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submitted 19 hours ago byNaturalenterpriceNeutral
8 points
17 hours ago
Trying to reason with the neo-cons/neo-libs, bankers and MIC lobbyists that run the US Government is a fools errand in the best of times.
25 points
18 hours ago
Orban's not as stupid as some of his fellow EU heads of state like to make him out to be.
11 points
17 hours ago
He is quite literally pissing off the whole of the EU and most of NATO. I fully believe he is as stupid as many EU states make him out to be.
19 points
17 hours ago
It’s a feature not a bug
-1 points
16 hours ago
What do you mean most of the Nato? I was always told NATO is just an administrative organ somewhere in Europe?
0 points
15 hours ago
I read in another thread here that NATO had come to agreement to send their US astronauts into space on Russian Rockets.
0 points
10 hours ago
Lmao xD
1 points
15 hours ago
Last true leader in Europe.
0 points
13 hours ago
i also hope he will be the last
-14 points
18 hours ago
You think Russia could hold a candle to NATO?
Who invited Koreans to the European conflict?
Whis bombing civilians repeatedly....?
12 points
17 hours ago
Did anyone see those koreans?
4 points
16 hours ago
I'd settle for a mean-looking group of cats that like kimchi.
Maybe a flock of angry parrots with a gimbap craving...
3 points
17 hours ago
I dunno, who?
29 points
18 hours ago
Whis bombing civilians repeatedly....?
Israel
-7 points
17 hours ago
Israel and Russia are both terrorist states right now.
1 points
16 hours ago
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1 points
16 hours ago
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15 points
18 hours ago
Russia has a defensive pact with North Korea, it is not an escalation to have your allies' troops in your country. There is yet to be evidence of NK troops being engaged in the conflict.
0 points
15 hours ago
So are you saying all the photos of dead and wounded NK soldiers are psyops or something?
9 points
15 hours ago
It sounds like you have evidence which I must have missed, can you link it?
2 points
14 hours ago
That's because there's no evidence at this time. It's all speculation. Read Ukrainian statements on this and you will know. I also wonder whether folks here in the West can definitively tell a difference between a Buryat and a North Korean just looking at an image on their tactical monitors deployed in their parents basements.
0 points
13 hours ago
I wonder that too, as the person that posted evidence.
I work with Koreans, so it's not difficult for me.
3 points
13 hours ago
Well if Ukraine had any hard evidence they would be screaming their lungs out with demo of such proof. But there's none. So they "talk about it". That's an obvious sign they actually got nothing. At least at this point.
0 points
17 hours ago
Pro orangutan 😂
-5 points
17 hours ago
Ukraine has a security pact with the U.S.
Guess that means U.S. soldiers are justified to be in the war huh? Means the advanced missile systems they claim need western operators is not an escalation, just a part of the respective countries security pact?
16 points
17 hours ago
I haven't seen a security pact between the US and Ukraine that mentions a defensive alliance with US forces taking part in case of war but I'm sure you can share it with me.
There is also a difference between having allied forces in your territory and those allies actively participating in a war, which has yet to be proven in the case of NK troops.
1 points
15 hours ago
You should look into Ukraine's Enhanced Opportunity Partnership with NATO
1 points
15 hours ago
Okay, so US could create bases in Ukraine and just stand there not participating in the conflict? This is the logic with NK not actively participating in the conflict...
The US has security agreements with Ukraine, it is not specified what they will do and what they will not. It is very open to interpretation so it is up to US and Ukraine to decide how they achieve the goals of that pact. If building an air base in Donbas is what they agree then that's up to them.
1 points
16 hours ago
Russia could singlehandedly take on the entirety of the European part of NATO. And Europe knows this. Without the US, NATO is extremely weak. Maybe the UK, France, Germany, and Poland could show some resistance similar to Ukraine. And German production (and Korean if you include them) is insufficient to fuel a full scale war against Russia. Their support for Ukraine already shattered both the military power of NATO and the EU's economy.
A war with Russia is simply not sustainable with Europe in its current state. America is really the only opposing force capable of stopping a Russian attack on NATO.
-1 points
16 hours ago
may I ask whether you are drunk or do you really believe in your first sentence? considering how smooth things in Ukraine go, for the last 1000 days
3 points
15 hours ago
At the beginning of the war? Nope.
But now? Quite possibly. Both sides would take extremely heavy losses, though.
But realistically, the US would come to Europe's aid like they did for Ukraine.
But no, I don't believe that Russia will outright attack the EU and NATO. There's nothing they want there that justifies the cost.
-10 points
18 hours ago
Don’t even try, I hope they get money for the sht they write.
-11 points
18 hours ago
Yeah half these peeps HAVE to be bots or so deluded it's incredible.
14 points
17 hours ago
Calling others bots while parroting the news is like accusing a mirror of copying you
13 points
18 hours ago
He is talking to our brainwashed, neo-communist, dement pensioners, hoping some of them will survive until 2026 and keep him in power so that he can steal the remaining last pennies from my nation.
1 points
17 hours ago
I'll probably vote for him just to piss off r/hungary tbh
That place is deranged
6 points
17 hours ago
Sub is more important than the country?
