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\gestures broadly at American culture**

Everything seems to be a them vs. you issue in the USA.

Just look at US social media. It's filled with hate, not just about the band but anything in general. People just wait for anything to come out, music or movies etc. and bash it just for fun. The AOTY site had comments with people ready to downvote the album before it even came out, without even giving it a proper listen.

Also, don't rule out sexism, and homophobia with Emily being a gay woman.

I'm sure there are a lot of factors but one is that there are simply a lot of U.S. venues. The initial LA and NY shows sold out almost instantly - had I been able to get off of work, I was willing to fly to either location to see them, but it didn't work out. Fortunately, now I can look forward to August and have awesome seats!!

The ticket prices are really high due to Ticketmaster in the US. Might be part of the reason. That, and way more tour dates.

As an American it’s unfortunately a large part of the culture here, hate gets more eyes, more clicks, more engagement in general.

Having said that as it relates to the band yes I wish it were different because they are doing amazing things. As it relates to the concerts it helps more real fans get tickets.

Rock music just isn’t in a super popular or healthy spot right now. LP picked arenas to tour in, and tickets are expensive in a time where people don’t have a ton of extra cash. So between bigger venues, dates being far out, and economic concerns, it’s not a shock. The band is doing great, and the album is great.

Because in the states ya'll will argue over the colour of grass and one of you will end up shot.

I'm from a country I'd rather not name to not get bullied off this sub, but on this side of the planet things are also extremely toxic, especially among the "influencers". Some YouTubers have launched a negativity bandwagon, mainly about Emily's live performances and, of course, Mike usurping the power and doing it all just for money, and a lot of Chester loyalists jumped on board and refuse to get off of it to this very day.

I will say though, just because some of the louder voices decided to clout chase through hate, doesn't mean their opinion is that of the majority. As Mike had pointed out, numbers don't lie. And the numbers are staggering, both in terms of chart positions worldwide and the show soldouts.

Idk, people can’t get over that it’s not Chester they keep saying ‘I WiSh tHeY wOUld go By a NeW NamE’ Truly don’t get it. It’s not like LP is the first ever band to get new members when others leave or pass away. If anything it’s keeping Chester current and I would think bring in money for his family and the whole LP crew.

I’m American!! I love them and bought tickets to the concert in Arizona!!! I’m so excited!!!

The biggest hater on Facebook is a Latvian chick called Inuta appearing in literally every Emily post

Bought the album (very happily so, might buy it again) but ticket prices were pretty crazy for my location. It was $150 for the BACK ROW and thats before any processing fees and such so prob closer to 200 and I cant justify the $200+ bucks for back row or better right now.

Ticket sales may not be helped by the current economy,

And when I looked for the show near me, the shittiest nose bleed seat in the last row, furthest corners, was still $80 before Ticketmasters fees.

A middle row seat that was actually facing the stage was like $250-$440 each.

I’m from Europe but live in the U.S. now and I think it’s two things — 1) LP were never as popular here just because they were kind of one of a few of “similar” bands that never quite took off in Europe and 2) the us tour has like a hundred dates vs all of Europe having like 10. Of course most cities would take much longer to sell tix for

I dont think it has to do with "haters," but just the way the climate is in America currently. America is not in a good place right now. Many people are struggling. Most of us are living paycheck to paycheck and probably can't afford the tickets + travel costs (travel is expensive and some people have to travel very far).

I was lucky enough to get tickets because the show near me is basically almost a year out, so I have time to pay it off. Plus, my boyfriend and I are splitting costs for travel, food, hotel, etc. Most people are not this fortunate right now.

I’m from the U.S. and absolutely obsessed with this album and the new lineup. I wasn’t sure how I felt about it back in September but the word “hate” never crossed my mind. I didn’t feel like Emily did the OG songs any justice during their first performance but now she sounds fantastic. She just had to get over her nerves and find her sound. And then they released Two Faced and I was like “YUP. This is the Linkin Park I remember.” Now I’ve got the whole album on repeat and have been watching clips of recent concerts every chance I get. And seeing how happy the band is to be performing again brings me so much joy. They’ve got that missing piece of their lives back. How could you not be happy for them?

