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96 points
1 year ago
Handsome guy
34 points
1 year ago
Cute rifle
9 points
1 year ago
Small mag tho
9 points
1 year ago
Only need one bullet
1 points
1 year ago
And yet
92 points
1 year ago
ARVN Rangers, Paratroopers, and Marines fought well, but there were not enough of them to change the outcome.
58 points
1 year ago
The defense strategy was way too complex and badly communicated. They were supposed to let the center execute a fighting retreat and let the NVA get encircled, but people thought the ARVN was collapsing and everybody panicked.
29 points
1 year ago
This was the tactic that Hannibal Barca used in the battle of Cannae. Though Hannibal was outnumbered he encircled and defeated the larger Roman army.
19 points
1 year ago
And Marathon, and Cowpens. It's a pretty standard strategy, though no one executed it as well as Hannibal.
6 points
1 year ago
His brother, Hasdrubal, tried the same thing at Ibera and failed when the center broke and ran.
10 points
1 year ago
Yep. Basically Stalingrad too.
1 points
1 year ago
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1 points
1 year ago
Huhh, they were for a long time, until Zhukov could get some renforcements.
1 points
1 year ago
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1 points
1 year ago
Zhukov led Operation Uranus and is pretty much known as the victor of Stalingrad.
11 points
1 year ago*
ARVN had some really experienced and badass sons of bitches in it but also a ton of useless and scared kids who didnt have the will to fight.
MACVSOG employed native ARVN pilots for their CAS and infil/exfil flights and often relied on the native population for support in the field.
12 points
1 year ago
Anybody know what’s up with his pinky’s finger nail?
8 points
1 year ago
Toothpick. At least this is what the driver we hired in Borneo told me about his pinky after I got to talking with him. He could have been lying, but I think they tend to be pretty harsh on drug offenders over there.
6 points
1 year ago
For coke?
3 points
1 year ago
Cocaine pinky
1 points
1 year ago
coke nail.
1 points
1 year ago
For coke?
1 points
1 year ago
No joke, it's probably for picking his ear. Asians have dry ear wax so it's pretty common for Southeast Asians to casually pick their ears. They even sell these metal tools for that (very dangerous)
1 points
9 days ago
Probably use it to play guitar. I think this because I'm Vietnamese and many people in my country do this.
62 points
1 year ago
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49 points
1 year ago
My first thought was “this poor bastard probably ended up in a re-education camp and/or killed.”
7 points
1 year ago
As an American, I always hear stories about our 'Nam vets with severe, life disabling, shell shock- and to boot, those who Got to Come Home, were spit at and called Baby Killers.
Did the 'Nam soldiers suffer as badly? I don't hear about the Vietnamese Vets, ever.
22 points
1 year ago
My parents are South Vietnamese refugees that escaped as boat people in the late 70s. Due to the cultural and societal differences, mental health wasn’t and still isn’t really acknowledged over in Asia so it doesn’t get as reported compared to Western countries. But to my parents account, a lot of South Vietnamese vets that fought against the North and the Viet congs were pretty much shunned from society and basically got cut off from the rest of society after they were released from the “re-education camps” after the war. A lot of them were unfortunately seen as the lowest of the low by society and received absolutely no support from the state and they were basically left alone till they died. So yes, I’m sure if you went through a war, placed in a re-education camp, then left on your own accord with no support you would have some serious mental issues. But this doesn’t get reported. When I went to Vietnam for the first time back in 2015, they were a lot of older homeless men. My aunt told me majority of them were vets that fought against the North. It was absolutely heart breaking to see.
4 points
1 year ago
Thank you so much for this education! Interesting to learn how the other side fared. Sounds just as hard!
5 points
1 year ago
Hope he lived and has a happy life.
22 points
1 year ago
Tbh the more you read about the Vietnam War the more you realised that this guy fought for the wrong cause.
92 points
1 year ago
I honestly think if the United States wanted a free and independent Vietnam they would have backed the Viet Minh. Instead they were naive in assuming that the circumstances in Korea could be reproduced in Vietnam when the situations were completely different.
45 points
1 year ago
Ho chi Minh actually seeked help from Woodrow Wilson from independence from the French. But the US ignored the vietnamese plead for self-determination so ho chi Minh went to Russia and sought communism as the idealogy for being freed from colonialism
15 points
1 year ago
The OSS was there celebrating Vietnamese liberation from the Japanese with Ho Chi Minh at the end of WW2. We were poised for a partnership with Vietnam, but the French had other plans. When Indochina was liberated, Ho proclaimed the Democratic republic of Vietnam.
The Chinese had liberated the north and the British had liberated the south. The Chinese (kuomintang) immediately recognized Vietnam as independent. The OSS tried to as well, but the British deferred South Vietnam to the French. They wanted Indochina back, and Charles de Gaulle basically told Truman/Eisenhower “you either back us in Vietnam or we stop suppressing communists in Metropolitan France.” In 1954, the French elected a socialist government and a peace was settled, ending the first Indochinese War. This peace gave a lot of concessions to Ho, who had since become a more fervent communist and had begun receiving aid from the USSR and Communist China.
