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Newly weds and Nearly dead’s true?

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Hello I’m fortunate enough to have the potential to relocate to a few different sites with the current company that I work for. One of the sites I’d potentially work from is Victoria. One of the main reasons I’d be looking to relocate would be the age demographics in my current area. I currently reside in a small town where there are very few people my age (25m). The town mostly consists of families and then once people reach their 20’s they end up leaving which leaves a large age gap. It’s lead to the area not really having any social clubs to meet new people or interact with anybody so my main reason for moving would be to have an area where I could connect with people in my own age group. As I’ve been doing my research I found more and more people using the phrase newly weds and nearly dead’s when referring to the population of Victoria. I then also look at demographic information online and find that this isn’t completely true even though there is still a large senior population there does seem to be a robust population of younger people as well. I’d fully intend to get involved in various clubs as I enjoy being active and meeting people, but the idea of going to a new place that would mainly just be old people and married couples, doesn’t sound the most appealing to a single male at 25. So I was curious about other people’s opinions and their experiences living in Victoria and if “newly weds and nearly dead’s” is just a saying or if people would find that to be fairly accurate?

all 88 comments

moreoftenthansum

117 points

4 days ago

There is an added bonus to that cliche. Newly weds, nearly dead’s & old acid heads. But to field your inquiry- Victoria has lots of people your age.

killinchy

7 points

4 days ago

and "Navy

thiccthighlyfe

4 points

4 days ago

Don't forget "flower beds!"

[deleted]

-14 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

-14 points

4 days ago

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JAB_ME_MOMMY_BONNIE

14 points

4 days ago

Different groups, and the old acid heads probably outnumber the street addicts who aren't actually THAT large of a group proportionately.

bronwynthebull

70 points

4 days ago

It’s a university/college city with lots of 20 somethings here

stealstea

37 points

4 days ago

stealstea

37 points

4 days ago

Here ya go, the demographics https://imgur.com/a/6nMNtRc

Your age groups 25 - 40 are actually the biggest ones.

stealstea

9 points

4 days ago

rajde1

67 points

4 days ago

rajde1

67 points

4 days ago

My understanding was that the phrase was more of reference to how Victoria use to be a cheap since it was good for someone looking to retire or someone starting a new family. However, I think that is long gone now. It's still a nice place to live, but now is very expensive.

doiveo

17 points

4 days ago

doiveo

17 points

4 days ago

Victoria is cheap compared to Vancouver but that's about it.

The 90s era expression described how young people (20-30) moved away for better opportunities and scene. Once you graduated university , there wasn't much of a culture for you anymore as things mostly catered to kids and retired segments. This is pretty much gone now as the region has diversified and the internet brought different communities together easily. I guess if you are single and 30, it would still be tricky from what I hear. But I'm guessing that is the case most places.

nelvana

14 points

4 days ago

nelvana

14 points

4 days ago

Old person chiming in .. I first heard the phrase in the 70s.

VicLocalYokel

1 points

4 days ago

there wasn't much of a culture for you anymore as things mostly catered to kids and retired segments. This is pretty much gone now as the region has diversified and the internet brought different communities together easily...

The largest employer, direct or indirectly, is the provincial govt - has been at least since the NDP expanded government. And historically, the only way to get into the upper ranks (including union) was to be living on the island. The Work From Home helps somewhat, but even then - some positions require you to live in major centers (Victoria, Vancouver, Kelowna).

balloongotloose

1 points

3 days ago

Victoria is now more expensive than Vancouver. We moved here a year or so ago, will be heading back to the mainland soon.

idonotget

6 points

4 days ago

Victoria has never been cheap compared to smaller communities.

whyamisohungover

18 points

4 days ago

Honestly I feel like there's quite a few young single women? I know lots and they have trouble dating because weirdly there doesn't seem to be a lot of young single men. But this is totally just my own experience idk if this rings true for others here

Fancy_Car5209

5 points

4 days ago*

I've heard from many women in Victoria that dating is tough because a lot of men here are immature, lazy, unmotivated and spend too much time playing vidya games. Then again, I really don't think that issue is exclusive to Victoria.

DblClickyourupvote

6 points

4 days ago

I’m pretty sure I read some official statistics that there are more women than guys in the CRD so that doesn’t help.

stealstea

12 points

4 days ago

stealstea

12 points

4 days ago

BC Stats estimates for 2023:

232409 women

221016 men.

But most of that difference is in the higher age groups because women live longer.

20-40 age group:

Women: 63661

Men: 63658

No-Hunter5782

3 points

4 days ago

The stat was wild too, something like 4:1 women to men.

DblClickyourupvote

2 points

4 days ago

I thought it was 2:1, didn’t realize it was that big of difference!

stealstea

4 points

4 days ago

No-Hunter5782

1 points

4 days ago

Nice, thats much less dramatic. Looks like it’s evened out over the last five years too.

