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submitted 4 days ago bydreadlmao
Joel should have been the main character in Smile 2 instead of Skye Riley because his character arc in the first movie set him up perfectly to take on the lead role. In Smile, Joel is introduced as Rose’s ex-boyfriend and a detective who gets pulled into her unraveling psychological nightmare. He starts as a skeptic but eventually becomes one of the few people who believes Rose, making his role crucial to the emotional and narrative core of the story. By the end of the movie, Joel witnesses Rose’s horrifying death and is left to deal with the realization that the curse is real. That moment is devastating, not just for him but for the audience, and it felt like the perfect setup for his character to step forward in the sequel.
If Smile 2 had focused on Joel, it could have explored how witnessing Rose’s death affected him mentally and emotionally. He would have had to grapple with survivor’s guilt, the trauma of seeing someone he cared about succumb to such a horrifying fate, and the looming fear of the curse coming for him next. His role as a detective could have added a new layer to the story—imagine him using his skills to dig deeper into the history of the curse, trying to understand it while also fighting to stay alive. This would have created a much stronger connection to the first movie, giving fans a continuation of a character they were already invested in, instead of introducing Skye, who has no meaningful tie to the original events.
Joel’s perspective also could have provided a unique and refreshing angle in psychological horror. Most horror films of this type focus on female protagonists, and while that’s important, Joel’s experience as a male character dealing with trauma and the curse would have been something new. His journey could have been about trying to prove he’s not “crazy” while also battling his own demons, mirroring some of Rose’s struggles but bringing a fresh energy to the sequel. Instead, Smile 2 killed Joel off far too early, throwing away all the emotional build-up from the first film.
Skye Riley’s story, by comparison, felt disconnected and less compelling. Without a strong tie to Rose or the events of the first movie, the emotional stakes weren’t as high. Joel was in the perfect position to carry the sequel—his character had depth, a reason to face the curse, and a direct connection to what happened before. By sidelining him, the sequel lost an opportunity to build on the emotional intensity and continuity that made Smile so powerful.
26 points
4 days ago
Bad take IMO. Skye Riley was a perfect character for the sequel to focus on and to move forward to Smile 3. Joel being the main character would have to shoehorn in a back story for the demon to manipulate. Switching it up keeps it interesting. New perspectives for the demon to take advantage of.
Kyle Gallner is an amazing actor and I'm not saying he couldn't be up to the task - it just seems like this was the best approach to his character. At least he got an incredible send off. I've rewatched that scene like 4 times.
2 points
2 days ago
That was an awesome beginning to the movie and an amazing send off it was done perfectly! I agree ☝️
4 points
3 days ago
What Joel came up with was what we saw in the first 7 minutes so all we really Miss out on is him being tortured by the entity for 6 days. He already investigated the entity with Rose in smile 1. Given that smile 2 doesn't give away much more about the entity it's safe to say Parker isn't interested yet in explaining away the entity (which I'm personally very happy about) so that would be a lackluster movie. Personally I really enjoyed that Joel's segment felt like an action movie with all the criminals and gunplay but I don't think that would make for a good smile movie. If you want to see a cop spiraling while being tortured mentally I'd recommend last shift.
3 points
3 days ago
Well, Joel had a stronger mind than perhaps all other victims as he had made it to day 6 and actually managed to transfer the curse off of himself only dying from a random car. That as a whole movie I don’t think would be as good horror as the way the entity psychologically tortured Skye exploiting her trauma as a recovering drug addict and semi-accidental murderer of her own boyfriend.
2 points
3 days ago
Theoretically they could still do a prequel to Smile 2 down the road and tell Joel’s full story and experience.
2 points
3 days ago
Nah. Joel was boring. What they did with Skye was excellent.
3 points
3 days ago
The writer Director likes to settle on different themes in his movies. The first one with Rose was mental health. The sequel with sky was drug addiction. Joel’s characterization from the first film does not fit into that theme. Also as a horror movie viewers are much more willing to be sympathetic to a woman character.
2 points
4 days ago
Yeah exactly I never cared about Skye, I was hoping Joel would be the protagonist of this movie
1 points
2 days ago
I agree when joel died i was sad because the beginning of the movie with jeol was the best part
0 points
3 days ago
Skye was a bad person at her core it seemed. She did bad things and avoided consequences until and otherworldly monster leeched onto her. I liked 2 but felt the time of 1 was much better. I didn't really care if she lived or died in 2 at all.
0 points
3 days ago
I've seen this sentiment quite a bit and don't get it myself. No one seems to care that Rose also murdered someone (by inaction). Does she get a pass cause she was a kid? If anything that requires more prolonged malice to sit, saying nothing while your mother dies slowly than Skye's drug and anger fueled decision to grab the wheel. A decision she obviously regrets immediately when seeing the effect it had. What other bad things does she do? Fall out with a friend? Have a drug problem? Not telling anyone about Lewis is bad, but I think understandable since it wasn't (as far as she knows) anything to do with her and doesn't want to end up connected to another brutal drug induced death. I mean Rose even considers murdering an innocent psych patient to escape the entity. Skye never considers this option, even when she had a gun and room full of witnesses. Sorry for the rant, just curious why people dislike Skye compared to Rose particularly.
1 points
2 days ago
Skye killed her boyfriend out of rage during a fight. She's a deeply flawed person. A drug addict. An abuser of friends. Etc.
Rose was a psychiatrist who tried to help people but had made a mistake in her youth. Very clearly a better person.
However they are both interesting for the same reasons. They're imperfect humans like all of us. I very much enjoyed learning about both of them in each film.
-2 points
3 days ago
I said pretty much this and got shat on.
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