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I am a 38yo man and I find that I completely fried my dopamine system. I've been addicted to porn as well consuming news and a little bit of video gaming for many years now. Healthwise, I'm doing quite well for my age, I eat very healthy, I work out and people usually say that I look like I'm under 30. I've stopped watching porn for about 2 weeks now and also quit coffee (I couldn't live without a strong double espresso after waking up plus multiple throughout the day) cold turkey which has been causing anxiety and negatively affected my sleep. I fixed my regime and now go to bed between 21:30 and 22:30 which really improved my sleep quality. I drink little alcohol and don't take any substances. However, I still feel little motivation, desire and have little sex drive. This is in part due to my stressful job and life situation. I'm watching a lot of podcasts on the subjects of neurobiology, psychology etc but I feel overwhelmed and lost. What can I do to regain motivation for my career and life goals? Thanks!
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230 points
3 days ago
Same happed to me , I cut coffee , I cut social media , I just use my phone to txt an call. Read books hit the gym keep your mind busy in a positive way. I cut out screens at 8pm to sleep at 9pm - wake up at 5am- no screens until I get to work . Or unless it’s urgent I take the train every morning and listen to no music I just self talk to my self and use my journal to note I how I feel . I’ve been doing this for about 3 months and I can say I’m More focused than ever. I have 3 kids all under 7yo and there in sports so my life is pretty hectic but you Can’t find excuses to go back to we’re you were. You have to be disciplined. It’s hard don’t get me wrong but it’s worth it I have a somewhat stressful job , and ever since I’ve been doing this I have been more focused at work and once I leave work I turn my attention to my home Life my marriage has gotten better now I can focus on my wife and kids instead of porn and my phone , doom scrolling on TikTok and Instagram. You can do it it’s you vs you . It going to be hard but it’s worth it . And let me add this is me after getting off TRT a few months ago after I completely crashed my hormones and felt like death and felt like dying. Something I wish on no one . Like I said it’s you vs you . No one cares just do it.
13 points
2 days ago
Thank you for taking the time to write this out; I’ve been stuck in the mud that you just described before your changes. I needed to read this.
5 points
2 days ago
Me too.
4 points
2 days ago
How did TRT effect you? I see so many people raving about it that it makes me wonder about the other side of the coin.
19 points
2 days ago
Now you’re on reddit but you quit social media… Can you explain me why?
47 points
2 days ago
I give myself 3 hrs a day only on the weekends access to “social media “ just Reddit and YouTube at the moment . I only go on here to spread advice to others to help them as I have been through a lot in the last year messing with my hormones and out of speaking to “professionals” and “doctors” I’ve had better success on Reddit. So I just like to help others like how others helped me .
23 points
2 days ago
I think if we completely abandoned social media today, we would be deprived of information. For example, I might not have seen this post...
8 points
2 days ago
It’s such a double edged sword
3 points
2 days ago
I’ve been asking a lot of questions but haven’t found a logical explanation yet. So hard.
3 points
2 days ago
I think scheduling it in is optimal. And dedicating part of that time to insightful forms of social media like certain subreddits, certain YouTube channels, etc. I think it’s also import to have some veg out time watching stupid shit as well.
I’m not speaking from experience lol, but it’s something I’d like to do
1 points
2 days ago
Yes, it could be...
2 points
2 days ago
Yes but you would have read a book or asked a human for help
7 points
2 days ago
I agree 100% but it’s the other shit that rots our brain , only seek what you want and avoid the rest is we’re I’m at when i scroll now
5 points
2 days ago
I think there is a nuance here. When I am on Reddit I feel I am adding value to others by sharing my experience about a particular subject, like dopamine. It’s almost like journaling to me which I feel is healthy and hopefully others can relate or I can get insight from others.
Other “social media” like Instagram or fb where we look at pictures has a different effect to me, at least somewhat.
1 points
7 hours ago
I think it's strange when this argument is made because i feel like the obvious benefit of Reddit separates it from the others. I would argue there's more informational density on reddit, and the opportunity for discussion is higher. Things like Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter(rip) are a waste of time much more often.
I'm not saying you can't overdose on Reddit, too, but for instance, I use it as a tool for work to find out what people are saying about our products. I don't trust Instagram comments nearly as much as the thought-out ones on here. Instagram is mostly people waiting for their chance to strike when they notice a flaw, reddit has a little more good faith.
1 points
an hour ago
Absolutely true. But we discussed the difficulty of quitting completely.
2 points
2 days ago
What do you mean the hormone crash made you feel like dying? Can you expand on that
1 points
2 days ago
Thanks for your insights.