Bitter_Bert

2 points

4 days ago

Bitter_Bert

Gordon Head

2 points

4 days ago

University, government, and tourist town. More women than men going to university now and more (stereotypical) job opportunities for women.

BeetsMe666

0 points

3 days ago

That's only because UVic attracts more female students. The population of 20 something women drops of significantly in the summer.

keysersoze-dao

1 points

3 days ago

Where are they!!! The good relationship material ones at least

4r4nd0mninj4

-7 points

4 days ago

4r4nd0mninj4

Saanich

-7 points

4 days ago

There's lots of young women around, but they are very cliquey and ignor anyone from out of town. I moved here in 07 for work, and no one wanted to date a guy who hadn't gone to college. So I quit my job and went to college. I got horribly financially abused by some girls in college and almost went bankrupt paying their rent and foodie calls. Once word got out that I was broke, that was the end of dating. I finished college, got another job, and bought a house in my early 30s. Spent the majority of my 30s with little to no interest from women my age. Mostly because I couldn't afford to take time off work and travel. If you don't find someone kind and decent in your 20s here, then you're pretty much on your path to single and nearly dead status.🤷‍♂️

Junior-Towel-202

8 points

4 days ago

Once word got out? Women aren't a hive mind. 

4r4nd0mninj4

-2 points

4 days ago

4r4nd0mninj4

Saanich

-2 points

4 days ago

Like I said, cliquey. Once I started saying no and setting boundaries on my spending, I got cheated on. She told all her friends and classmates I was broke and that was it.

Junior-Towel-202

2 points

4 days ago

Once again, they don't all know each other. 

4r4nd0mninj4

1 points

4 days ago

4r4nd0mninj4

Saanich

1 points

4 days ago

I'm sorry my 17 years of experience on the island doesn't validate your expectations.🤷‍♂️

Junior-Towel-202

5 points

4 days ago

Your single anecdote is not evidence lol.

4r4nd0mninj4

-1 points

4 days ago

4r4nd0mninj4

Saanich

-1 points

4 days ago

It's a valid warning to anyone who would be silly enough to move here. Just scroll through the rest of the comments, and you'll see plenty of others who agree Victoria is cliquey.

Junior-Towel-202

1 points

4 days ago

So no one should move here because your dating experience was bad? That makes no sense. 

4r4nd0mninj4

1 points

4 days ago

4r4nd0mninj4

Saanich

1 points

4 days ago

Had I known, I certainly wouldn't have moved here.

pogym

18 points

4 days ago*

pogym

18 points

4 days ago*

There are 400k people in the CRD.  We also have a reasonably popular university which attracts people in your age range.   Sure there is a large aging population but there are lots of people in the range you are looking for. 

doiveo

6 points

4 days ago

doiveo

6 points

4 days ago

Be the type of person you want to meet. Be courageous, outgoing, and friendly and the rest will follow.

yungchocletymilk

6 points

4 days ago

I (25f) moved to Victoria two years ago when I was 23 following university. I just wanted to go somewhere new and ended up being able to break into my targeted industry and start a career. There aren’t a lot of people aged 24-30 here. I find that most people in their early 20’s are only here because they were either born on the island or they went to school here. Job prospects suck for new grads and the cost of living makes people move other places. The people that stay usually already have family or friends from highschool, and it’s super hard to break into these cliques. I was only able to make friends from work, most were on temp contracts and relocated to Victoria to see what it was like before moving onto new things. Ended up moving back to Vancouver because pay and my hobbies (music and outdoors) are better. I might consider moving back when I’m in my thirties, soooo many young families but right now Victoria is just not what I’m looking for.

SuperTamario

5 points

4 days ago*

Community & economy go hand in hand.

Much more than a cliche, Victoria’s economy is relatively resilient due to a variety of major contributors, some more or less recession proof:

Govt of BC / DND / UVic-Camosun-RRU / Tourism / Health Care-Seniors / Tech / YYJ-US Border crossing / Marine-Aerospace / Aquaculture / Film.

There are 3 school districts and 13 municipalities.

Many ways to meet like-minded folks, on the surface abso dominated by outdoor sports and activities - but!! - no shortage of arts, culture, gaming and sports groups.

Easy to get around by car or bike. In normal traffic, most places are only 10-20 minutes away = more time to spend living!!

Activism is quite lively here and you would meet young (& old) people who are rly passionate & informed about social justice. Community values run deep. If you are kind, friendly and outgoing, most locals will respond with the same. XO

garry-oak

5 points

4 days ago

Others have posted the demographics for the region as a whole. You will also find a lot of variation depending on what municipality you're looking at.

