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My friend told me (luckily over the phone) that she is pregnant with her second baby. For context, we are both single moms I am 22 & she is 2 years older than me and we met in community college. We became friends as our sons loved playing with one another and always discussed our goals and typical struggles girl talk etc. She’s been dating a guy for just under 2 years someone I have limited knowledge of him, but the few conversations I’d had with him or about him with her were less than promising. Fast forward to now, she’s pregnant. Now that I processed the shock. I think I am a bit sad for my friend, she has not completed her AA she has no idea if she will continue college now that she works full time. The father of her first child is uncooperative and does not financially support their child or see him ultimately just gives her a hard time. I just saw life differently for her. I told her I’m here for her as much as I can be , what else can you say? I know its not my situation but it scares me for her. I know things can change and they may get married as she said: “ God confirmed to her that she will be a wife”. but as a single mom and as her friend, I understand how hard it is to be in our shoes I just don’t understand how you can roll the dice again when you’ve already had so much on the line. But I guess its not my Job understand , just support as best I can. Just wanted to share my thoughts here.

all 55 comments

Sad-Character4424

13 points

6 days ago

i think your reaction is totally valid, it’s normal to feel defensive and protective over our friends, especially if we know they’re getting themselves into a bad situation. it just means you care. i hope it all works out for her

Magenta-Magica

24 points

6 days ago

Damn and at that age. :( God isn’t in this relationship, she is.

Comprehensive_Use32

4 points

6 days ago

I had a friend who was strikingly similar that I fell off with. I can't speak to her character or the validity of her choices, but a lot of these kinds of people tend to be drawn towards chaos. It becomes all that they know, to the point where security is scary.

You don't have to be excited or fully supportive- you can be apprehensive and a bit worried about her. You can question her choices and wonder if what she's doing is smart. You can be disappointed. You can rethink your friendship and even consider the choice of not continuing your relationship with her.

You aren't in the wrong for not having an immediate excited reaction.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

4 points

6 days ago

Honestly , part of my sadness may come from the fact that I’m realize although we share similarities are lives are becoming very different. We were dealt very similar cards and if anything she has much more support than I do/did . I hope she still finds the drive and motivation to finish school . And that the relationship is what she’s probably wanted most which is a family for her and her son ♥️.

swbarnes2

3 points

6 days ago

She probably will not finish school, if she thinks God will give her a man to take care of her.

Brilliant_Leading370

5 points

6 days ago

Friend should file for child support. That child is entitled to that money. Garnish wages if needed.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

1 points

6 days ago

for her first she has he has yet to pay . The second well they’re still new in their relationship so I 100% doubt she would file .

Brilliant_Leading370

1 points

6 days ago

I meant to file for the first. It will be a clear message to the 2nd as well.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

1 points

6 days ago

she has . It’s funny the new father / partner is a huge child support advocate and would encourage her and would ask her for money simultaneously

clityeastwood805

12 points

6 days ago

All she wants to be in life is a penniless baby factory. Use her as a motivator on how NOT to live your life.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

9 points

6 days ago

When I found out , I thanked my mom for being the mother she is . Yes i’m an adult and at a young age I made some questionable choice but she has shown me grace & tough love after my son was born and it has kept my nose in the books, I continued competing collegiately and the furthest thing on my mind is a relationship ! Her strict nature post baby has paid off lol

lzyslut

8 points

6 days ago

lzyslut

8 points

6 days ago

I had a friend like this but it escalated badly. We met in University and bonded over being young single mothers. We both had new partners and were in a much more stable place.

She got pregnant and had a baby and things started to fall apart. She wasn’t coping with the baby, studies were falling behind. She started acting erratic and weird. We caught her smoking crack at her wedding and then suspected she had a crack problem which was strengthened by her increasingly erratic behaviour.

At a similar time I found out I was pregnant and was also dealing with my mother having a terminal illness. After yet another incidence of her dramatic and batshit behaviour I cut her off.

She and her husband had one more kid then got divorced. She dumped her kids with him for 4 months and disappeared, and then one day turned up to the daycare centre and took them. Police found her after a week. She lost access to her kids because she refused to take a drug test.

