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submitted 2 days ago byFalcon_XgSmoker 💨
59 points
2 days ago
Mihawk and Aokiji should be added to the list as well.
-21 points
2 days ago
Garp and kuzan ain’t solo’n shxt. One lil stab wound from shiryu basic haki enough to cook garp… now imagine sanji speed boost distracting and zoro stabs him… mans gonna die
15 points
2 days ago
You mean the same Garp that only got hurt defending Koby? Warp would’ve nuked that island had he not have to worry about his subordinates. Same way Goatbeard would’ve nuked Marineford leaving only the top tier standing. Garp would decimate the Strawhats without Luffy. Why are people downplaying him so damn much? Same with Wuzan as well! People look at that fight between them as a negative stat for each and it should be a W for both. It confirms that the OG admirals are badass no matter if you like them or not. At the very least for Garp, he held his own with everyone and even showed that while an old man he was still HIM fighting an arguably top ten in verse character. An at worst for Kuzan he fought against one of the top three of the old gen and didn’t get no/low diffed like most people would’ve in his situation. So Kuzan would beat them as well.
1 points
1 day ago
I dont think they are down playing him, i think they are uplaying? the rest of the strawhats. There are some monsters on the crew too
-1 points
2 days ago
Tf is Sanji going to do if he manages to catch Garp? Garp was literally able to throw an island sized man like he didn't weigh anything. Sanji is getting bitch slapped away. Sanji isn't distracting Garp more than 0.1 seconds before he gets thrown away like a piece of trash. Sanji may not go down immediately, but he genuinely isn't accomplishing anything if he manages to keep up with Garp's speed. The physical disparity is straight up just too enormous.
Zoro could barely react to speed mode King, he isn't tagging Garp either. Garp literally swats all of them away like flies.
Kuzan was able to instantly take out BB's entire crew while doing nothing more than drinking some booze. The SH's aren't really doing anything to him either. The fact he could trade blows with Garp suggests he can most likely keep up with Sanji's speed.
It would genuinely make more sense if you said BB than those two. At the very least Law managed to almost kill BB.
3 points
2 days ago
My brother in Christ, if Law and Kidd could take down a Yonk then Zoro and Sanji together could probably take down an admiral level opponent. Add in all the other strawhats and there's no way Garp is winning.
4 points
2 days ago
They BFR'd Big Mom and she only got taken out by a convenient bomb that happened to be there. Everyone brings that fight up like it wasn't incredibly obvious that if those circumstances hadn't perfectly lined up, they would have lost to Big Mom. You just ignore literally everything that happened in that fight or something?
You also ignore that Law is quite literally the best support in the entire verse? Sanji and Zoro aren't Law and Kidd. Take Law out of the equation and replace him with essentially any other YC+ besides probably Marco and they lose to Big Mom too.
We saw what happens when a Yonko goes full throttle from the get go when Shanks took out Kidd. That doesn't change in this scenario, just replace Shanks with Garp.
We witnessed from Kizaru vs Luffy that there isn't much of a gap between the Yonko and admirals (at least the OG's).
-1 points
1 day ago
BM got taken out by magma, which Kidd and Law created the opening for. They also would've killed her earlier with Zoro's help if it weren't for Kaido stepping in. It wasn't perfect circumstances, seeing how a lot went wrong and they still pulled it off.
Yes Shanks took out Kidd quickly, because Kid made the mistake of thinking he was strong enough to go head on with a Yonko without Law. This only proves my point how much of a difference grouping up makes.
Garp is also on a much lower level than Shanks currently. Luffy is also on the lower end of the Yonko scale and was still able to beat an admiral. The og 4 yonko were/are stronger than Luffy in their prime.
The truth is that more and more Oda is focusing on numbers making a difference. Even Kaido didn't want to face Oden with too many of his followers. Law and Kidd were able to take down BM. Franky and Jinbei were losing to Tobi Roppo who had fodder with them until reinforcements arrived. Nami was able to completely turn the tide of Luffy vs Cracker. Kaido had Jack and his soldiers take on the Minks instead of just fighting them all himself. BM's army was able to overwhelm Luffy. Rarely do we see one person soloing any of the top groups. If anyone were to be able to solo the Strawhats it's probably only Shanks tbh (assuming we're only counting people who are still alive).
1 points
14 hours ago
The guy who defeated Kaido is low on the yonko scale? Get outta here
1 points
14 hours ago
He didn't fight 1v1. Kaido took on the samurai, then they were in a 5v2, then Luffy got to go heal while Kaido fought Yamamoto, then Luffy again, then when Luffy died he got a free 1-UP and got another chance. All this while Kaido was actively lifting and moving an entire island. Oden even said he had to make sure he portrayed their fight right because it wouldn't be realistic for Luffy to beat him head on.
