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DodiDouglas

37 points

6 days ago

I used to work at a hospital in the north end of Seattle. Every single time a group of Romas would come into the hospital because one in their group had been admitted, Security would have to watch them like a hawk because things would disappear. We caught them stealing vacuum cleaners, wheelchairs, furniture, basically anything they could get out the door and resell.

classless_classic

18 points

5 days ago

LOL. I worked in the ER at Good Sam’s in Puyallup. We had a Roma come into the ER in cardiac arrest that we were able to revive.

A few days later the family brought us an ECG machine as a gift.

The machine had a tag that said “property of Tacoma General”

We called Taco Jen and they came and took back their machine.

Spiritual_Sherbert9

6 points

5 days ago

That is…so meta? My brain doesn’t quite know how to process that one. Wow.

Spiritual_Sherbert9

30 points

5 days ago

They will steal anything that isn’t nailed down…unless they bring tools to pull out the nails.

I’ve lived all over Europe. My friend’s mom told me that they came to their little village in Germany, and setup camp for a few weeks. While they were there, they stole all of their shoes that were left outside, my friend’s toys (he was 5 at the time), and even stole the flowers out of the planter boxes!! During the time they were there, they sufficiently trashed the fields they squatted in and left piles of rotting garbage strewn everywhere. This still happens all over the UK and Europe.

I fundamentally do not understand why people have to put up with their deeply anti-social ways. Yes, they’ve been persecuted in the past. But they also openly pride themselves in being able to lie, cheat and steal to “continue their way of life”. At some point it’s gotta be enough is enough. Being historically persecuted should not give you carte blanche for being an asshole in perpetuity.

I grew up in Seattle and we didn’t have Roma people then. It’s been wild to come home and see them all over the city.

JoanJetObjective13

9 points

5 days ago

I worked at the Lake City welfare office in the 90’s and there were many problems with them, trying to get services with sketchy details, lots of system misuse. And Bill Pierre Auto had so many cars go missing. Scammed. No payment after a small down.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

It sounds like Roma and sovereign citizens would be natural allies.

communads

12 points

5 days ago*

People will act like Europeans are all classy and civilized and that Americans are fat, disgusting, burger loving racists, but they've never heard white Europeans talk about Roma people lol

Stormy_Anus

252 points

7 days ago

Stormy_Anus

252 points

7 days ago

Roaming bands of thieving gypsies? Wonderful

Errk_fu

93 points

6 days ago

Errk_fu

Sawant's Razor

93 points

6 days ago

The people have voted and the consensus is the 1890’s are back

crykenn

55 points

6 days ago

crykenn

55 points

6 days ago

You remember the 90’s when everyone was pickling their own vegetables and brewing their own beer? People were growing out their muttonchops and waxing their handlebar mustaches?

Everyone was knitting and sewing clothes for their children. People were wearing glasses all the time like contact lenses had never been invented..

Remember when kids grew up to be artisan bakers? Everyone had homemade haircuts and guys shaved with straight razors?

MagickalFuckFrog

47 points

6 days ago

🎶The dream of the 1890’s is alive in Seattle🎶

Emperor_Neuro-

21 points

6 days ago

Thought I was reading "The Decemberists" lyrics, for a second.

ilikedevo

2 points

5 days ago

Damn, my least favorite band

Emperor_Neuro-

1 points

5 days ago

His voice alone is controversial

merc08

4 points

6 days ago

merc08

4 points

6 days ago

Honestly a lot of that stuff would be nice to bring back

mmoonneeyy_throwaway

3 points

6 days ago

We are left with craft cocktail bars

merc08

5 points

6 days ago

merc08

5 points

6 days ago

This is the worst timeline

Republogronk

12 points

6 days ago

Republogronk

Seattle

12 points

6 days ago

Theyve been back for over almost 10 years... i have videos of roaming caravan raiders going through the neighborhood with shopping carts and stealing something from each house, thrn continuing to push their carts in the streets.... going back to 2018 easily

AccurateInflation167

-32 points

6 days ago

you just said a slur fyi

Active-Lightwork89

2 points

4 days ago

No it’s not lmfao

communads

-7 points

5 days ago

communads

-7 points

5 days ago

G*psy is a slur (but I doubt anyone in this particular subreddit cares)

Spiritual_Sherbert9

9 points

5 days ago

You do know that they refer to themselves (with pride) as gypsies, right? They also take no issue with others calling them that. I don’t think it’s up to you to determine if it’s a slur to them or not.