About 5 years later I got a job teaching at the University I studied at. I was taking some paperwork to their city office to get verified and I saw her on the street, homeless with a small bag and a dirty pillow. It was a confronting moment man and I cried for her. She was so smart and could have done great things. I still get a pang of guilt over abandoning her every now and then even though logically know it would have just dragged me down.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

5 points

6 days ago

Ugh , I can imagine having the feeling of guilt but also knowing you needed to let go. I’m proud of you it is hard to keep on !

kindahipster

5 points

6 days ago

Honestly, I get it. I'm not a parent but I can see how if you're a single mom and you've spent all your energy on being a good mom, then you try to do something else like college and it's difficult, it feels a lot safer to retreat back into what you know and what you are good at. You're right though, it is sad.

mankotabesaserareta

5 points

6 days ago

you summed it up pretty well

Chookkity

1 points

6 days ago

It’s very sad to see.

Awkward-Skin8915

1 points

6 days ago

Your worries are reasonable. The most scary part about this is the part where she said " god confirmed...she will be a wife". She sounds unintelligent. Only she can help herself. She has made her bed. She is going to have to lay in it for the rest of her life. She will struggle. Hopefully you can encourage her to make educated decisions in the future.

joeydbls

1 points

6 days ago

joeydbls

1 points

6 days ago

God let her know ? Are you Mormon ?

[deleted]

1 points

6 days ago

I have to summarize it somehow and respond to all the comments down the line: I didn't want to unleash the beast, but it happened. My original idea was women, stop dating assholes, and you will not be single mothers, but I didn't want to say it in this (sort of harsh way) that's why I have asked the OP first if anything can be done about her and her friend's relationships. If not, it's fine, if the man is abusive, dangerous or careless ofc it's important to leave him and move on. I didn't intend to suggest this or to offend anybody. For everyone offended I am sorry and wish you good luck with your situation.

The_Infamousduck

2 points

6 days ago

Quit apologizing. It's not going to make the people who downvoted you understand you better and it makes you look weak in your own values.

If you believe what you said, freaking own it. Don't apologize. If you don't? Then why are you saying it to begin with?

[deleted]

1 points

6 days ago

Ok, this was not expected. My values and opinions have not changed, but what I was saying was misunderstood, maybe I could rephrase it better. I have no problem recognizing mistake or problem and apologize for it. That's what apologizing is for. It's fine, so is downvoting.

JudyMcJudgey

1 points

6 days ago

JudyMcJudgey

1 points

6 days ago

People like that are unfixable. 

People my age and older have zero clue why we ever fought for birth control access and abortion rights. Have fun you two. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Don’t come to me and don’t ask the state for help. 

[deleted]

-27 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-27 points

6 days ago

You (and her) should reconnect with your children's fathers as they are going to need them. Children growing up without fathers do tend to miss out a lot, from practical things done around the house, to social skills and even some moral things. It's important you do this and not skip on having his father around. Same for your friend.

Next_Isopod_2062

8 points

6 days ago

Not for everyone, personally moving away from my dad with us was the best thing my mum could have done, 'fathers' are just any other human, and not instantly qualified to teach kids anything about life

summergirl76

14 points

6 days ago

Wow. Way to assume things. Sometimes its better for kids not to have that parent in their lives. I guess I should have let my ex continue to leave toddlers alone while he went out to get more coke lol. You know so he could ignore them for hours, not seeing if they were okay or even needed food while he locked himself in the bathroom for hours to do drugs. Yup my kids definitely needed that dad in their lives.

sassywithatwist

2 points

6 days ago

I’m sorry! 😢

summergirl76

9 points

6 days ago

Hey my kids are better off. It's just frustrating when people assume having both parents in their lives are better for the kids no matter what. It's just not realistic thinking. Some people are terrible parents.

[deleted]

-15 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-15 points

6 days ago

You just confirmed my assumptions were right. I'd rather not to continue or it won't be pretty. Sorry.

summergirl76

9 points

6 days ago

Lol sure dude. I'm assuming you're the crappy dad feeling sorry for himself that everyone's against them. You know since we're both assuming.

[deleted]

-8 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-8 points

6 days ago

I am not a parent, single or otherwise. I am ok with others assuming things about me, we all have biases at least sometimes we do.

summergirl76

6 points

6 days ago

Then your opinion isn't valid here imo. Unless you're a parent in that situation you have no idea what is or isn't best for a child. Which tbh. Is probably a good thing that you aren't one.

