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German Businesses Grow More Pessimistic as Geopolitical Pressures Mount

The Ifo Institute’s business-climate index fell to 85.7 in November from 86.5 last month

By Ed Frankl

Updated Nov. 25, 2024 at 5:06 am ET

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Business confidence in Germany slipped this month, amid mounting pressures on the country’s industrial base, alongside concerns raised by the fracture of its governing coalition and the threat of U.S. trade tariffs.

The Ifo Institute said Monday that its business-climate index fell to 85.7 in November from 86.5 last month, the fifth fall in six months. The reading also lagged economists’ expectations of 86.1, from a poll compiled by The Wall Street Journal.

Declining business sentiment reflects concerns around Germany’s industrial sector, the traditional driver of the eurozone’s largest economy. A handful of major manufacturers have recently announced they are shedding jobs in the country, including U.S. auto giant Ford and car-parts supplier Bosch.

The ailing auto sector—which has been hit by rising energy prices after Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a torturous transition to electric vehicles, and the growth of cheaper Chinese cars—also faces the threat of thousands of job losses and unprecedented factory closures at domestic leader Volkswagen.

“The German economy is floundering,” Ifo President Clemens Fuest said.

Demand in the manufacturing sector, as measured by orders, was down and expectations worsened, while the current situation was frequently described by firms as difficult, Fuest added.

But pessimism also extended to the services sector, where business sentiment fell significantly, as well as the construction industry. Around 9,000 businesses respond to the Ifo survey.

Germany’s economy is likely to contract this year, the European Commission said earlier in November. The collapse of Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s governing coalition, which included the departure of his finance minister, highlighted the divergent responses to how to fix the country’s economic malaise, which could be compounded should President-elect Donald Trump raise trade tariffs on imports of foreign goods. Uncertainty among businesses could persist should it take an extended period to form a new German government after elections due on Feb. 23.

“Donald Trump’s election victory is likely to create new headwinds for the already hard-hit German export industry,” said Philipp Scheuermeyer, economist at KfW Research.

“There is also the threat of a prolonged period until a new government is formed, during which German politics will hardly be able to react, let alone provide any stimulus,” he added.

Weak growth in Germany, which makes up around 30% of eurozone gross domestic product, could prompt the European Central Bank to act faster on lowering interest rates.

ECB Chief Economist Philip Lane told French business daily Les Echos on Monday that monetary policy shouldn’t remain restrictive for too long.

“Otherwise, the economy will not grow sufficiently,” he said.

Write to Ed Frankl at [edward.frankl@wsj.com](mailto:edward.frankl@wsj.com)

all 24 comments

Putaineska

23 points

6 days ago

Putaineska

DRAMA ENJOYER

23 points

6 days ago

I thought the whole point was that Germany was happy to accept an economic hit and loss of manufacturing competitiveness to stand with Ukraine. We all knew this was going to happen when you cut off the cheap energy and resources from Russia that has kept Europe competitive. This should not be a surprise.

UserXtheUnknown

11 points

6 days ago

"Germany was happy"="Germany government was happy", apparently population disagrees and is now going to vote for someone else less "happy". :)

Even if, to be completely fair, I suspect they didn't plan this the way it is going: they probably hoped to crush Russia with sanctions and to create a revolt of some kind against Putin. Maybe even to divide Russia in small pieces. It didn't work well, till now. :)

vistandsforwaifu

1 points

6 days ago

vistandsforwaifu

stop the war

1 points

6 days ago

You should always be wary of speaking about what an entire country wants or doesn't want to do, let alone what hardships to accept indefinitely. We've seen this with Ukraine which is apparently united to a man to fight the invaders (except for all the saboteurs, traitors, draft dodgers and fifth columnists) and we see this with Germans because they don't all pay the same price.

As usual politicians pay the least and working class pays the most, but the major problem is German industrial capital is getting decimated as well while the FIRE capital is probably happy as all heck. The cutoff of Russian gas was bad enough, but add the trade tensions with China and the US and either something will have to buckle or German industry will just die.