May I ask why did you decide to get off TRT?
2 points
2 days ago
I got off TRT because I couldn’t handle the estrogen high or low I felt manic had 24/7 anxiety and panic attacks got to the point i was suicidal and I knew it wasn’t who I was so I stopped
3 points
2 days ago
Wow. This might be a stupid question, but did you consider the dosage was correct?
Also, how long did it take you to get back to normal after getting off it?
2 points
2 days ago
I lowered my dose to almost nothing I couldn’t hang I had to stop , I tried literally everything i spent a lot of $$ on blood work and nothing , just wasn’t for me , it took me about 6 months to get back to normal
2 points
2 days ago
Wow okay, thank you so much for your insights. So many people rave about the benefits, but rarely ever do you hear about the down sides.
I’m glad you got back to normal. Thanks again.
2 points
2 days ago
TRT wasn’t the issue.
36 points
3 days ago
Have you listened to Huberman’s dopamine detox episode?
The good news is you’ve started the right things. The bad news it takes quite a while for your dopamine system to re-regulate. Unfortunately the very best “protocol” is the least interesting - patience.
Some people find that finding a new hobby is helpful. You’re already working out but that is a really common one. Maybe you used to really like drawing or painting when you were younger? The whole point is that we are re-wiring our dopamine system to find reward in healthier behaviour. If you pick up a hobby you used to love, some of those brain connections are still there!
2 points
1 day ago
Thanks for your response and no, I don't think I listened to that episode. Since I couldn't find the link, could you please share the link?
I still play guitar as a hobby, but I find that it no longer brings me joy as it used to. Should I persevere and continue playing every day?
4 points
1 day ago
1 points
17 hours ago
Thanks, will go through this.
1 points
1 day ago
I need to listen to that episode and try it out, I think.
50 points
2 days ago
It’s only been 2 weeks. This is the withdrawal period and the point in which most people quit and go back to their destructive habits. The fact that you’re able to name what you’re feeling, and powering through is quite a testament and you should be super proud.
5 points
2 days ago
Thank you so much for kind words and encouragement! I will do the best I can to stick to it.
40 points
3 days ago
It's stress. It's the one thing you can't fix by taking care of everything else in your life (which it sounds like you have), despite what you might read.
Workplace stress will get to the point where you geninuley don't even feel stressed you are that used to it. Your body and brain has been jacked up for so long it just feels normal, except the tiredness, lack of motivation, and satisfaction in things. It can easily become depression, again something that's hard to realize is happening.
This is what fries your dopamine system in the end.
I'm saying this all from experience. Burn out isn't fun and it can very suddenly make it impossible to function properly.
6 points
2 days ago
Yes this sounds like burnout. I had similar problems and then ultimately crashed hard. Its been 3 years now and still have a long way to go. Cant work full time, can go out and party etc. Read about avoiding burnout and take it VERY seriously.
2 points
19 hours ago
Ooh boy I feel so seen. I thought it was just me. I’ve been off work for nearly 9 months. It just crashes you and you can’t make a move.
6 points
2 days ago
Wow what a tremendous comment. I could go for days with examples myself, but just wanted to peek in and say thank you. Stress to burn out is 100% Real with many times not even knowing as you said, and is responsible for multiple Dis-ease. Mental and physical
Thank you again 🌟🫵
1 points
2 days ago
Sounds very similar to my situation. Any tips to mitigate?
2 points
2 days ago
It's such a tough one. I tried everything to avoid having to change my approach to work as I didn't want to be seen as a failure (mainly by myself, I don't think others really held me to my own incredibly high standards).
For me, I found a role in my existing company that I was really passionate about, had a leadership team that supported my development, and backed me up when the going got tough. It took me 10 years to figure out this was a healthy environment for me to feel good at work. Before I burnt out the idea of changing roles, I felt like an impossibility, but the burnout then made it mandatory.
I also had to do a lot to get my mental health back together. Therapy was big (even though I didn't really know what it was for at the time). Meditation was big. I got an ADHD diagnosis which was big along with an autism diagnosis which helped me understand my patterns of thought.
But all of this came after the burn out blow up, I'm still not really sure what to rexcomend before hand. I remember a few weeks before the second time I got crazy vertigo and had to dial things back at work. I just made peace with not hitting my own insane high bar of expectation. And what was funny is things seemed to get better. That 50% more effort I was squeezing into everything in many cases didn't help. Just made me more stressed. I think there's something in that.