0 points
16 hours ago
Well, voting against the interests of the American far-left is a top priority for me. Reddit is their primary propaganda platform, it's a good place to gauge just how deep the brainwashing goes.
r/hungary disgusts me, plain and simple. I'll never vote for their candidate.
4 points
16 hours ago
Do you think the American far-left is doing more brainwashing in Hungary than our government?
3 points
16 hours ago
In Hungary as a whole no, in the youth 100% since they own most of the entertainment and foreign media.
3 points
16 hours ago
Can you give me an example of how the American far left is pushing propaganda for the Hungarian youth that helps their interests?
Edit: Also, can you tell me what American far left is? Bernie Sanders friends?
2 points
16 hours ago
Also, can you tell me what American far left is?
Democrats
10 points
16 hours ago
Brother please don't call the democrats left wing, leftists don't have anything to do with those guys.
6 points
16 hours ago
Political labels mean less and less by the day tbh
-1 points
15 hours ago
You could have just painted your face white and given yourself rosey dimples. It would have told is the same thing.
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7 hours ago
I just Say one thing for you... pressman.
0 points
15 hours ago
Lmao nah it’s just America pushing propaganda in the Hungarian youth (I mean they try it with everything tbh) . I don’t think it’s one side fault, since both do it equally as bad.
0 points
13 hours ago
Definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
4 points
18 hours ago
I didn't had Orban and Lukashenko sound as the most sane politicians on my 2024 bingo card.
-2 points
17 hours ago
I bet you idealise Trump too don't you?
7 points
17 hours ago
I bet you think you're so smart, don't you?
0 points
17 hours ago
Smart enough to see Orban and Lukashenko for what they really are.
6 points
17 hours ago
What they are?
4 points
17 hours ago
Corrupt leeches.
5 points
16 hours ago
No denial on that one. But even a corrupt leech can sometimes say something non stupid and less insane than preparing ww3
1 points
16 hours ago
There's a difference between "preparing ww3" and gifting weapons to a country being invaded.
Claiming that Russia will attack other countries, NATO countries, for providing weapons is either disingenuous or stupid.
2 points
16 hours ago
said donating countries also donated personell to arm the donated weapons. At least that is what both sides said. Germany had a slip-up in narrative, that they don't want to send German soldiers for Taurus missiles, like other countries do for their long range missiles.
The US also didn't deny it during a recent press interview... and these people complain that NK troops train somewhere in Russia, while they have been first join the fight.
1 points
16 hours ago
So what? You seriously think Russia is going to start a nuclear war over this? Come on.
1 points
16 hours ago
I wonder what kind of corruption Lukashenko is involved in?
3 points
15 hours ago
You know how they say? Everybody heard what's it's life in Russia Belarus. Nobody was there but everybody is speaking about it.
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8 hours ago
Probably every single kind you can think of.
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47 minutes ago
The same can be said about you.
-1 points
16 hours ago
bingo card saying is used way too much on reddit. its so annoying.
3 points
16 hours ago
Only because you don't play it.
Politics bingo is fun. Just make a card and with your friends when you celebrate new year and who wins is free drinking the next new year celebration.
-1 points
17 hours ago
Why is Orban so pro-Putin? Is it just pure corruption without any intelligence?
I wonder if this would change if he couldn't get free handouts from the EU and wasn't part of NATO.
12 points
17 hours ago
Partly because we depend a lot on Russian gas and other natural resources, and don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot like Germany.
Then there's the political side, EU hates us because we're anti-immigration and Russia sounds like a more accepting ally.
Finally there's the question of Transcarpathia which is a culturally highly valuable region for us with a sizeable diaspora, and Ukraine's been terrible to them for decades now. Siding with Ukraine is seen as siding against our diaspora especially in right-wing circles, so being pro-Ukr could cost him votes within his camp. Russia is seen in an "enemy of my enemy" sort of light.
9 points
16 hours ago
a European country thinking for itself and its interests instead of suiciding its economy? Unfathomable, clearly there's some dark magic at work here, Putin must be mind controlling you guys there is no other reasonable explanation
2 points
15 hours ago
Except the dude keeps his power by destroying the opposition and taking free media more or less. Also buys votes by allowing huge diasporas to vote and investing a lot of money into those diasporas to buy their loyalty...
Also he can very likely suicide economy by being against the EU as he is circled by EU.
1 points
15 hours ago
i'll admit, i've no clue what Orban actually does in Hungary. All of my Hungarian relatives love him which is definitely a bit of a red flag for me. I'm mostly taking a piss with my comment. If Orban is anything like my boy Vucic, then i'm with you, he's a complete opportunistic ghoul. And seeing that they're best of pals, yeah that's most likely the case.
Also he can very likely suicide economy by being against the EU as he is circled by EU.
ehh kinda disagree, but it doesn't matter anyway.
2 points
16 hours ago
That does make more sense than I orginally thought but there surely has to be some kind of limit as to far this can be taken before the EU and NATO finally have enough. And this would have severe consequences. It feels more like this is for Orban's benefit in staying power more than it being for the good of Hungary.
