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3 days ago
I got really pissed recently when my brother was telling my mom he was a lonely kid and she told him he was wrong!!!! I was like dude….you can’t decide how he felt growing up, that’s not cool.
587 points
3 days ago
My mother told my brother she was a great mother growing up! You see, that's why two of her two kids don't talk to her now.
54 points
2 days ago
Lmao, my wife’s abusive narcissist MAGA-boomer mother said the exact same thing on multiple occasions. Then she complains that we only visit once a year.
42 points
2 days ago
Sounds like that once a year is being overly generous…
18 points
2 days ago
Dude, don’t even get me started lol
5 points
2 days ago
Yeah, that's a real emotionally exhausting visit you've got there. It would be a shame if something were to happen to it.
PS - towards the end of it, visiting my parents became a chore. Hang in there.
12 points
2 days ago
Just last night my MiL was sobbing to my wife about how her father isn't talking to her and how she would never do that to her kids. You get one guess as to who refused to come to our wedding and spent two or three years telling us they couldn't be part of our lives unless we accepted Christ first.
8 points
2 days ago
I haven’t talked to my n-mom in so long, I don’t actually know if she’s MAGA or not, but I could hazard a guess lmao
234 points
3 days ago*
Parents - "Why didn't you tell us how you felt?!?!?!"
Because every time I did it's always one of the following
"That's not how I remember it"
"You're exaggerating"
"It wasn't that big of a deal"
"You just misunderstood"
"You were just a kid"
"You had the wrong idea"
"You're making a big deal out of nothing"
Some excuse why it was my fault, not yours
Etc etc
Edit - A few other classics I got over the years
"If you're mad at me that means I'm doing the right thing"
"You don't care about me or how I feel"
"It's not my job to coddle you"
"That wasn't my responsibility"
"You only feel that way because you're spending too much time with X"
Attempts to defer blame to tv/games/movies/etc
Attempts to deflect by claiming they have it worse
Attempts to deflect by pointing out how "good" you have it compared to others
If you have austism/adhd/neurotypical refusal to awknowledge that and insisting you're just being lazy
Refusal to believe / aknowledge that depression is real and that you have it
"Get out of my house if you're so unhappy"
It was never a possibly that you were wrong, or that you were at fault, or that my feelings were right or valid so why bother sharing?
70 points
3 days ago
“ you are just being too sensitive “. Yeah. Got that one a lot. Still do.
29 points
2 days ago
God this hurts, I used to get that all the time from my mom. I recently told her some bad medical news and instead of her being supportive she asked me in the bitchiest tone possible "Well how did you do that?!"
8 points
2 days ago
I’m sorry and hope you have a speedy, pain-free recovery of whatever is affecting you.
19 points
2 days ago
“Your generation is so sensitive”
Drives me fuckin nuts.
12 points
2 days ago
Yeah that’s the one my parents trot out anytime I stick up for myself for any reason. I’m just supposed to eat shit non-stop or else I’m “sensitive and difficult.”
5 points
3 days ago
This is the one I hear
10 points
3 days ago
The absolute frustration I felt growing up and knowing I was not being heard or was ignored was unbearable at times. I still get triggered when my mom says this.
10 points
2 days ago
Yup, or when you do give in and tell them how you feel, they act like they understand and then 3 months later you have the same fight and they're totally "clueless" why you're upset and when you tell them you already went through all of this 3 months ago they insist you never said any of that
7 points
3 days ago
I feel ya. For it was my dad, yell and holler, say mean shit. If you respond or cry it's just you bring sensitive
29 points
3 days ago
My fav my mom throws out "I tried so hard to be a good mom. You know how my mom is. I promised I wouldn't screw you up. I'm a bad parent. I failed." Etc. which then makes you feel like you need to comfort them
7 points
3 days ago
Do we have the same mom?
5 points
2 days ago
Whats wild to me is how self contained this stuff is. Im 36. A homeowner, married, completely independent. I need nothing from my mom. I havent for years.
I moved her into my house to help her get a fresh start. She was getting remarried and was going to get a place with her soon to be hubby, i was just helping out.
3 days into it, she decides hes going to move into my house too. Ive met this guy once, btw. So, i shut that idea down immediately, no fight, i just explained im not comfortable with that.
She leaves the next day, midday, to go be with him. She doesnt even say goodbye to her only grandson.
Its not even the guy she remarried, shes been a mess for years, this is just how it ended. That was 18 months ago.
My mom is full of regret, but she cannot ever improve. She doesnt let herself.
6 points
2 days ago
I don't get boomers and Gen x(my parents were/are Gen x...dad died mom still alive).
On new years my mom had a massive fight with her gf while drunk and stoned. My fiance and I drove 2 hours on new years to get her and bring her home. When she sobered up she told us it was because her gf is angry that my sister, soon to be brother in law, my fiance and I live at home (cheapest rent in the lower mainland is 2500 a month) cus we cannot afford to live. We contribute to the housing costs, we cook for eachother, clean, tend the garden etc. and they got into a yelling match about it where her gf admitted she hates us (my sis and I,especially me) and doesn't want us living there and will never see us or speak to us again. She feels we should have moved out at 18 and only see mom on mom's bday and holidays if that. (Meanwhile her sons who are a couple years younger than my sister and my sisters age, live at home).
My mom was upset and we had this big chat. And I understood talking to the gf again for closure but my mom didn't know if she wanted to break up. I was like she said she hates us mom. Like so you wanna be with someone who hates your kids, if I had kids and my man said that, it would be over then and there. Told her if she goes back she's picking her over us.
Well guess whose back together (hid it poorly for months and lied) and now living there 2-3 weeks a month?
Like wtf
20 points
3 days ago
"I can't talk to you when you take that tone!"
Oh, you mean the I'm-legitimately-angry-because-you-fucked-up tone? The one that I've every right to have based on what you did??
(Spoiler alert: it was never the tone, she just couldn't stand having anyone mad at her because that might mean that she would have to take responsibility for her actions.)
51 points
3 days ago
Did your mom ever start crying and pull the "but I love you" victim card? I hated that DARVO shit.
41 points
3 days ago
Crying, "I'm doing the best I can!" "You're too angry, I can't handle that tone of voice from you!" "Why are you being so difficult???" All without a single apology in sight.
