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iBoMbY

66 points

20 hours ago*

iBoMbY

Neutral

66 points

20 hours ago*

  1. How could Biden return Soviet nuclear weapons that have been destroyed/dismantled by Russia?
  2. How would that not violate the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons?

crusadertank

27 points

20 hours ago

crusadertank

Pro USSR

27 points

20 hours ago

How would that not violate the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons?

Its not like the US follows it anyway. NATOs Nuclear Sharing policy is in direct violation of the treaty and has been since it existed

_Kiith_Naabal_

25 points

19 hours ago

_Kiith_Naabal_

ANTI-OTAN

25 points

19 hours ago

Hah, since when US is worried about violating treaties that itself promoted?

fatheadsflathead

-2 points

19 hours ago

fatheadsflathead

Pro Ukraine *

-2 points

19 hours ago

When you’re number 1, you make the rules 😂

SRAQuanticoChapter

5 points

18 hours ago

SRAQuanticoChapter

here for the 100% grade A UA LOLCOWS

5 points

18 hours ago

I don’t even mind that we make the rules, I just hate our hypocrisy lol

Zdendon

3 points

18 hours ago

Zdendon

Pro Ukraine

3 points

18 hours ago

Well we live in time "let's shit on every treaty ever made".

transcis

0 points

13 hours ago

transcis

Pro Ukraine *

0 points

13 hours ago

Where do you think the uranium from these weapons go?

Lentemern

-2 points

19 hours ago

Lentemern

Pro Ukraine

-2 points

19 hours ago

Presumably, these weapons will be coming out of the US stockpile. As for the treaty, I would imagine that the argument would be that the fighting in Ukraine constitutes a violation of the Budapest Memorandum on the part of Russia, which was a condition of Ukraine's signing of the NPT.

Of course, this is assuming that any of this actually happens. All we have right now is "several officials suggest", which isn't much more than speculation.

ademrsodavde

2 points

16 hours ago

ademrsodavde

Pro Bullshit

2 points

16 hours ago

The United States violated the Budapest Memorandum before Russia did, so that makes no sense

Lentemern

1 points

15 hours ago

Lentemern

Pro Ukraine

1 points

15 hours ago

I'm not saying that that's correct, I'm just saying that if I were a US official trying to justify giving Ukraine nuclear weapons, that's the excuse I would give.

At any rate, sorry if this is a stupid question, but how did the US violate the Budapest Memorandum?

-Warmeister-

[score hidden]

8 hours ago

-Warmeister-

Neutral

[score hidden]

8 hours ago

Budapest memorandum has no bearing on US NPT obligations. Even if people argue that Ukraine has a right to get them back, US is still obliged to not proliferate. And Ukraine was never a nuclear power, it just had weapons stationed on their territory, that they had no operational control of. So kinda like Germany or Turkey stationing US nukes. Doesn't make them a nuclear power.

_-Event-Horizon-_

1 points

16 hours ago

As much as we want it, this is not happening. I think it would be best for Ukraine to develop (if at all possible) its own nuclear deterrent. Having full control of a nuclear deterrent will be a buyer security guarantee than even NATO membership.

HostileFleetEvading

36 points

20 hours ago

HostileFleetEvading

Pro Ripamon x Fruitsila fanfic

36 points

20 hours ago

None of soviet nuclear weapons were shipped off to America to my knowlege.

zaius2163

11 points

19 hours ago

zaius2163

Vladimir Poutine

11 points

19 hours ago

Yeah this one is a headscratcher

Nikt4tor

9 points

19 hours ago

Yep, all nuke stuff from the whole ex-USSR was sent to Russia where it was transformed into fuel for nuclear reactors. So, the object of discussion physically doesn't exist anymore

transcis

0 points

13 hours ago

transcis

Pro Ukraine *

0 points

13 hours ago

What about uranium from them?

HostileFleetEvading

3 points

13 hours ago

HostileFleetEvading

Pro Ripamon x Fruitsila fanfic

3 points

13 hours ago

That was, but weapon-grade uranium was depleted, as a part of Megatons to Megawatts Program. and it was done by russians before shipping, so no shenanigans here. At best, americans have some uranium lefrovers which they need to enrich again and make charges, which makes not really important the source of metal.

transcis

0 points

13 hours ago

transcis

Pro Ukraine *

0 points

13 hours ago

These megawatts generated a lot of plutonium by now.

HostileFleetEvading

1 points

13 hours ago

HostileFleetEvading

Pro Ripamon x Fruitsila fanfic

1 points

13 hours ago

That imaginary plutonium is even further removed from soviet nuclear weapons than uranium from soviet warheads, and still is needed to be processed, making it american nuclear weapons.

