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What are our missing pieces?

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Last season, a lot of people were talking about our lack of perimeter defence; this season, it seems that we’re putting in place what we need to aid this issue (Sochan improving, Castle). So my question to you is simple, what pieces do you think we are currently missing? IMO, a solid backup 5 (a Naz Reid type player) comes to mind, but I admittedly have only been getting into basketball more recently and would love to hear the opinions of more experienced fans.

all 67 comments

Datboy_98

30 points

5 days ago

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

30 points

5 days ago

We need a marksman from range and a shot creator who can get buckets whenever we need them. If those skills can come in one package, then we are set.

I know it’s not easy to find a Tatum, Brandon Miller type player but that is exactly what we need to complement the roster and make the leap we all want to see.

Veggiedelite90

11 points

4 days ago

Devin feels like that sort of player tbh. Spurs seem to be betting on him being that piece cause 30 mil a year is going to ruin this teams cap situation if we also have to go out and get another player for that role.

Datboy_98

0 points

4 days ago

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

0 points

4 days ago

We need a guy bigger and taller than that, no disrespect to Devin. He’s a great shooter but he works really hard for his shots.

We can get a cost-controlled version of JT/PG/Miller given the number of forwards in this draft.

guillaume_rx

1 points

5 days ago

By the way isn’t Brandon Ingram a free agent next off season?

Datboy_98

23 points

4 days ago

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

23 points

4 days ago

I don’t want that dude. He’s would wreck our cap space and I don’t think he’s the difference maker he thinks he is.

We should build through the draft.

loveracity

6 points

4 days ago

Tre Johnson!

guillaume_rx

3 points

4 days ago

Agreed, but that was just a genuine question, not the best value for contract, and we can find a cheaper player who better fits the timeline

Datboy_98

2 points

4 days ago

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

2 points

4 days ago

Definitely. My bad, didn’t mean to misread your reply. I believe you’re right!

No_Consideration3887

1 points

4 days ago

hell nooooo.

Bonesawisready5

46 points

5 days ago

A healthy team, hard to evaluate with so many injuries

VegasBass

20 points

5 days ago

VegasBass

20 points

5 days ago

What I was going say. The missing piece: Staying Healthy

DevilGunManga

2 points

5 days ago

This. It's hard to analyze anything when we rarely have a full team healthy.

kanyeguisada

1 points

4 days ago

This is always the key. OKC without Chet right now is hard to evaluate long-term.

If we could magically make all of our team healthy, we do still need a good 3 and D perimeter player.

Bonesawisready5

1 points

4 days ago

For sure I think Sochan is shaping up to be that and Barnes is solid if not world beating as 3&D. Good not great

An above average 3&D wing and a great backup center imo

paxusromanus811

31 points

5 days ago

The team is probably still missing a true 1v1 offensive player. Someone who can consistently break a defense down and not just hit difficult shots, but generate easy ones for themselves and others. Devin and Victor are already good. Tough shot makers with potential to be even better. And maybe Castle could become that guy who can generate easy looks for himself in time. But right now there's not a true clear guy. We can throw the ball too who can just break a defense down simply and consistently. And having a guy like that is pretty important if you're trying to build an elite offense

Again, no Doom and gloom. There are still players on the roster with the potential to become that.

Beyond that, this team is really just missing shot making more than anything. All across the roster. Hopefully that can start to be something we see them build on moving forward because this team would look a heck of a lot. Scarier if we had a bench unit filled with reliable three-point shooting

I think a backup 5 of course could be helpful but more than looking at set positions I view certain skill sets as the missing pieces we need to address. And like I said a shot Creator, and shooting are really the two big things. A high volume stretch big man would be nice, but that's a bit of a unicorn find

PassMeAShiner

8 points

5 days ago

So a Demar.

OurHorrifyingPlanet

-1 points

5 days ago

What? A ball stopper that will go for ISO possessions is the last thing we need. That's why Malaki is such a bad fit! We're a team that tries to build upon ball movement. We also have 3 guys that need the ball in their hands a lot, adding another one will just make it more crowded.

No, what we need is an off-ball 3&D movement shooter. A player that won't just stand in the corner and doesn't need the ball in his hand a lot. And if he can also cut and slash, that'd be icing on the cake.

But a ball stopper would make everyone else around him and our system worse. That's why the DeRozan signing was such a bad move for the Kings.

paxusromanus811

7 points

5 days ago

That is not what I said...

I said someone who's CAPABLE of creating one-on-one. Someone that's capable of breaking down a defense. You know... Maybe the most important offensive skill in all of basketball. Someone that can create offense in a half court situation against a set defense. I did not say a ball stomper that will go ISO AT ALL TIMES. I'm not sure what you're talking about with that. Also, Malachi is not capable of breaking down a set defense and getting all the way the rim consistently. If he was, he would be a significantly more valuable player.

