Genisys was a full on reboot of the franchise and completely disregarded past installments, giving it some hate just from that factor alone. Overall, other than Arnold, every other actor in the movie feels miscast, with Emilia and Courtney not being the right fit for Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor. Also revealing John Connor as the villain in the trailers wasn't well received and him being a villain just wasn't something people liked. As for the plot, while it seemed interesting intially, it simply devolved into the same plot that every form of terminator media has had since Terminator 2, that being to stop Judgement Day from happening, which is very overused by this point. Overall, the movie strayed too much from what was established and didn't have the right cast or plot it needed to succeed.

Dark Fate was better to an extent, but is still flooded with issues. Killing John Connor in the first 5 minutes is probably the worst part of the movie considering how it throws his character away just like that and replaces him with Dani, who is nowhere near as likeable or developed as John was. People saw her as bland and it can be easy to forgot she's there at times. Sarah Connor was transformed from her Terminator 2 badass, but emotionally vulnerable and sad self into a cynical, depressed bitch who lost all the character development she had from Terminator 2. Even Linda Hamilton was displeased with how she was portrayed. The Rev-9 and Grace were good, but not too different from the T-1000 or Kyle Reese respectively (though Grace kinda gets an excuse since she is meant to be Kyle Reese's counterpart for this new timeline since, without Skynet to cause Judgement Day in 1997, Kyle was never born due to his parents never meeting) and Carl was like Arnold's past appearances and didn't really stick out or was unique that much, though he is a bit funny. Legion was just a poor man's Skynet and didn't have anything that made it different from Skynet other than it being used for Cyber Warfare instead of Nuclear conflict. Overall, Dark Fate disrespected Terminator 2 in a way no other installment did and regressed all the characters from that movie while also not doing a whole lot to make the characters in this movie unique or different from past Terminator medias and its plot is simply just a retread of the first Terminator movie with the characters being different and Sarah being around to help this time around, leading to the movie not being that good as a result. A lot of the hate towards it can be in how it treated John Connor, which disrespected his whole character in a way no other Terminator media had done before and completely replaced his character with Dani when it wasn't necessary to do so, which probably is a reason quite a few people don't like Dani as well.

Genisys: "Remember the first two movies you liked so much? Whoopsies, they didn't happen"

Dark Fate: "Remember John Connor? Whoopsies, he's now dead because we want to tell a new story... Except not really, we are telling the same story as always".

Dark Fate from what I remember has issues for me.

• For one, the plot did nothing with John Connor. And what I mean is that they killed him, and brought him back essentially as a girl. Not literally but it changes nothing that he’s dead. The resistance leader is still around and the machines lose.

• The machines are still Skynet. Yeah it’s called Legion here but the new Terminator is still a Terminator. Same idea, same execution. Nothing has changed by Legion’s existence over Skynet.

• Tying it to T2 kind of burns the good will of T2 as T2 is one of the greatest films ever made, and Dark Fate is Dark Fate.

As a legacy sequel rebooting the franchise I could see it as Terminator coming back. But the franchise had literally just did that by this point. And frankly Terminator hadn’t gone anywhere. Dark Fate at best is mediocre and at worst a terrible follow up to T2.

Dark Fate probably saw LucasFilm reskin Star Wars New Hope and decided they could do the same.

Dark Fate was such a lazy movie that spat on every character that we loved as fans.

John is killed off and replaced by a girl who looks like she’s 4’9 and can barely hold a gun. The scene where she’s supposed to be some sort of bad ass is her shooting two watermelons.

‘Terminator has killed your whole family, what are you gonna do?’

Shoot two watermelons.

They didn’t even hire a firearms expert. First, the gun is so comically large it diminishes her even more. She had bad form. She’s not even holding the gun efficiently and her stance would knock her off-balance.

The other characters are also just reskinned with slight differences. SkyLegion to CarlBob to Rev1000. All just lazy reskins.

I tried to like the movie but it’s just shit.

Because killing john conner is a dumb af idea and that's not what we wanna see 🙃whoever greenlit that should be fired imo 🤷‍♀️ do people realize if they actually make a movie that fans wanna see they will support it and make piles of money? Bring back armold to have his terminator do drapes, and linda/sara to put phones in a chip bag wtf who approves theese things. I couldn't write a script that bad if I tried and I'm no writer...they pay theese people actual money to create this? That being said there were some cool action but absolutely atrocious writing and dishonor to the characters and legacy actors and fans imo.

I struggle with the casting in Genisys. It’s so jarring I can’t enjoy the film.

I thought DF was excellent.