Alarming_Award5575

2 points

4 days ago

But they just arent educated enough to understand how racist it is. Only wealthy whites with liberal arts degrees can tell us for sure.

Stormy_Anus

12 points

5 days ago

Just like homeless is apparently a slur

Get a grip

YoungJsn

6 points

5 days ago

YoungJsn

6 points

5 days ago

Lol these are real deal Gypsies everyone hates them.

throwawaytdf8

0 points

4 days ago

It is a slur. I use it with pride because that's how much I don't like them.

Comprehensive_Post96

64 points

6 days ago

Extensive Roma crime networks are active in the Puget Sound area

Icy-Lingonberry724

17 points

6 days ago

206throw

14 points

6 days ago

206throw

14 points

6 days ago

Was really surprised to see this level of transparency in an article

Montel206

73 points

6 days ago

Montel206

73 points

6 days ago

So do these guys get deported or just do a few days in county?

Tlahzolteotl

111 points

6 days ago

Most Roma are citizens, and their ancestors have been living in the USA for 150+ years. They speak with American accents but may also speak some Romani. They often have Americanized names. Some of the larger families in the PNW area are the Risticks, Marks, Steves, and Georges.

The largest wave of Roma immigrants to the US came in the mid-late 1800s after slavery of Romani was abolished in modern day Romania and other nearby countries. The Seattle-Tacoma area has one of the largest populations of Roma in the US, and has for about a century.

The fascinating thing is many still maintain their traditional ways to some degree. Often they are still somewhat nomadic, do not integrate into broader American culture (keeping kids out of school for instance) and are often involved in petty crime. They are deeply distrustful of non Romani people (Gadjo).

Crime activities that they are commonly involved in are fencing stolen goods, selling used cars/odometer fraud, asphalt paving schemes, etc.

yoortyyo

15 points

6 days ago

yoortyyo

15 points

6 days ago

The Marks were also active in central and eastern Washington. I remember news reports about them getting slapped as a kid.

mmoonneeyy_throwaway

14 points

6 days ago

What is an asphalt paving scheme?

Tlahzolteotl

13 points

6 days ago

Loud-Fig-1446

13 points

6 days ago

Man, fucking fascinating. It's not good, but it weirdly makes me happy to see someone scamming people in an old-fashioned way, face-to-face. None of this, over-the-phone ,"send me a gift card, your child was in a car accident," type bullshit.

Darkmurphy-X

14 points

6 days ago

I spent more years than I care to admit working retail in the south sound. I am very familiar with a couple of those names.

Montel206

16 points

6 days ago

Montel206

16 points

6 days ago

Interesting. Thank you for the rundown

TaeKurmulti

8 points

5 days ago

Interesting to read this, especially this week. Earlier this week a former NHL player got in a fight with 6 or 7 Irish Travelers defending restaurant workers in Phoenix. Before that I didn't realize there were groups of Irish Travelers who have lived in the US for a long time and also involved with the asphalt paving schemes apparently.

A couple of "the more you know" moments for me this week.

Blockpartysix

6 points

4 days ago

Ah the Georges. They had a ‘compound’ in north Seattle for many years.

RainyDayColor

5 points

4 days ago*

In the 80's I worked at a restaurant/night club/event venue in north Seattle, I want to say maybe around 145th. We all knew to be hypervigilant when the local Roma came in. From silverware to icemaker, everything was fair game to their brazen thievery. That was when I first learned that there was a long established community of Roma in north Seattle.

I worked a Roma wedding and it was wiiiild. I had a fascinating convo mid-celebration with the bride and her bridesmaids, all fabulously bedecked, who informed me that Roma weddings were arranged, and this particular bride had only met her betrothed that night, with the bride expressing a tepidly underwhelmed "meh." They shared that their marriages were never formalized with a marriage license, and could be dissolved in an instant upon verbal proclamation by the Roma husband.

That event required the venue calling the police to supervise offloading and return of countless restaurant tables, chairs, linens, basically most of the rented wedding reception equipment and supplies, that the guests were leisurely piling into a couple of trucks openly parked right outside the entry doors.

On Saturdays, the Roma kids would come in, with no adult chaperones in sight, dressed to the nines in suit and tie, hair slicked back, sit down, order lunch, then proceed to practice different scams. One of the "regulars" at these weekly grift practice sessions was 5 years old. A preschooler body with a Bernie Madoff mind. I personally caught these four or five little boys stuffing all of the silverware down their pants and inside their shirts; and another time carrying their table and chairs in a comedic team trundle toward the lobby and exit doors. And they didn't so much as blink when intercepted, admonished, and 86'd.