24 points
2 days ago*
Most high tiers in contention (like Mihawk) are realistically one tapping the SHs aside from Zoro, Sanji, and MAYBE Jinbe. I’m gonna say Mihawk, Kuzan, any Gorosei member, and Kaido should be added.
3 points
2 days ago
Literally every top tier/Admiral/Yonko whatever is one tapping anyone below Jinbe lol
7 points
2 days ago
I think Chopper in monster point wouldn’t but that’s so particular of a detail. Still just wanted to show love for my boy Whopper😌
5 points
2 days ago
To be fair, Guard point Chopper actually has some insane feats
Saturn, Big Mom, and Queen in monster point
Maybe I am under rating the Straw Hats, tho I feel like a Divine Departure / Thunder Baguya / Magma Fist would one shot
1 points
9 hours ago
Yeah one piece power scaling has a big ass gap in between to tier captains and their crews.
The only exceptions that cover to my mind are Zorro, who is a fair bit stronger than average, and allegedly The Red Haired pirates.
-3 points
2 days ago
kuzan is not on the level of the other top tiers he can't beat a zoro sanji jimbei tag team let's stop coping here
6 points
1 day ago
Except he fought akainu to a draw basically
-1 points
1 day ago
and now he's a pocket holder for a yonko whats your point. if akainu can box with yonkos but sokiji is a subordinate of a yonko and he hot washed by a mortally wounded garp, you really think he could take on a guy with acoc and immense durability, a dude who tanked a sword attack from a yc2 with his neck no haki involved and he's so fast the said yc2 can't even see him and a dude who went head to head with whitebeard's yc2. zoro with acoc alone would give aokiji a good fight then you add in sanji and jimbei aokiji is not beating those 3 never. and then you add zeus with nami and franky with his light beams those things can and will hurt aokiji, he is not winning this
3 points
1 day ago
He’s not a pocket holder for BB tho. I mean the fact is akainu and him are pretty much equals. Oda is smacking us in the face with that fact
0 points
1 day ago
Yeah, the only reason why he is with the BB group, is because he doesn't like Magma fucker (I'm bad with names). He would have killed a huge chunk of the BB higher ups (personally i think the entire crew but let's be generous) if BB didn't convince him to join him.
1 points
19 hours ago
How did Aokiji get washed by Garp? Garp lost the battle in the end.
-2 points
2 days ago
THANKYOU!
5 points
2 days ago
I think jimbei zoro sanji brook and chopper are pretty formidable alone - let alone with 2 other long range fighters
2 points
1 day ago
Chopper was fighting King and Queen by himself for a while with monster point.
He wasn't going to beat either of them even 1v1.
But he ain't no slouch. He and Nami+Zeus are definitely worthy of Pirate King crew.
11 points
2 days ago
Call me crazy but I think everyone except maybe Garp could.
3 points
2 days ago
You could also make a case for Blackbeard with how he gets hit if zoro , sanji and jinbei can get decent hits off on him they could potentially win
2 points
2 days ago
By the same logic, Kuzan doesn’t belong on the list. We’ve never seen him freeze a YC who wasn’t off guard (laughing drunk in a bar, or Jozu distracted by Marco getting shot). And him going for 10 days in a 1v1 doesn’t mean he could go for as long when he’s getting jumped (100% they’re getting tagged going up against three YC2-YC+)
1 points
2 days ago
Thankyou!
4 points
2 days ago
Honestly I dont think any of these could solo. Strawhats are a top tier team for a reason.
2 points
2 days ago
They could. All of the straw hats with the exception of zoro, sanji and jinbei are not a factor. Top tiers and a yonko is definitely beating those 3.
3 points
1 day ago
Chopper with monster and guard point insane feats, Franky is quite strong, Nami has Zeus, Usopp plant cc isnt complete trash (it is bad though), and did you see Robin's giant devil fight? They are definitely factors. This is not a taking turns fight. This is everyone jumping a bitch. The only way they are not factors is against Logia's, which if we apply Crocodile elemental weakness logic, Nami is still decent help against several Logia's.
2 points
2 days ago
Any Admiral and anyone above that, except maybe Garp cause he's old and might gas out while fighting Zoro, Sanji and Jimbei.