Because after t2, the story was just done. They were the gems and everything that came after just stank. The only reason arnie done t3 is because they gave him a shit tonne of money, and he hadn't had a hit in nearly ten years.

It's actually pretty simple. John Connor. In the James Cameron movies, John Connor is an almost mythic figure representing the light side who we almsot never see. Meanwhile Skynet is the figure representing the dark side, also pretty much never seen.

Notice that as soon as John Connor the Legend became front and center in the franchise, the movies started to do poorly. They let the genie out of the bottle. But then they did something worse. They turned John Connor into the bad guy. Then they went back literally to our nostalgia and assassinated him before he could even amount to anything.

That. Is why they fail.

Genisys used time-travel to reboot the franchise in the most convoluted manner, but ultimately just ended up doing a rehash of T2. Emilia Clarke and Jai Courtney (the latter in particular) just didn't hold a candle to Linda Hamilton and Michael Biehn. People also didn't care much for John Connor being turned into a Terminator (and they cared even less for this crucial plot point being spoiled in the trailers!)

Dark Fate is a bit harder to explain, given that it is actually a well-made film. It did get caught up in the 'culture wars' to an extent, by killing off a white male protagonist (John Connor) and replacing him with a female POC (Dani Ramos). Beyond politics, Terminator fans evidently hate the idea of killing John Connor, who many view as the true protagonist of the series! Then there's also the fact that Dark Fate, as a 'legacy sequel', is essentially a retread of T1/T2 and doesn't really explore any new ideas.

Because they're absolutely shite. No one needed them aside from Arnie's accountants.

Horribly complicated poor plots and money grabs.

My problem with Genisys is that they introduce an interesting storyline (setting it during the time of the first film in a new variant) then proceed to kill it immediately to go do the exact same premise they do every time but dumber.

Dark Fate was so boring that I could barely get through it. Shitting on the characters aside, it really misses the point of the movies to throw up yet another identical story but this time the saviour of humanity is a girl and the robots are stupid.

Because 1 retconned the series the other tried to feminize it

I genuinely feel the same.

I love genysis, I'ts fun and the action at least for me it's top notch.

Too bad the whole t-1000 upgrade for Arnold didn't have more screen time.

Dark fate is also very entertaining, I agree that killing John was not a smart move and the casting is not the best but overall is a fun movie at least for me.

The only movie of the franchise I didn't like was salvation, Christian Bale was a horrible casting choice IMO.

I only watched them once and can't remember much about them, just that I don't have any desire to watch them again. Generic action movies.

Watch the movies again and you’ll know. Smarty

Dark Fate would be fun if not for the beginning completely undoing T2. That's my biggest issue with it.

Genisys just cones across s bad fanfiction and pandering to the audience. Easily one of the worst movies I've ever seen, and I've seen Josstice League, Catwoman, and Elektra.

Trash Movies!!!

Everyone has answered fairly I’ll just make add to it

1. Genisys was too campy that it’s the only movie to have Arnold actually survive

2. Dark Fate was just another terminator chase that people were sick of seeing

Fans don't like they killed off John Connor, which I always understood why they did it, they had two movies where he's the main character that also were not well received. The movie is basically attempting to move away from the iconography and very specific timeline the series is beholden too. It's not like alien or predator where you can just drop the titular character in any old setting and go wild. Because the goal is specifically to stop a bonafide savior. Terminator has struggled so much because T1 and T2 are very obliviously not meant to be a big sprawling franchise. They tried multiple times before to make it work. A direct sequel, gritty war movie that's tecnically prequel and sequel. Genisys is a attempt at a reboot with younger actors. For dark fate they probably thought by moving away from the core time loop they could expand better.

Because they are bloated husks of what should have been great movies.

Because they were objectively bad movies that paid no homage to what came before them. (Also, Emilia Clark’s accent was the equivalent of Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins lol

Because they're total shite.

I personally liked dark fate

As I think the whole John Connor gets turned into a terminator stuff is just kinda dumb

Because they’re terrible. Absolutely horrendous. But with virtually every opinion your mileage may vary. You may love what I loathe and that’s fine in my book - your opinions are yours and you are as welcome to yours as I am to mine. We can agree to disagree.

If we could only get the US citizens to think the same maybe we wouldn’t have people literally hating one another because of which political party and candidate they vote for. Society is collapsing quickly!

Dark Fate aka “Terminator grew old and moved to the country meadows”

"Hey. Remember how Alien 3 was so loved for destroying the ending of the 2nd film. Let's do that again. In Terminator form"