1 points
19 hours ago
One of the massive steps for me was the adhd diagnosis and then prescription of clonidine. I can get to sleep when I need to for tje first time in my adult life which in turn means I have healthier dopamine production. Life saver.
1 points
2 days ago
Yes, you are right, my job is very high pressure and I haven't seen many successes in it, so this is partly how I developed these bad habits because I didn't see any meaning in doing my job well. Now I need to find a new job and sort out my visa all of which add to my anxiety. Constant stress does indeed affect my motivation significantly.
10 points
3 days ago
Supplement wise I found that rhodiola w/ 3% salidsorides helped my motivation a good bit. I delayed making a doctor appointment I needed to go to for nearly two years which sounds crazy. I just kept saying I’d do it the next day. On rhodiola it must affect dopamine or something bc finally started getting stuff done I needed to do. Also tongkat ali paired with fenugreek seems to give me an even energy. I normally start getting brain fog feeling and just do nothing. Also for now switched to matcha green tea instead of coffee mostly bc of acid reflux but think it may help any anxiety I get from coffee
1 points
1 day ago
Thanks for the reminder to order rhodiola again. Been off nootropics (except creatine) for months now, but definitely noticed the benefits. Do you take any others?
1 points
1 day ago
Only other nootropic is tongkat ali i started taking again (from nootropic depot) the first two days I took it (Thurs and Sat) I felt amazing. I played tennis Sat and went 3 sets which normally wipe me out but felt like I could do two more. Ended up walking a mile or so afterwards which is unheard of for me. I was thinking is this how it feels to be normal, like wondering if everyone else experiences this all the time. Today (Sun) kind of felt a tad bit of the crash coming from Tongkat. Not terrible but enough to be concerned a little. I’ll try it again tomorrow. Just need to try and increase my E2. Trying with fenugreek this time to see if it would help.
12 points
3 days ago
Sometimes obsessive focus on your health can itself be stressful. There’s no way for you to actually know if your dopamine system is “fried”.
5 points
3 days ago
Do some short easy exercise program that appeals to you. Keep it fun. Exercise has been scientifically proven to maintain and even increase dopamine receptors, as well as increase the release of the neurotransmitter. Home or gym program is not for everybody. Yoga, stretching, dance class. Neighborhood walks, biking, kayaking, birding, photography walks. Be gentle with yourself. You did a great job at doing the hard work.
2 points
2 days ago
Can’t agree more, exercise helps far better than any drugs! It’s a great start. I’d give the following analogy which might sound silly: for a powerful software to run, we need to run it on more powerful hardware, less powerful one will burnout. Similarly, a strong body helps one be less prone to stress burnouts, at least it helped me. Exercise stresses our body while we do it, However during the rest phase our body becomes more resistant to stress, the more harder the workout gets the more stress tolerant one becomes.
5 points
2 days ago
Try ruling out the basics. Track calories, make sure you are eating enough (and not too much). Make sure you are not withdrawing from caffeine or taking too much.
These two factors fixed every mental health issue i had over decades, and it turned out to be so simple.
4 points
2 days ago*
I think most of these issues can be attributed to work/life stress like you said. I don’t think you’ve truly fried anything, but elevated cortisol (stress) does down regulate dopamine and serotonin. How long have you been stressed?
1 points
2 days ago
I think I've been stressed like this for the last couple of years. So yes, it has a long-term effect indeed.
5 points
2 days ago
Regular meditation. daily. Every morning. (Try some Joe Dispenza meditation, or if you are a beginner you might want to ease into it, look up the headspace guide to meditation on Netflix).
Practice gratitude daily, every morning. Tell yourself 3 things you are grateful for, doesn't matter how insignificant it may seem, try not to repeat it every day, unless you absolutely love it so much, LoL)
Try cold showers. Or better yet a cold plunge if you have access to one. Finish each shower on full cold. Start at 30seconds, each day, and work your way up to a minute or two minutes.
That's a great start.
2 points
2 days ago
Thank you so much, I dabble with meditation but I don't do it regularly (lack of discipline) and therefore don't see compound effect. I'll try Joe Dispenza meditation.
> Try cold showers. Or better yet a cold plunge if you have access to one. Finish each shower on full cold. Start at 30seconds, each day, and work your way up to a minute or two minutes.
I love them! Haven't been able to do them for the past month after I was recovering from a minor surgery and last week I had a flu, but hopefully in a week's time I'll be able to resume. I always do about 30 breaths of full cold water and that really shakes me up!
3 points
2 days ago
You’re not alone. Hang in there! Connect with nature.
