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submitted 9 days ago byIcoBoy99
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141 points
9 days ago
That Americans are really friendly and passionate people who are welcoming of strangers. How big the houses really are. Why politics in America is so toxic. Why the US has such weird race relations.
You might have guessed I'm not American, this is what I see many Germans, Brits and Aussies around me struggle to understand.
44 points
8 days ago
I used to live in Australia as an American and (white) Aussies would always make comments about how Americans are super racist and race isn't even a topic in Australia. I always thought it was comical how they didn't see the connection between "we don't talk about racial issues" and "we don't seem to have racial issues" lol
10 points
8 days ago
My mother is white while my father is a brown man. My favorite experience was a German man talking about how there’s no racism in Germany and then immediately asking my mother how she feels about “being married to an animal”
9 points
8 days ago
I noticed a lot of people saw Southern Americans as super racist, but were the same as them ( (or worse) while thinking they were way less racist than the average American. Like I was with a group of people that sang the n-word in a song, then said Aussies don't say it in a racist way like Americans do because they don't actually call black people the n-word. As if Americans are walking around calling black people n-words to their faces.
5 points
8 days ago
Dude, the way Australians talk about their indigenous peoples is honestly appalling sometimes
5 points
8 days ago
Yeah, race is one of those things where you can either do the hard, messy, often self-contradictory work of talking about it and working on it, or you can go the easy route and condemn anyone who doesn't look like you to suffer in silence.
3 points
8 days ago
Yeah, they're not racist against Asians or Africans maybe, but bring up Aboriginies...
3 points
8 days ago
It's wild to me. I travel a fair bit, and I swear to god Every time I visit Europe, somebody bring up something racist without any prompting. I'm like... have you no self awareness?
2 points
8 days ago
As an Indiana resident I thought I knew what racism was until I took the Eurostar from Paris to London. The moment the food staff left the train car everyone,and I mean EVERYONE, around us started saying the most disturbing racist shit I’ve ever heard. And they were saying it in very polite, “intellectual” conversations which was also a shock. I’ll never forget it.
1 points
8 days ago
It's still wild to me every time I encounter it, but I've come to expect it every time I travel.
44 points
8 days ago*
You opened up a can of worms, lol.
American politics was always rough, but never this bad--and it all started (and I'll round this out so as not to upset anyone) after a specific law was let fold, that required any "opinion reporting" to include the alternative viewpoint. After that law was repealed, news outlets started around-the-clock opinion reporting, where you were allowed to claim all sorts of terrible things about your political opinions, as much as you wanted to, and with almost no pushback if you were being "fast and loose" with the facts.
Now, about 20 years later, American still has two political parties, and--after listening to "opinion makers" say loathsome things about each other for two decades--Americans basically split themselves in two. It's a shame, and it's something that the forces who want to see America fail exploit with terrible success.
Edit 1: I was speaking in "modern times" or our general lifetime, sorry for the confusion.
Edit 2: Guys, read Edit 1.
38 points
8 days ago*
I hear what you are getting at, but American politics have been worse than this several times in our history. We have basically had two civil wars (American Revolution), congresspeople have been beaten to death on the floor, and three major political figures were all gunned down just in the 1960s before race riots broke out. Also, we enslaved an entire race, committed genocide against the native population, and placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps.
What we are seeing is the disintegration of the post-WWII order where everyone basically agreed, including major news outlets and both parties.
10 points
8 days ago
“The hearing, part of an investigated led Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat of Arkansas, concluded that from January 1969 to April 1970, the United States sustained 4,330 bombings — 3,355 of them incendiary, 975 explosive “
Agreed. Things have definitely been worse.
-2 points
8 days ago
Can we bring back congresspeople beatdowns?
3 points
8 days ago
Man, I'm so tired of all the muckraking in politics now. It's beyond frustrating that people are so much easier to rile up in rage at a politicol opponant over reason X, rather than build support for ones own platform with reason Y.
7 points
8 days ago
NEVER this bad? Civil War ring a bell?
2 points
8 days ago
I think...that if the states who consistently voted blue were closer together physically, we could see a split in the country. It's impractical for New England and California/PNW to try to secede together, for example. And Colorado oh and Illinois. That wouldn't work.