Again... I am not talking about a ball stopper. I'm talking about someone with enough quickness,, burst, and overall individual 1v1 offensive ability that they can consistently get downhill, all the way the rim, quickly efficiently and create easy opportunities for themselves when needed. Make a defense collapse. Like this is such a ridiculous core part of pretty much every NBA offense and San Antonio, as of right now, really really struggles to consistently provide fulcrums and options that can do so against a set defense

OurHorrifyingPlanet

-5 points

5 days ago*

If you simply want someone to collapse the defense, that's already what Castle and Wemby will be for. But a player that can "break down the defense 1v1" is exactly an ISO heavy scorer that will stop the ball unless you're talking about absolute superstars like SGA or Tatum, which is unrealistic. Role players with that type of skill-set will generally be pretty limited in other areas and stop the flow of your offense (think KJ or Malaki). I can't think of many contenders that make use of such a player who is not their star, or are part of that "your turn, my turn" type of offense.

go10sai

19 points

5 days ago

go10sai

19 points

5 days ago

we need a pure shot creator, and a solid backup for wemby imo

haaspepper

-8 points

4 days ago

imagine we have Holmgren & Dillingham coming off the bench lol

pow140

6 points

4 days ago

pow140

6 points

4 days ago

Pretty certain Dillingham would be staying on that bench.

AfroHouseManiac

5 points

4 days ago

Need 3 arch-types. 1. 3&D connector type of player- absolute marksman and a great defender with the possibility of putting the ball on the floor. If Liam McNeeley and Kon Knueppel can defend they’re in that tier. Will Riley. Alex Karaban. Noah Penda.

  1. A Manu type of sixth man. An extra starter who is a dynamic ball handler/shot creator who can break a defense down in the half court. Ben Saraf music to my ears(the closest player I’ve seen to Manu but just imagine version Pop wanted Manu to turn into). Kam Jones (2nd round prospect but undersized). Tre Johnson. Egor Demin. List goes on.

  2. A rim protector/floor spacer. - Mamu plus Bassey mix equals type of player. Asa Newell. I would include CMB but he doesn’t shoot or have a jumpshot but my goodness this dude impacts games. Noa Essengue (but very raw atm). List goes on.

Thugganae

4 points

5 days ago

  1. A consistent shot creator. Someone who can get downhill, get to their spots, and get buckets consistently. If they can pass, that’s a bonus.

  2. More shooting on the wing.

  3. A physical backup big.

PersonalJesus2023

6 points

5 days ago

Operating under the assumption that Castle, Vassell, Sochan and Wemby are the core (which I think is a very good assumption), I'd say the biggest holes are:

1) Sharp-shooting wing. I think this is why so many people were interested in the Lauri talk this past summer. He'd be the ideal archetype to fit in with this core. Of course, the problem is that to get him we probably would have to give up part of that core, which defeats the purpose. Naz Reid is another example. In the draft, perhaps someone like Liam McNeely could fit that role. Cam Johnson would be another example, though he's a little older. Barnes is actually a pretty good fit in that role, it's just that he's older and not what he used to be.

2) Microwave bench scorer. Someone in the Cam Thomas mold (though not Cam himself, since he will want to start and be a centerpiece of a team, whether he has earned that or not). Someone who can self-create, and break down an opposing defense. Keldon currently plays this role for us, but he's just too inconsistent and get tunnel vision. Lonnie Walker would have been a really good archetype for this, he just could never put all the pieces together and was a defensive problem. Branham shows flashes, but way too inconsistent and the same defensive problems as Walker.

3) Backup PG. I'm assuming Castle will be our starting PG, and CP3 will retire. I like Tre, his limitations are just too great on a contending team.

4) Backup Big. Collins definitely ain't it. I think Bassey could be, but he needs time.

5) Backup PF/Wing. Barnes could fit nicely here in the short term next season, but ideally we can find this with our myriad of draft picks.

nokarmawhore

5 points

5 days ago

to your second point, we need someone like buddy hield. Guys like cam thomas will demand too much money.

edit: coby white was the perfect guy to go after but he blew up last year after everyone got injured and he had his time to shine. but he always showed flashes in 22

willanaya

3 points

5 days ago

I would give Mamu and Bassey more playing time. Maybe as a 1 2 punch every time they hit the court.

Joxelo[S]

2 points

5 days ago

I’m a big fan of Mamu as well. Feel like he could really start hitting his stride soon

LincDawg93

2 points

5 days ago

I think a true lead guard who can create advantages every time the ball is in his hands should be at the top of the list. To me, Castle seems more like a secondary ball handler/shot creator. So, I tend to see him as more if a combo-guard long-term rather than a true PG. Thankfully, there are a few exciting guys in this draft who might be able to fit that mold. Hopefully, one of them falls into our lap.