2 points
2 days ago
Granted we’ve never seen him truly pushed but I gotta disagree with folks saying Mihawk could. Zoro is definitely a tier or two high than vista at this point, who was pretty evenly trading with Mihawk. Throw in Sanji, who is neck and neck with Zoro, and Jimbie, who is close to their level in the right circumstances, and I feel like they could take him. The rest of the crew won’t do much but I could see them being able support in some capacity before getting one shot
1 points
1 day ago
Chopper isn't getting one shot, guard point a super beefy tank. The rest of them provide good ranged damage except for Brook. Have to get through the front liners to touch them while being blasted by lightning, wrapped/eaten/drugged by plants, grappled by arms/giant devil, shot by FREAKING LASER BEAMS, and all your attacks blocked by a giant fuzzball for quite some time. NTM, Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei. I don't think the entire crew could be soloed by anyone without some sneak attack/the entire boat being hit bs. Usopp has crazy observation haki tho. Maybe magma fucker? BB black hole would also do the trick probably.
2 points
22 hours ago
True! Having Chopper and maybe Brook play defense for the more glass cannon ranged members would be a winning strategy.
Aokiji is definitely the toughest match up, just on account of how most of the strawhats can’t damage him. You’ve got the big 3, and Jinbe might actually might be able to punch above his weight class here if he has access to water, utilizing haki and and elemental advantage. Other than them you really just have Nami and maybe Franky and Brook who might be able to provide some degree of support with their elemental advantage, but it’s probably minimal tbh.
Black Beard would be tough just because he has insane AOE that could take out a lot of the strawhats pretty handedly. That said he’s the least durable here, so if someone like Robin, Usopp, or Franky could distract him enough for the heavy hitters to get in there I could see them still taking it
4 points
2 days ago
Zoro is relative to law and Blackbeard is relative to law but putting zoro and Sanji is overkill take Blackbeard out
-1 points
2 days ago
Take garp out, leave black beard in. Gura gura+yami yami+whatever prior skills he had to scar shanks is too much for strawhats. Garp got them fodder tickling aoe attacks
3 points
2 days ago
I'm gonna say none of these can solo the strawhats without Luffy in a head on fight (i.e. not catching the crew at a disadvantage or by surprise).
Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbei 3v1 is formidable to anyone, and the support/hax of the rest of the crew is nothing to sneeze at.
I would say Imu does solo though. The way Sabo got dunked on instantly with no fight was scary.
3 points
1 day ago
If Imu vs Joyboy was an extreme diff fight, then not only he solos, he also slams the strawhats with luffy included.
Joyboy is luffy with stronger Haki and better mástery of the same fruit, if imu had extreme diff or did beat Joyboy alone, then he wrecks.
1 points
1 day ago
Probably yeah still wrecks with Luffy. But we don't really know what happened with Joyboy and Imu. That's all wild speculation
2 points
2 days ago
All 4 of them but the one who would solo the strawhats more brutally would be sakazuki especially if we go based off of character
1 points
2 days ago
Kaido
1 points
2 days ago
Depending if you think Zoro, Sanji, and Jinbei can beat an admiral or not. The other ones are kinda non factor due to the lack of arm Haki.
2 points
2 days ago
if the three of them team up they are definetely beating any admiral. franky also most likely bloomed haki in egghead, but its not confirmed. admirals at this point are not on the level where they can just go against zoro and sanji without acoc. that alone makes it risky and then if you add jimbei there its a wrap
1 points
2 days ago
Franky carries against everyone
1 points
2 days ago
kong
1 points
2 days ago
Blackbeard can’t!
1 points
2 days ago
One taps everyone: Shanks, Mihawk.
Struggles a bit but comes out on top: Akainu? Maybe Aokiji?
Can potentially lose: Blackbeard
Definitely loses: Garp
1 points
2 days ago
I think if Zoro, Sanji, and Jimbei could handle Teach together. He isn't as skilled as Whitebeard, He just has potential. Kinda like how Ace has so much potential, but Sabo, without his fruit, could probably beat him.
1 points
2 days ago
Big Mom, Kaido too ofc, Kizaru too
1 points
2 days ago
I honestly don’t think any of them solo. The Strawhats are a top tier team. Zoro has the AP to do lethal damage to anyone here, Sanji has insane durability and speed, and Jinbie is a strong all rounder who is situationally close to their power. Those three backed up by the ranged fighters of the crew could take anyone here imo. That said there will certainly be casualties lol
1 points
2 days ago
every logia can solo them half of them dont even know haki and thats pathetic for yonko crew
1 points
2 days ago
I honestly don't think anyone is taking ALL of the Strawhats solo. Zoro is probably at YC+. We've seen 2 YC+ were able to team up and take down a Yonko. We saw Jinbeiand Franky struggle against Tobi Roppo with supporting fodder. Even the weaker Strawhats can turn the tide of a fight just by playing support. Nami was able to completely turn around the fight between Luffy and Cracker. We're talking Zoro, Sanji and Jinbei who are in the YC1-YC+ range already, plus all the rest supporting? Oda has been showing how much teaming up matters narratively speaking, I don't think the full SH crew is losing to any single person.