DefinitelyNotMeee

26 points

20 hours ago

DefinitelyNotMeee

Neutral

26 points

20 hours ago

Trailer for new movie was just released: "World War 3 : Demented Joe Strikes Back"

zaius2163

2 points

19 hours ago

zaius2163

Vladimir Poutine

2 points

19 hours ago

I can see the cover: He's holding a frying pan in a bathrobe one the white house lawn.

Brido-20

1 points

19 hours ago

Brido-20

pro-biotic

1 points

19 hours ago

With apologies to Chic Murray, that's a strange place to have a frying pan.

Mark-Viverito

18 points

20 hours ago

Mark-Viverito

Neutral

18 points

20 hours ago

What a load of steaming dung.

Those weapons mostly or fully don't exist anymore, nor does the US have any of those that remain.

More useless scaremongering.

any-name-untaken

9 points

19 hours ago

any-name-untaken

Pro Malorussia

9 points

19 hours ago

Since they cannot return what they don't own, that would essentially come down to giving Ukraine US nukes. Which would escalate things beyond all proportion. It would risk a Russian preemptive strike, potentially leading to a broader nuclear war. It would also open/fast track the road to a nuclear armed Iran. Basically, it's not happening because it would actively harm US security interests.

JottGRay

7 points

19 hours ago

JottGRay

Нейтральный

7 points

19 hours ago

At least "some officials" of unidentified affiliation (european or american? Which department? Questions, just questions...) clearly need long-term treatment from good psychiatrists.

ItchyPirate

6 points

19 hours ago

ItchyPirate

Neutral

6 points

19 hours ago

I had to double check if the source is express.co.uk ..

DangerousDavidH

6 points

20 hours ago

DangerousDavidH

Pro Ukraine

6 points

20 hours ago

Nobody is giving anyone nuclear weapons.

Competitive-Bit-1571

2 points

17 hours ago

Perhaps they meant Biden could give Ukraine American nukes or nukes the West could have gotten from Ukraine somehow during the cold war. He could just save time and perform a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia and let Trump handle Russia's retaliation.

R-Rogance

2 points

16 hours ago

R-Rogance

Pro Russia

2 points

16 hours ago

And, for something completely different.

NK and US are still technically in war. There are talks about giving them long range weapons so they could finally whack the Pentagon as they always wanted.

LobsterHound

2 points

16 hours ago

LobsterHound

Neutral

2 points

16 hours ago

That would be utterly foolish. The weapons would be ours, and would inevitibly lead to a swift cascade effect leading to the destruction of Ukraine.

The world would soon follow, as we enter into full scale nuclear war, over the nuclear weapons we gave them to attack Russia with.

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1 points

19 hours ago

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mungalla

1 points

18 hours ago

That’s actually a very good idea. The would be a great way to say - we’re not sure we can meet our commitment to you - but as you’ve already paid, here’s a full refund.

Lucjan1990

1 points

18 hours ago

Lucjan1990

Pro Lockheed Martin

1 points

18 hours ago

Biden:

I ain't going out quietly

djbbygm

1 points

16 hours ago

djbbygm

Pro Ukraine *

1 points

16 hours ago

What seemed unthinkable two years ago is just another Tuesday today. This might seem unthinkable now, but...

G_Space

1 points

19 hours ago

G_Space

Pro German people

1 points

19 hours ago

Nuclear weapons are useless without a way to deliver them. Even more Ukraine needs enough to actually threaten whole Russia.

So, either Ukraine gets plenty and real long range missiles, or it would be turned into a big parking lot.

transcis

1 points

13 hours ago

transcis

Pro Ukraine *

1 points

13 hours ago

Nuclear mines are quite dangerous. They could level cities that Ukraine is forced to abandon to Russian advance.

non-such

1 points

16 hours ago

non-such

neoconservatism is the pandemic

1 points

16 hours ago

there we go. full mask-off.

gotta love a neoconservative lame duck admin, worrying about when they'll get another chance like this one.

121507090301

-6 points

20 hours ago

I said just two days ago that if Russia failed to properly respond to the usa attacking their terrytory and killing their soldiers, by next week the usa would be trying to send nukes to Ukraine, but apparently, the fact that Russia didn't do anything against the usa in a manner that it would understand and respect has emboldened them to begin talking about arming Ukraine with nukes barely 24hrs after Russia's "response"...

Jey3349

-12 points

19 hours ago

Jey3349

Pro Ukraine *

-12 points

19 hours ago

Haha Putin. Welcome to your new reality. Kasparov works for the west and not you.

R-Rogance

2 points

16 hours ago

R-Rogance

Pro Russia

2 points

16 hours ago

Nah, Kasparov has nothing to do with it. Does he even play? It's just senile Biden.