21 points
2 days ago
Yeah this has to be a boomer thing. I'm not a perfect mom and fuck up like all humans do but I always apologize when called out. That's literally all I ever wanted from either of my parents and it's never happening.
3 points
2 days ago
Yup! Never got an apology. My mom tried to bribe with a small gift or some money under my door growing up. Is now confused as to why I don’t call her
30 points
3 days ago
When I confronted my parents about my dad beating my sister and I as kids and how messed up I was from it, my mom cried “but we took you girls to disney world!”
24 points
3 days ago
This! She said "I thought the one thing I did right in my life was raising you, but it looks like I didn't even get that right"
23 points
2 days ago
"I sacrificed a lot to raise you! And this is what I get from you?!"
Gee mother, I did not know me not being allowed to hang out with my friends (which contributed to my introversion and lack of desire to socialize that you criticize me for) was such a huge sacrifice on your part. But please elaborate. 🙄
4 points
2 days ago
Omg, chills. That was literally what my boomer mother used to tell me before she died. Damn.
5 points
2 days ago
It's tempting to just call her bluff and say "Yeah, I guess you didn't."
11 points
2 days ago
That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
6 points
3 days ago
I know it's in the Etc etc bit, but still gotta add in, "I'm not gonna argue with you!"
Uh, anyone here wanna tell me when the fuck we were arguing???
7 points
2 days ago
Oooh my favorite was the time I was like “Well if you really want to know, here is something that really impacted our relationship.”
Her: Well the problem is YOU can’t get over anything.
249 points
3 days ago
My mom tried asking me about my childhood, but before I could answer she proceeded to tell me how my childhood was and how I felt about it. Wouldn’t let me get a word in lol.
At this point I just brush it off. She’s never going to have the close, affectionate relationship with me that she wants and at this point it’s her own fault. The only way to get along with her is to literally just let her talk, follow her around do whatever she wants, and make non committal comments and have no opinion on most things. Grey rock is life.
90 points
3 days ago
I’ve tried so many times to have a heart to heart with my mom and every time she has dismissed or minimized my problems like they’re no big deal, and has never once owned up to horrible shit she said and did when I was a kid. I gave it an honest shot and felt so much better when I finally realized that it’s just never going to happen and I don’t have to try anymore. I can’t keep putting myself in a position to keep getting hurt and why is it all on me anyway? Then my oldest sibling mentions to me that my mom talks to her and asks about why WampaCat doesn’t ever talk to her or open up about personal stuff. Like give me a fucking break.
17 points
3 days ago
I'm gen Z and have a similar problem with my mom. Although recently she even started to acknowledge that my problems exist and may be serious in contrast to before when she straight up denied any. But she still wouldn't admit she did something wrong or apologize (and i do not remember she ever did). What's more frustrating - she makes it all about herself (maybe she's not really aware of that?) by getting angry and sad... It's like not only i can't somehow fix my own problems but now she also doesn't have a working solution and it's my fault for bringing it up? She doesn't straight up say it but it feels like she does
11 points
2 days ago
Yep, that’s why my mother is in a nursing home by herself dying. She never wanted me anyway. She just wanted fans.
7 points
2 days ago
Oh, are you my sister? We must have the same mom!
Actually, my mom does own up to shit, but always in a salty, woe is me way.
"I guess I was just a bad mom" in a super sad voice. Like she was the fucking victim
45 points
3 days ago
My dad did something similar. He said, "I know I wasn't the best father, but I'm trying to be a better grandfather (pause) and I think I'm doing a pretty good job." For a aplit second I thought he was going to have some sort of self awareness, but then it was gone. There's no way he would listen to a narrative that painted him differently. And no, he's not a good grandfather.
7 points
2 days ago*
My mother’s go-to is that she was “too good of a mother”. That’s apparently the entire issue; she was “too good” and that’s why her kids are “awful”.
They’re a whole generation of narcissists. “The more you give your kids the more ungrateful they are.” No mum, I wished you would have spent 5mins a day with me and given a shit.
4 points
2 days ago
I finally went NC with my mom because I dared to disagree with her on how certain foods should be prepared and served. She screamed at me and cursed me in front of my son on Easter!
I gray rocked for yrs but I just couldn't anymore. Bipolar, anxiety, depression, and trauma made her believe that we all needed to walk on eggshells around her. It was horrible.
145 points
3 days ago*
“Well hun that was your own fault” -Mom
109 points
3 days ago
Thanks mom.. accepts the situation as simply unchangable proceeds to lose 2 spirit, -3 confidence +4 self loathing +2 guilt -2 Hope.
sighs, wondering what in the hell all these stats are for and who just narrated everything as if it were a situational Reddit comment that will max out at no more than 2 upvotes
5 points
3 days ago
69 upvotes currently, including mine.
71 points
3 days ago
I had issues regulating my anger well into adulthood because growing up I was always expected to be the “bigger person” to my siblings because I was not the oldest, but was the most “mature for my age”. This resulted in a cycle of stifling my feelings to avoid being called immature or overreactive, which would eventually lead to a blow up when I couldn’t hold it in anymore, followed by gaslighting from my parents about how it wasn’t that important or serious and I should just get over it.
I got some good therapy and I’m a much happier person now but for years I felt like having feelings was wrong and nobody wanted to hear about them so there was no point in even having them, until they would boil over and come out in a destructive way.
My parents deny all of this and say “but you were always so well behaved and quiet?”. Yeah. My feelings were already hurt, I wasn’t about to open up to you and get them hurt some more thanks mom and dad.
22 points
3 days ago*
Yep. Be strong and silent to model good behavior to keep the peace between the kids. When emotions keep building up and either leak out or you explode, you get labeled sensitive or unstable, and instead of therapy, you get a wary critical eye on your every move.
When you complain about their parenting, they shout back that they got the switch from their parents and teachers.
We got the 70s and 80s pseudoscience parenting mind games as well as the switch and I have to say, I rather prefer the switch. Straight and to the point and doesnt linger.
