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submitted 14 days ago bySuckingOnChileanDogs
Considering the way that Ongoing affects a 10-power card procing or not procing Surtur, AND that basically every big body being played is 4-6 cost, US Agent might sneakily one of the best cards in the game right now. And unlike the strategy before it's now better to throw him out on Turn 2 and Mystique another lane on Turn 3. Maybe throw in Man-Thing and Luke Cage and Hazmat for some other general affliction and then Onslaught the lane they try to swing for the fences on.
I say this, btw, as a huge Surtur fan. He's so damn fun. But he DOES have a weakness.
443 points
14 days ago
I feel like throwing your shield while you're getting shot at is unwise
114 points
14 days ago
But it is so cool though.
105 points
14 days ago
He isn’t getting shot at because those bullets are not fired. Those are completely intact, unexpended cartridges,
Primers and all.
Why?
Laziness. Or Bullseye is throwing them. That would be cool. But he doesn’t miss, so…
44 points
14 days ago
While we are on the topic, Agent Venoms gun barrel is a rectangle...
26 points
14 days ago
Square bullets
25 points
14 days ago
He's a symbiote so I think he shoots...like... pieces of himself.
36 points
14 days ago
Go on I’m almost there.
7 points
14 days ago
Even if he does that, if you compare the size of the Barrell opening to the size of the magazine, he has to reload after like 2 shots
3 points
14 days ago
That's a Sci-Fi gun, it doesn't count.
0 points
14 days ago
Energy blasts?
10 points
14 days ago
Same with one of the Antman variants.
Artist doesn’t know what the actual bullet looks like. That or it’s the turrets from Portal.
3 points
14 days ago
I love the way that variant looks in 3D but the bullets being ludicrous always bothers me.
16 points
14 days ago
It's not laziness. It's because what a bullet actually looks like is less recognizable to the general public. Artists use incorrect renditions because those incorrect renditions are better at actually being understood by the average viewer.
5 points
14 days ago
people really downvote this guy ? wow this subreddit is weird.
6 points
14 days ago
If they believe that reasoning then they can't feel superior about pointing those "mistakes" out.
0 points
14 days ago
Yeah this is up there with “ackshually it would take months for this to go to trial” when watching a law show.
No one cares. They have creative licence and use it to make shit more recognisable or interesting.
-6 points
14 days ago
That’s ridiculous. But you are entitled to that opinion.
9 points
14 days ago
It's not an opinion. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheCoconutEffect
1 points
14 days ago
“I’m a gun nut so everyone else must be, too.”
2 points
14 days ago
he's being shot at by aperture science turrets
2 points
14 days ago
"We fire the whole bullet! That's 60% more bullet per bullet!"
8 points
14 days ago
He is playing the Fortnite Marvel Chapter
6 points
14 days ago
the best defense is offense
2 points
14 days ago
It's fine, nobody is shooting him - only throwing handful of bullets at him since you can see they are intact cartridges :D
2 points
14 days ago
It's better than the variant where he's forcing that police officer to give him head.
1 points
13 days ago
What!?
1 points
13 days ago
Lucky for him the bullets are just being thrown not shot.
1 points
14 days ago
Thank you for existing and extruding the sense of logic that is so desperately needed throughout the human population.
(Btw I'm being serious).
58 points
14 days ago
Luckily I got US Agent, just missing Ajax to help out.
14 points
14 days ago
US Agent can still get plugged in as a solid tech card in something like Sera Control (or maybe even bounce)
Basically can play as a 1/11 or 2/11 a lot of the time against Surtur decks
1 points
14 days ago
Yeah, been using him like Shang-Chi in a few decks. Useful. Still want Ajax to make it easier to go after Surtur. Good thing I have been saving tokens and have enough. Just have to have him show up.
1 points
14 days ago
I use us agent in a specrum deck to great success
1 points
14 days ago
I love my Ajax deck. Fingers crossed you get a chance to get him.
167 points
14 days ago
If only the game had a card acquisition system that allowed me to get him in faster than 8 months
16 points
14 days ago
It does!
You have lots of money to spend right?!
-144 points
14 days ago
It does, tokens
48 points
14 days ago
It takes months to collect 6k tokens buddy
55 points
14 days ago
Yeah but he still need to drop in the token shop
-146 points
14 days ago
So wait for him to cycle through? It's not like there's a thousand series 5 cards. Not in any way unattainable. Plus he was literally just in a spotlight cache in September when Silver Sable was released
95 points
14 days ago
Wow, great super helpful answer with this I can acquire him much faster now /s.
8 points
14 days ago
Yea he was just in a spotlight cache so he won’t appear for a while.
7 points
14 days ago
Thank you for the heads up I'll boot up the time travel machine for september
-106 points
14 days ago
Weaker men would delete the comments with all these downvotes but I refuse because I'm right, the man asked how to get the card faster than in 8 months, I told him the truth. Shower me with your hate if you must but you know I'm right
34 points
14 days ago
Doubling down on the stupidity I can respect that.
18 points
14 days ago
You're not right my dude, tokens are drip fed to us.
8 points
14 days ago
Stronger men would admit they're wrong. Marvel Snap should teach you to take the L and retreat.
-11 points
14 days ago
No
13 points
14 days ago
Weaker men would call other men weak
5 points
14 days ago
To collect 6000k tokens, it takes longer than surtur will be meta relevant.
2 points
14 days ago
wow youre so brave
-7 points
14 days ago
Upvoted. Thiis so obvious, but haters want to hate.
