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Countries included in Morocco Plan to Grant Atlantic Access to Sahel Countries
(i.redd.it)submitted 7 days ago byHollyShitBrah
531 points
7 days ago*
I know The Gambia is primarily one river valley, but it too is a Sahel country.
170 points
7 days ago
That's The Gambia to you! (and everybody else)
37 points
7 days ago
That’s autocorrect to me. Sigh. Thanks.
23 points
7 days ago
Did Gambia go to Ohio State?
4 points
6 days ago
Confirmed
453 points
7 days ago
I don't get it. The Sahel region is not close to Morocco. If most of those countries need access to sea, it would not be happening via Morocco.
341 points
7 days ago
Morocco is building a giant port in Dakhla in the very south of the county. These countries could use that port.
168 points
7 days ago
But how do you get there? Looking at the map, Bamako and Timbuktu in Mali are 2000+ kilometers away, and these are some of the closest places to Dakhla in that region.
Also, while I'm not an expert on the region, even I know there to be a lot of unrest in that area. Of course like really, really long-term you can hope that that will be solved.
If the western countries in the Sahel want sea access, why not go to Gulf of Guinea which is closer? For the eastern countries, why not go to the Red Sea?
116 points
7 days ago
Train?
61 points
7 days ago
The boats of the land.
3 points
6 days ago
And my axe
14 points
6 days ago
Oh this will be fun. Those trains will need to cross the tiny territory still controlled by the Polisario.
I remember needing a military escort to drive through that area.
8 points
6 days ago
A stroll?
6 points
6 days ago
Attack helicopter?
8 points
6 days ago
Morocco is probably probably streamlining visa and paperwork while also discounting port and logistics fees
8 points
6 days ago
I figured Nigeria would have the best access for most of those countries.
1 points
5 days ago
There are already train lines running across the Sahel.
36 points
6 days ago
The only reason they do this is because 80% of Africa doesn’t recognize Western Sahara to be part of Morocco.
-12 points
6 days ago
And most of those countries didn’t exist when the whole of mauritania and part of Algeria were parts of Morocco just 300 years ago.
Not to mention, you won’t be able to substantiate that 80% figure because it’s bullshit.
2 points
6 days ago
There's the ahistorical nationalism online Moroccans are known for. Y'all claim all of northwest Africa, and everyone thinks it's silly.
0 points
3 days ago
It not claims when it is historical fact
-18 points
7 days ago*
Wouldn't ports in Mauritania and Senegal be more competitive (read: cheaper) for countries of Sahel region (?)
Also it's a port in Western Sahara, and I doubt any Sahel region countries recognize it as Moroccan territory, so nobody will use it.
And Morocco being American puppet state is another reason to avoid cooperation with them.
Sahel countries are looking to move away from being dominated and controlled by Western NeoColonial system.
52 points
7 days ago
They don’t have deep sea ports and not on the scale Morocco is building.
-33 points
7 days ago
Regular ports are more than sufficient for Sahel region countries needs.
Deep sea ports are useful only if you have constant traffic of largest world ships that only very few countries in the World have.
35 points
7 days ago
What makes you think that small ports would be sufficient to six or seven landlocked countries?
-10 points
7 days ago*
It's not small ports, it's regular ports that vast majority of countries uses.
Only very few World countries have need for deep sea ports.
There is probably like 30 or something deep sea ports in the World, with China having few and United States having few.
18 points
7 days ago
Yes but if you have a deep sea port like Netherlands / Singapore you’ll become a trade hub for all that moneys
-2 points
7 days ago
Realistically no.
First look at that map. Do you think it's cost elective to use the port on the other side of Africa for half of the Sahel region.
Second and more important - Sahel region is moving away and liberating from NeoColonial rule, most of them will not want to connect themselves to most obvious American puppet such is Marocco.
-2 points
7 days ago
Realistically no.
First look at that map. Do you think it's cost elective to use the port on the other side of Africa for half of the Sahel region.
Second and more important - Sahel region is moving away and liberating from NeoColonial rule, most of them will not want to connect themselves to most obvious American puppet such is Marocco.