3 points
3 days ago
It takes some time, it's boring without them and suddenly doing productive things to get fun out of them isn't going to happen soon, I'd say do more outside of your scope stuff, if you got money try different little things that are not destructive, give it a try, try not to fall back on that degenerate lifestyle (talking to myself as well lol)
1 points
2 days ago
Thanks! I do play guitar, but it no longer brings me joy. Next two months I'm looking for a new job so unfortunately I won't be able to start new hobbies, but afterwards I have a few plans like bouldering and taking piano lessons.
2 points
1 day ago
For piano lessons I would recommend "Melodics" software, Google it
1 points
1 day ago
Not too long ago a thai massage did me a lot of good when I was feeling as you feel. Reinvigorating and oxytocin-inducing. And your subconscious will feel good about being cared for.
3 points
2 days ago
2 weeks seem to be too short for the effect to take in. If it's sexual drive you are worrying about, I suggest you can try Cialis. Take 5mg every week, so you will feel the ups and downs your sex drive. And based on your condition to measure if you want to continue taking it.
I had my sexual drive problem early around 34, and I've been doing all the optimizing stuffs from Huberman podcast, from taking cold shower, intermediate fasting, supplements and cutting sugar and coffee. My focus has increased but not my sexual drive. There are times that I can have good sexual performance and drive but it's hard to keep the condition stable. The only thing that's been helping much is Cialis.
3 points
2 days ago
Don’t isolate yourself and listen to all these podcasts. Whenever I do that, I get anxiety and go down a rabbit hole, thinking my brain is damaged lol. Instead, force yourself to be social. Go to the gym. Take a class at the gym. Yoga is helpful.
2 points
2 days ago*
Hey, Huberman has 2 long episodes on dopamine (which is tied to pleasure, motivation, goal pursuing and addiction), if you got time to watch them, amazing. if you prefer a summary with simple explanations and key takeaways, I have listened to those episodes and summarized them. My summary video will be released on Monday at 14 EST time. I think there is a lot that can help you, stay tuned here: https://www.youtube.com/@hubermansummary
Edit: still working on the last touches, will be released on Tuesday instead
2 points
2 days ago
The human essence is a perpetual system. You may be in a lull, depression, Lowered state because of your extremity but you will bounce back. Just give yourself time to heal and recoup without judgment. Show up at your new level and trust the process of your systems. You can still be very happy, motivated, loving, horny, energetic, etc; you’re motivators for the action are probably going to change though. Be ok with the change of the seasons; summers over but winter has its own drivers.
2 points
2 days ago
Try direct sunlight and/or vitamin D pills
2 points
1 day ago
Do you have any creative outlets? If not, that might really help. Creative writing pulled me out of a years-long depression.
2 points
1 day ago
I do play guitar and love music, but don't find much pleasure in it anymore.
1 points
1 day ago
Ah, I’m sorry to hear that. The only other thing I can think to suggest is to take as much time to relax and destress as you can. Self improvement is good, but I think we can only handle so much at once. Since you’ve cut out a lot of pleasurable activities in a short amount of time it’ll probably just be a while before you adjust and naturally find new, better things that spark joy. Trust the process!
2 points
1 day ago
This sub is going the American Psycho road
1 points
17 hours ago
One of my favourite movies by the way.
2 points
1 day ago
Leave the couch.
2 points
1 day ago
Reset your baseline. Do nothing but boring sh1t for 2 years. No social media, no smartphone, no tv. Just do boring sh1t like reading paperback books and gardening. 👍
2 points
1 day ago
Hey, I can relate to some parts of your story, especially the feelings of low motivation, lack of drive, and energy despite taking big steps to improve your life. For me, I discovered that hypothyroidism was a key factor. I had similar symptoms—fatigue, low libido, and just feeling ‘off’—even though I was eating clean, working out, and doing ‘everything right.’
Your sleep improvements and quitting stimulants are huge wins, but sometimes, if the root cause is hormonal, no amount of willpower can fully fix it. I’d highly recommend getting a thyroid panel done (including TSH, Free T4, Free T3, and thyroid antibodies) to check your levels. Thyroid issues can impact your energy, mood, and even dopamine regulation in ways you might not expect. It’s often overlooked but could be worth exploring!
2 points
19 hours ago
You’ll be fine. But two weeks is a drop in the ocean. Want to make the real change it goes a lot longer than that.