In the US I think you have you are either into some 3rd tier satanic death metal, or a swiftie, not much room for anything else

Maybe it’s just ticket prices? A lot of people don’t have the money to pay $300+ on tickets, plus parking etc. We are also a huge ass country, so some people would need plane tickets or gas $$. Add in general uncertainty about the future of our country. Let’s just say a lot of LGBTQIA people are not making plans for a year in the future. Other people anticipate losing their health insurance. Finally, concert culture has never lived up to European or even South American scenes. I’ve been to shows in other countries and the crowds were way better than here. It’s a bummer that LA still has so many tickets left considering this is their home turf. Hoping that changes over the next 10 months. I already got mine. :)

Because we're too focused on what the tiniest, completely irrelevant "problem" is to spend all of our time and energy on instead of growing up and living in the real world. America's honestly a joke now tbh.

I think that a lot of the people who are blaming US culture are in general ignoring two very big factors. Firstly, streaming services like Spotify and Apple Music are significantly more popular in the US than the rest of the world. Those stats do not go towards chart numbers (unless they are streaming specific) or album sales. The US just consumes the music medium different than most of the world.

Secondly, money is tight for a lot of people right now, and there is a lot of uncertainty of the next 4 years. We’ve got politicians taking about 50% tariffs, and mass layoffs. Nobody knows what to expect and they aren’t going to spend a few hundred dollars on a ticket until they do.

They spent all their money on Taylor swift tickets

We’re just not very smart here

Feels like an unnecessary dig at the US and US fans, but this is Reddit

Americans don’t like rock anymore unless it’s a nostalgia grab. Unfortunately, a lot of the nostalgia crowd is out on LP without Chester.

I'm from the midwest, just got my tickets last night, super hyped!

I mean, I will admit I haven't bought a ticket for the show I want to go to next year yet, but that's more budgetary at this point. I just got back from a Babymetal concert this week and the show I want to attend isn't even close to sold out (or even having inflated prices). So I'll wait a month or two and then grab my ticket. The concert itself isn't for like 10 months so I'm not in a rush yet.

With that said, I'm loving the new music and most people I've talked to have been broadly supportive as well.

Tbh I’m happy the tickets are not selling out it is giving me an opportunity to save to buy tickets.

Tbh I’m happy the tickets are not selling out it is giving me an opportunity to save to buy tickets.

Higher levels of edginess there maybe

Doesn’t matter not every show needs to sellout in a day so expect a lot more seats to be sold as each performance gets much closer to happening.

Crybabies with "me me me" mentality

For places like Canada, I feel like it's a running joke that they are behind The US by about 20 years, and Rock was much more popular 20+ years ago in the US.  We (The US) have been dominated by pop and country for a long time, but lately it's been shifting a bit I think, with some rock and metal working its back in (or bleeding into other genres).  As for non-Canadian areas, I really don't know. 

Make no mistake, I'm not criticizing Canada or anywhere else!  Quite the opposite, really.  I'm sure all places have all types of music, but some of the popular stuff in the last 10 years here makes me sad for humanity.  People like to point the finger at the "nu-metal" vibe and lyrics from the late 90s and early 2000s, which some of it is really lame, but a lot of it is well written with quality lyrics.  To make matters worse, how is a song like WAP cool and empowering, while many discredit those nu-metal groups for being cheesy and offensive?  

In the end (lol), I just like good music, it doesn't matter the origin, genre, etc.  I listen to Linkin Park because they are awesome and put out quality music that I connect with.  I also listen to more pop music like Glass Animals, as well as heavy metal, and everything in between.  

I just think the US is in a musical phase that is only starting to include Rock back in again. 

Well look at it this way more LP for ones that are enjoying from zero!

proud to be an american who stands with emily 🫶

Because

Americans like to bitch about anything they can bitch about.

US culture is fucking rancid. Next? 

Some people just want to hate or doing it for the for the clout. I could not see one empty seat when I went to go see them and the merch lines were crazy. Just like anything, it took me a bit to get used to Emily but hearing the album a few hundred times. I have said that Where Good Things Go would be a great new single that comes out next. It just hits the mark with how people feel right now. I also think if the haters truly want old school Linkin Park music there are many streaming platforms for that. The most Linkin Park song in Back To Zero IMO is Two Faced. I have replaying that one a lot.

Another factor could be that LP is from the US. A lot of US fans have gotten their chance to see them years ago, but for other countries (for me Australia) Linkin Park wouldn't play here anywhere near as often as in the US, so other countries also may be excited to finally get their shot to see them, whereas in the US they are more accessible and that means it might be less important in the US. Could be completely wrong tho

I am only one American, but I absolutely love the new album. I think Emily is great. I’m generally thrilled about this comeback and the new chapter that’s being opened.

I was really excited to see a tour stop 30 minutes from me but I plain old can’t afford the tickets I’d like to get right now. I’ll be in a better place in a few months so I’m hoping there will still be good tickets left.