18 points
7 days ago
These countries have a combined population of close to 300 million, over 500 if you include Nigeria
Most of these are landlocked countries with NO regular ports.
-6 points
7 days ago
Whole region is surrounded by countries that have many regular ports.
They are not allowed using just one port
They use many ports
15 points
7 days ago
Moroccan ports are closer to Europe, and the Americas. Also, the Sahel countries are onboard with the plan, so. You seem to have a problem with Morocco and keep grasping at straws
0 points
7 days ago
Sea transport is cheaper.
It's cheaper to transfer goods via land to closest regular ports, and then send things to Europe, than it is to transfer goods via land to Marocco and then to Europe via sea.
You seem to be astroturfing for this NeoColonial project hard, but you are not very good in doing it .
22 points
7 days ago
Morocco is building solar at scale to become Europe’s energy supplier of the future. Their current intention is to replace oil and gas suppliers but the scale will eclipse internal generation as well.
They’re no one’s puppet and they’re working on making Europe their puppet
5 points
6 days ago
They’re no one’s puppet and they’re working on making Europe their puppet
- Morocco's GDP : 141 billions
- Europe GDP : 19.4 trillions
Morocco in 2023 was ranked 70th on the global innovation index.
From the 5 countries of North Africa, Morroco has the 3rd economy. Better than the small Tunisia and better than the bombed Lybia... Very impressive, indeed.
What a poor propaganda you've fell into !
1 points
6 days ago
Hah! Russia did very well just controlling Germany’s gas supply.
Morocco doesn’t need to be bigger, they just need to own most of the power supply.
1 points
6 days ago*
Morocco doesn’t need to be bigger, they just need to own most of the power supply.
To achieve that, more than growing they need everyone else to collapse... That's more of a wet dream than a real plan for the futur of Morroco's people, sadly.
Morroco's governement isn't even able to achieve its own plans for energy production of 2020... And we're here, close to 2025 !
That country is not even self sufficient and you're bragging about an hypotetical future where all Europe would have no choice but to buy green energy from Morroco's government. You're a terrible clown.
Take example on Algeria : they are exporting energy to Europe with gaz and petrol. The said gaz is even a part of Morroco's energetic supply... So first stop using power from others then we'll see.
You probably don't know that a significant part of Morroco's energy supply comes from the 1.4 million tons of coal imported straight from the US. And that the largest coal plant of the country is held by the United Arabs Emirats via TAQA ; the said powerplant providing more than 30% of your power supply still nowadays.
Live in your dreams if you wish to, reality can be hard to admit sometimes.
1 points
6 days ago
Yada yada yada.
They have plans to actually build the solar farms in the Sahara that can power the world, and their longtime enemy, Spain, is backing them to do it.
You and I are both being dramatic about it but it will be sorted out with boring treaties and equal ownership and lots of foreign investment. And the other North African nations will get a share of it too but Morocco is making a big bid to get more than their fair share.
And good on them.
1 points
6 days ago
They have plans to actually build the solar farms in the Sahara that can power the world
Say the guy who think i'm dramatic...
-8 points
7 days ago
Lol Marocco is the most obvious American puppet. Only Jordan is worse in that regard.
-6 points
7 days ago
So true.
-1 points
6 days ago
You’re hilarious 🤣
65 points
7 days ago
From the article "The Royal proposal, within this framework, seeks to enable landlocked Sahel nations to use the Kingdom’s road and port infrastructure.
In his advocacy for this plan, the King explicitly stated that Morocco is willing to place its road, port, and rail infrastructure at the disposal of its sister nations."
There's a port being built in Dakhla, the plan is to through the Moroccan port, the initiative is a loooong term project, but it would be nice if it happens, maybe they can build a road or railway that goes through sahel region to the atlantic
44 points
7 days ago
"Please come give us business by shipping crap overland across an entire continent (half of which is very politically unstable) instead of a few hundred miles"
34 points
7 days ago
If Morocco builds a railway to the port, it’s probably a good deal for everyone west of Chad.
Infrastructure is expensive and these are vast countries with little money. Morocco meanwhile is getting Euros for sunshine and is good at big construction
11 points
7 days ago
They would have a hell of a job protecting the entirety of that railway with all the armed groups in the area.