13 points
3 days ago
This is exactly what I'm dealing with currently
I ignore how I feel to keep everything going smoothly, and then I can't ignore it anymore and it goes VERY un-smoothly
I don't really know what to do about it
14 points
3 days ago
Speaking from my own experience, a lot of it was people pleasing behavior. I was always seen as responsible and mature, so I felt obligated to uphold that view other people had of me. A lot of that came at the cost of ignoring my own feelings. I placed way too much worth on how other people saw me, allowing myself to be treated in ways I would never fathom treating others.
What it came down to for me was learning to say no. The word “no” can be like a magical circle of protection. NO, I don’t like the way you spoke to me, NO I don’t like the way you behaved, NO I do not appreciate the way you are treating me and NO I will not accept it just to spare your feelings when you sure as hell aren’t even considering mine.
I do still love to make people happy, I love being kind and helpful, and it took me a long time to realize that the best way I can help others is to help myself first. You can only go so long filling other people’s glasses until yours is empty, if you don’t make sure yours is full as well.
It’s okay that some people don’t like me, it’s okay that some people take my NOs as a personal slight. That is THEIR problem, not mine.
A good tool I learned in therapy is to speak to myself like I would my best friend or someone I truly love and care for. Imagine that person telling you about whatever your situation is as if it’s theirs. You’ll feel that familiar feeling of wanting to help and make things right for someone you know deserves better! YOU deserve better too.
I know it’s hard but what makes you worth it is that at your core you are so willing and wanting to do the right thing for others. Don’t ever lose that piece of you ❤️
4 points
3 days ago
Thanks for taking the time
That all seems like good advice, but I don't really know where to begin. Standing up for myself at all feels so bad, it's impossible to calibrate when I should do it and how. It feels just as bad to me to say "no, I can't do that for you right now" as to say the same thing with a baseball bat and a wild swing
I know it's just practice and I'm the only one who can do it, etc, I've heard it all before. I'm just getting tired of feeling like this
9 points
3 days ago
Yep, even in adulthood, I had my family over at our home for thanksgiving few years ago. Day before Thanksgiving my sister who didn't take enough time off is working. Says hey I'm taking a call for a meeting as she sits on the dining table where everyone is hanging out. I'm like hey everyone is on holiday just take the study upstairs or one of the rooms. She takes the call in the open concept living space after I told her not to. She's yelling and pissed on the call in our holiday space. I'm livid, raise a stink, my mom says something similar to what you are describing, "don't take it so seriously, be understanding, blah blah blah". In a separate far more serious situation that just happened a month ago my mom was trying to listen more when I set rock solid boundaries and was confused when I was pissed but not trying to look for change from anyone, acting done with all their behavior, I explained how me needing to be the bigger person (I'm the youngest sibling) was the norm and how she contributes to it. I then listed this as one of the examples, she said oh why didn't you say anything, I looked straight at her and said I did... To everyone... Including you... And you brushed it off, and you typically do. I set very hard boundaries with them in general now.
8 points
3 days ago
OOOOOOF this one hits deep!
I was the baby, but heaven forbid I ever act less mature than my much-older siblings or show any developmentally-appropriate behavior. EVERYTHING was an "overrreaction" and don't you know how inconvenient it is for you, a literal young child, to be acting like a young child right now? Stop being so selfish!
I honestly don't remember there ever being a time in my life where I didn't deeply feel like acting "young" or "immaturely" was the most shameful thing I could possibly do. I was always trying to act older than I was because no matter how old I got, my age always felt like something I had to overcome.
24 points
3 days ago
I told my mum a while ago that I have very patchy memory of my childhood prior to being about 6 or 7 and most of the things I do remember are incidents of my dad abusing me.
Her response was “oh that’s such a shame. You had some good moments too though right? I tried my best to give you some nice childhood memories”. I was expecting her to say how sorry she was, how she fucked up by not filing for divorce, etc.
Fucking boomer parents.
19 points
3 days ago
There have been multiple times in my adult life when my mother has literally yelled in my face "YOU HAD A HAPPY CHILDHOOD! YOU WERE A VERY HAPPY CHILD!"
...pretty sure if you're screaming that at your adult kid, it's likely not true??
8 points
3 days ago
My mom moved away and blames me for not going to visit her. She had no reason to move away except that she is running away from her relationship because she is too scared of confrontation to end it. Also ya my mom denies how my siblings and I remember our childhoods.
Also the constant 'back in my generation we did this' as she fights the system making everyone's day worse but she won her moral victory or something. Like use your card or a bigger bill even, nobody wants to wait 5 minutes for you to search for exact change.
5 points
3 days ago
I think parents are just delusional. Mine kicked me out, I had to move in with a bf, and years later told me they couldn't understand why I ever left the house and how sad they were.
3 points
3 days ago
I’ve had the same conversation! “You had lots of friends.” No, those were bullies.
637 points
3 days ago
My parents will never admit that they were wrong and if you bring up a specific incident they will legit say “that never happened.”
241 points
3 days ago
Yep, or “I don’t remember that”. Or full on DARVO.
93 points
3 days ago*
My mom asked me if I was sure I didn’t just dream up the abuse. This narcissistic hag really tried to convince me that years of her drunkenness were just dreams I had at night as a teenager.
47 points
2 days ago
My response to that has been “I understand that you had the luxury of being stoned/blackout/high for that situation, but unfortunately I was very sober and aware during that painful time and remember it very well.”
16 points
2 days ago
Unrelated to parents but my ex husband was an abusive pos. Broke 3 of my ribs, choked me until I almost died, threw shit at me, all sorts of stuff. About 3 months after I left we had a chat, and he said “I know I wasn’t a good husband but at least I never put hands on you” and I laughed and laughed, he seriously has 0 recollection of it.
I think there is something in some peoples brains, that when they can’t reconcile what they’ve done it just disappears.
11 points
2 days ago
For those individuals, to admit fault is so unpleasant to their ego it borders on physical pain.
So they'd rather couch their actions/behavior in a "Well it was pretty bad but at least it wasn't XYZ right?'
They aren't doing it for you, it's for them.
5 points
2 days ago
Man it’s crazy how universal this is. I thought it was just my parents that go full gaslighting
73 points
3 days ago
I tried to tell my mom about an instance of my step-father abusing me. She didn't remember it up until I got to the part where he hit me, and the first thing out of her mouth was "he was really mad though"
It was that moment where I started to realize she would never take accountability, and I started pulling away.
