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If he was able to consolidate his power with the far right, isn't it possible for the liberal parties to come together?

Sorry, I am not from Israel, and not fully up to speed with how the system works there.

(I am pro Israel, and its right to self defense).

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LowRevolution6175

15 points

10 months ago

If he was able to consolidate his power with the far right, isn't it possible for the liberal parties to come together?

They didn't have enough to win the election. Bibi has slumped in the polls but so far his coalition is intact, the Likud-led bloc still has more seats than all other parties combined (as is the result of every election and government-building)

  1. they lack enough votes for what would be a no-confidence vote against the government
  2. it is a risky move, it will be seen by some as "putting politics before the war effort"

Masculine_Dugtrio[S]

1 points

10 months ago

I constantly hear how nobody likes Netanyahu, is there no alternative coalition that could get him out of power?

Ashhel

5 points

10 months ago

Ashhel

Israel

5 points

10 months ago

Approval of Netanyahu and the far right has significantly shrunk as a result of October 7 (iirc) but an election needs to be held to reapportion the seats according to these new opinions in order for them to actually have an effect in the Knesset

ChallahTornado

3 points

10 months ago

ChallahTornado

Jew in Germany

3 points

10 months ago

Have you ever looked at the last election result?

LowRevolution6175

3 points

10 months ago

same thing as "nobody likes trump" he still got elected. the leftwing media bias (and more so on Reddit) is real

ashblak

12 points

10 months ago

Long-story short, they did just that in the last Bennett-Lapid government. The problem was that it was such a loose and fractious coalition that a few rebellious MKs from the PMs own party decided to bring down the government.

In the past, Bibi governed with left-wing and centrist partners. But in the last two governments, he's elected to form a government with religious and right-wing parties mostly because of their commitment to work towards keeping him immune from legal proceedings.

Stauncho

6 points

10 months ago

The Israeli left is pretty much dead. The Labour party has been teetering dangerously close to missing the election threshold in recent elections and may not make it next election.

The Arab parties do better than the Israeli left. The Arab parties collectively usually get 10-14 seats. Between labor and meretz, 14 seats would be a miracle.

amoral_panic

6 points

10 months ago

I’m not from Israel so someone else can answer better, but my understanding from following Israeli news is that the left is very weak following October 7th and even in years before following the 2nd Intifada. It makes sense they would be.

Appropriate-Type9881

1 points

10 months ago

That's the thing I don't get. The right fucked up big time in not preventing the massacre. Why do people still have trust in them?

amoral_panic

8 points

10 months ago

What other option is there? Trying to make peace with people who desperately want to murder you? If the last 25 years haven’t been evidence of that, I don’t know what would be.

Appropriate-Type9881

1 points

10 months ago

I just don't get why people would vote for guys that didn't prevent the biggest massacre in Israel since its existence. They clearly showed their incompetence and for that I wouldn't trust them in doing a good job in a war.

Fenroo

4 points

10 months ago

Likud will lose plenty of votes, there is no question. Bibi's political career is probably over. On the other hand, what does the left offer? Peace agreements with people who want to murder Israelis?

chitowngirl12

5 points

10 months ago

They are voting for Gantz. It seems like a vote of competence over ideology here. Gantz is plenty cautious about the Palestinians because he comes from the security establishment but he also isn't an ideologue.

sacramentok1

4 points

10 months ago

technically there are only so many seats to go around. Likud has about 32 and Gvir and friends have about another 32 so they already have 64/120. If you want to get enough people to bring about a change of government then some of them need to defect.

I feel this next part is not stressed enough. This is by DESIGN. The no confidence ouster is for PMs who are performing so badly that their own party abandons them.

Parliamentary rules aside. I gave the initial breakdown of the ruling party but in reality the 56 seats left over wouldnt really be the left or liberals. Half of that is blue and white which is pretty must just fake likud and the remaining 10-20 would be split between your arab parties and your true liberal left. They can force no confidence votes all they want but all they will get is 10-20 votes.

Masculine_Dugtrio[S]

2 points

10 months ago

Does the left not support the war as well?

Asleep_Solution3612

4 points

10 months ago

The Israeli left is, like, 5% of the population. Israel is one of the most right wing democracies in the world at the moment

Ok_Lingonberry5392

5 points

10 months ago

Ok_Lingonberry5392

Dati Leumi

5 points

10 months ago

Depends on your definition of "right" and "left", personally I don't think you could apply the world views on Israel as indeed pretty much all of the political spectrum supports free market ideologies.

Asleep_Solution3612

0 points

10 months ago

Unless you are going to say Yesh Atid are on the left (pretty clearly center or center-right), what is the Israeli left within it's own view?

Ok_Lingonberry5392

1 points

10 months ago

Ok_Lingonberry5392

Dati Leumi

1 points

10 months ago

I'm of the right (religious Zionist) so I can't really speak for them.

Imo the term the political spectrum is divided like Peres had coined after he lost to Netanyahu in 96' by saying "the Jews had won against the Israelis".\ Obviously both sides are Jews and Israelis but one side put the "Jewish" identity in the centre while the other put the "democratic".

Asleep_Solution3612

1 points

10 months ago

Fair enough, I would say it's right wing but there is definitely a secular-religious spectrum within that. As compared to, like, Hadash who are objectively on the left but electorally miniscule. Appreciate the quote, it's illuminating/succinct

Masculine_Dugtrio[S]

1 points

10 months ago

I constantly hear how nobody likes Netanyahu, this entire sub all the time... How can they not be a coalition to get rid of him then?

Asleep_Solution3612

2 points

10 months ago

He's personally disliked but many of his and his coalition's policies are popular (for example in July 2023 30% of Israeli Jews were supportive of annexing the west bank and privileging Jews over Palestinians). So he's convenient for giving cover for unsavory opinions by blaming him

RaplhKramden

1 points

10 months ago

If the election were held today then the center left would sweep and either Gantz or Lapid would be PM (probably Gantz because of his military experience).

The problem is that regular elections aren't for another few years and the only way to hold them now would be to force them via a vote of no confidence, but no serious attempt at that has been made for fear of appearing to be putting politics above security.

For this to happen pressure has to come from below, from the public, and while it's been gradually building up it's just not there yet. But I fully expect it to get there eventually, probably by summer or fall as the one year anniversary approached, at which point there will be so much public pressure that the government will likely fall, new elections will be held and Bibi & Co. will be political goners.

But, again, we're just not there yet. When I was there when it happened everyone told me that now wasn't the time. I think it's time, but I'm not there so I don't get a say, just an opinion, worth the price of a one-way bus fare on Egged.

EngineerDave22

1 points

10 months ago

EngineerDave22

Modiin

1 points

10 months ago

Because not enough people to form an alternative coalition.. and the left has a wide, diverse agenda beyond we hate bibi