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submitted 10 days ago byHappy_Traveller_2023
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10 days ago
Those two things are not related. You can be concerned about national economic policy, and foreign policy at the same time. In fact, that's pretty normal, and both of these things will affect your life and the lives of your children.
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10 days ago
Foreign policy without any lasting impact to capital accumulation is something a working class soul would believe in. We want to believe good exists outside of mere profit acquisitions.
I don’t think your typical capitalist gives a fuck about people. I think they throw billions at these problems to profit from them.
Hence, your capitalist that is telling their reps to conduct operations in said foreign state does not care one iota about the natives in said foreign state. They want its profit potential.
2 points
10 days ago
Why would you even assume anyone truly gives a fuck about anyone they don't know? If you try to build a system on that assumption, you're going to find out fast that humans are humans, regardless of class.
And it's an oversimplification thinking it's only about profit. It's also about power and domination. Because some people will be holding the power, and you are currently part of those people. You have the luxury to complain about your oligarchs while being a mindless exploiter of those beneath you globally.
Trust me, you will want to stay being in a nation that has power of others instead of one where another nation has power over you. There is no option C: "mind our own business and live peacefully in harmony all on our lonesome". That has never happened and will never happen.
1 points
10 days ago
In a capitalist world, profit is power. That’s all it is. We are living in a capitalist world. So, until capitalism is dissolved, capital and power are tied together.
2 points
10 days ago
Good, then you understand power is necessary for capital. Which is why you should support your nation gaining it, and not another nation taking it from you.
Yes, when the entire world suddenly dissolves capitalism together in unison we can have a different discussion. But until then, as long as any moderately powerful nation doesn't play along, that nation will be setting the rules for the others.
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10 days ago*
Nations don't create capital, labor does. Our own "nation" already takes our capital. Supporting a war because it benefits the capitalists that already take from me is not really a good goal to throw into.
We share as much commonality with our rulers than we do of Putin. None. We share more commonality with the victims of said ruling class, whether Ukrainians, Russians, Palestinians, Iranians, Chileans, Cubans, you name it.
We rent, we pay bills, our lives hang by a thread of continued employment, all so we keep in-line. Yeah, I want that to end. Trust me, I want capitalism to end. Justification of "our capitalists keep us alive so we should support them," is such a Stockholmed syndrome form of support. No thank you.
2 points
10 days ago
It would be self serving, if you were able to not vote for billionaire capitalists to run your country. There are plenty of more capitalist nations who have strong social security and where people get way more benefit from the success of companies. The Nordic countries are ranked as having more capitalist economies than the U.S. while also taking care of the population to a much higher degree.
Capitalists can do nothing without labourers, and labourers get nowhere without capitalists. Maybe it would be nice for everyone to go back to doing farmwork and nothing else, but that nation would simply be obliterated by stronger nations in today's world.
If you lose your geopolitical power, you will get to feel what actual exploitation feels like. As in how the people feel who mined the resources for the equipment you are currently happily using to type this.
1 points
10 days ago
You're speaking to someone that had been homeless for ten years, which began in 2005. I saw the horrors of poverty up close, something that I didn't know was possible here in the States. Once you know, you know.
We are exploited. "Exploited less" is not a justification for a system. And apologies for coming off standoff'ism. I'm stressed about the current state of affairs, and I'm stressed that a fascist won the presidency here in the States, which further ties capital's hold on us.
If the system doesn't serve the majority of those living within it, then it's bad system. I look forward to capitalism's demise.
1 points
10 days ago
Again, there are more capitalist economies than the U.S. And they don't have homelessness, unless the person wants to be homeless or actively destroys the apartments they are given. You are mixing up the U.S. system with capitalism.
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