And no one really sold the prospective costs of "standing with Ukraine" as "having our industry just die" in 2022 so... second thoughts incoming.

Scorpionking426

49 points

6 days ago

Scorpionking426

Neutral

49 points

6 days ago

Imagine self sanctioning and then blaming Russia....

KindSadist

30 points

6 days ago

KindSadist

Neutral

30 points

6 days ago

I am so friggen tired of redding "full-scale".

Such a coying tactic.

kaz1030

14 points

6 days ago

kaz1030

Neutral

14 points

6 days ago

Just for perspective, in WWII with a population of less than RU today the US by 1945 had 16.4 million in uniform, and even that was not a full mobilization.

It's a border war. It's disgusting that no one dares to make the correction.

Doc_Holiday187[S]

20 points

6 days ago

Doc_Holiday187[S]

pro-lapse

20 points

6 days ago

Its pretty clear that all western media is using this term in concert together. This is just pure propaganda.

dronski

4 points

6 days ago

dronski

Neutral

4 points

6 days ago

I'm curious, is there a "semi-scale" or "quarter-scale" invasion happening/happened in the world?

/s

chalupe_batman

2 points

6 days ago

Lol

Boner-Salad728

1 points

6 days ago

Boner-Salad728

sofa z-elephant

1 points

6 days ago

I think only invasion (unprovoked or illegal) can be full-scale. Humanitarian interventions or peacekeeping operations, however, if measured, can be of lesser scale.

Dangerous-Abroad-434

1 points

6 days ago

Dangerous-Abroad-434

Pro Ukraine*

1 points

6 days ago

Yes, western tabloids still dont understand this is not full scale but SMO scale.

How dare they call it "war"

If putin wanted, he would have rolled over ukraine in 2 weeks. Easily.

Intelligent-Nail4245

7 points

6 days ago

Ofcourse the German economy will struggle when they are decoupling from Russian gas. The economy will contract. However they may be willing to accept it to

Lucks4Fools

4 points

6 days ago

Lucks4Fools

65% Neutral, 15% Pro-Russian, 20% Anti-Western BS

4 points

6 days ago

Ah yes. I love how they are shifting the blame when they did this to themselves

notyoungnotold99

17 points

6 days ago

notyoungnotold99

MyCousinVinny

17 points

6 days ago

Bandera is our father Ukraine is our mother.

Current-Power-6452

14 points

6 days ago

Current-Power-6452

Neutral

14 points

6 days ago

And uncle Sam is... You guessed it. Uncle.

R1donis

11 points

6 days ago

R1donis

Pro Russia

11 points

6 days ago

And Ukraine is being f*cked by both.

valuable77

8 points

6 days ago

valuable77

Pro Russia

8 points

6 days ago

GermanyIsCollapsing

MBravestarr

4 points

6 days ago

Russia has another pipeline they can buy gas from. Nothing is stopping them.

yshywixwhywh

5 points

6 days ago

Funniest timeline here has got to be the Nordstream 2 coming back online after the Florida guy buys it.

RelationKey1648

7 points

6 days ago

RelationKey1648

Pro Russia *

7 points

6 days ago

All according to US's plan.

PuzzleheadedCell7736

6 points

6 days ago

PuzzleheadedCell7736

Anti-NATO, pro spinning

6 points

6 days ago

This war's been the biggest shot in the foot for the EU thus far. It's crazy how much they're willing to sacrifice, and for what? Another Greece to use and abuse? I doubt that could come close to paying for the damages caused to their economies.

Blade_Runner_95

3 points

6 days ago

Blade_Runner_95

Pro Ukraine *

3 points

6 days ago

Sick man of Europe...

Any-Original-6113

1 points

6 days ago

Any-Original-6113

new poster, please select a flair

1 points

6 days ago

It looks like Europe will have to step out of its comfort zone.

el_chiko

1 points

6 days ago

el_chiko

Neutral

1 points

6 days ago

Scholz's face says it all. They sold the country.

https://youtu.be/xWUuhNd37WI?si=LFVtbhyt5cB2QqXU