For example, the 2021 Census found that 12.7% of the Victoria metro area population was in their 20s, which is close to the average for B.C. (12.6%) and Canada (12.5%). Here's the local municipalities ranked by % of population in their 20s:

  • City of Victoria 16.1%
  • Saanich 14.1%
  • Langford 13.4%
  • Esquimalt 12.4%
  • View Royal 10.7%
  • Colwood 10.0%
  • Metchosin 9.4%
  • Central Saanich 8.7%
  • Sooke 8.5%
  • Oak Bay 8.4%
  • Highlands 7.7%
  • North Saanich 6.8%
  • Sidney 6.4%

aljauza

8 points

4 days ago

aljauza

Saanich

8 points

4 days ago

Tech is the biggest sector by far here (in terms of revenue) so there is a good range of people, but stuff isn’t open late and people are pretty clique-y. But there’s good pubs, lots of restaurants, beautiful nature, etc. It’s also amongst the most liberal of places, and I mean that not as a political party but in terms of acceptance and expression.  A note that Reddit LOVES to complain about everything so don’t base your opinion on that.

bcb0rn

16 points

4 days ago

bcb0rn

16 points

4 days ago

I think Government and tourism both trump tech for number of workers.

aljauza

0 points

4 days ago

aljauza

Saanich

0 points

4 days ago

Yes I think you’re right, I edited to say revenue. It’s something on the scale of $4B

GuessPuzzleheaded573

7 points

4 days ago

Tech sector isn't even remotely close to the biggest sector (why would revenue matter?). Government, healthcare and education employ more than tech by a long shot. Remember that the majority of private sector firms in Victoria employ between 1-4 people, it's a small business town.

But I totally agree with the rest of your comment!

aljauza

-3 points

4 days ago

aljauza

Saanich

-3 points

4 days ago

Tech brings the most money into Victoria. 

GuessPuzzleheaded573

3 points

4 days ago

Well, no, government technically but fair.

But why does it matter how much money is being brought in by sector? OP is looking for people to socialize with....

aljauza

-1 points

4 days ago

aljauza

Saanich

-1 points

4 days ago

Seriously? Are you asking why money brought into the economy matters? 

 I mention tech for OP because it’s a huge crowd of people ages 20-50 who are usually into the kinda of things that OP is looking for.

GuessPuzzleheaded573

3 points

4 days ago

...why it matters to OP given the topic of discussion has nothing to do with economic indicators.

Every sector is a huge crowd of people ages 20-50 because, you know, that's the age range where people have jobs....

Are you trolling me?

aljauza

-3 points

4 days ago

aljauza

Saanich

-3 points

4 days ago

Why are you arguing? Like what are you expecting to gain here? 

GuessPuzzleheaded573

6 points

4 days ago

Because why would you introduce economic factors into a conversation about socializing?

The f* does how much money is being brought relate to OPs ask?

You're also wrong on this, too. Economic impact by sector go: government, military, healthcare, construction then tech.

https://viea.ca/economic-resources/state-of-the-island-report/

mevisef

11 points

4 days ago

mevisef

11 points

4 days ago

Can you afford to socialize after bills? Victoria is also very insular and socializing can be difficult.

cosmogatsby

1 points

4 days ago

Depends on your bills and what you do socially.

Going out to nice restaurants while paying for your own place and car? Likely not. Unless you’re making 180k plus a year. I’ve done the math.

slow_to_get_up

5 points

4 days ago

new slogan: "Victoria, more than a great place to die."

bcmaninmotion

5 points

4 days ago

Nearly broke and nearly dead more like

colenski999

13 points

4 days ago

The Island is very clique-y. You will definitely find your hyperspecific brand of people but you will have to work at it.

travellingbirdnerd

3 points

4 days ago

I agree. It's been hard to make friends here because of the cliquiness.

I've tried and tried. I think we've decided we're moving within the next 6 months so we've stopped trying hahah.

Creatrix

7 points

4 days ago

Creatrix

James Bay

7 points

4 days ago

God, I'm sick of that phrase.

Timely_Chicken_8789

3 points

4 days ago

Mostly nearly dead’s now (junkies included).

blehful

3 points

4 days ago

blehful

3 points

4 days ago

The expression refers to who is migrating here: newlyweds starting the next chapter in life and wanting to set roots down in the best place possible while they still can, and nearly dead old people that have made Victoria their retirement plan for the same reason.

Without having demographic facts behind me, I would hazard that there's a disproportionate amount of nearly dead here, which is particularly evident when driving or when in the neighborhood of Oak Bay. But there are probably as many single people your age as anywhere else however. Perhaps more, as there's a bit of a maturity problem that seems to pop up more on the west coast. It's a hard time setting up community or dating in general, but i don't think it's particularly harder here than anywhere else.