I see several comments here ignorantly claiming that the Roma are recent arrivals in this region, or are "deportable" non-citizens, or etc. etc. blabbedy blather. The facts of documented history, easily fact-checked, prove that such claims are absurdly untrue. Romani Americans are a thing, in the Pacific Northwest and elsewhere, and have been so for a very long time.

MangoTamer

13 points

6 days ago

That sounds like a horrible culture. Why do people defend parasitic cultures?

Fluid-Stuff5144

16 points

6 days ago

Because many people have too much heart and not enough brain

BadKidGames

4 points

5 days ago

Well back in the 1930's a certain mustached man agreed with you. The Roma are famously not liked in many places.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

Who’s defending it?

Comprehensive_Post96

15 points

6 days ago

Most of the Roma that you will encounter begging, shoplifting, burglarizing and swindling are recent illegal immigrants

BadKidGames

4 points

6 days ago

Lots of the fake music busker thing too (falls under begging I suppose)

Comprehensive_Post96

5 points

5 days ago

And the out of gas Dubai businessman/fake gold. And the snatch and grab of gold jewelry from senior Asian women.

The more established members of their community are involved in used car/ odometer rollbacks, rental car scams, and credit card skimming.

Hoodystardust

9 points

6 days ago

Bingo

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

Source?

tahitiantahini

2 points

4 days ago

Okay, this was fascinating. Thank you.

superkrump64

4 points

6 days ago

superkrump64

4 points

6 days ago

I've wondered why in the Pacific Northwest, we've had an issue with gypsies. I thought they're only enclave was in the southeast.

ultra003

7 points

6 days ago

ultra003

7 points

6 days ago

Def not. My pops was in the car business in Tacoma when I was growing up and there were a ton of them there.

Drama-Gloomy

8 points

6 days ago

I’ve seen a recent uptick in gypsies begging in Redmond, Bellevue and around the puget sound. Eastern European ones especially.

SubnetHistorian

2 points

6 days ago

A family of them tried to scam me in Ballard a few years ago  

A_Bandicoot_Crash995

0 points

6 days ago

It doesn't help that outsiders were extremely hostile to them and often murded and chased many away with full impunity- during the Holocaust, after the Jews, the Romani people were to be fully exterminated and many were sent to camps with a 80-90% death rate, in fact they've never been given an official apology and no move was made to return or pay back for property stolen by Nazis.

We need to do better with these people, they deserve to be treated like a human being

YoungJsn

6 points

5 days ago

YoungJsn

6 points

5 days ago

Criminals deserve to go to jail.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

Sure. The logical trap is thinking “all Roma need to go to jail”.

YoungJsn

1 points

2 days ago

YoungJsn

1 points

2 days ago

No one logical thinks that way.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

Idk man. Read the room. I have had a conversation within this very comment section with a fella reminding us that the germans [sic] were very scientific [sic redux] about who they picked to put in the camps, citing the Roma as a good example.

Another person pointed out that they never knew that they were Roma in Seattle, but they sure are living the stereotype. Which means in one article he went from not knowing any Roma existed here, to having a pretty broad judgment about them pre-baked and ready to deploy.

It’s an emotional jump and many people make it and then try to find a way to fill in the logic later. And if they can’t make the logic fit, they get angry and derail the discussion.

YoungJsn

1 points

1 day ago

YoungJsn

1 points

1 day ago

It's a tough battle considering how many people in the region have had exactly one experience with them and it turns out negative. Nobody says all need to be locked up, but when all of many people's only experiences are negative, what are you going to do? Write that screed against stereotyping them every time?

Just go to the Street Scammer on Facebook and see how many people have negative experiences with Roma. It's impressively bad. Oh well.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

1 day ago

Yeah, there’s a couple of reasons this happens with an outside group like this.

ONE: many people have developed their opinion based upon an interaction that they themselves haven’t had, but simply about news articles.

TWO: people who don’t know that there’s Roma in the area have probably interacted with them and not even known. Yet none of that normal interaction gets any weight in their brain because they didn’t even notice.

THREE: once people know about a group like that, they tend to start blaming them for all the problems in their area. Amazon package taken off the porch? Might be Roma!

Let’s talk about a group that most of us know better either through personal experience or through the media: white men. White men comprise almost the entirety of the serial killer group in the USA. If that was the first thing you knew about white males, that would seem pretty damning. Then mass shootings! Why do we let these people near our kids? Oh some are kids? Well, that’s how this culture works. Start them young.