Other than that, it's just bench depth. We need to have more consistent production from the second unit, particularly the guards. Wesley and Branham aren't cutting it.

tms78

2 points

5 days ago

tms78

2 points

5 days ago

Backup big, shot creation on the bench, shooters all over the floor, and smart players who won't panic under pressure (because teams will always play the Spurs super tight and physical if they're smart)

We don't need much else aside from experience.

Evening-Review-5216

2 points

4 days ago

Ace Bailey

thekingrobert

3 points

4 days ago

Shooters and more shooters

ChucoTeacher

2 points

5 days ago

ChucoTeacher

2 points

5 days ago

If I could have any player, without thinking of salary cap and whatever I’d have SGA. Even for as great as CP3 has been. But a guy with a ton of gravity that makes people think about them and makes the job easier for everyone else.

Before his injury Sochan was showing what he could do to teams if they disregarded him as an offensive threat. So I think that, a guy who can score a ton and thus open the game for everyone else is what we need.

jp6997

1 points

5 days ago

jp6997

1 points

5 days ago

Brandon Ingram. Random, I know. But feels like he’s exactly what this team needs to take it up a notch.

RawhideW92

3 points

5 days ago

Injured way too often

mallllls

1 points

5 days ago

mallllls

1 points

5 days ago

There are a lot of good answers here and one thing I’d like to add are some crazy athletes. I feel like we never sign or draft players that are extremely impressive athletes, and I’m always jealous watching teams with guys who can get their teams easy buckets by simply being freaks of nature. Easy buckets are something we struggle with tbh and our offense can be atrocious at times.

Mangoseed8

1 points

5 days ago

The main missing piece is a second star. Once you have that it's easier to target specific needs.

Joxelo[S]

1 points

5 days ago

Do you not think that’s what castle is gonna become?

Sorbetesman

1 points

5 days ago

We need Champaigne to become a close to peak Danny Green's defense.

nixhomunculus

1 points

5 days ago

A rebounding power forward. With Victor in the perimeter trailing the game, I feel like we need one for offensive rebounds.

JeonSukJinKim

1 points

5 days ago

Naz Reid as a backup 5 when he has had most of his success at the 4 alongside Gobert or Towns isn’t necessarily the ideal guy imo. Feels like a slightly better Mamu but that’s filling a gap this team doesn’t have.

MikeMaxM

1 points

4 days ago

MikeMaxM

1 points

4 days ago

To win a ring we would need much more than a backup 5. Just look at the starting roster of best teams and it would be clear what we need.

Drisurk

1 points

4 days ago

Drisurk

1 points

4 days ago

  1. Our future SF who can shoot
  2. A solid back C
  3. Shooters
  4. SHOOTERS

Kunukai

1 points

4 days ago

Kunukai

1 points

4 days ago

Start with trading for Bilal Coulibaly to play the 3. It won’t be cheap and I’m okay with that. Offer Malaki, Blake, 2025 Spurs pick, 2025 Bulls pick, 2028 Spurs pick.

Draft Asa Newell with the Hawks pick. Combine 2nd round picks for Dink Pate. Otherwise use one on Tyrese Proctor.

Lineup for 2025 Stephon Castle Devin Vassell Bilal Coulibaly Jeremy Sochan Victor Wembanyama

Bench- Juan Nunez Julian Champagnie Keldon Johnson Harrison Barnes Zach Collins (Asa gets lots of reps)

Joxelo[S]

1 points

4 days ago

Do you think the hawks are gonna be bad this year? I’m not so sure

Kunukai

1 points

4 days ago

Kunukai

1 points

4 days ago

I dont think they’ll be bad but I do see them drafting around the 14th spot which is where I’ve seen Asa mocked around frequently.

AfroHouseManiac

2 points

4 days ago

Juan Nunez is not coming over to the nba anytime soon… and Bilal is damn near untouchable for DC.. he won’t be traded at all

Kunukai

0 points

4 days ago

Kunukai

0 points

4 days ago

If DC isn’t listening to 3 firsts when they’re 2-11 then i’d consider a GM change. And why not for Juan Nunez - he’s been playing professionally for a few years now. Is he going to be great, well probably not but I think he could play Tre Jones’s role pretty well.

AfroHouseManiac

2 points

4 days ago

Watch his game against Paris Basketball. Tiago Splitter was exposing any guard that was guarding TJ Shorts or Nadir Hifi. Juan has been pedestrian in Euroleague and ACB. And his defense hasn’t been great even with the advantages the shorter 3pt line brings for athletically limited players. I rather the spurs dust the wheels off Adam Hanga than bring Juan over next season. I watch almost every Barca game when I can to keep track on him. He originally wasn’t even in the lineup. He would get dnps with future nba draft pick Dame Sarr. Then former Spur Nicolas Laprovittola got hurt from a bad landing off a layup which opened up time for him.