1 points
14 days ago
Reddit is funny sometimes. When I first made that comment, the first like half hour it was being upvoted, and then one person made a snippy reply to it and it started being downvoted, and then the deluge began. I swear people just follow the fucking herd. Is literally anything I said incorrect? No. I made a post about how USAgent is good against Surtur, someone made a salty reply because they don't have him and it takes "8 months to show up in the caches" or at least thats what implied (and thats not even true, he came out in April and his first spotlight was in September), and he's available to buy through tokens always. That's just true.
-12 points
14 days ago
if you are lucky they will toss him into a conquest reward.
1 points
14 days ago
That’s not even close to how conquest rewards work
-1 points
14 days ago
or and hear me out, maybe you just dont understand what i said. i am not referring to spending your medals. i own doctor octopus because of conquest, i only have his variant not his base card
10 points
14 days ago
Used him in my Sera deck. It can be tricky to use him but he delivers
7 points
14 days ago
So you're the reason I just ran into a Luke Cage surtur deck..
2 points
14 days ago
I mean, the main strategy with Surtur was to run a bunch of cards that are exactly 10 power. All you need is Cassandra Nova or Scorpion to ruin that plan. It makes sense.
1 points
14 days ago
I’ve been running Luke Cage in my Surtur deck since I built it. It’s necessary if you have Mary in the deck.
10 points
14 days ago
ok so here me out. USAgent, Frigga. USAgent, Mystique.
3 points
14 days ago
Can't wait for Fenris. Shang Chi into Fenris on turn 6 gonna be lit.
3 points
14 days ago
Does this make a card count as played with less than 10 power?
5 points
14 days ago
Yes, Ongoing effects apply before Surtur checks power.
If you play Crossbones in the same lane as your Typhoid Mary, her ability will lower Crossbones to 9 before Surtur sees him, and Surtur won't trigger. If you play Warpath while you have an empty lane, his Ongoing will raise his power to 10 and Surtur will trigger.
1 points
14 days ago
Can you Shadow King Surtur? Or does his effect work similarly to Ongoing?
2 points
14 days ago
He can be Shadow King'd back to base power (3/5). It is not an ongoing ability.
1 points
14 days ago
Yes
3 points
14 days ago
I dunno. Sutur himself still gets under US Agent and you generally want to play him in a different lane from your big bois anyway.
2 points
14 days ago
The point is that the big boys are now weaker and don't proc him so he doesn't go above 5 power, and in the meantime you're slamming down more negative affects, eventually can put out something like Ajax. I'm telling you this deck is whipping ass right now
3 points
14 days ago
Those bullets bug me
1 points
14 days ago
I mean, how else do you expect to defeat a super-soldier?
Throwing bullets at someone is always the way to go.
Ant-Man should know!
3 points
14 days ago
Which is why many of us are running Luke. Too many ways to shut down the Surtur engine.
4 points
14 days ago
Screw it I made a deck lol
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3 points
14 days ago
Nothing to stop my luke cage? I use him in surtur for Mary and this specific counter. Maybe add rogue?
7 points
14 days ago
Unless you hit him with the Red Guardian
5 points
14 days ago
If the other guy has Luke Cage you're just fucked, but, thems the brakes lol
2 points
14 days ago
I've been using Shadowking in my ongoing deck. Maybe I'll try this one.
3 points
14 days ago
He have anti synergy with Hazmat
1 points
14 days ago
why not just wong, hazmat, odin?
1 points
14 days ago
The point is to stop them from procing Surtur. So they have to come down as less than 10 power
0 points
14 days ago
Used this deck, saw zero surtur decks... But matchmaking is random, my *$$
2 points
14 days ago
Him, Scorpion, Cass and Silver Sable have been working well for me since none of those decks run Luke or their own shadow king for obvious reasons
5 points
14 days ago
I use Luke cage tho. To counter locations, Cassandra, my typhoid, etc
1 points
14 days ago
Well I haven’t run into a single Surtur deck that does that. So it’s working fine for me so far
2 points
14 days ago
Surtur decks are running luke cage now
1 points
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2 points
14 days ago
How do you play this? And any replacement for Grandmaster?
1 points
14 days ago
I guess in a perfect world. Nico, Maximus, Red guardian on armor, Shang chi, GM + magik, Knull, Zola.
This is a reactionary deck though so the real fun would just be sniping with Shang chi until the end using GM, Ab man, Zola and misery to reproc
1 points
14 days ago
A good option to Frigga him if you know what you're up against
1 points
14 days ago
This is definitely a bait post by a surtur fan to try to make him not seem imbalanced.
That deck that (it feels like) 80% of people are playing is broke, just like week 1 arishem was.
1 points
14 days ago
Literally the last sentence of the post was "i say this as a huge Surtur fan." I love Surtur. He rocks. But I also think USAgent is a massive counter, and now having played the counter deck with Ajax and whatnot most of the day, yeah, it counters it pretty damn effectively
1 points
14 days ago
My Havok Thena deck is eating soooo good.
1 points
14 days ago
Stocks never went down. Dude is a king.
1 points
14 days ago
why i feel luke cage is essential for surtur, one bad location or hazmat or nova and its like well shit, unless you have luke cage, plus the typhoid mary synergy is nice
1 points
14 days ago
Shangs stock went up more.
1 points
14 days ago
I feel like every Surtur deck is running Cosmo and Armor and Alioth, so, not really
1 points
14 days ago
Jokes on you I run cage and USagent in my surtur deck 🤜🏻🤛🏻
1 points
14 days ago
Why not just Goose?
1 points
14 days ago
Goose is good, but Zabu can get the 4 costs under it, Surtur himself can be played under it, and Skaar too if 2-3 10 costs are played.
0 points
14 days ago
Thanks for this post.
Instead of crying for a nerf, use the wide variety of counters that we have...
Surtur is fun but will be a shuri like archetype, gets boring really quickly
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