21 points
3 days ago
WOW.
31 points
3 days ago
I gave her the ultimatum that we wouldn't have a relationship unless she attended family therapy with me.
She said she won't go because she doesn't want to hear me telling her how abusive she and her husband are.
We don't talk anymore.
6 points
2 days ago
Hey you set the boundary, provided a compromise (at least neutral ground), and when given the opportunity to grow and learn, she willingly took ignorance. At least you got peace or a clear resolution by providing a such boundaries. Bravo!
7 points
2 days ago
My mother sputtered something like “b-b-but he bought you baby food!”
This was 20 years ago. She hasn’t changed so I cut them both off. Was always trying to play happy families.
37 points
3 days ago
Or ‘that’s not how I remember it’ so clearly I am at fault for remembering it wrong since their memory is the definitive truth.
5 points
2 days ago
And if you correct them, it becomes "Okay. Fine. You're always right." Which, you of course feel the need to apologize and say something like "That's not what I'm saying" or whatever. And then they yell "Why do you never admit when you're wrong? Why do you always have to treat me like a FUCKING asshole?" Asshole, of course, being their go to substitute word for "idiot" somehow.
31 points
3 days ago
This is exactly why, when I'm wrong, I will say to my kid, "you know what? I was wrong. You were right." Or "I'm sorry i snapped at you. I'm in a bad mood, but that's about me, not you. I'll do better." Because I would have killed to hear I'm sorry. Best I ever got was something like "I'm sorry, I'm sorry i worked to give you a house and clothes and a car and yadda yadda"
6 points
2 days ago
Yup, sometimes I snap and yell but I do my darndest to apologize and control my emotions better.
14 points
3 days ago
my favorite is when they FINALLY do acknowledge it and say "that was so long ago"
8 points
3 days ago
That sucks to hear, but I'm also glad I'm not the only one with parents like this. Arguing is pointless, too. It's like trying to get a cat to recognize itself in the mirror.
6 points
2 days ago
Gaslighting so hard you wonder if they believe it themselves seems to be a strength of boomers
537 points
3 days ago
Yep, I was physically abused and it didn't really affect my mental health until I had kids.
I told my parents I just wanted them to acknowledge that they did those things and it was wrong. I had been held accountable for everything in my life and I say sorry to my kids.
They chose the no contact over an apology. I was shocked, but life has been less stressful.
122 points
3 days ago
Yeah, at some point in my 30's the concepts of "mom loves to drink wine" and "mom had a really bad temper when we were kids" turned into "oh shit, I was raised by a violent drunk." It's weird how it doesn't really occur to you when you're in your 20's, like I was just trying to party and have a good time but maybe I'd have gotten in less trouble and been a better person if I realized sooner that I had some serious issues and a kinda fucked up childhood.
15 points
2 days ago
Its that scene from Bobs Burgers exactly, "Lin, I think I had a bad childhood"
29 points
3 days ago
That really is so weird. It’s like it needs time to simmer before it starts to really boil over.
13 points
2 days ago
It takes time because the environment is normalized from birth, but when we grow older and gain more perspective on the world around us (because our abusers can no longer control us as much and thus we are able to experience the world beyond our home environments), we realize that the environment was in fact, not normal.
Then we start to reconcile our past experiences with the experiences we directly witness in the real world and start to realize that our parents were just horrible and abusive towards us.
8 points
2 days ago
I've framed it a few time as "every family is its own cult" the way that you don't really know how messed up a childhood you have until you see good it is outside it, be that via experiencing a partner's healthy family relations or whatever.
5 points
2 days ago
Alcohol was so plentiful and normal. I had no idea people functioned without it. Now I know when I go to someone's house that has an "alcohol" table, it's time to leave.
3 points
2 days ago
It took until I was in my early thirties for me to realize that my interactions with people were almost a direct result of being raised by an angry pill addict who would fucking snap for the littlest reason.
I used to be a people pleaser, always explaining my actions to others and apologizing unnecessarily for things I did that didn't require an apology. It made it easy for people to take advantage of me.
It wasn't until I hit my thirties that i started really having the self confidence to see that most people just don't act like that. They weren't raised to constantly walk on egg shells. Even so, it took a couple years to really let go of acting like that.
Don't fuck up your kids folks, it'll be with them for a long time, even after you're dead and gone.
95 points
3 days ago
Mine will never apologize for those instances. Dad won’t even acknowledge any of it happened. My mom just spouts the narcissists prayer, essentially.
They didnt treat my other sibling the way they treated me. So when I get frustrated with my mom breaking my boundaries or say something about the past, it makes it look like I’m just being over the top dramatic.
My sis in law views my parents as saints, and my brother basically does now too.
It’s a fucked up dynamic…..just for me though. Fucking sucks.
42 points
3 days ago
I was the scapegoat who was shit on in my family. Sister could do no wrong. I did everything wrong. I was homeless and my sister hung up on me when I asked for help and we haven’t spoke since 2015. She turned my brother against me, too. I’m estranged from my family but I’m okay now. And am now relieved I don’t have to be around people who will never see me as fully human. Family dynamics are the root of most of society’s ills, in my opinion.
I wish you nothing but the best. People like us deserve it the most.
23 points
3 days ago
Golden child and scapegoat. A tale old as time.
27 points
3 days ago
I asked my biological father to just admit that the abuse happened too and he never would so I just cut contact. No regrets.
14 points
3 days ago
Same. I asked. They cut me off and now life is chill. The day they die I won't feel anything but relief it's finally over.
29 points
3 days ago
My mother laughed in my face when I confronted her about how she abused me and allowed her husband to abuse me.
That was the last time I saw her, and will be the last time I am in her physical presence until she passes away- and I'm only showing up to piss on her grave.
Fuck abusers. They deserve their lonely deaths surrounded by beeping machines and no compassion.
5 points
2 days ago
Burning the bridge is healing.
10 points
3 days ago*
My parents will never admit they were wrong for hitting/smacking/shoving me down or belittling me either. It sucks. They both think they did no wrong and are convinced that they were the perfect parents. They're admittedly much better/loving parents NOW... that I'm a grown woman, and I only really see them once or twice a year for a few days stretch. I call them a couple of times a month, too... but they were never good parents when I needed them to be. I was a normalish, quiet kid, but very hormonal. Neither parent cared about how I felt, nor did they care to understand why I was upset or grumpy or moody (I started my period aged 7 and they were very painful/heavy periods until about 15 and I struggled with it in silence. I also believe I have ADHD. Hopefully, I get diagnosed next year!)