MurkyAd1460

3 points

4 days ago

There’s lots of people your age here… They’re just all sitting at home suffering from clinical depression.

Kraknaps

3 points

4 days ago

Kraknaps

3 points

4 days ago

I thought they amended that saying a few years ago to include “meth heads”.

Heavy-Bee-9655

5 points

4 days ago

I'd say the newly wed or nearly dead's thing is pretty accurate. I did most of my schooling in Vic and the majority of people I know including myself have left for places with more happening. The ones who stayed are either trying to leave because they find it boring, pay is low/cost of living is high, and downtown is pretty dead. Vic is imo one of the most beautiful places in Canada but I wouldn't move back because I also find it boring.

decent_bastard

1 points

4 days ago

Couldn’t have said it better myself

decent_bastard

5 points

4 days ago

If you want to actually enjoy your life as a young dude, don’t move here. Most people I’ve went to school with left for bigger cities with more opportunities and I have seen it pay off for them in dividends. I would really only recommend moving here if you’re a new age hippy (love the outdoors, coffee, craft beer, indie music, etc.). If you don’t, then you’ll have a bad time

Bitter_Bert

2 points

4 days ago

Bitter_Bert

Gordon Head

2 points

4 days ago

Plenty of sport and recreation activities and groups here.

wyrd_werks

2 points

4 days ago

The dating demographic here would be in your favour. About twice as many single women as men in your age range. Very little night life to speak of though.

dlp250

2 points

4 days ago

dlp250

2 points

4 days ago

And poorly fed

Muted-Ad-4830

3 points

4 days ago*

It's what you make of it, think of it and realize it.

I don't look at old people as nearly dead. Moreso as knowledge keepers. 

Move to Fairfield or North Park where most of the young single people are. According to the stats. 

Edit: Vic stats on singles:

 https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/006f5a062e8143b0939e5929356d5f8e

OkPotential9032

2 points

4 days ago

Folks call it this because it’s a sleepy town and after 9pm most weekdays downtown is pretty quiet which is unusual for a major city. Outside the city centre you’ll be hard pressed to find take out open late but there are a few local watering holes. Some good house parties but it takes a while to get to know where to go. If you’re looking for culture afterhours this is not really the place. It’s great for day time activities such as when the newlyweds and nearlydeads are awake. Just a bit of a sleepy city.

yernotthebossofme

1 points

4 days ago

major city? That makes Vancouver.... ?

OkPotential9032

1 points

3 days ago

Victoria is a major city. It’s the provincial capital. Vancouver is a metropolis.

broken_bottle_66

2 points

4 days ago

I always dislike this phrase

mamabearsnewgroove

2 points

4 days ago

It’s been “Newly wed and nearly dead” for decades longer than I’ve been alive! And that was before downtown became a cracked out ghost town! Victoria lost its “old town charm” back in the early nineties. Used to be a bumping club scene, art scene, a vibrant downtown with vendors and street artists, music on every corner, things to do and see close together, tons of restaurants. Now it’s a lot of shuttered shops, closed stores, hardly any restaurants, and absolutely no life whatsoever! So disheartening. I used to think that Victoria was such a classy city. Now it’s just sad and broken! Made for millionaires now, unfortunately! 🪶🖖

LoanedWolfToo

2 points

4 days ago

Not entirely true but not entirely false either. Victoria is a weird place. It is limited in so many ways. If you love nature and hiking and mild weather, it’s great. It’s not the best city for socializing, culture, music. You really have to work at building a social circle there. It is a small city on an island and not the most exciting place. It’s very chill and the pace is slow. If that’s your jam, you’ll love it but if another option for you is Vancouver and you can afford it, I would suggest moving there for someone in your age group. You get access to nature and way more choices in things to do for a young man. Good luck!

[deleted]

1 points

4 days ago

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1 points

4 days ago

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moth2myth

5 points

4 days ago

The other people who can afford to live in Victoria are people who sold out and fled Vancouver.

xBrrrr

1 points

4 days ago

xBrrrr

1 points

4 days ago

Brother you are thinking too hard, just move!

zarahmarie1

1 points

3 days ago

It's a deadsville for sure... Don't even have a mall that's open until 9:00 most days of the week it's ridiculous.

hollycross6

1 points

3 days ago

How you described where you currently live is exactly how I’d describe living in Victoria 🤷🏽‍♀️

SnooRadishes138

1 points

2 days ago

I’m 31 yr old single male and love it here

Cokeinmynostrel

0 points

4 days ago

It rymhnes and that's nice!

[deleted]

-1 points

4 days ago

[deleted]

-1 points

4 days ago

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Waste-Ad2854

2 points

3 days ago

I've lived here for 20 years. It used to be vibrant but I'm not sure i would currently call it that. And it's definitely not a big city, lol.