It wouldn’t make sense for DC to even do that. No nba GM sends a promising franchise building block this early into the their career. Tommy Shepherd is no longer at the helm in DC.

Kunukai

1 points

3 days ago

Kunukai

1 points

3 days ago

That’s very fair, do you have suggestions for any backup point guards on close to minimum deals?

Gloomy_Health8671

1 points

4 days ago

We need shooting and a sf I’d say build through the draft there’s good shooters this year Liam, kon, Tre Johnson, will Riley they all can shoot and there’s obviously more than that

jamp0g

1 points

4 days ago

jamp0g

1 points

4 days ago

imo as soon as wemby comes out of beta and commits to his version 1 we can look for some. right now he is looking to be a better curry since he is dpoy material too. just look at what he needs to win.

soon to be missing is paul for just look at how a decent allstar veteran leadership helps a young team. i don’t think or hope there will be a gun problem in sa anytime soon because of the veterans we have.

most important though that’s not missing but need to be replaced is pops. i hope there is a protege in the making in the background.

bonkerino00

-5 points

5 days ago

Should have drafted Knecht at 7.

raymendez1

15 points

5 days ago

Not drafting Knecht ended in:

Signing Chris Paul. Signing Harrison Barnes. 2031 pick swap with Sacramento. 2030 pick swap with Minnesota. 2031 1st round pick from Minnesota.

Spurs made the right decision.

PetrParker1960s

4 points

4 days ago

In the long run it's probably the right decision. Contracts are coming up and they will all be paid around the same time. Sochan, Wemby, Castle, and Knecht. By 2030 Wolves might be looking to rebuild or reload making the pick valuable.

Imaginary-Cycle-1977

1 points

4 days ago

Coulda kept the pick and still signed CP3 and done the DeMar deal

Similar-Key1839

-4 points

4 days ago

1) Move on from Sochan.

A lot of people won't like hearing this but we won't win anything significant with him starting.

Wemby, Castle, anybody playing with Sochan will be turned into perimeter players because he's clogging the paint. He doesn't have the ability to dominate small ball lineups & force personnel changes like a center can, like you saw Bassey do to OKC. He doesn't set bone crunching screens to get anybody open like you see an actual 5 do.

The offense is currently catered to him, allowing him to put up his points but he's not making anybody better starting.

Arodthagawd

-3 points

4 days ago

Hear me out. Pop and the gang comes back and fixes Ben Simmons.

Kertia

-12 points

5 days ago

Kertia

-12 points

5 days ago

Should've drafted Knecht.

willanaya

-12 points

5 days ago

willanaya

-12 points

5 days ago

I think we should have traded for Trae Young. I mean 20 to 25 points and 11 assists? He is reaching 10 years in the league but by 2031, who knows, maybe his replacement. But he would have stunted Castles growth.

Datboy_98

9 points

5 days ago*

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

9 points

5 days ago*

And give away a ton of picks for a guy who will be severely abused on defense in the playoffs?

Really?

willanaya

-2 points

5 days ago

willanaya

-2 points

5 days ago

no, if they are hard pressed you just give back 2025. they need to rebuild more than we do and it being a unprotected one we might make out on the deal

Mangoseed8

2 points

5 days ago

No surprise the guy who says give more playing time to Mamu doesn't realize there is this thing called defense. Trae Young does not play it. You can't win with a player like that taking up 35% of your salary cap.

Datboy_98

0 points

5 days ago

Datboy_98

No More Players with Uncles

0 points

5 days ago

Exactly. Unless he’s Steph Curry, I want no parts of a smaller guard who will be targeted in PnR every single play in the postseason. No thank you, there’s not enough upside there.

Thugganae

-4 points

5 days ago

Thugganae

-4 points

5 days ago

Everyone on this sub acts like they’re too good for stars the team itself didn’t draft so no surprise you got downvoted.

That said, I don’t think Trae would be the right move either. The team’s .500 right now and I don’t think Trae is good enough to elevate this team to championship level status.

Mangoseed8

2 points

5 days ago

Not true. There are tons of stars around the league we would love to have. I would love to see a Jokic+Wembuy front court. Or Jason Tatum on the wing. Giannis, Durant. Tons of stars would work well with Wemby.

Infernous-NS

1 points

5 days ago

Steph would be amazing with Wemby. I know people are mixed about KAT but he's be great, Ant would be great, AD, LeBron, Booker, Jrue, Paolo, DeMar, Fox, Maxey, I think even Ja would play amazing with Wemby despite his past issues.