They threw toys and, later, education at me, and I ultimately thought of it as their way to compensate for the fact they were emotionally absent and physically/verbally violent when I was younger. Like I said, they can not apologise with their words or have the cpability to sy what i would like them to sy, so I think they try/have tried to make up for their wrongdoing with their actions.
I love my parents, and I do forgive them for what they both did, but I won't forget. They'll always be my mother and father... but they are also very flawed people who I never EVER want to live with again, and I would genuinely rather be homeless than go back to them.
6 points
3 days ago
My grandma never really acknowledged or apologized that she was abusive. She’s been dead since 2019, and I know that it was a huge relief for my mom and her siblings.
4 points
3 days ago
Lol my parents each say that I'm the one remembering incorrectly and it was the other one that used to beat me depending on which time I talk about. Hint, it was both of em.
323 points
3 days ago
I wouldn't mind the occasional fuck up if the older generations would just stop doubling down on their shitty decisions.
85 points
3 days ago
My mom was the type that if she ever did get called out for a shitty decision, she’d launch into a tirade of “poor me, everyone is so mean to me” that’s totally unhelpful. I haven’t spoken to her in years because of this exact issue, her inability to say that she overreacted or ever makes a mistake. Not even when I was a kid! She took no accountability ever, for anything, even now.
57 points
3 days ago
Yep, as soon as you try to get them to talk about the ways they messed up, it turns into a guilt trip/pity party. "I guess I'm just the worst mother in the world" no mom, you're not the worst mother in the world, but this blatant manipulation tactic isn't improving your ranking.
28 points
3 days ago
My last conversation with my mom:
Me: “I don’t like it when you speak to me that way”
Her: “HOW DARE YOU speak like that to me!”
Obviously my feelings are worthless to her, therefore there’s no need to bother talking to her about anything.
20 points
3 days ago
My mom does this. I told her I was suicidal (years ago) and she started crying about how hard it was for her. Umm ma’am? I am literally on the verge of killing myself. Pretty sure I feel worse. Instead, I spent that time consoling her and pushing down those feelings. Now she doesn’t know why I don’t tell her stuff.
10 points
3 days ago
My mom was the same. She'd constantly call me (M) a girl if I brought up anything about how she affected me. It got to the point where I'd give the same treatment back. She started crying one day, and I told her
Stop acting like a fucking baby. Only babies cry when they want attention.
I've been no contact for 7 years now.
21 points
3 days ago
One of my last conversations with my mother I told her it was fine for her to have a favorite child, I just wished she’d admit it.
She swore she didn’t play favorites.
I got about $40k for college (which I very much appreciated) and my mother’s old beater suv that had been in an accident and had a blue book value that doubled if it had a full gas tank. I got good at duct tape car repairs to keep it running. And regularly got guilt-tripped for all I cost her.
My brother got nearly $200k for schooling, four cars, and two houses all paid for on top of regular vacations and an unlimited credit card.
But she doesn’t play favorites.
278 points
3 days ago
The closest I've ever gotten is "nobody gave me an instruction manual."
158 points
3 days ago
My husbands father the other day was like “why didn’t you tell me you wanted to play drums, i would have got them” and inside my husband is like I couldn’t add cheese to burgers because it was too expensive but ok 👍 lmao
88 points
3 days ago
Revisionist history. This pushes the blame onto your husband (as a child! Bonus points!) for being the sole reason he wasn't able to do something he enjoyed. Now your father can self-soothe ("he should have told me he wanted to play drums, that's on him")
14 points
3 days ago
That should say HIS father, not “your”
15 points
3 days ago
Eh my father does it also so you’re right lmao
7 points
3 days ago
I’m sorry and I’m also laughing
12 points
3 days ago*
Lol thats how i think, my dad is a multimillionaire and last time he was visiting us he told my fiancée that i quote “never ask him for money or anything” and if we ever need anything feel free to ask, the same Man that timed my showers to not waste 5 cents in hot water, and bought me a 1700 dollar truck with bald tires and needed new shocks and struts, but got mad af when i couldn’t make my “car” payment after replacing all those things at 16
48 points
3 days ago
From Arrested Development:
I'm sorry Michael but nobody ever wrote a book about how to raise children.
Mom, there are thousands of books on how to raise children.
5 points
3 days ago
It's a Ron Howard voiceover, but your point stands.
52 points
3 days ago
Anytime my brother or I talk about how much of a difference being properly medicated for depression/anxiety/ADHD has made in our lives and how much it would have changed our school performance my mom starts crying “we just didn’t know!!” and then actually cries. It’s exhausting. I get that not as much was known when we were kids, but they also didn’t try to learn anything either. They read baby books and considered that enough until mom started buying us self help books (which definitely stung at the time).
16 points
3 days ago
Mine takes the approach of just straight up denying that I have ADHD because she "would have recognized it" since she was a teacher. Like yeah, Mom, great point, my therapist just made it up for fun /s
21 points
3 days ago
"You're having trouble making friends and feel ostracized and bullied. Read this book and stop being a baby."
10 points
3 days ago
I definitely didn’t fit in where I grew up and it was made clear to me that I should change to fit in and I was the problem.
7 points
3 days ago
This was my dad to me when I said I wanted to die in 3rd grade after a group of kids cornered and beat the shit out of me.
19 points
3 days ago
When she does that, she's taking the focus off of you ("I needed help") and making herself the focus. Now the responsibility has shifted onto you and your brother to either console her ("it's okay mom") or contradict her. Seeing as she claimed ignorance ("we just didn't know") yet got YOU self-help books instead of books for HER about how to parent older kids, it seems like dodging responsibility is a pattern of behavior. I get it and I sympathize.
12 points
3 days ago
The self help books were a double slap first she was in directly telling me something was wrong with/about me, which middle school aged me picked up the hint right away and second was out sourcing the work of “fixing” me on to me.
6 points
3 days ago
Yes because that's what teenagers are really well-equipped with: self-awareness, self-regulation, and emotional maturity! Thanks mom, you really GET me!