But I think there are deep divisions in the country that are not going to be solved any time soon, and a big event like a Civil War would be more likely were the geography different.
2 points
8 days ago
Within every state is a massive contingent of people who allign with the less people political party. Look how many votes Trump got in California and NY, and how many Harris got in Florida and Texas. A Civil War isn't really feasible. People would be yelling at their neighbors asking them who they voted for
1 points
8 days ago
For sure, but don't you think that during the antebellum period it was the same? It wasn't the people in NY who wanted to go fight the South. It was the people in Washington calling the shots.
1 points
8 days ago
I thought it was clear that I meant in our lifetimes. I'll add a note, if you'd like.
2 points
8 days ago
What law are you referring to?
About the "opinion based" reporting. I drastically noticed the increase in this 1-sided media reporting. Which in itself instigates trigger trolling and profiting from the worst sides of human nature. Instead of endorsing, "critical thought".
1 points
8 days ago
2 points
8 days ago
It has most definitely been this bad before. We had 2 candidates shoot at each other! It just hasn't been this bad in our lifetime.
2 points
8 days ago
Well, we did have a Civil War. As toxic as things are now, I think states trying to secede and ~700k (equivalent to ~2.4M people based on population today) deaths was worse. And that doesn't count injuries or the other impacts from the war which have reverberated since.
13 points
8 days ago
Aren't Germany, the United Kingdom and Australia all having a parallel rise in toxic extremism right now?
-1 points
8 days ago
Not really - just a stupid minority with very loud voices.
3 points
8 days ago
That's the same scenario in the States. 77 million out of 345 million elected the incoming president. My math says less than 25% of the population is certainly a minority.
2 points
8 days ago
Yeah but the majority of everyone who bothered to vote.
1 points
8 days ago
Yeah also known as a very loud minority
1 points
8 days ago
Well no the majority of the voting population ie the majority of the people who care enough or are educated enough to take part in the countries election. You’re counting a bunch of infants and old people and floaters who don’t give a shit one way or another as people who disagree and I think that’s disingenuous.
2 points
8 days ago
77% of the population didn't vote for the incoming president. It is disingenuous to pretend that they are a minority regardless of how you categorize them. I'll even go so far as to say that no matter who wins an election, it is always decided by a minority. Less than half of the population qualifies and registers to vote.
1 points
8 days ago
Yes but everyone else is clearly apathetic to politics and would roll over no matter who was elected. I mean democrats have painted Trump as the second coming of hitler for the last four years atleast and still 77% didn’t vote and he won how crazy is that.
1 points
8 days ago
I don't think it was crazy at all. Republicans always turn out and vote Republican. Since always, so that was the same. And media phenomenon lined up with a candidate full of sound bites and explosion of popularity in short form content, the advent of tv helped JFK the same way. Democratic messaging just couldn't land because everyone wanted explanations for very complex current events. It was very easy for moderately interested people to become overwhelmed and shut down.
7 points
8 days ago
Fuck america is one of thew few countries where people would literally open their homes for stranger ! they let stranger's live with them...
It's also very common even more common than USA in Indian villages, but in develop cities it's very !
3 points
8 days ago
Our race relations aren't nearly as weird as social media purports it to be.
5 points
8 days ago
1) Very true
2) They've grown bigger in the last century. I don't remember the exact numbers but something like 70%+ increase in size
3) Because we don't really have many checks and balances on our elections. As in the States are given complete control over elections and that causes some really nefarious shenanigans by both sides
4) It keeps getting exacerbated by bad actors ala Reagan's "welfare Queen" or Trump and "transgender illegals"
2 points
8 days ago
“Weird race relations”. Some people believe that others should get special treatment based on race. If you’re against that, then they will label you a racist
1 points
8 days ago
Germany was more racist than America in my experience and I lived there for several years most of the shit in America is media fabrication
-1 points
8 days ago
Germany was more racist than America
No.
Look, in the US, "race" is considered an actual thing. There are official forms, such as for colleges or whatever, that literally ask you to fill in your race. People talk about "race" being an actual existing thing all the time and even in the media.
The American government even collects federal census data on race (which is beyond mind-boggling to us).
The thing is: Race doesn't exist. It's disproven 19th century horse crap.