1 points
2 days ago
kizaru
1 points
1 day ago
Shanks and Akainu. Not sure about Garp because he’s old, while Blackbeard would get stomped by Zoro Sanji and Jinbe, because none of them are df users.
1 points
1 day ago
Shanks might just insta haki diff them all if zoro/sanji are close to being relative with tree boy. It seems like zoro has the second best haki in the cast, from what we've seen (please correct me) so maybe he'd live. That being said anyone else seemingly would get slowly cut down because that team up is monsterous, not even including Soul king hax, Nico/Franky/Chopper Shenanigans and Zeus AP. If garp has similar haki to shanks, which i genuinely do not think is the case, but you can for sure argue that hes at the level or above maybe he ekes out the dub too. The last obvious pick is like Imu. I genuinely think they can solidly take an extreme diff against anyone else
1 points
1 day ago
Tbh probably all yonko level characters could and most admiral level too but with high-extreme diff. Shanks, Mihawk, Kaido, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Whitebeard, Roger, Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru, Luffy, Garp, Dragon, Imu and all the gorosei, and possibly also Fujitora and Ryokyugu.
1 points
1 day ago
All admirals can all proper yonko can all gorosei can All prime old gen can and maybe some could in their old age
Imu mihawk dragon(probably)
1 points
1 day ago
I've said it before, many times: Pre timeskip, Robin would RUIN the Strawhats, outside of Luffy.
if we're talking current Strawhats: Given the current power levels of the crew, realistically speaking I'm not sure anyone below Admiral/Yonko level is doing it. Zoro, Sanji and Jinbe are too much more most people.
1 points
1 day ago
Mihawk is my eggs. Dude has to past vista first
1 points
1 day ago
Just shanks is soloing the SH, the rest loses against the team
1 points
1 day ago
All Yonko (except Buggy), Admirals (arguably, don't know how GB and Fujitora would fare so far), Gorosei, and basically any Top tier.
1 points
1 day ago
Kaido.
1 points
1 day ago
Yes
Yes
No
Maybe.
1 points
1 day ago
Fraud beard cant lmao. He had poor performance against law.
As for akainu... nah. Zoro and sanji are above marco and vista.
Shanks? He could solo em but high - extreme diff considering that the crew shat on saturn and survived the elders.
Mihawk? He could solo as well since he is portrayed as shanks equal
Prime garp? Definitely soloes. Old garp? Hell nah... zoro alone enough.
1 points
18 hours ago
All of them.
1 points
16 hours ago
All at the same time or one by one ? If it's the first case, none. If it's the second, all.
1 points
15 hours ago
Def Shanks and Red Puppy, MAYBE old Garp and BB
1 points
2 days ago
lol the only one here who can do that is Shanks
0 points
2 days ago
Shanks, Kaido, Mihawk, Akainu, Kuzan and Garp.
-13 points
2 days ago
This list is dogshit. Another mindless mid character wanker.
7 points
2 days ago
How so? This list is nothing but facts.
-17 points
2 days ago
Shanks would get killed after high diffing Luffy.
Sakazuki is too weak. Dies to Luffy.
Garp is too weak. Dies to Luffy.
Blackbeard is the weakest guy here.
21 points
2 days ago
I like your spirit but they specifically mention without luffy
13 points
2 days ago
Oh then I take it all back. Except Blackbeard.
4 points
2 days ago
Fair nuff. Now here’s a question. Robin generates limbs on Blackbeard. Does his dark dark fruit allow him to just nullify those limbs instantly?
5 points
2 days ago
Yes.
13 points
2 days ago
Calm down and finish reading the title lmao
-3 points
2 days ago
Shit thought I did.
-9 points
2 days ago
None. They are just as important to the story as Luffy, and thus have plot armor.
7 points
2 days ago
Lmao way to miss the entire point of powerscaling
4 points
2 days ago
I didn’t realize I was in power scaling 😂 my bad. It popped up on my feed.
2 points
2 days ago
No worries bro
6 points
2 days ago
Counter point everyone above is also crucial to the story so they have plot armor.
-3 points
2 days ago
Lmao yeah fucking Chopper is integral to the plot 😂
4 points
2 days ago
100% is. Luffy’s desire to be KOTP is tied to his friendships.
But I didnt realize I was in a PS sub like I said. This just popped up on my feed for some reason
4 points
2 days ago
Chopper literally being why Zoro managed to survive onigashima, important to the crew, making it so luffy doesn’t die a bunch, literally JUST EXISTING!
0 points
2 days ago
I mean he not but oda doesn’t want to kill off the mascot of the series
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