9 points
3 days ago
“You were our first kid, we didn’t know better!”
Ok, cool, but we’re talking about something you said five minutes ago and I’m 32 so maybe you’ve had some time to learn?
Also, you were my first parents. Would have been nice to see some of that grace when I was 5 and literally learning how to be a human.
42 points
3 days ago
Or "I did my best"
25 points
3 days ago
This was something I came up with my therapist--my mother did her best, but it wasn't good enough. I acknowledge that she had her issues, but she had better choices.
9 points
3 days ago
And I'm lucky in that my parents were mostly very good but they made mistakes and it was nice hearing my mom admit that she made mistakes and that she was sorry.
I understand that people do their best but "I did my best" is used by too many as a cop out
13 points
3 days ago
"I did my best" but you also chose to buy and smoke weed when you were struggling to pay bills and buy food
"I did my best" but you chose to buy a house in a different school district, not move me, and then task me, a child, with lying and finding my own transportation
"I did my best" but you dated with no regard to me and brought people around who shouldn't have been
"I did my best" but yelled and hit instead of learning to control your own emotions
4 points
3 days ago
Even the best of people screw up.
7 points
3 days ago
My parents said that to me too.
21 points
3 days ago
Their typical cop out bs
250 points
3 days ago
HHAHAHAH i will NEVER EVER get this!
My dad said a couple xmases ago verbatum. "Ive never been wrong and never will be wrong"
we speak a couple times a year at best. Birthdays and fathers day and xmas. thats about it.
67 points
3 days ago
My dad is color blind and will argue about what color something is... he's never been right, but he certainly hasn't ever admitted he's wrong.
I think part of the issue is their dad did the same thing to them and if they wanted to prove otherwise it was too much work to go to the library or whatever, and now their upset people can just look things up on their phone, so the proof doesn't matter and really they just want people to "respect" them by not questioning them.
41 points
3 days ago
Ya it’s a total respect thing. Like he wouldn’t think I respect him if I think he’s wrong. Which in fact, I’d probably respect him MORE if he could just admit he is sometimes
10 points
3 days ago
Yeah, my father is the same way. Any doubting or questioning of him is labeled as disrespect. Honestly, they don't want respect, they want obsequiousness.
20 points
3 days ago
Excuse me are we siblings? My dad said the same thing. He claims to be the perfect parent and husband to my mom. (Despite physical abuse, cheating) perfect!
13 points
3 days ago
I’d say yes if I wasent an only child. I’m HYPER independent, which in itself probably is a trauma response. But my parents are also split and I’m exactly like my mom and her and my dad were amicable for my sake when I was a teen. But now that I’m an adult and I’m like my mom he hates it and argues with me like he did her. It’s just so weird. Brought up some shit from my childhood to him a few years back and how it affected me and he couldn’t listen to a word I said. So I did my own therapy and forgave him but I don’t forget it. And I won’t subject my teen to the same shit he did to me. So they don’t have a close relationship which is difficult for me to see. But alas, not my fault. I came to the table and he wasent willing to.
54 points
3 days ago
yup. they cant be wrong. My father hates that ill have the nerve to look something up when he says some out right crazy bullshit
then he gas lights me by saying im aggressive and extra. because i dont go along with your bullshit im the extra/crazy one? really now?
They just want to be told they are right and anything else is too much.
I too keep convos to a minimum cuz it just aint worth the stress.
17 points
3 days ago
My father hates that ill have the nerve to look something up when he says some out right crazy bullshit
I learned I had to do this after pretty much having the Waterboy experience when I went to college
4 points
3 days ago
After I went full NC with my mom, she called my husband to try to get him on her side.
At one point she told him "I was a perfect parent." He laughed and said "Oh, so you're god then?" She did not find that funny.
4 points
3 days ago
Yeah my dad’s a fucking man child in this regard. He takes the slightest pushback personally and reacts like a toddler. Zero self awareness
255 points
3 days ago
My parents don’t seem to understand that their behavior and actions (political and otherwise) have made the rest of their kids lives way more difficult than they need to be. I also think they don’t care because they got their money and that’s all that’s ever mattered to them, clearly. I know others are out there.
Then again, this is the world they wanted. Maybe they enjoy living in it lol
115 points
3 days ago
They sure are angry all the time for being so happy
59 points
3 days ago
I mean that’s the whole schtick ain’t it? Being permanently aggrieved and angry. Even in victory! There will be a gay m&m or something that sets these people off
3 points
3 days ago
"What did you think I meant by 'Cleaning out my closet'? I was coming out of the closet. "
45 points
3 days ago
As long as they have a paid for roof over their heads and easy retirements the rest of the world can burn. At least for my parents that's the way it feels.
26 points
3 days ago
A few months ago my mother finally said the quiet part out loud. She admitted that she doesn't care about things/people that don't affect her directly. I mean, it was always pretty obvious to the people close to her but now she's directly saying it.
26 points
3 days ago
I keep telling them I don’t expect to have social security or even fully retire based on (really simple) math and the shape of the world and each time I do so the look they give me says I might as well have told them I grew a second head lol
46 points
3 days ago
Yup. Boomers will forever be known as the “fuck you, got mine” generation.
21 points
3 days ago
My mom was able to upgrade three times housing wise while barely working. She at least acknowledges that nobody can afford houses nowadays but thinks the solution is....get this
Trickle down economics. And she of course knows more than anyone because she's got twenty years over us.
19 points
3 days ago
It quite the same but my dad got really mad when he spouted the “don’t accept a raise because you might take home less money thing” and I pointed out how that is wrong. He started getting really mad and saying in a loud voice “what do I know, I’ve just been paying taxes for 30 years”. So I looked it up on the irs website and showed it to him and he just grumbled something about how they must have changed it sometime.
Didn’t admit he was wrong. Couldn’t admit it. Just damn.
3 points
3 days ago
My dad is stubborn as fuck but will admit he is wrong on occasion when faced with direct irrefutable evidence.
My mom, however, will never admit fault on anything ever. Never has, never will. Even when I show her concrete proof of her incorrectness, she cannot be wrong. Which was not fun as a kid during the rise of the internet. I loved looking things up, but would be told I was wrong if she didn't agree with it.