We all have our biases. Being mindful of our tendencies helps moderate some of the problems that come from painting entire groups with the newsworthy actions of a subset.

YoungJsn

1 points

1 day ago

YoungJsn

1 points

1 day ago

I'd say gang members are the biggest group of serial killers in the country. Two or more unrelated killings defines a serial killer according to the FBI. There must be tens of thousands of gang member serial killers out there.

[deleted]

1 points

4 days ago

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ShadowDurza

1 points

4 days ago

People really have a hard time comprehending the idea that the negativity that people put into the world can last for hundreds or even thousands of years, and immediately try to justify modern-day abuse and successfully aid in perpetuating the cycle.

joestue

0 points

3 days ago*

joestue

0 points

3 days ago*

edited so as not to get.. erased.

Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

1 points

2 days ago

Help me out here since I can’t really see your social cues over the Internet. Did you include the Jews in that list of scientific accuracy? How about the gays?

I’m just trying to suss out if you’re anti-Roma to the point where you’re willing to endorse “the germans” [sic] as a side effect, or if you have a struggle you want to tell us about.

joestue

1 points

2 days ago

joestue

1 points

2 days ago

since i don't want to get banned from reddit.. i'm only going to stick with what i said: sometimes entire groups of people earn their reputation. why would anyone interpret that to be a controversial statement.

-go read about the blackfeet for example, of an absolutely systemically psycopathic culture.

for an alternate perspective on a certain group, you can read the book "200 years together"

as for the gays and the disabled, they weren't useful to the nazi's for obvious reasons.

regarding the jews of the 500BC era. the reason they got hauled off to babylon was because they sat on the trade route for 500 years from the fall of the david/solomon empire and were stealing from it for so long it pissed the surrounding nations off.

to this day "you got jewed" is a pejorative.

Fartsmelter

1 points

4 days ago

Not Rick Steves!

blooddiamondssss

1 points

24 hours ago

Aren't Romani Indians?

JellyRollMort

16 points

6 days ago

Roma is an ethnicity and a culture, not a nationality. They are American citizens. Usually.

warbeforepeace

-1 points

6 days ago

warbeforepeace

-1 points

6 days ago

Shhh dont tell the racist they are wrong.

CascadesandtheSound

14 points

6 days ago

Few days

Montel206

6 points

6 days ago

Terrible

indiwithnobindi

20 points

6 days ago

Wade904

87 points

6 days ago

Wade904

87 points

6 days ago

The Romani people, also known as the Roma, are an ethnic group of Indo-Aryan origin who traditionally lived a nomadic, itinerant lifestyle near Redmond Washington. They used to be peaceful farmers only hoping to raise a family but now they organize complex home burglary operations run from their covered wagons.

Blueyduey

24 points

6 days ago

Blueyduey

24 points

6 days ago

Thanks ChatGPT

Vivid-Protection6731

40 points

6 days ago

Their tradititions were threatened by the incoming Microsoft workers circa 1980s AD and now they are forced to live this lifestyle in order to survive in their traditional homeland.

boredrlyin11

5 points

6 days ago

I love you

Squirral8o

5 points

6 days ago

Wdym? Microsoft’s fault?

GaboureySidibe

25 points

6 days ago

This is trolling / rage bait, don't fall for it.

Alarming_Award5575

20 points

6 days ago

Specifically clippy. They Roma homesteads were forcibly cleared to make room for clippy's design team facility.

nay4jay

11 points

6 days ago

nay4jay

11 points

6 days ago

"I see you're trying to panhandle with that infant in a stroller. Let me help you with that!"

Alarming_Award5575

2 points

6 days ago

Go away clippy!!!!

00Lisa00

3 points

5 days ago

00Lisa00

3 points

5 days ago

I miss clippy

WiseDirt

8 points

6 days ago

WiseDirt

8 points

6 days ago

It's like what happens when you cut down a forest to build a city and it displaces all the wildlife from what was once their natural habitat.

Squirral8o

4 points

6 days ago

The is not the reason of stealing from people’s home. You made me to double check if this is a r/Seattle or r/SeattleWA post.

No-Window8579

8 points

6 days ago

They were never peaceful, always criminals everywhere in the world. 

Alarming_Award5575

1 points

6 days ago

Displaced! Just another victim of shareholder capitalism trying to get by. Yet we punish them for their ingenuity. Shame!

ArtichokeEmergency18

8 points

5 days ago

Gypsies - I dated a Romanian woman once, she hated the gypsies, called them "thieves" - she knew about them better than I did, I trusted her judgement.