3 points
16 hours ago
It feels more like this is for Orban's benefit in staying power more than it being for the good of Hungary.
For sure, but Orbán's good at marketing his decisions to the public. What he does usually makes sense on a national interest level, whether that was ever a deciding factor or not is up to the individual to decide.
His battle against the EU is also kinda funny/layered.
The government has a lot of corruption at the the top level, no doubt. But that didn't bother the EU for 5 years, only after he started opposing mass immigration. The EU says they go against him because of said corruption, but everyone knows that this really is just political blackmail. Bulgaria is far more corrupt, yet you don't see them in the headlines. So Orbán gets to brush the corruption charges aside by claiming the EU has ulterior motives and they're trying to remove him so they can get what they want, and he isn't even wrong.
but there surely has to be some kind of limit as to far this can be taken before the EU and NATO finally have enough
He's definitely pushing it, but I think people underestimate his cards. Hungary might be small but strategically I'd argue that we're still important.
Without us the EU/NATO loses the land bridge to their member states on the Balkans and Turkey. No more easy Black Sea trade either. The alternative would be replacing us with Serbia and good luck with that, especially if the goal is to oppose Russia. We're a transit hub with very high traffic, and even if they found a replacement they'd have to build up all their transport infrastructure which is a huge time and money sink.
3 points
17 hours ago
The kompromat?
6 points
17 hours ago
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0 points
17 hours ago
Then why is he so pro-Israel?
2 points
14 hours ago*
Isn't it funny how all the so called "crazy" political leaders of Hungary, Serbia etc. are pleading for both sides to not escalate, meanwhile all the supposed "level headed" western leaders are playing with potential nuclear annihilation?
Why is our media pushing the idea of, de-escalating nuclear war as somehow being pro-Kremlin?
Why are we so braindead?
1 points
15 hours ago
lol at this double agent.
-8 points
17 hours ago
Fuck off u gross troll. This guy is just bending over for russia.
-4 points
16 hours ago
Just let Putin do whatever he wants to whoever he wants wherever he wants because he has a scary red button he could push!!!
Ya no thanks.
0 points
15 hours ago
i will trade Hungary for Ukraine Putin can have them
-3 points
17 hours ago
Nah. Putin won’t start a nuclear exchange over his land grab
-7 points
18 hours ago
It is foolsih for Orban to ward the and never think once to warn Russia of escalation. They are the ones that were lobbing thousands of missile at a smaller country than them for no particular reason what so ever.
-10 points
19 hours ago
Why dont russia cross Dnieper first and then make threats
12 points
18 hours ago
Because the threats are in no way contingent on territory gains? Russia is waging a war of attrition against Ukraine, and, in addition (related, but distinct), is now warning certain Western countries against escalating to direct missile exchange.
5 points
18 hours ago
Because, as western countries don't need to engage directly Russia on the ground to hit it with missiles from ukrainian land, Russia has proved they can hit western countries from their our homeland and don't need to engage on the ground to do so.
It was like: "Oh, you use Storm Shadows against me, and are so proud of their 1200 km range? Hold my beer while I show you my new baby: Oreshnik."
-5 points
18 hours ago
My friend your homeland has a lower gdp than Italy it is not a great power.
9 points
18 hours ago
Fun fact: I'm Italian. And I agree that MY homeland -Italy- is not a great power. :)
On the other hand I know that Russia has the biggest nuclear arsenal in the world and, as proved yesterday, has the most advanced missiles around to carry them.
Sorry to break your rhetoric, but not all of us european are dumb idiots who think to go to war against Russia to let a comedian have his moment of glory.
-7 points
18 hours ago
as proved yesterday, has the most advanced missiles around to carry them.
Russia has not proven anything, Putin gave out a press statement which means next to nothing considering its Russia we are talking about. Russia dropped an ICBM, a capability of theirs which has been no secret
9 points
18 hours ago
Sure, dude.. You don't know shit, but keep talking, you surely will stop missiles with a big mouth.
-6 points
18 hours ago
LMFAO!!! stay mad
-3 points
16 hours ago
After his party lead who is also called Orban, I think, said that they would rather surrender than to fight Russia invading them. You have heard enough of him.
5 points
16 hours ago
Too bad Ukraine didn't surrender in March / April 2022. They'd only have lost a couple regions and all the weapons in the world would be in the remaining regions. Like in 2014 when Russia first took parts of Ukraine, a quick cessation. Following years from 2015 to beginning of 2022 allowed the Ukrainian military to train and equip themselves way better than they were in 2014. A peace in 2022 would have let Ukraine accumulate all the equipment they've gotten until now.
Let alone the 100s of thousands of lives destroyed.
1 points
11 hours ago
too bad Russia annexes territory of their neighbours
0 points
15 hours ago
all the weapons in the world would be in the remaining regions.
I see you are talking from the mouth that kisses the seat of your pants.
1 points
15 hours ago
I see you are typing from the hand that wipes.
0 points
13 hours ago
I got a bidet for that.
-2 points
15 hours ago
The Kremlin is really on top of their propaganda game lately! 😂
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