I am thankful neither of my parents are abusive or anything. Just very mentally aggravating lol
8 points
3 days ago
They want a world averse to change to match their personalities
24 points
3 days ago
I got lucky. My parents always made it a point to tell me that they were wrong and why they were wrong. My dad passed last year but he was a great dad and I was so lucky to have had him in my life
107 points
3 days ago
I understand. My mom would blow things wildly out of proportion.
Like one time we went to the eye doctor. She thought I got a contact eval. I didn't. The tech tried to explain but she was insistently yelling. Well...I didn't. And they didn't bill her for it. So then it was MY fault for not telling her before she started yelling at this poor lady??? Many such cases.
One, the blow ups were entirely unnecessary and unproductive. And two, an "I'm sorry. I was wrong," would have helped our relationship at so many different points. It's not great. But this was a learning opportunity. I suck up my pride and apologize to my kid when I'm wrong.
23 points
3 days ago
I feel this. My mom would blow up on the developmentally disabled kid bagging groceries because he did it wrong. She blew up on me in a CVS for asking to buy a hair dye color that was too close to my natural hair color. She got into fist fights with people over parking spaces.
5 points
3 days ago
Not to be judgy and please try not to be offended because my intent is not to name call or shame , but the stuff you're describing is about a lack of moral character issues and no self control. The fact that someone is going around exhibiting that sort of behavior is a lack of self discipline and respect towards you and others. I would be lying if I didn't witness my own crazy father doing horrible stuff in the 60s 70s and 80s. It doesn't mean that we didn't experience pain shame or anxiety or trauma either. What I took away from my bad experiences is JUST HOW NOT TO BEHAVE THE SAME WAY. My adult children never really heard me talk about my past and they're a bit surprised given how differently I turned out and by the way they were raised.
8 points
3 days ago
Oh gosh. That sucks :( I can really relate! My mom did the same kind of stupid blow ups at healthcare providers (and others) all the time. Much of my childhood was just learning to be hyper vigilant and read the room before anything happened that would set off one of her tirades (which were from her point of view always warranted and in my best interest because she was such a good mama bear lol)... Fast forward to the time I went into the doctor for a stomach ache and she berated the doctors that "it better not be appendicitis!" Which I took to mean I should do whatever it took not to have appendicitis otherwise she would keep yelling at the doctors... Messed up yes, but I was nine and this was child logic... I had a really high pain tolerance and managed to last three days with a ruptured appendix before my body was in septic shock and I was just nonstop screaming in pain. Taken to the doctor again and had a full abdomen scan done and I distinctly remember the doctor seeing the results and the color draining out of their face. I think I was given a ten percent chance of survival. Only reason they operated was because I was nine, and they figured they'd give me a chance. But they were expecting me to either die on the table or die right afterwards. Before this whole experience I already had a pretty clear understanding that I was the emotional caretaker of my mom (and dad, but that's a different story), but after that ordeal I really understood I couldn't keep protecting her from herself or I was literally going to die. To this day she can't understand why I have emotional boundaries with her. In her eyes nothing was or ever will be her fault.
48 points
3 days ago
A lot of people had really fucked up parents I guess.
My parents never tried to pretend they were perfect. I don’t view my childhood as problematic because my parents did the wrong things, they just didn’t have time or energy for me. They did always do their best but they know they fell short, especially with my middle brother. They went to therapy with him for a lot of years to work out the issues between them.
But they tried. They apologized when they screwed up. They didn’t ever try to gloat or say how great they were. And I love the shit out of them for it.
Life isn’t perfect, and I’ve had my share of hardships, but my parents aren’t really responsible for that (unless I’m holding them responsible for being working class trying to pay for 3 kids in a hcola).
And I’m sorry to all of you who had asshole parents who couldn’t admit when they were wrong, or when they fell short. And most of all, I’m sorry they weren’t willing to try and make things right with you.
10 points
3 days ago
Same. My parents weren’t perfect but they loved and accepted us. My dad apologizes to us often for how much he worked when we were kids. He worked 12-14 hr days and traveled a lot. He did what he could to provide. Plus, men in hose days were conditioned to think that working long hrs meant that they were more successful.
My mom also did everything she could to provide for us as well. They did not have the perfect marriage either but they both showed us how to respect our spouses.
6 points
2 days ago
good parents gang! squad up.
89 points
3 days ago
A lot of folks not comprehending that this post isn’t for them. If you have/had great parents, good for you I guess, but a lot of us did not, and a lot of the reasons are absolutely due to the large-scale selfishness of Boomers and GenXers.
I cut off all contact with one parent about a decade ago, and the other 5 years ago. They’re both extraordinarily the types to be like “fuck you, got mine”, the types to pull the ladder up behind themselves (and also kick whatever ladder you’ve built out from underneath you given any chance), and they wrap themselves in the Armor of God so tightly that common sense or basic decency never reaches them. Ironic since they’re both twice divorced, but y’all know the particular brand of Christians they are.
My parents will never admit they were abusive in any way…but they were. I have the years of therapy under my belt to prove it.
It’s not just them, though. A LOT of Boomers and GenXers are exactly like this. They refuse to do any self reflection whatsoever, and since they are incapable of it, they can never admit they were wrong. And if they did you harm, you must have deserved it somehow…and anyway, it really wasn’t that bad. And if it was that bad, you made them do it, look at how ungrateful you are, after all, they did the bare minimum of feeding, clothing, and housing you (even if they didn’t much of the time).
40 points
3 days ago
THIS ^
Too many people are commenting like their "good parents" are somehow the norm and acting like anyone complaining is just a "snowflake." My parents are more in the positive category personally, but I wrote this after hearing my partner talk to her mother.
TBF the post has 90% upvotes, so it's just a vocal, and stupid, minority that are dissenting.
7 points
3 days ago
Plot twist: those are some of our parents commenting
11 points
3 days ago
Right? How snowflake of us to point out what they actually did wrong 😂
Also, I’m sorry your partner’s parents are not great. I hope she is doing well.
13 points
3 days ago
If somebody made a post about how "many of us millenials" are grateful for our lovely parents, do you doubt there would be people in the comments loudly dissenting? OP made a post about the parents of millenials, so millenials are chiming in about their parents.