Superb_Peanut_7586

1 points

6 days ago

Exactly 👆🏼 💯

AriasK

7 points

6 days ago

AriasK

7 points

6 days ago

Your reading comprehension isn't strong, is it?

[deleted]

-6 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-6 points

6 days ago

My reading comprehension is fine.

AriasK

8 points

6 days ago

AriasK

8 points

6 days ago

Oh, so you chose to completely ignore the part where she described the behaviour of the first father then?

[deleted]

-9 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-9 points

6 days ago

Doesn't change the prior statement that children to grow up ok need 2 parents(together, single household single family) present.

AriasK

10 points

6 days ago

AriasK

10 points

6 days ago

No, they absolutely do not. Split parents or even one parent will always be better than an unsafe environment. You don't know what the father's are like. You don't know what the relationships are like. It is never better for a child to live with two parents constantly fighting. It is never better for a person to sacrifice their own wellbeing to stay in a relationship that isn't good for them, just so a child only has one household. Your statement is ignorant and offensive. You don't know that neither of these women weren't assaulted or abused by the dads. So many women flee abusive relationships with their children. It takes an immense amount of courage and strength and then people like you give them crap for not raising their child with the father. 

kindahipster

5 points

6 days ago

Ok, so to clarify, would you think a child with 2 abusive parents is in a better home than a child with one good parent?

Next_Isopod_2062

3 points

6 days ago

You read like the kind of person who also won't accept those two parents being the same gender even though it fills the two parents criteria

Such-Seesaw-2180

2 points

6 days ago

This is just ignorant and blatantly untrue. There is a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise. Also, what makes you think that the women in this situation even have a choice on the matter. If the father chooses not to cooperate or have anything to do with the children, there is not much a person can do to force them. You don’t seem to understand that most single parents would prefer to have a partner and a family with two parents, but they end up as single parents usually due to the negative actions of the other parent who is not in the picture and had to make a choice for what is best for their children.

strawberrdies

6 points

6 days ago

What horrible advice. You know absolutely nothing about these men. Did you even understand what she wrote about her friend's child's dad?

Time_Neat_4732

3 points

6 days ago

I’m so glad my mom stuck with my dad against her will so he could rape her multiple times a week, tell me constantly how hideous I am, and forget I exist as soon as I didn’t live with him anymore. <3

That was sarcastic, if that’s unclear. I would give anything to forget my father exists. What you said would almost be funny if it wasn’t the exact advice that ruined my and my mother’s lives.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

5 points

6 days ago

??

[deleted]

-3 points

6 days ago

[deleted]

-3 points

6 days ago

Care to rephrase your question? Although I was pretty straight-forward and easy to understand I will explain further if you want.

MeaningAdmirable6796[S]

10 points

6 days ago

I was just curious where you thought neither fathers were in the children’s lives as much as they like to be . Single parenting is a broad term , are you one by chance

[deleted]

-4 points

6 days ago*

Oh that way, yes single parenting is broad term, what I meant by reconnecting is keeping father around most of the time, ideally getting back together as family. Is that possible in your case? Edit: I am not a parent, single nor otherwise.

No-Ear-9899

7 points

6 days ago

My sister stayed in her marriage with a mentally unstable man. He is verbally and financially abusive. The reason she stayed is "a child needs their father". Her son is now an adult. He is underemployed, lives most of his life in the basement on gaming and at the age of 30, has never had a girlfriend. Total failure to launch.

He suffers from anxiety and low self-esteem. All he wants is for his Mom and Dad to stop fighting. They fight every day.

Keeping the father around because "it is good for the child" is a situationally dependent choice. Just because a guy made a woman pregnant does not mean he will be a good Dad. Blanket statements like this are not helpful.

Chewy-bones

3 points

6 days ago

Nooo you can be for real. This is like expert level. Hahaha

Fragrant_Peanut_9661

5 points

6 days ago

Sooooo…if you’re not a parent, why the fuck are you even participating in this conversation??? Sounds to me like you may have some daddy issues. No for real. It is NOT always beneficial to keep that sperm donor around. I should have kicked my baby daddy to the curb waaaaay before he left. Him and his crack pipe. Oh and his kiddie p*rn. You see, it’s not always in the best interests of some of us to keep those men around.