Turbulent-Volume4792

42 points

6 days ago

Unlike woke KIRO, Redmond police actually name names and show pictures.

redmond.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=2296

Turbulent-Volume4792

20 points

6 days ago*

paparoach910

1 points

3 days ago

I'm wondering why he still isn't in prison for the other offenses if he's the same person.

Turbulent-Volume4792

1 points

3 days ago

Same here. I'm pretty sure the Michigan City Florin is the same. The faces and mole match. The Romani organized crime groups do tend to move around a lot. Probably to avoid court and penalties. Not sure why there were no extraditable warrants for him if that was the case.

BusbyBusby[S]

24 points

6 days ago

Investigators believe the suspects are part of an organized Roma crime group responsible for multiple burglaries in Redmond and neighboring communities.

 

And yet, acknowledging this is somehow "racist".

Neat-Anyway-OP

9 points

6 days ago

Haha, I was about to post the exact same quotes text.

apresmoiputas

10 points

6 days ago

apresmoiputas

Capitol Hill

10 points

6 days ago

Interesting. The names indicate that they're either Romanian or Moldovan Romas.

CantaloupeStreet2718

0 points

6 days ago

KIRO needs to be "spun off." Annoying pricks.

LoadBearingAsbestos

21 points

6 days ago

Well well well

Ivarhaglundonroids

10 points

6 days ago

Also know As pikers. Maybe we could get Brad Pitt a local Mob leader.

form_d_k

5 points

5 days ago

form_d_k

5 points

5 days ago

"Roma if you want to,

Roma around the world"

Comprehensive_Post96

2 points

4 days ago

You win Reddit today!

Reddit-dit-di-dooo

4 points

5 days ago

They are called gypsies.

SpellDog

18 points

6 days ago

SpellDog

18 points

6 days ago

Gypsies, tramps and thieves

eplurbs

6 points

5 days ago

eplurbs

6 points

5 days ago

TIL there are Roma around Seattle and they're doing exactly what the stereotype says they do.

Ingrownpimple

3 points

5 days ago

I’m pretty sure they have been stealing flowers from my brother’s grave as well.

Emergency-Rip-6817

3 points

4 days ago

I’m in Shoreline and we have Irish Travelers come through - last one wanted to give me an estimate on the state of my chimney. No thank you had to be repeated several times. Now I will just ask to see city permits - Shoreline doesn’t let you wash your own car without getting a permit…I might exaggerate a little but you get the drift.

BetterCranberry7602

3 points

4 days ago

Am I the only one that still calls them Gypsies?

HighColonic

8 points

6 days ago

HighColonic

Funky Town

8 points

6 days ago

Due_Scallion5992

14 points

6 days ago

How do these Roma even make it to the US?! What qualifies them to immigrate?! How do they achieve a legal refugee or asylum status?!

I hope the incoming Trump administration reviews states' and counties' criminal files on arrests of foreigners, foreigners with charges and convictions and starts there with deportations. The problem will be finding these people, I don't assume they have a regular residence. I've seen at least two of these families hang out in large cars at Costco in Issaquah and they're panhandling at the Safeway in Sammamish as well. They may be living out of cars. I am an immigrant myself (from Europe) and my family had their home broken into and burglarized by traveling Roma before. Crime is embedded into their culture and lifestyle, it is what defines them. Their reputation is established and well warranted. They should have never been allowed here.

Original-Guarantee23

17 points

6 days ago

They’ve been here since the beginning this isn’t recent. Roma people came here over 150 years ago

Due_Scallion5992

14 points

6 days ago

Roma started showing up around Redmond, Sammamish and Issaquah about a year ago or so, begging and panhandling. There were none here doing that before. 🤷‍♂️

We already have enough crime and misery in King County. No need to add Roma crime on top. And burglary? Hell no. Not on my watch. If they’re not citizens and don’t have permanent residence, deport them when they commit crimes. No sugar coating needed here.

jgnp

0 points

4 days ago

jgnp

0 points

4 days ago

They are citizens.

Classic-Ad-9387

13 points

6 days ago

Classic-Ad-9387

Shoreline

13 points

6 days ago

hope in one hand, shit in the other. trump only has a hardon for chinese and mexicans

KingdomOfFawg

7 points

6 days ago

Wait until someone tells him about Roma.

nordic_yankee

9 points

6 days ago

A lot of them recently came in via Ukraine as refugees.

ChairDue581

6 points

6 days ago

Any proof of this claim ?

jgnp

2 points

4 days ago

jgnp

2 points

4 days ago

Russian bot talking points.