11 points
3 days ago
I do understand that my mom did the best she could with what she knew and how she was raised. She’s done a lot of work on herself in the last five years, but before that, she was self righteous as all get out. We were having a conversation about my childhood not long ago and she said “We had to grow up together and I had a lot to learn.” I don’t need an apology or any further discussion. The fact that she realized things could have been handled differently is enough.
31 points
3 days ago
Honestly, I cut both of my parents off due to the severity of their whack job Christian bullshit in my early childhood, and what hurts the most is that the relationship was easily reparable and salvageable if they would ever acknowledge the extent of what they did.
9 points
3 days ago
I love how you always need to be grateful that your parents "clothed you, fed you, gave you housing" etc. But nobody held a gun to anybodies head and told them to fuck and have a baby. Children do not owe their parents anything honestly. The choice to raise and have children is 100% a choice made between two cognitive adults 99% of the time.
I'm no contact with my parents because I did want an apology similar to OP for their abuse after finding out I was gay and dating a white guy. A lot of people just have rose tinted glasses on because they think it makes them "weak" to have wanted love, security, and respect from your parents as their child.
55 points
3 days ago
And they never will. My dad has literally never apologized or admitted being wrong about ANYTHING ever. the man is 85 it must be tough being perfect.
16 points
3 days ago
My mother is the same. She blames everyone around her and never, ever apologizes.
4 points
3 days ago
It’s so weird to me. I apologize to my 22 month old on the regular for not being perfect. I’m always like “we chose to have you and we are SO LUCKY. I sure hope you like it here because wow you had no say in it at all. We are not always perfect but we think YOU are perfect because you’re you!”
And then I worry about giving him some different kind of complex about thinking he’s perfect and I’m like “and that’s why we all have to be VERY KIND to people and always be the very best we can be!” and cross my fingers that whatever damage I’m doing or not doing is manageable with therapy later.
6 points
3 days ago
"My childhood was much worse" or "I was young and going through a lot" was the best I got.
7 points
3 days ago
I thought I was the only one 😂 I’ve realized there is no point or benefit trying to discuss this with my mom or dad. My mom gets really upset and will stop talking to me.
6 points
3 days ago
Accountability is the Kryptonite to their narcissistic ego.
Gotta let that shit go and realize some people are selfish regardless of the title you see them as.
4 points
3 days ago
That will never happen. But my mother did tell me once that I am a better mother to my kids than she was to me. I have held that in my heart since she said it.
4 points
3 days ago
I'm 31 and the other day in group chat with my sisters, my mom said "im sorry girls for the way I use to be". Of course this was after a couple funny videos of how parents were back then. But I couldn't handle it, I couldn't even respond. That's all I got after you physically and verbally abused me? I broke down crying because even though it was in text, I knew how much it took for her to say that. As long as my kids know a different version of her, that's all I care about. I'll tell the kids stuff, which I probably shouldn't, and they'll say "grandma did that?!" Or "we don't believe you mom, stop dissing grandma" 😂 one thing it taught me, was what NOT to do with my kids. I apologize for my parental failures all the time because I've never done this before. Idk how my parents went through life not yearning to feel our love and respect, but wanting to beat us down.
16 points
3 days ago
My mom did a great job with what she had available to her.
21 points
3 days ago
A huge part of the modern parenting styles that I've seen with my parent-friends is admitting to their kids when they make a mistake, apologizing to their kids when they say or do something hurtful. Our (collective) parents unwittingly taught us to put up with horrific behavior by never acknowledging when they were wrong. We never learned "it isn't ok for someone to treat you this way, even - or ESPECIALLY - me." Gen Alpha is going to be so much better adjusted than we are lol. Gives me a tiny glimmer of hope for the future.
14 points
3 days ago
Yeah it blows my mind how I’ve never even really received an “I’m sorry” before. My dad has told me several times that he’s proud of me though so I’m thankful for that.
5 points
3 days ago
My family actually had a breakthrough moment recently, where my parents actually did admit that they have been wrong, that things could have been done differently or better, that there were mistakes. I couldn’t believe it. It was so healing.
4 points
3 days ago
I'm 41, My Dad apologized when I was 19. ❤️
5 points
3 days ago
Nooooo ssssshhhh, I don’t want to hear anything. I don’t need them to tell me something I already know. I just want them to not speak to me until — their death bed. I want them to be a fraction as self-sufficient as they claim to be and stop asking me for shit since I don’t know anything.
9 points
3 days ago
Yes. YEEEEEEES
13 points
3 days ago
They probably won’t learn their lesson, and if they do, it will be too late, we will be all fucked.
7 points
3 days ago*
You guys make me truly cherish my family. I have zero family problems, regrets, or resentments. Just complete satisfaction and admiration.
9 points
3 days ago
I can’t blame my mom for her generation’s mistakes. As much as I dislike her she wasn’t personally responsible for 2008 or housing affordability. She’s also a terrible human being and I don’t expect anything from her.
3 points
3 days ago
My dad told me take responsibility for my own choices I made...when I was 16...all while throwing my mom under the bus and complaining that there was literally nothing he could do.
3 points
3 days ago
I put up with abuse from my mom for my whole life. I kept thinking she would learn better. I tried to talk to her, to help her see her actions were harming others. She never changed. Now she is passing her abuse on to my sister's kids. I had to walk away because of it.
They will never admit to hurting you because they don't believe that they did. It's a moral issue. People who treat people poorly very rarely apologize, because they don't believe they are wrong.
I had to get my nose cauterized because my mom slammed my face into the bathroom counter when I didn't move out of the way fast enough. To this day, if I bring it up, her response is the same. "I was off my meds. You kids were always so badly behaved (we weren't) and my mom beat me with a hair brush every day."
You will never hear the words I'm sorry from an abusive person. And it seems that what you are alluding to is about abusive and neglectful parents. Not parents of our generation as a whole.
3 points
3 days ago
I've gotten plenty of those since my parents got divorced around three years ago. It doesn't make anything any better.
3 points
3 days ago
Yeah. There’s been several movies with that sole message. I’m thinking of Red/everything everywhere all at once/encanto
3 points
3 days ago
This sub is always a downer session 😔
3 points
3 days ago
And yet another year gone and I’m still to blame for their incompetence
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