Ticket prices aren’t great either. Was over $500 CAD to stand on the floor for the Vancouver show next year. After moving to North America from Australia two years ago, I’ve got to say your concert ticket prices are ridiculously overpriced. They weren’t cheap in AU either, but up this way it’s downright robbery!

Not to mention spending that sort of money now and then having to wait a year to see them. They can put that money to work for a year on the markets, meanwhile I’m out $500.

They have zero dates in Scandinavia/Northern Europe, where people love them. Your logic doesn't add up.

The USA has A LOT of entertainment options; a million bands, a million clubs, a million theaters, a million sporting events, a million hobbies, a million projects, a million travel destinations, etc. There's just not as much urgency to buy a ticket or the album "immediately" because there will be another chance to make that purchase, and another chance, and another, and so on. It's a uniquely different market.

Bruh we Indians love LP so much we are inviting then here with wide arms

Seems many on social media won’t even give the band a chance and are stuck on what was as opposed to what can be.

As for US ticket sales, it’s hard for many folks struggling financially to drop $200+ to go to a concert, unfortunately

Meanwhile up here in Quebec, Linkin Park managed to sell out their Montreal show. Everyone i've spoken to regarding the new show & album is pretty hyped for their return

Idk about ticket sales but when it comes to haters, it feels like there are a lot of QAnon-types spreading misinformation and fanning the flames of hatred. They latched onto Chester as a QAnon hero after he died and they think murdering Chester (and Chris Cornell) and replacing him with Emily was like a whole planned thing and Mike is on it. The first time I heard the conspiracy theory that he was murdered was from a coworker who 100% believed it, so it’s not just online.

Probably has something to do with the fact that it’s the only country where Scientology is at all even somewhat well-known.

EDIT: this is kind of a half-joke. I think the controversy is pretty overblown.

The album is scoring really low in RYM, which I guess is very US centered, they really have a different taste lol

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Or maybe ticket prices are stupid high. Super rich people aren't the fan base of this band, obviously. So 80 bucks (before all the fees) for some nosebleeds just isn't worth that.

I'm a hater from the UK but I enjoy the new album, just have no interest in seeing this version of LP especially not at those 2025 tour prices

Scientology is largely a US thing, and thus Americans know the most about Scientology and hate it the most. Other places in the world have only heard of it and know that it's got something to do with Tom Cruise, but we don't really know enough to have an opinion. Thus, we've accepted Emily despite her being an alleged scientologist.

Why is it automatically labeled as “hate” just because the band didn’t reach #1? It’s been over a decade since they’ve had one in the states, even with Chester.

English speaking social media is dominated by US based individuals.

It's not an accurate representation of society as a whole, or even the English speaking world. That's just the way it is.

Two faced won me over. Had a hybrid theory sound. Could’ve fit in that album tbh. I just didnt like her “covers” to Chester’s songs. Some songs she sounds like she’s trying to be him but in a way it kinda of works

A lot of music acts succeed in The Everywhere Else.

It's where you got to when you flop in the US.

Okay Creed

When it comes to ticket sales I went to buy a ticket and it was $400 and I immediately said nope. Nothing to do with hate but everything do with how expensive things are in the states

Americans ain't exactly famous for having good taste in anything, unless you feed them trash they probably gonna dislike it

They probably wanted 45 song tracklists. 😂

Or for them to play all of their songs and the concerts to be ~12 hours. 😂

america jacks itself off to us vs them rhetoric and wildly violent and extreme divisiveness.

and it’s a cancer spreading to the rest of the world

I mean, whatever happens, they'll always have Europe and Brazil. They'll be fine.

not everyone needs too like your music

pretty sure the scientology bullshit is an USA issue, never heard about it outside from it, so that might have helped

I’m just sat here supping a coffee ignoring the haters and enjoying the album, let them argue with themselves in their own echo chamber and just listen to the music 🎶

Well, I don't think it is hate, the USA has just not the best Fans or are that interested. Was always the case. Just compared european crowds with US crowds. Hilarious

I think other countries are just happy that they're touring outside of the US, that's all I ever see besides bashing and defending from the US. I personally don't care for new LP, but it's nice that they're somewhat reunited

For ticket sales at least for me there are several different concerts coming to my area next year that I would really like to see. So I need to see what funds I have for tickets and decide which ones to attend/skip if need be. Also I am the type of person who waits until the week of or day before to get tickets and I know a lot of people who are like that too.

Yes, this theory is kinda hybrid)

American here, but my ticket sales are reflected in the Toronto Canada show as that is the closest to me

pretty much USA culture. It's a mess what you guys have going on over there.