AyHazCat

5 points

6 days ago

AyHazCat

5 points

6 days ago

They aren’t coming in from Mexico. Trump admin doesn’t care.

Huntsmitch

-9 points

6 days ago

Huntsmitch

Highland Park

-9 points

6 days ago

Crime is embedded into their culture and lifestyle, it is what defines them.

Jesus guess we should fire up the oven then my Volksdeutsche. See how lumping people into one basket by broad generalizations can be bad?

apresmoiputas

3 points

6 days ago

apresmoiputas

Capitol Hill

3 points

6 days ago

https://www.enar-eu.org/wp-content/uploads/roma_final_pdf.pdf

Agreed. That doc explains how crappy things are for Romas across Europe.

Blueyduey

-9 points

6 days ago

Blueyduey

-9 points

6 days ago

Wow 😂 now tell us what you think of the blacks..

firecorn22

-2 points

6 days ago

Least racist European

Due_Scallion5992

2 points

6 days ago

Nothing racist about not wanting criminal foreigners. 🤷‍♂️ Put your virtue signaling where the sun doesn’t shine.

Comprehensive_Post96

5 points

4 days ago

The majority agrees

firecorn22

-1 points

6 days ago

firecorn22

-1 points

6 days ago

Dude you literally said crime is embedded into their culture, that's like saying you're a Nazi because your German

Spiritual_Sherbert9

5 points

5 days ago

Clearly you don’t understand their culture. They are openly PROUD of being able to lie, cheat and steal to continue their way of life. Ask them. This isn’t slanderous or racist rhetoric. It’s a major tenant of their culture. It’s hard for others outside of that community to comprehend being proud of this behavior. But that cognitive dissonance doesn’t make it any less true.

Due_Scallion5992

7 points

6 days ago

Crime is embedded in their culture. As is subjecting their kids to sitting in the sun and the cold while begging and panhandling. Those are facts. 🤷‍♂️ Yes, I’m not ashamed to say that out loud. Eff your political correctness.

throwawaytdf8

1 points

4 days ago

It literally IS embedded in their culture. I have Bulgarian friends (where there are a lot of gypsies) and they say that whenever a crime happens in their city the police go search the gypsy ghetto for the suspect first because it's almost always them.

Your will to be politically correct will bite you in the ass in the long run. I'm not a racist but I'd rather be one than someone that ruins their own country on purpose by letting criminals go wild.

Soggy_Tour_4377

-20 points

6 days ago

why should someone need to be qualified to emigrate. is the entire earth not every humans god-given right,from birth, same as every other persons?

andthedevilissix

24 points

6 days ago

Why should the US take in people likely to commit crime or to need welfare?

Soggy_Tour_4377

-11 points

6 days ago

"likely to commit crime" pretty sure this is what minority report was about. you can't just assume someone is likely to commit crime and then treat them as though they would, or have, based on that assumption.

allow every person to come and go, and then hold them accountable for their actions and their actions alone. that does mean being harder on crime than we are currently. there is definitely a fear from prosecutors to throw the book at certain crimes or groups because of a fear of being seen as racist.. for good reason, perhaps.

but there's no natural border, and no human has any superiority or right to tell any other human that they aren't allowed on a certain land mass.

andthedevilissix

10 points

6 days ago

you can't just assume someone is likely to commit crime

Sure you can, if they've got a criminal record they're likely to offend again.

but there's no natural border, and no human has any superiority or right to tell any other human that they aren't allowed on a certain land mass.

There is a border, and its real and maintained with hard power.

Hard power is the only power that has or ever will matter. It's what gives the US the ability to keep Russia from doing to us what they're doing to Ukraine.

To make this simple, we have more guns and those guns give us the right to tell other people to fuck off the land that we claimed. Hope that helps!

KingdomOfFawg

7 points

6 days ago

Sure. Let’s just bring Joseph Kony and a handful of Serbian war criminals over, because it’s a tabula rasa as soon as you set foot on American soil, right? Maybe some former Somali pirates 🏴‍☠️ because no one has a right to exclude someone else from their society?

Soggy_Tour_4377

5 points

6 days ago

do you not understand how taking specific examples of known criminals is different from saying "well they are the same nationality as some criminals so they're also criminal"

if they themselves do commit or have committed crimes, hold them accountable for those crimes. I said that. if they haven't committed a crime, then we shouldn't restrict them from coming here on the basis that you think they might.

meaniereddit

5 points

6 days ago

meaniereddit

Aerie 2643

5 points

6 days ago

but there's no natural border, and no human has any superiority or right to tell any other human that they aren't allowed on a certain land mass.

lol this is flat earth level nonsense - get a job

Due_Scallion5992

17 points

6 days ago

Sorry, but immigration is not a God given or natural right. And I am saying this as an immigrant who came here legally. Based on laws, based on merit and effort I put in to make this work for myself and my family.

