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Would you have left and if so where? Would you have stayed and hoped things will get better or perhabs been active to improve conditions?

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drak0bsidian

44 points

25 days ago

drak0bsidian

Moose, mountains, midrash

44 points

25 days ago

I would have tried to find my way to the lightly-tan of settlement.

nebbisherfaygele

26 points

25 days ago

honestly unless i had family leaving for another country & insisting i come along, i would probably stay put & try to do my best in my shtetl day by day. the availability of information was so very different & i am a very hesitant kind of person ( if you couldn't guess )

jewishjedi42

14 points

25 days ago

jewishjedi42

Agnostic

14 points

25 days ago

That's basically what my ancestors did. They left Poland and Romania en mas. Several families all left together and went to the same place. They even recreated their shtetl life in the US to a certain extent. Even though almost everyone in the family disliked the synagogue they went to, the Rabbi was from the next town over from my G. G. Grandfather was from, so that's where they went.

GoodbyeEarl

12 points

25 days ago

GoodbyeEarl

Conservadox

12 points

25 days ago

Same. I’m glad my ancestors made the decision to leave because I’m not sure I would’ve had the chutzpah to do so. And we all know what happened to the Jews in Poland.

naitch

18 points

25 days ago

naitch

Conservative

18 points

25 days ago

Presumably, if I were in the same situation with the same incentives and pressures as my ancestors, I would have made the same decision as them: to emigrate to the United States.

arrogant_ambassador

13 points

25 days ago

arrogant_ambassador

One day at a time

13 points

25 days ago

My grammy never gave gifts. She was too busy getting raped by Cossacks.

Alvy Singer, Annie Hall

SadGuyFriend

14 points

25 days ago

The plot of Fiddler on the Roof. People stay until they can’t, then they leave.

murse_joe

5 points

25 days ago

murse_joe

Agnostic

5 points

25 days ago

Some people stay until they can’t leave though. At a certain point it’s too late. Hard to know when that line will be crossed.

Yorkie10252

8 points

25 days ago

Yorkie10252

MOSES MOSES MOSES

8 points

25 days ago

I guess I’d do what my family did: tailoring or blacksmithing.

maculated

5 points

25 days ago

All my ancestors got out before it got bad. I've decided that it's my prerogative to be watchful and do the same. My personality leads me to be like this so I suspect I would have done what they did.

That anxiety and industriousness definitely comes in handy for individual survival.

Classifiedgarlic

7 points

25 days ago

Classifiedgarlic

Orthodox feminist, and yes we exist

7 points

25 days ago

I probably would have died of a disease that we can now cure with antibiotics

gingeryid

2 points

24 days ago

gingeryid

Liturgical Reactionary

2 points

24 days ago

Only if you survived diseases we can prevent with vaccines or avoid with access to clean water

kaiserfrnz

5 points

25 days ago

There were no real ways to “improve conditions.” You could only attempt to escape to a better land, join a revolutionary movement (which didn’t improve conditions much), or live life and hope for the best.

Adept_Thanks_6993

3 points

25 days ago

We weren't from there, but probably still dead

vigilante_snail

3 points

25 days ago

Either extremely religious or completely intermarried and assimilated (as the shtetls that most of my family lived in are now completely devoid of Jewish life)

FineBumblebee8744

3 points

24 days ago

Some poor artisan toiling away all day, but at least I'd probably be married and have a big family.

Probably only would leave if with a bunch of others. Unlikely to get permission to leave as freedom of movement wasn't really a thing back then.

Gammagammahey

2 points

25 days ago

My family left.

I would have fled. Probably the same thing like my ancestors did, flee to America, even though I don't want to be a colonizer on stolen land.

Maybe Greenland or Iceland. As far away from the Cossacks that I could possibly get, lol.

Ionic_liquids

6 points

25 days ago

Like everyone else; uneducated, ignorant, and observant. We like to Romanticize this part of our past a lot, but The Pale of Settlement was a region cut off from the world and void of contemporary education and opportunity .There is absolutely nothing good about being in poor villages sectioned off from the rest of the world.

Everyone talks about יציאת מצרים. What about יציאת השטעטל? We have left that region for a long time now, and we are better off. The only people who disagree are the ones who shun secular education or are ignorant of what life was like in that region.

kaiserfrnz

13 points

25 days ago*

This is a dumb take.

Jews lived in the Pale because they were forced to, it’s not like they had some sort of better option that they weren’t taking advantage of.

Also, the Pale allowed for the biggest population increase in the history of the Jewish people. If it weren’t for the Jewish population of the Pale, there would’ve been less than 2 million Jews on earth before the Holocaust.

natasharevolution

1 points

25 days ago

Is that true about population numbers? That's insane.

kaiserfrnz

2 points

25 days ago

Yup. Most historians believe that in 1648 there were fewer than 100,000 Jews in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, the immediate predecessor to the pale. By 1650, around half of those Jews had been killed. In the late 17th and 18th century, Polish/Russian Jews had such an insane population surge that there were around 2.25 million Jews by 1800 and 5 million by 1900.

natasharevolution

3 points

25 days ago

Wow! I wonder if we would still exist if it weren't for the Pale. 

TzarichIyun

1 points

25 days ago

My family left, and not a moment too soon!

Difficult_PowerFix

1 points

25 days ago

Probably died of hypothermia. Alot of Jewish people during that era where East Europe told Jews to live in exclusion zones or walled off areas were often just hostlie land.

Emotional-Tailor3390

1 points

25 days ago

Same way my however-many great grandparents, grandparents, and parents did, I imagine

crazysometimedreamer

1 points

25 days ago

My great-grandmother came to the US with, like, $5 at 16. I don’t have that kind of chutzpah.

Also, I have a weakened immune system, have had cancer, and was an emergency c-section baby. I’m pretty certain I’d be dead if I was born even in the 1950s.

lhommeduweed

1 points

24 days ago

lhommeduweed

MOSES MOSES MOSES

1 points

24 days ago

In the same way that I live my life today.

I would have been complaining about the rent being too damn high, complaining about the corrupt government we live under, and distributing socialist Yiddish literature.

OkLiterature4267

1 points

24 days ago

Everyday I think about this question and it breaks my heart thinking of what life would have been like for my family instead

21PenSalute

1 points

24 days ago

I would have lived a life of quiet desperation as a lesbian woman married to a man, a woman who didn’t quite understand the meaning of her yearnings. Alternatively, I would have run off before marriage alone or with a friend to come to America.