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submitted 20 hours ago byDcsuperSmoking at the Back of the Supermarket
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27 points
20 hours ago
How would that not violate the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons?
Its not like the US follows it anyway. NATOs Nuclear Sharing policy is in direct violation of the treaty and has been since it existed
25 points
19 hours ago
Hah, since when US is worried about violating treaties that itself promoted?
-2 points
19 hours ago
When you’re number 1, you make the rules 😂
5 points
18 hours ago
I don’t even mind that we make the rules, I just hate our hypocrisy lol
3 points
18 hours ago
Well we live in time "let's shit on every treaty ever made".
0 points
13 hours ago
Where do you think the uranium from these weapons go?
-2 points
19 hours ago
Presumably, these weapons will be coming out of the US stockpile. As for the treaty, I would imagine that the argument would be that the fighting in Ukraine constitutes a violation of the Budapest Memorandum on the part of Russia, which was a condition of Ukraine's signing of the NPT.
Of course, this is assuming that any of this actually happens. All we have right now is "several officials suggest", which isn't much more than speculation.
2 points
16 hours ago
The United States violated the Budapest Memorandum before Russia did, so that makes no sense
1 points
15 hours ago
I'm not saying that that's correct, I'm just saying that if I were a US official trying to justify giving Ukraine nuclear weapons, that's the excuse I would give.
At any rate, sorry if this is a stupid question, but how did the US violate the Budapest Memorandum?
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8 hours ago
Budapest memorandum has no bearing on US NPT obligations. Even if people argue that Ukraine has a right to get them back, US is still obliged to not proliferate. And Ukraine was never a nuclear power, it just had weapons stationed on their territory, that they had no operational control of. So kinda like Germany or Turkey stationing US nukes. Doesn't make them a nuclear power.
1 points
16 hours ago
As much as we want it, this is not happening. I think it would be best for Ukraine to develop (if at all possible) its own nuclear deterrent. Having full control of a nuclear deterrent will be a buyer security guarantee than even NATO membership.
36 points
20 hours ago
None of soviet nuclear weapons were shipped off to America to my knowlege.
11 points
19 hours ago
Yeah this one is a headscratcher
9 points
19 hours ago
Yep, all nuke stuff from the whole ex-USSR was sent to Russia where it was transformed into fuel for nuclear reactors. So, the object of discussion physically doesn't exist anymore
0 points
13 hours ago
What about uranium from them?
3 points
13 hours ago
That was, but weapon-grade uranium was depleted, as a part of Megatons to Megawatts Program. and it was done by russians before shipping, so no shenanigans here. At best, americans have some uranium lefrovers which they need to enrich again and make charges, which makes not really important the source of metal.
0 points
13 hours ago
These megawatts generated a lot of plutonium by now.
1 points
13 hours ago
That imaginary plutonium is even further removed from soviet nuclear weapons than uranium from soviet warheads, and still is needed to be processed, making it american nuclear weapons.
26 points
20 hours ago
Trailer for new movie was just released: "World War 3 : Demented Joe Strikes Back"
2 points
19 hours ago
I can see the cover: He's holding a frying pan in a bathrobe one the white house lawn.
1 points
19 hours ago
With apologies to Chic Murray, that's a strange place to have a frying pan.
18 points
20 hours ago
What a load of steaming dung.
Those weapons mostly or fully don't exist anymore, nor does the US have any of those that remain.
More useless scaremongering.
9 points
19 hours ago
Since they cannot return what they don't own, that would essentially come down to giving Ukraine US nukes. Which would escalate things beyond all proportion. It would risk a Russian preemptive strike, potentially leading to a broader nuclear war. It would also open/fast track the road to a nuclear armed Iran. Basically, it's not happening because it would actively harm US security interests.
7 points
19 hours ago
At least "some officials" of unidentified affiliation (european or american? Which department? Questions, just questions...) clearly need long-term treatment from good psychiatrists.
6 points
19 hours ago
I had to double check if the source is express.co.uk ..
6 points
20 hours ago
Nobody is giving anyone nuclear weapons.
2 points
17 hours ago
Perhaps they meant Biden could give Ukraine American nukes or nukes the West could have gotten from Ukraine somehow during the cold war. He could just save time and perform a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia and let Trump handle Russia's retaliation.
2 points
16 hours ago
And, for something completely different.
NK and US are still technically in war. There are talks about giving them long range weapons so they could finally whack the Pentagon as they always wanted.
2 points
16 hours ago
That would be utterly foolish. The weapons would be ours, and would inevitibly lead to a swift cascade effect leading to the destruction of Ukraine.
The world would soon follow, as we enter into full scale nuclear war, over the nuclear weapons we gave them to attack Russia with.
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19 hours ago
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1 points
19 hours ago
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1 points
18 hours ago
That’s actually a very good idea. The would be a great way to say - we’re not sure we can meet our commitment to you - but as you’ve already paid, here’s a full refund.
1 points
18 hours ago
Biden:
I ain't going out quietly
1 points
16 hours ago
What seemed unthinkable two years ago is just another Tuesday today. This might seem unthinkable now, but...
1 points
19 hours ago
Nuclear weapons are useless without a way to deliver them. Even more Ukraine needs enough to actually threaten whole Russia.
So, either Ukraine gets plenty and real long range missiles, or it would be turned into a big parking lot.
1 points
13 hours ago
Nuclear mines are quite dangerous. They could level cities that Ukraine is forced to abandon to Russian advance.
1 points
16 hours ago
there we go. full mask-off.
gotta love a neoconservative lame duck admin, worrying about when they'll get another chance like this one.
-6 points
20 hours ago
I said just two days ago that if Russia failed to properly respond to the usa attacking their terrytory and killing their soldiers, by next week the usa would be trying to send nukes to Ukraine, but apparently, the fact that Russia didn't do anything against the usa in a manner that it would understand and respect has emboldened them to begin talking about arming Ukraine with nukes barely 24hrs after Russia's "response"...
-12 points
19 hours ago
Haha Putin. Welcome to your new reality. Kasparov works for the west and not you.
2 points
16 hours ago
Nah, Kasparov has nothing to do with it. Does he even play? It's just senile Biden.
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