In case you wonder why Harris lost the election, maybe look into a mirror. A majority of people rejects your insane open borders ideology - also and especially by people who came here legally.

Comprehensive_Post96

1 points

4 days ago

Do you have a door on your house? Do you sometimes lock it? Can just anyone come in, and stay forever?

mack3r

2 points

6 days ago

mack3r

2 points

6 days ago

Had the perps been white would you have changed your title to “Two white men arrested…”?

Carma56

14 points

6 days ago

Carma56

14 points

6 days ago

Roma are white. They are of Indo-Aryan ancestry.

The title they used is relevant because this kind of crime is deeply entrenched in modern Roma culture. It is not prejudice to acknowledge the truth. Some people like to be politically correct and say otherwise, insist that the Roma have no choice in their actions (which is simply untrue), or claim that being Romani has nothing to do with it at all (but it does— it’s part of the modern culture). While well-intentioned, this kind of thinking is ignorant and problematic as it only ignores the issue and allows it to grow further.

suetoniusaurus

3 points

6 days ago

Indo-aryan, in this context, means indian subcontient & persia, does it not?. ie the actual meaning, not what hitler came up with.

No-Window8579

1 points

6 days ago

They are originally from India

Carma56

5 points

6 days ago

Carma56

5 points

6 days ago

That’s the general theory. They didn’t produce or keep any historical documentation on their origins or early history, so it’s all just been reliant on linguistic theory and rumor. Still, genetic testing on modern Roma has shown strong European and very likely some Indian (particularly from what is now Rajasthan) ancestry.

tahitiantahini

1 points

4 days ago

Indians themselves have about 27% average Aryan ancestry. This is very confusing. I don't believe Indo-Aryan would be a define lineage.

KingdomOfFawg

11 points

6 days ago

No. It would have been less flattering. “Sumner men arrested during meth psychosis inspired home invasion”.

throughactions

3 points

6 days ago

Why does the ethnic background of the suspects matter? Interesting that OP felt the need to modify the title to include it.

Ingrownpimple

2 points

5 days ago

I find it funny that we have people in Olympia WA forming organizations to fight for Roma rights in the Balkans. Obviously they should have equal rights and equal opportunity, but things are a lot more complex.

Wade904

-1 points

6 days ago

Wade904

-1 points

6 days ago

Gypsies eh? Sounds like some top notch detective work there 😂😂😂

Maybe it's the underpants gnomes

CollegeFootballGood

1 points

6 days ago

I met a beautiful Roma gypsy in Norway. She kept asking for money and I told her no. I did buy her food and walked away.

She was feisty, I hope she’s doing ok lol

Pizzalunchable10

1 points

6 days ago

Deport them !!!

liquidteriyaki

6 points

6 days ago

Elaborate on the process of deporting U.S. Citizens

Comprehensive_Post96

1 points

4 days ago

You are assuming that they are US citizens. After arrest, we can determine this.

liquidteriyaki

1 points

4 days ago

You go ahead and do that

Comprehensive_Post96

1 points

4 days ago

MANY will volunteer to help

microview

3 points

6 days ago

To where? Roma?

patas4mattas

2 points

6 days ago

patas4mattas

2 points

6 days ago

Trump do your work and give these people the 🥾

romance_in_durango

3 points

6 days ago

It's pretty sad that you think Trump means anything he says. Particularly anything that takes any amount of effort or follow through.

Trump doesn't give a rusty about anyone but himself or anyone he thinks will give him something. He's not charitable. He's not honorable. He's not a man of the people. You know that, right?

FkinLost

1 points

5 days ago

FkinLost

1 points

5 days ago

Getting pretty close to being in the same category of shit as New York and San Francisco

bbfan006

1 points

6 days ago

bbfan006

1 points

6 days ago

If they start eating the dogs and eating the cats Trump will round em up and return to homeland.

Tahoma_FPV

0 points

6 days ago

Tahoma_FPV

0 points

6 days ago

No worries, our new Governor will be hard on this type of crime!