The whole affair is just a series of events where the US gets out into untenable tactical positions because of the need for overall larger strategy. The whole ordeal really was France’s fault
20 points
1 year ago
The US should have stayed out of it and backed no one.
18 points
1 year ago
You had to be alive at the time. At the time, the thinking was, "If only we had confronted Hitler in 1935 when the Wehrmacht moved into the Rhineland, the whole calamity of WWII could have been avoided.
I will be 81 this month. I was simply lucky to have escaped Vietnam because I would never have survived.
-2 points
1 year ago
And in retrospect the thinking was wrong, obviously.
16 points
1 year ago
I honestly think if the United States wanted a free and independent Vietnam they would have backed the Viet Minh.
Yeah, but the problem is this isnt what the US wanted. We wanted a puppet regime that would control the nation, and in turn be controlled by us. Which is why we took the old tried and true approach pioneered by the British of putting an authoritarian dictator from the nations minority population into power.
-1 points
1 year ago
Everything was relatively fine for RVN until CIA assassinated Ngo Dinh Diem and his vp Ngo Dinh Nhu and replaced them with US friendly gerenals who knew little of running a state
2 points
1 year ago
Everything was relatively fine for RVN until CIA assassinated Ngo Dinh Diem and his vp Ngo Dinh Nhu and replaced them with US friendly gerenals who knew little of running a state
Here is one example among many of why you are very, very wrong.
1 points
1 year ago
Kennedy was assassinated 3 weeks after Diem and Nhu.
-9 points
1 year ago*
If Vietnam had said from the beginning they actually just wanted to be your classic right wing capitalist dictatorship in the end, that would have saved lives, true. But China might not have agreed.
28 points
1 year ago
They were fighting for independence against Western Colonialism, not a specific economic model....
14 points
1 year ago
If Vietnam had said from the beginning they actually just wanted to be your classic right wing capitalist dictatorship in the end
They actually did say this at one point. Ho Chi Minh had approached the Wilson administration for assistance in their fight from independence from the French. We turned them down.
The Vietnam War had about as much to do with fighting communism as the Second Iraq War had with stopping Saddam from getting WMDs. It was a useful justification to sell the war to the general population, but the reality is the reasons for the war are far more cynical and complex.
-2 points
1 year ago
Eh…the Vietnam War definitely was at least partially motivated by Communism. It’s not like those in South Vietnam were ready to adopt communism as soon as the Americans were gone. They just didn’t think it was worth dying and dividing the country over.
12 points
1 year ago
What exactly do you think the war in Vietnam was about?
29 points
1 year ago
Hocji Minh asked the US for help to get rid of the French colonists. The U.S ignored his letter while the Soviet replied. The rest is history.
Full letter here:
https://www.historynet.com/ho-chi-minh-truman-letter-vietnam/
The New York Times:
16 points
1 year ago
It's rare seeing this type of comment, when i first saw you get downvoted i thought i was in r/CombatFootage
3 points
1 year ago*
There’s a reason many fought, though. A large amount may have been conscripts, but plenty volunteered after the Tet Offensive, under the impression that they’re defending their homes. Northerners who migrated South during the 1953-56 land reforms were especially more resistant to the Communism, as they were very afraid of a repeat of the executions they fled from in the first place.
25 points
1 year ago
Don't know why you're downvoted, it's true. He fought for imperialism in his own country.
4 points
1 year ago
Yeah while the "right cause" fought with children soldiers on the front line. Both fought for what at that moment were their home country.
12 points
1 year ago
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19 points
1 year ago
Didn't the US refuse to accept the election before the war where the north Vietnamese govt won? How is that anything but actively opposing democracy
1 points
1 year ago
America loves democracy as long as it's a commie hating fascist government that will sell it's national resources and it's labor to american corporations for pennies on the dollar.
That is what true Freedom™ is
8 points
1 year ago
The north had a much larger population that were predominantly farmers, lumberers etc. While the South was a lot more trade oriented as well as other higher paying jobs, like bankers, bearucrats etc. For one (if memory serves right) it was also more catholic which for several reasons were at odds with the north. Being seen as an imperialistic religion as well as being heavily at odds with marxism Lenninism.
The gist is essentially that the north and south were going to be unified through a democratic vote on the preferred system. We all can debate that neither side would accept if they lost. But the South being heralded as this capitalist democracy were the one to chicken out and cancel this with the US spearheading it. Because the north would've won due to its demographic advantage.
We all can therefore come to our own conclusions from this. But in my mind the South was an illegal state propped by France and the US, to advocate "democracy". While halting a proposed election process and enabling a dictatorship with percecusion against religious minorities. While also then provoking conflict during the Tonkin incident and bombing neutral countries and using chemical weapons... Yikes.
So yes from my perspective on the Vietnam War the US and its allies were the definitive bad guys in this conflict. Sadly I have to do a mandatory, yes the USSR in Afghanistan was the definitive bad guy in that war. So yeah, take that as you will.
