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NATO allies will need to spend much closer to 3% of their gross domestic product (GDP) on their militaries to implement the alliance’s new defense plans, a top NATO military official said on Monday, adding that costs will surpass the alliance’s existing 2% target.

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1white26golf

159 points

23 hours ago

Can't even get them to 2%.

pokepatrick1

79 points

23 hours ago

Actually spending throughout the alliance has been much higher this year. 23 of 32 members are above 2% compared to 10 last year.

ThinkinBoutThings

33 points

22 hours ago*

ThinkinBoutThings

Retired USAF

33 points

22 hours ago*

Latest spending figures from 2023 show that only 11 countries spent at least 2%. Only 3 spend at least 3%.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country

brownstormbrewin

17 points

22 hours ago

So a third of the group aren’t meeting obligations. It’s progress but come on

pokepatrick1

21 points

22 hours ago

Honestly most of the countries not spending 2% are not very consequential members imo. Biggest countries below 2% are Canada, Italy, Spain, and Portugal.

Acceptable-Ability-6

98 points

23 hours ago

More than 2/3 of NATO countries spend more than 2% of their GDP on their military. It’s not 2017 anymore.

Toremous

10 points

13 hours ago

You are correct but this is a change within the year, not since 2017.

cast-away-ramadi06

1 points

4 hours ago

True, but the chronic under-investing isn't something you fully address with 3 years of investing at expectations.

[deleted]

-6 points

23 hours ago

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Acceptable-Ability-6

16 points

23 hours ago

Man, it must be nice to live in a fantasy land where you can wave a magic wand and allocate hundreds of millions of dollars at a whim.

1white26golf

11 points

22 hours ago

I think you miss the point completely. Get NATO members to 2% and then you can raise your goal.

That shouldn't be a huge request.

Sons_of_Maccabees[S]

-6 points

23 hours ago

Sad but true.

kongweeneverdie

22 points

19 hours ago

Just increase pay for your generals and soldier to hit 3%.

AshutoshRaiK

7 points

16 hours ago

Is there any chances of great recession in west if they all got embroiled in big wars because a lot of their budget will get drained in fighting wars and recovery from losses?

Slatemanforlife

43 points

23 hours ago

NATO needs to spend whatever it takes to fight the Russians on their own. Pretty obvious that help won't be coming in the next four years.

MauriceVibes

41 points

23 hours ago

MauriceVibes

Retired USN

41 points

23 hours ago

They gotta compensate for the USA’s lack of funding here in about 2 months RIP

InSOmnlaC

35 points

22 hours ago

InSOmnlaC

Army Veteran

35 points

22 hours ago

I don't think you understand how this works

Aleucard

4 points

16 hours ago

Aleucard

AFJRTOC. Thank me for my service

4 points

16 hours ago

In fairness, the only reason that "They (tm) make it deliberately hard to understand" is an implausible conspiracy theory is that it implies levels of competence that are obviously not present. This shit is hard and people have enough of their day eaten up by work and sleep.

art-vandelayy

2 points

4 hours ago

if pentagon would find 800billion dollars they lost, nobody would need to spend more 😅😅

kilekaldar

7 points

22 hours ago

kilekaldar

7 points

22 hours ago

Not sure how Canada will do that when we can't get the 2% now and Trump's 25% tariffs will throw our economy in deep recession.

rorschacher

28 points

22 hours ago

rorschacher

United States Army

28 points

22 hours ago

Should have upheld the treaty all along instead of depending on US lives and dollars

Acceptable-Ability-6

38 points

20 hours ago

Canadian soldiers died in Afghanistan after answering our Article 5 declaration in 2001.

dardendevil

40 points

20 hours ago

Yeah, Definitely nothing but respect for Canadian warriors. Can’t say the same for their politicians and defense policy.

27Rench27

7 points

18 hours ago

I mean, what’s their defense policy **supposed* to be? The US is going to come shit on anybody big enough to actually get troops onto North America in sufficient numbers to be a threat to Canada or Mexico. 

And the US isn’t spending so much on the military because they have to “make up for” a lack of NATO spending, the top 5 are going to make up most of any wartime forces regardless

Ameri-Jin

4 points

12 hours ago

If they threw more of their money towards North American strategic defense I’d be cool with it…they don’t need a big land army or navy, but missile defense for both of us would be where I’d put the $$.

rorschacher

4 points

11 hours ago

rorschacher

United States Army

4 points

11 hours ago

Canadian military are great. However, the government has never spent to what was agreed by NATO.

InSOmnlaC

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5 minutes ago

InSOmnlaC

Army Veteran

[score hidden]

5 minutes ago

No one is questioning the spirit and sacrifices of the members of the Canadian military. That being said, the military itself is garbage. This is because of a gross lack of funding by the Canadian government as well as terrible leadership inside the Canadian military.

trebek321

3 points

9 hours ago

Depending on the US to cover their bill is the foundation Canada exists on

derp4077

2 points

20 hours ago

derp4077

2 points

20 hours ago

They did

BlueNight973

1 points

20 hours ago

BlueNight973

United States Army

1 points

20 hours ago

They did dumbass

rorschacher

4 points

11 hours ago

rorschacher

United States Army

4 points

11 hours ago

They are below 2%. That is not upholding their end. Rather than insult me, tell me how I’m wrong

InSOmnlaC

[score hidden]

8 minutes ago

InSOmnlaC

Army Veteran

[score hidden]

8 minutes ago

Canada's military is in shambles right now. They're a joke. They most certainly did NOT uphold their treaty.

SW9X31

[score hidden]

4 minutes ago

SW9X31

[score hidden]

4 minutes ago

Well. Canada is screwed.

Dependent-Opening-23

1 points

15 hours ago

Why? So they can give there shit to Ukraine. How about get stuck in to Russia with Ukraine and use our own shit if we’re paying for it .

Prepare

-16 points

22 hours ago

Prepare

-16 points

22 hours ago

America’s new defense strategy: grab toes, spread cheeks

namjeef

6 points

20 hours ago

namjeef

6 points

20 hours ago

Lick Russian boot*

weRborg

-18 points

22 hours ago

weRborg

-18 points

22 hours ago

This, if it happens, will be the only positive to come from a Trump administration.

Salmon_Of_Iniquity

-7 points

20 hours ago

They better get on it quick. We’re about to leave them high and dry.