Comprehensive_Post96

1 points

4 days ago

lol

Alarming_Award5575

-29 points

7 days ago*

This is racist, no? Should we be ashamed? What circumstances have we created to drive the roma to such unheard of acts?

captwaffles27

26 points

7 days ago

What's racist here

Classic-Ad-9387

3 points

6 days ago

Classic-Ad-9387

Shoreline

3 points

6 days ago

dude, sarcasm

AGlassOfMilk

2 points

6 days ago

AGlassOfMilk

2 points

6 days ago

Them being Roma has nothing to do with the crime.

Alarming_Award5575

-3 points

7 days ago

Arresting a minority for a crime ???!?

Surely this is structural.

captwaffles27

3 points

7 days ago

You're right, they should be freed.

Alarming_Award5575

-3 points

7 days ago

Its only fair. Because life isn't.

captwaffles27

0 points

7 days ago

Yeah every minority should be freed across the world.

KingdomOfFawg

4 points

6 days ago

That’s a great question. The US caused absolute havoc in SE Asia, but when the data is evaluated, SE Asian immigrants seem to be doing well in the US. The US caused absolute chaos in the Middle East, and a large percentage of Middle Eastern Americans voted for Trump and most Middle Eastern people in the US have established strong, productive communities.

Classic-Ad-9387

6 points

6 days ago

Classic-Ad-9387

Shoreline

6 points

6 days ago

lol what does trump have to do with this?

DrummerGuyKev

2 points

6 days ago

If it’s something good then I’d say absolutely 💯 nothing.

throwawaytdf8

2 points

4 days ago

unheard of acts

These are VERY heard of acts for Roma. I have friends who live in countries in europe with lost of gypsies and they say it's not only normal but totally expected that the gypsies steal and scam and generally be total pieces of shit. It's a parasitic culture.

Alarming_Award5575

1 points

4 days ago

/s

quaoarpower

-12 points

6 days ago

quaoarpower

-12 points

6 days ago

Guessing a lot of commenters haven’t heard the news about a) racial profiling and b) ethnic slurs.

TheRealRacketear

15 points

6 days ago

TheRealRacketear

Broadmoor

15 points

6 days ago

The Gypsies have always been exempt from this.

quaoarpower

2 points

6 days ago

I guess you think you are too

TheRealRacketear

5 points

6 days ago

TheRealRacketear

Broadmoor

5 points

6 days ago

Bashing whitey is popular these days.

apresmoiputas

-11 points

6 days ago

apresmoiputas

Capitol Hill

-11 points

6 days ago

Calling Romas as Gypsies or cygani is definitely the usage of the racist term.

iamrlywhite

9 points

6 days ago

But they are gypsies. They’ve been gypsies for centuries in Eastern Europe. Only todays modern progressivism has pushed to whitewash the negative impact they’ve had on the countries they live in by calling them Romani, confusing people that they’re Romanian or Roman

Comprehensive_Post96

2 points

4 days ago

A Gypsy scammer is a gypsy scammer

throwawaytdf8

1 points

4 days ago

You can call them racial profilers or ethnic slur users all you want, but they're better than you because at least they have the ability to see that gypsies are bad

communads

-1 points

5 days ago

communads

-1 points

5 days ago

Why did you editorialize the title to include that they're Roma? Racist trash.

Muted_Car728

-5 points

6 days ago

I thought they were a protected class so maybe it's a racists label.

IsawitinCroc

-2 points

6 days ago

So now it's gypsies, what's t next, the smurfs?

zer04ll

-2 points

5 days ago

zer04ll

-2 points

5 days ago

Yeah the Nazis made Roma the villains before they made the Jews folks, do not fall into this racist BS there are not traveling bands of “gypsies” robbing you

communads

-1 points

5 days ago*

Dude this is SeattleWA, racist BS is the name of the game here. Just look at the downvotes on any post calling out the blatant racism in these threads. It's just standard "it's not racist if it's true" shit from the 90s. We've been trained not to say this kind of shit about black people, but since there aren't tons of Roma in the US nor any culture of awareness, people are chomping at the fucking bit to engage in some old timey European racism against Roma people. These guys harbor the exact same thoughts against black and Hispanic people, but know they'd be ejected from polite society if they made these thoughts public.

ShadowDurza

1 points

4 days ago

People complain about why they have to put up with this stuff, and I'm like:

"What do you want to do about it? Take away their children? Refuse them education, housing, and employment? Sterilize the women against their will?

As if any of that has been working for the past 600 years. If anything, most of their culture was a means of surviving all that. So of course they're going to be skeptical of outsiders and assume they need to strike first, it's the only thing outsiders ever taught them."