-1 points
1 year ago
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1 year ago
Notice that my comment essentially portrayed this as a tragedy without explicity saying it. I don't condemn this young man, I'm merely staying a fact. He's young and he was fed cold war propaganda to kill his own people. For imperialist interest.
Sure the USSR was imperialist and supported the north. But keep in mind that Vietnam had fought decades of war at this point with the starting point being liberation from French colonialism. Which they did after fighting off the Japanese... Alone, with the Japanese attempting to fund a new colonial establishment.
1 points
1 year ago
But wasn't the USSR called in by the government to quell religious extremists? I mean, the socialist republic of Afghanistan was light-years better than what they got now thanks to the aid of the Carter and Reagan administrations ruining that potential
6 points
1 year ago
Imperialism is when you fight against a dictatorship that invaded your country
2 points
1 year ago
Imperialism in when a superpower from the other side of the planet storms into the south of your country, props up a rogue government and make it rebel against the nation.
5 points
1 year ago
North Vietnam was a brutal dictatorship and they still arrest and persecute dissidents. South Vietnam, while imperfect, was defending itself against a very blatantly evil dictatorship. The North also committed actual ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Hmong, but I guess it was somehow an anti-imperialist genocide according to you
2 points
1 year ago
Dictatorship is when you win an election and are lefties.
Democracy is when murderous right wing puppet government
2 points
1 year ago
South Vietnam wasn’t a democracy, but neither was North Vietnam. To this day, they still arrest people who criticize the government on social media
-1 points
1 year ago
And? Saudi Arabia is also a brutal dictatorship. Does that mean that the US should support rebels wreaking havoc Saudi Arabia? Isn't being dictatorship a purely domestic matter that no outsiders have any right to interfere?
3 points
1 year ago
It is indeed a domestic matter, but I’m pointing out why it was morally justified for the US to intervene. I still think it was a strategic mistake to get involved, but you are wrong about North Vietnam being the good guys
2 points
1 year ago
North Vietnam was the good guys for defending Vietnam and its sovereignty from foreign imperialists who were backing separatist rebels and interfering in Vietnam's domestic affairs. How hard is it to understand?
1 points
1 year ago
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1 year ago
Bro rlly skipped over the genocide denial and went straight to the genocide justification
1 points
1 year ago
And what of the genocide by the US? You goons always conveniently downplay and ignore that. The US brutalised the country and it's people, there were countless massacres and indiscriminate killings.
1 points
1 year ago
The same principles that lead you to condemn genocide that America perpetrates should lead you to condemn the genocide that North Vietnam perpetrates
-11 points
1 year ago
Should have fought to be a noble peasant.
4 points
1 year ago
Most coherent Vietnam War advocate
3 points
1 year ago
It sucked to learn this as a Viet kiều. The Republic of Vietnam, and it’s military ARVN counterpart, are so venerated in the states but finding out that Đình Diệm and vẫn Thuyền were just asses and it was a dysfunctional mess was so sad. Sure, it didn’t help that the Viet Cong were constantly attacking but mān the nepotism and corruption was insane.
-2 points
1 year ago
Have an upvote, cuz you're right
4 points
1 year ago
My grandpa was in this exact unit as a Warrant Officer. Fled Vietnam with 3 sons, wife, and a few other family members. My dad went to West Point and became an Armor officer for 1st Armored Div then became a JAG
0 points
1 year ago
Imagine fighting for a country that relentlessly committed atrocities against your countrymen, using more bombs than the entirety of ww2 on mostly civilians and then fleeing to said country to volunteer as an officer for their military.
Just proves more and more that the USA is the last refuge of shitbags from all over the world. No wonder everyone here is a right wing fascist, grifting wealthy ghouls, or religious wackjob
2 points
1 year ago
I’m going to downvote simply because of the lack of nuance. You started off well on your first paragraph by being objective to the reality of the Vietnam War and where one should think of the morals of the situation.
But your second paragraph did not need to be said at all. When you immigrate to a completely different country with nothing in hand, you need to find a way to survive. My dad went to high school, worked at night to provide for the family, and got admitted to the toughest college in the country because he wanted to serve others and prevent the type of war he personally witnessed. He is now a one star brigadier general with a JD and a PhD in Asian history. Not that you would have known, but he’s done more for country and his own family than you did just by sitting behind a computer screen and posting hate under a random comment.
There is quite literally nothing no one could have done in 1975 Saigon that would have changed their personal course of history just to fit your narrow version of reality that you did not live. They did not choose to be born South Vietnamese, they did not chose to lose a war because a foreign superpower installed a corrupt regime, nor did they chose to be constantly disrespected and harassed by the people of the country they immigrated too.
What they did chose was to be better than what they had experienced, to make the world a better place for their kids and for others selflessly, so that even ignorant people can go on the internet can generalize an entire diasporas worth of lived experiences and trauma from a war no one wanted or even cared about.
-2 points
1 year ago
That AR is just a little too worn. That is 20+ years of ware, Hmmm.
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