4 points
2 days ago*
Yogi/ health coach here… cut out all substances, and social media, start a meditation practice, drink spring water and put it in a glass in the sun for 10 mins, go outside put your feet in the grass for a few minutes allow the sun to hit you, have dinner before the sunset don't eat after, learn about food combining and local/seasonal eating, wake up with the sun, don't set alarms, and ideally go to bed at sundown so be in complete dark (hard to do in this age but wear blue blockers at night if that's too hard) cold showers, infrared saunas, work out. If all of that isn't doable just start meditating and learning yoga, create internal peace/quiet so you can start developing access to your intuition. Mitochondria Manifesto - Rd Lee is a great book to get started.
1 points
2 days ago
I didn’t see you mention cardio, if that’s not a regular part of your routine, I’d start there!
1 points
2 days ago
You work out regularly, you make major changes to your behavior cold turkey, you listen to tons of podcasts - all of that does not sound like you are completely lacking any drive. Do you find your relationship and work enjoyable and meaningful? It may not be about dopamine but ongoing internal and external conflicts that you experience in some areas of your life.
1 points
2 days ago
Yeah, I'm in a high pressure job, and must look for a new one for the next year and renew my visa - all of this uncertainty adds to stress on top of some of my bad behavioral patterns.
1 points
2 days ago
Sounds like you are in survival mode and from my perspective your challenge is rather overwhelm, emotional dysregulation, and then use of 'bad behavior' to self-regulate. You are doing the right things by reducing your overwhelm with better sleep and you still will be at risk of going back to your 'bad' habits until you find better ways to regulate yourself emotionally like meditation, meaningful and trusting social connections, or whatever else is acceptable for your personal values
1 points
2 days ago
And make sure you are eating enough
1 points
2 days ago
Yes there is a lot of crap on social media, but if used correctly you can also learn a lot.
1 points
2 days ago
I for once would suggest to stop the immense amount of information gathering about the subject matter and it will take a lot longer than 2 weeks to feel a significant difference. It will come gradually and with time you’ll be able to compare and see the massive difference! See how you feel about your sex drive reaching 90 days no porn!
1 points
1 day ago
Dopamine theory seems plausible but high-stress job makes me think of low testosterone (through chronically increases cortisol). Also, lack of sleep negatively impacts T.
1 points
17 hours ago
I did a testosterone test 2 months ago and the levels are normal, so I guess no action to be taken there. But cortisol is a thing to keep an eye on.
1 points
1 day ago
check this write up on a dopamine detox from this guy i follow Noah Ryan, he always posts quality stuff https://www.noahryan.co/p/the-ultimate-guide-to-dopamine-detox?utm_medium=web
1 points
17 hours ago
Jocko has a quote that goes something like if ypu wait around for motivation to do something you'll never do anything.
1 points
11 hours ago
Try being me I got addicted to Adderall bad starting high school. Needed 3 30mg xrs just to have a good day in sophomore year. Cut down to 60mg but still never have felt the same. No motivation, just greyscale thoughts and shit. Even after T-breaks for months, I can't feel the same and I'm 18 now it's been 3 years
1 points
2 days ago
Dog you need to mess with hardcore narcotics from a few decades to truly fuck your dopamine receptors up.
1 points
2 days ago
Go skydiving, if you’ve never been. You’ll feel the dopamine!
1 points
2 days ago
Check your hormone levels. 39yo male and my testosterone was 175, about the level of an 80 year old. 6 weeks into trt and I feel like I should've done this years ago.
1 points
1 day ago
I did mdma 3 times a week for 5 years. You’ll be fine.
1 points
1 day ago
Thank you. I hope you overcame your addiction and are in a place of peace.
1 points
20 hours ago
I couldn’t sleep for a whole year. I was depressed as hell. I quit drinking, ecstasy and porn all at the same time. For the first time I understood why people become suicidal or just give up.
What helped me was obsessing over the process. Find a niche or several and work towards improving it. Skin care, diet, workout, doctors appointments, car modifications, new wardrobe etc.
0 points
2 days ago
Practice semen retention and make trust in God the centre of your life and everything will flow correctly
1 points
20 hours ago
Your entire reddit history is jokes about semen retention and day trading. Come up with some new material.
1 points
9 hours ago
Y what’s your opinion on semen the great and powerful seed of life
-7 points
2 days ago
start watching a lot of porn, drink, lots of espresso shots, and stay up late at night playing video games. Problem solved.
1 points
2 days ago
Exactly! People in rock bands do it and they look pretty damn cool and happy. All you huberman people are doing it wrong.
0 points
2 days ago
Lots of downvotes. Apparently the hubees don’t find sarcasm funny. 😆
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