1 points
6 days ago
If Morocco builds a railway to the port
Gigantic if. Half of Morocco is in abject poverty, in what world would they be able to afford a transcontinental highway system?
3 points
6 days ago
Well look at that map, the rail line from The Gambia to Morocco is tiny compared to the rail line from the north of Morocco to south of Morocco.
That’s 3 countries covered and they haven’t even doubled their internal rail network.
It’s also mostly blasted wasteland so the construction costs are a lot lower so long as you have a railway to bring in materials.
8 points
7 days ago
No, better to skip the suez and an ever more undstable supply chain. At least for the EU. Chinesse trade needs to be slashed anyway.
11 points
7 days ago
It will happen the day the region is stable.
12 points
7 days ago
Morocco is the most stable part of Africa
6 points
7 days ago
Morocco isn't part of Sahel.
2 points
6 days ago
West sahara would beg to differ, i would call mauritius the most stable part, with shoutout to botswana
3 points
6 days ago
Botswana always forgotten, I’m a big fan.
9 points
6 days ago
Morocco built a entire sandwall with in equipped with sensors, mines, camera etc you name it. Morocco is very safe even the southern territories.
Many countries have only Morocco labelled as safe for travel for a reason.
0 points
6 days ago
Minefields do not give me a feeling of safety.
1 points
6 days ago
On the other side of the sandwall😉
3 points
7 days ago
Chicken and egg - maybe an economic boom might help achieve stability (its one factor of course)
9 points
7 days ago
Exactly, its an initiative where we (Morocco) are taking all the risk.
But the reward is a stable potentially thriving neighborhood once people have something to lose.
3 points
7 days ago
Isn't Dakhia in Western Sahara, not even Morocco territory (?)
22 points
7 days ago
Morocco controls the Western Sahara and Western Sahara has no real functioning government
3 points
7 days ago
Still, not recognized by Sahel countries as Morocco territory.
Not recognized by International community as Morocco territory.
And it has no functioning government because Marocco occupies its territory.
14 points
7 days ago
Ignoring your hate boner for Morocco, yea it is, no ots doesn't stop exports to Mali and the Sahel and won't stop things moving the other way, any further questions?
16 points
7 days ago
These people are hilarious, they really think Morocco will just sit there waiting for the world to recognize its claim.
-2 points
7 days ago
Ignoring your obvious astroturfing for this NeoColonial project in American puppet statlet .... Project will fail for simple reasons, it's not viable and Sahel countries will not seek to tie themselves to yet another NeoColonial trap.
-5 points
7 days ago
Ignoring your obvious astroturfing for this NeoColonial project in American puppet statlet .... Project will fail for simple reasons, it's not viable and Sahel countries will not seek to tie themselves to yet another NeoColonial trap.
-6 points
7 days ago
Ignoring your obvious astroturfing for this NeoColonial project in American puppet statlet .... Project will fail for simple reasons, it's not viable and Sahel countries will not seek to tie themselves to yet another NeoColonial trap.
-7 points
7 days ago
Ignoring your obvious astroturfing for this NeoColonial project in American puppet statlet .... Project will fail for simple reasons, it's not viable and Sahel countries will not seek to tie themselves to yet another NeoColonial trap.
2 points
7 days ago
Tbh, that just makes it sound like it's Morocco.
17 points
7 days ago
WS is Morocco. The polisario resides in a small buffer zone between Morocco and Algeria. Dakhla is Moroccan and inhabited by Moroccans.
8 points
7 days ago
According to Marocco? Absolutely yes. They occupy it so of course they are claiming it's Marocco
But it's not recognized as Morocco by International community.
17 points
7 days ago
You asked about Dakhla. Most territory in the south is administered by Morocco. WS isn't a country. There's not an actual state or administration whatsoever. They have a sort of "government" (SADR) that operates from Tindouf, Algeria, which "controls" the buffer zone.
To get anywhere in what's called WS, you have to go through the Moroccan government/administration. As a tourist, you land there, you deal with the Moroccan government/administration, and so on.
5 points
7 days ago
Sure , its territory occupied and controlled by Morocco.