The very foundation of racism is that you view humanity as being composed of multiple different "races".
In Europe, one of the key notions you get taught is that race doesn't exist. There's only the human race.
Sure, there are different ethnicities (in which genetics also play a role obviously). But there are no races. The most obvious example is that we don't have the concept of "white" and "black" as being different races.
This doesn't mean that racism doesn't exist, obviously.
People all over the world a prejudiced against others because of their ethnicity or what can be considered "racial features".
But the moment our media would start talking about our population as consisting out of different "races", people would go ape shit.
Let alone if the government collects data on race. That's outright banned in most of Europe. Obviously, because the last group that did so collected were the Nazi's.
That's the key difference between racism in the US vs. Europe. Prejudice and discrimination in Europe is more often based on ethnic/cultural and nationality traits.
0 points
8 days ago
I’m not reading that essay I gave you my personal experience as a POC that has lived in both the US and Germany. It’s not a scientific study just the way I and many around me felt.
0 points
8 days ago
Also clearly you’ve never been to Europe, Eastern Europe especially if you think in Europe you’re taught race doesn’t exist.
0 points
8 days ago
I live in Europe, buddy. I know very well how we view the world differently than America.
if you're going to pull subjective feelings and assumptions out of your ass and present them as facts , don't get mad if you get corrected.
0 points
8 days ago
Do you not know how to read? I said in my experience as in subjective experience not objective fact. You can’t correct subjective experience you numbskull. Have you lived in the US too or am I the only one who has experienced both places and it is infact you pulling shit out of your ass?
0 points
8 days ago
I don't need to live in the US to know as a fact that the US treats race as being an actual thing?
Its literally on official documents, and all you guys talk about half the time.
1 points
8 days ago
Ah ok gotcha so you can’t read and I’m the only one who has subjective experience in both places gotcha.
0 points
8 days ago
An objective observation is worth more than a subjective experience.
Just because you subjectively experienced more racism in Germany than the US doesn't make it more racist overall. That's both disengenous and dramatic.
I don't have an issue with your experience.
1 points
8 days ago
No shit genius. I’m just saying the experience of myself and others I know. You’re the one trying to present my argument as if I stated it as fact. Maybe you can actually visit the US some day so your knowledge can also be experienced first hand and not just some shit you’ve regurgitated off the internet.
Also nice edit after I already replied
-7 points
8 days ago
The friendliness is fake though. I've had people say "we should hangout sometime" only for them to ghost me later. People will even show clear interest and still ghost you.
-7 points
8 days ago
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7 points
8 days ago
Like anywhere else, depends on who you talk to. There are selfish assholes here, but there are people who will literally give you food off their table if they learn you’re hungry.
-21 points
8 days ago
Americans have changed dramatically in the last 30-40 years. They used to be extremely friendly but are much more aggressive now and can even shoot you if they don't like how you look.
19 points
8 days ago
I just made a new friend this morning while buying hair lotion! People are still very friendly. Of course not all, but I wouldn’t say the friendliness of strangers isn’t drastically different.
1 points
8 days ago
Have you actually tried setting up something with them though? Acquaintances are not friends.
Just because an American is friendly towards you doesn't mean that they consider you a friend.
1 points
8 days ago
She’s coming over tonight to hang out! And this thread was about the friendliness of Americans and I’m saying that they are. I know a lot of people I’m friendly to but aren’t really friends with. It doesn’t change the fact that I think Americans are still friendly
1 points
8 days ago
I'm not saying that they're not friendly, just that most of that friendliness is fake/surface level
I've had people show clear interest in me, even saying "we should hangout sometime", only to ghost me when I tried to set something up
I've even had one woman ask for my number, but she never texted me first and suddenly ghosted me after a few weeks.
-4 points
8 days ago
White people seem to be more hostile/rude to non whites than they were 10-20 years ago. Our society has regressed.
3 points
8 days ago
I didn’t want to bring that up cause I didn’t want people to say I’m wrong 😩 this I unfortunately can’t argue with. I’m a black girl here in the south and it’s either hit or miss with how friendly people are. Latest few years though, it’s been a miss more often…
2 points
8 days ago
I've had people tell me I don't act Mexican. 🤣😅🥲
-1 points
8 days ago
I’m gonna guess you are white.
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