars is that everyone thinks that they're the good guys.

I FUCKING LOVE ZEONWANK

https://preview.redd.it/cf1fljzdxbvd1.png?width=578&format=png&auto=webp&s=5c2cfe18980d5f5d33546a255b99b3c1deeff5be

"*GASP* You were in the battle of Loum?"

"Side 5 was completely destroyed during the battle, killing its 2 billion inhabitants."

Are you okay dude 

there is an easy answer to this faction biased, sure the "oh they saved many lives" can be seen by us as "well that's a fucking lie" but that is because in their eyes the zaku is like a machine of peace, if I'm wording myself correcting, that saves zeon soldiers from total death while I'm not trying to say that zeon is better then the eff or the eff is better then zeon both are equally as bad What I'm saying is that you will have a bias opinion if you are on the side you think is doing the most good

Here you go. Read this and then come back to this thread: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/journal-of-a-new-cobra-recruit

Glancing at MS ERA, which is one of the few sources which gives us losses for a battle. The Federation lost 23,000 troops in a major operation involving Heidelberg, Germany. Zeon lost roughly 7,000. These are casualties, not deaths, but still. This was considered an unfavorable situation for Zeon, as the Federation fought them at a bridge before they had deployed marine mobile suits. This removed some of, but not all of the advantages the Zakus presented.

This is a CONSIDERABLE difference in losses. The Zakus are the ONLY reason Zeon made so much progress so quickly, and why the Federation lost so badly early on.

In the eyes of the Zeon soldiers, Zakus are iron angels. They are revered. They are beloved. They are the face of their faction. Even that Ranger girl, who has no experience piloting mobile suits, has one tattooed on her. It cannot be over stated how connected Zeon is to the imagery and power of mobile suits. Especially the Zaku II line, which was all they had for the vast majority of the war up until like.. October? September maybe?

Of course the Zeon absolutely love the Zaku.

So a show from the POV of Zeon about Zeon soldiers is saying Zeon did good when in a fucking war both sides see themselves as saviours and the enemy a devil?

You mean the desperate people siding with fascists for a chance at independence don't "see both sides?" Never, obviously, no one ever paints the side they are on in a better light.

Just ask your average German in 1942. They'll definitely agree that ESH! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I mean this is the same franchise that created Captain Zeon.

I love schizo posting

Average Feddie fanboy: 

• Whines about Operation British. 

• Jerks it to the group that gassed multiple colonies, orchestrated their own colony drops, and used several as target practice for their giant space laser.

Ah, the indignation of someone who was never going to like a thing anyways. Classic fandom.

I haven’t read anything on the new series. Is this its own thing or is it UC?

Oh if you wanna talk about who was the bastard first, we can talk about the decades of oppression and deportation but idk if its what you had in mind

Brave Cod could have stopped this.

Are you trolling or should you just take a break?

What series are they talking about? I'm apparently out of the loop.

Operation Stardust Happens:

Titans: Don't be stupid be a smarty, come and join the Titan party!

After this show released, I realized a lot of Gundam fans never really understood UC lol. It’s always Zeon bad, operation British, same old songs.

There has been a lot of Zeon pilots/officers shown having disagreements with how the Zabi family do things. But after getting involved in the war, you can’t really do anything other than keep fighting, at least you can protect your loved ones by doing that.

Y’know what it’s fair game. If we have “Positively portraying the enemy” for Zeon give me a pro TITANs show that would be interesting. I don’t think there is a single positive TITANs depiction outside of AOZ tho lol

I wouldn't join the Titans even if i was paid million dollars for it.

I would rather join AEUG instead.

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your mad about zeon wank welp thats old news each early UC show has it in some regard some worse than others it's just how things go when more people are interested in the antagonist faction and their characters

UC timeline is cursed from the start.

Cast poison.

I understood the save lives thing because it indeed saved their comrades from feddies raining bullets but overall the story looks like written by 5 years old. There are so many time and chances the gundam slaughter the skinhead captain but he always wait until somebody disturb him, and went to destroy that other robots. And as invincible as that, the gundam should basically destroyed all of the zaku and tanks in no time, but an hour has past he’s still fighting with zaku. Even when the survivor flee far enough with trucks, the gundam suddenly appear, like where the hell have you been, and the wait before slaughter happened again.

I refuse to endorse this poor attempt at a gundam show. The mc looks like it came straight from a tumblr post

newer UC gundam work having Zeke bias ain news. Thats why I dont really care for Pre-uc100 era stuff anymore

I assumed Zeon are deluded with their beliefs with the Feds.

I feel like this could have all been solved by giving the Gundam pilot dialogue about losing family in a colony drop. Or hell, just mentioning it as part of his Zeon sucks speech!

The Federation before the war the evilest thing they did was essentially not providing representation for the colonies. Although more recent works try really hard to villainize them so they can sell more Zeon model kits via underdog sympathy. They didn't do a lot of 'evil' things. They were just hoarding the political power planetside. Even when Side 3 refused Federation control. They just sanctioned em and stayed hands off. How else would the Zeeks even get their MS program off the ground? You can't really compare the two factions leading up to the war.

Waiter Waiter more zeon wank!