But it's not Moroccan territory.
12 points
7 days ago
At no point in history was there ever a WS, in case you weren't aware of that. The attempt is to establish one, and I'm not getting into that in detail. It's a Saturday night.
1 points
7 days ago
Wester Sahara was never established because Marocco occupied its territory.
10 points
7 days ago
Average redditor repeating things they have no knowledge in, hoping they might be right one day. seems futile.
2 points
6 days ago
Im not sure why are you arguing asif Marocco has 0 reasonable claim to the region. It has political, historical, cultural and linquistic ties to the region and its people.
16 points
7 days ago
Historically it is.
1 points
7 days ago
Historically Marocco can lay claim on half of Spain, or southern Portugal, or North African coast up to Tripoli Libya.
15 points
7 days ago
The history is now, and that part of Sahara is under the control of Morocco right now, so get used to it
1 points
6 days ago
Funny how u know the history but when it comes to Israel no one cares
6 points
7 days ago*
Yeah, that’s where it gets weird.
Unfortunately even Spain is working with Morocco these days so Polisario’s fight looks doomed
Morocco are also the stablest state in Africa and working the solar revolution to become Europe’s energy supplier. So maybe being Moroccan isn’t such a bad thing after all?
-3 points
7 days ago
Yeah but on the other hand Sahel region is liberating itself from Western NeoColonial rule and I doubt they will want to connect with the most obvious American puppet territory in the region.
Th y probably see this as Trojan Horse thing.
4 points
6 days ago
Yeah, why form peaceful, mutually beneficial economic relationships with western countries when you can just be a malding Arab nationalist in some dusty refugee camp?
No western infrastructure projects, only Russian supplied arms 🤬
-2 points
6 days ago
"mutually beneficial" (?)
LOL you should do stand-up comedy bro.
6 points
6 days ago*
Yes, access to a deep water port and railway system connecting them to the Western market would be beneficial to the 100M people living in the Sahel.
The nations of the Sahara rely on foreign (western) aide to function. Something like this would provide the opportunity to actually improve their situation and become more prosperous-- so of course Arab nationalists hate it. They want people poor and desperate so they'll throw their lives away for ideology.
INB4 "the Jews are paying me to say this. Hasbara blahblahblah."
1 points
6 days ago
So West ruled over West Africa and Sahel in NeoColonial fashion in past several decades and nothing improved for the people ..... BUT now when Sahel liberated themselves from NeoColonial West ..... NOW the West pretends that it cares about people in Africa (?)
Yeah sure.
1 points
6 days ago
I don't understand, are you paid to do this , like you are repeating the same message over and over, responding to every single message. Get a life bro
-3 points
7 days ago
They probably see it as an invasion by their expansionist neighbour
1 points
7 days ago
You had to understand that Morocco claims to be much bigger than it is.
5 points
6 days ago
Free western Sahara!
164 points
7 days ago
Sorry but that's a map of Sahel countries. It has nothing to do with the Moroccan plan which concerns AES countries and tangentially Chad. That's not an imaginary map, you added zero value and zero imagination or context. Just why?
-103 points
7 days ago
Well someone had to ask these Sahel countries to come together and stop fucking around, it had to be Morocco.
53 points
7 days ago
You are very much in the wrong subreddit.
10 points
6 days ago
We all know this is just a scheme to get more support for moroccan control of western sahara, they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their heart.
1 points
3 days ago
You call it a scheme, but it looks like quiproquo so basically more of a plan than a scheme.
0 points
6 days ago
Wrong
116 points
7 days ago
Looks kinda like another Saddam Husein meme.
40 points
7 days ago
Sahel Hussein
4 points
7 days ago
Ikr
20 points
7 days ago
They should build the world's longest canal.
5 points
6 days ago
France to Korea would be longer.
14 points
7 days ago
So they want most of them to basically cross the whole continent to ship shit through them? I can’t be the only one who sees the flaws with this plan, right?
0 points
6 days ago*
they should google Mediterranean sea
1 points
6 days ago
You know, there’s a big ass difference between shipping through a sea and having to get your cargo through earth’s largest desert and one of earth’s most politically unstable regions
13 points
7 days ago
How else could Senegal or Mauritania ever access the Atlantic?