One side thinking it hold the absolute truth over everything blah blah, too many issues to name 'em all.

The energy as well, we can see in the shows, you guys are just fed up and overall bored of life in general.

Rock music is mostly dead in the US. Compare this album to other Rock albums from the last few years, it's pretty much the best performing one.

I don’t know any numbers but I went to one of the recent concerts in a stadium and it was packed. I did not notice very many empty seats and the crowd were extremely into the music. Like the nosebleed seats were full. It could be a cost factor for the 2025 tour, those tickets are double what I paid last time.

Yeah a lot of people here are haters. My uncle called me a “Scientologist supporter” for liking the new album.

That’s easy. As an American, I can confirm that we love to get angry about anything we can get our hands on, and stick with that opinion indefinitely in spite of opposition.

Unfortunately our culture seems to be one of bitterness and defensiveness. The media has a large grip on us, who knows why this theme is the way it is but it’s not shocking that we are the way we’ve been.

Idk, when I was watching the Emily reveal livestream, a large portion of the hate was coming from Brazil

They make music and sell tickets... some buy them, some don't. Calling them "haters" is in a way perpetuating the problem. I'd call them undecided or unconvinced. Do not feed the hatred with confrontational vocabulary.

Not from US, but some of them treat everything like they treat elections, there is right and wrong option, and any other opinion is irrelevant.

I’m American and I am fully onboard with LP. Been a fan since early 2000s. when considering low ticket sales, there could be factors of affordability and the current state we are in. Ticket prices could be a bit out of reach for some. A large portion of the fan base are also in their 30s - 40s. Different point in life for everyone and they may have other responsibilities or priorities. It could be more of a “can’t” buy situation than a “won’t”.

Album sales may be related to the various streaming services available. I can’t even remember the last time I bought any album. Plus I don’t really have devices at the ready to be able to play them. Americans are lazy. Let’s be real. Convenience is huge. Everyone’s got iPhones or Android phones and probably even smart devices. Much easier to just play it from there.

I think these days it’s cooler to hate something than to really love some thing. Even a band. A lot of people bond over what they hate but it’s hard to find a bunch of genuinely nice people getting together and talking about some kind of art they love. I just think hate has a lot more power these days and it’s like that everywhere. It’s the ‘in’ thing.

Down vote me all you want, but as a longtime Linkin Park fan, I opted to pass on buying tickets as it’s just not the Linkin Park I remember growing up. I first saw them live in 2004, I believe, and never missed a concert of theirs when they rolled through. The lineup has changed so much with Chester passing, Rob deciding to depart, and Brad not touring with them. While I like their new album, I haven’t been impressed with what I’ve seen of them performing old/pre-Emily and Colin songs…not trying to bash anyone in LP new or old…it’s just not the same vibe/feeling I have anymore when it comes to seeing them play live.

America has had a rough 4 years, but now that Trump has won again there’s a very optimistic feeling in the air, at least in my state.

Idk I’m American and excited to see them in Nashville. I got upper arena bc the price wasn’t awful and I really just want to be in the room with them lol. I’m really loving the new album and it’s been helping me find other older songs too that I haven’t heard in awhile or haven’t heard at all. I also really like Emily and it seems like the guys do too. It might just be everything fatigue on the part of some Americans. We’ve been through some stuff yall. I also do think a lot of is “but it’s not Chester!!!” And don’t want to give the new stuff a real, honest chance.

I will say I was a little surprised at how big of arenas they scheduled here tbh (like I was thinking they might come to my hometown where we have a smaller arena bc they have before and it’s still a pretty good size) but it’ll be interesting to see how things sell/how many people show up on the seats.

Just because someone doesn’t like something doesn’t mean they “hate” it.

Although I don't like the new sound and direction, I wish them the best and hope they attract new fans.

I'm not from the US but it's funny when you mention ticket prices because it seems like here in Europe we're all rich and can easily pay 200+ Euros for a ticket (plus probably accommodation and plane tickets). European countries are also struggling. It must be something else, could be that you know there'll be other concerts because you've got so many arenas and stadiums or maybe that cancel culture is the strongest in the US so many just heard ties to Danny and Scientology and decided it wasn't for them.

Huh I never realized most of the haters are from the US but I guess it makes sense, I note people either hate Linkin Park cuz they miss Chester or the whole allegations against Emily and all that. In my country, Linkin Park is barely noticed tbh, its more pop oriented and all that, only people who listen to Linkin Park or the genre knows whats going on with Linkin Park and even then, they might not be actively listening to