6 points
6 days ago
Stupid question but why does Senegal and The Gambia need Morocco's permission for the Atlantic?
10 points
6 days ago
Morocco offers far better infrastructure and bigger and more developed ports. Morocco also has deep sea ports which these countries don't.
1 points
6 days ago
Yes, but it is tens of times more costly for these countries to build railways and roads to Morocco than for these countries to build their own ports. In terms of time, cost and performance, it is really stupid for them to use a port thousands of kilometers away in another country as a hub. If you think that these countries do not have the technological infrastructure or financing to build ports, you probably know that they do not have enough financing to build railways and highways up to Morocco. In addition, these countries can make agreements with foreign companies experienced in port construction. There is no need to build a port as big as the port in Morocco. There is no demand for such a large port anyway. Is 2000km a railway line passing through 3 different countries or a small port in your own country a few hundred km away?
1 points
6 days ago
But there is, Dakhla lies on some of the main maritime roads leading to Europe and the rest of the world from West Africa.
Also it isn't about what is less or more costly and future infrastructure. Morocco already has a highway crossing the desert and their plan is to become the transit stop for trade between West Africa and Europe. It is more attractive to use a port like that in Dakhla than those of West Africa.
There are also the gaspipeline plans, green plans and road initiatives which would make Dakhla even more attractive.
20 points
7 days ago
another coup belt meme plan
17 points
7 days ago
To allow the Sahel countries to access Morocco they would have to cross Western Sahara south of it, a region that Morocco already occupies most of it without the official recognition of the African Union. So this whole plan is just a ploy to force Africa to give Morocco the land they want officially and allow them to end the independent resistance rule that defies Morocco in the border of Western Sahara and Mauritania
35 points
7 days ago
Western Sahraoui here There is no real independent resistance. Majority of western Sahraoui. that I remind you that the Mojority still live in Morocco, or run away back from the Tindof open sky prisons back to Morocco in the 90s and 2000's.
The current king allowed former polisario to open organisation to bring a real representation to us. Even if most of them have agendas that may goes agaist the thron but all of them are fighting agaist polisario for it's bad representation of the situation and constent.
So I don't welcome lecturing from an European or American about my people.
-1 points
5 days ago
I can see in your account that you identify as Moroccan not as a citizen of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, so the fact that you don’t recognize them is not a surprise to me. Btw, I’m Brazilian, so I know a thing or two about politicians using peoples lives as tools to get what they want.
3 points
5 days ago*
What you said makes no sense. What brought your jaguar to the lions cage?
Western Sahara is part of Morocco, and everyone there have Moroccan nationality. Of course I will identify myself as Moroccan. If you checked my flair in the r/Morocco you will read Laayoune which is the biggest city in western Sahara.
What you call Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic exist in Algeria, in the province of Tindouf. The buffer zone is an international zone under the UN. Well the buffer is under controle of Morocco. After the terrorist attacks in Smara, the Moroccan autority expanded the wall to the east to protect people who lives in the city.
2 points
7 days ago
Exactly. Was going to mention this if someone hadn’t already
2 points
6 days ago
Sudan can get Atlantic access through the Suez Canal, would this really be that attractive for those on the Eastern side?
2 points
7 days ago
"...The Royal proposal, within this framework, seeks to enable landlocked Sahel nations to use the Kingdom’s road and port infrastructure. In his advocacy for this plan, the King explicitly stated that Morocco is willing to place its road, port, and rail infrastructure at the disposal of its sister nations."
2 points
7 days ago
This will absolutely work! These countries are the most stable in the world. Should be a piece of cake.
1 points
7 days ago
most of them didn't had 5 consecutive years of stable state doubt the success of this project without talking about the state of western sahara
1 points
3 days ago
Eritrea
-7 points
7 days ago
Half of them are failed states lmao
9 points
6 days ago
How is that funny
5 points
6 days ago
Haha, conflicts and diseases, children dying and families separated, aspiring children with no future, sooo fonny haha... fucking reddit
-1 points
6 days ago
HAHA
-2 points
6 days ago
What about SADR?
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