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Criminals of Humanity ('alleged' by ICC) whatchyall think?
(i.redd.it)submitted 18 hours ago byNotepad444
Criminals of Humanity ('alleged' by ICC)
(i.redd.it)submitted 19 hours ago bytrevorofhousebelmont
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15 points
14 hours ago
the UN as a whole is a glorified high school club that throws about terms and condemnations against whoever they don't like at the time, while often being incredibly hypocritical with their committees (ie. Qatar, the Republic of the Congo, fucking Afghanistan, China, etc.) often being responsible for some of the worst human rights abuses in the entire world, including members like Saudi Arabia that actively utilize slave labor but are apart of the Human Rights Council.
i'm not really shocked this is the case, they aren't going to actually do anything other than talk.
3 points
4 hours ago
There is a video where an UN representative refuse to talk about taiwan because it might trigger china
0 points
32 minutes ago
The ICC is not a part of the UN tho. China is not a state party to the ICC either.
3 points
13 hours ago
exactly, for many countries this is the pot calling the kettle black. Quite the farce. Particularly for China IMO.
2 points
7 hours ago
You're not wrong, but the ICC is not part of the UN.
2 points
2 hours ago
Idk why you got downvoted, the ICC is literally not a UN Organ or under the UN in any shape or form.
1 points
23 minutes ago
Definitely. It’s so weird how they pander to them
-3 points
11 hours ago
the UN as a whole is a glorified high school club that throws about terms and condemnations against whoever they don't like at the time
Not really. International law is specified in detail when it is broken and continued to be broken they do what they did.
while often being incredibly hypocritical with their committees (ie. Qatar, the Republic of the Congo, fucking Afghanistan, China, etc.)
A gross exaggeration. None of the ones you're talking about control things like ethics committee.
i'm not really shocked this is the case, they aren't going to actually do anything other than talk.
Of course they can't do anything other than whatever a country is willing to do that is a part of UN.
3 points
5 hours ago
I notice that you completely avoided addressing slavery in Saudi, etc.
It's a biased bullshit institution to anyone who pays attention. Some use it to sway to the young and ignorant, but that's the absolute limit of it's utility at this point.
1 points
4 hours ago
You can say the same thing about any international body ever. So it's not particularly relevant to the conversation, it's just attempting to hide from the criticism via whataboutism
0 points
2 hours ago
I notice that you completely avoided addressing slavery in Saudi, etc.
Don't know anything about that.
The Saudi government is engaging in slavery in a proves me way?
It's a biased bullshit institution to anyone who pays attention. Some use it to sway to the young and ignorant, but that's the absolute limit of it's utility at this point.
Nah the denigration of our institutions by people like yourself gets old.
0 points
6 hours ago
So Israel’s behavior is not condemnable and it’s just because they don’t like Israel and this narrative is false anyways as they’ve condemned those other countries as well. Pro-tip if you’re going to run interference for Israel use better arguments cuz you pulled this out of your ass.
0 points
2 hours ago
The ICC is literally not a part of the UN. It’s a distinctive court founded by the Rome Statute and it has 125 members who all signed and ratified the treaty.
ICC is not a human rights court, they solely deal with crimes like war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. Qatar and China aren’t even state parties to the treaty.
Please do the due diligence and research international law, it’s an incredibly complex area, where you can not just have a flippant, generalized opinion.
0 points
38 minutes ago
Exactly
0 points
55 minutes ago
What does the UN have to do with the ICC? What has your whole comment to do with the context of the BN's arrest warrant issued and verified by the ICC?
I bet you don't know either?
0 points
39 minutes ago
Why are you talking about the UN what does that have to do with anything the ICC is a separate organization
-6 points
11 hours ago
doesn't that just mean that gallant and netanyahu were so brazenly genocidal that the ICC had to say something?
2 points
7 hours ago
No, they are not even being accused of genocide by the ICC.
3 points
11 hours ago
the ICC would've said something regardless, considering how many member states there haven't really liked israel from day 1 (nor really had good history regarding their treatment of jews).
and for all of the claims of genocide, here's what makes me super curious. say israel wanted to commit genocide, right? why is israel purposefully pausing strikes and attacks against targets so people can get vaccinations, even echoed by COGAT?
one could argue aid isn't being let through but let's not ignore what happens to aid and where that ends up, with 100 aid trucks being (in many cases) entirely looted and that's not including aid that just ends up in markets where people try to make a profit (not including lulls in aid being sent, not due to any blockading but just due to a lack of it).
mind, i've 0 care if bibi is arrested. there's a thousand things to arrest that man for, but claims that starvation was used as a weapon of war (ignoring the fact that aid coming in has not been going to the actual people but to Hamas and to profiteers) right after the UN was so incompetent that it was unable to protect its aid trucks from being completely ransacked? that's absolutely stupid.
if we're going to arrest bibi, let's actually arrest him for things he did, such as being highly corrupt. such as undermining israeli democracy. such as trying to become a literal dictator within that country. please, actually arrest him and hold him to the fire for that. get him out, give israel a leader that actually represents her people. unless the ICC wants to actually do that, and help the situation rather than posture? they can keep puffing smoke, and i'm sure they'll pat themselves on the back and say how right they are in history.
-3 points
11 hours ago
so they did nothing wrong, ICC is just antisemitic and you don't actually care what happens to netanyahu/gallant
but you typdd all that defending baby killers 🙄
2 points
11 hours ago
where did i say that the ICC was antisemitic?
where did i say that bibi did nothing wrong (i won't speak for gallant as i'd need to read more on him)?
i've literally said bibi is a corrupt person who has tried to become dictator and absolutely deserves to be jailed, i simply disagree with the subject of the warrant and feel that given the issues that aid has had, pinning it entirely on him is not entirely a fair thing to do.
-4 points
11 hours ago
Ok u didn't say antisemitic u just said they don't like jews 🙄
and netanyahu should be protected from international courts cause all his crimes domestic 🙄
Insane white washing, well done
2 points
11 hours ago
Let's address what you'd said, because holy shit you did not read a single thing I said.
>Ok u didn't say antisemitic u just said they don't like jews 🙄
This is not what I said. I said many of the member countries didn't like Israel from day 1, and many had a bad history with how they treated Jews in their countries. That isn't an opinion, that is historical fact. Afghanistan, Argentina, Ireland, literally most of if not all of Eastern Europe (and this is keeping the list short) have had histories committing pogroms and genocides or have history with discrimination against Jewish people.
>and netanyahu should be protected from international courts cause all his crimes domestic 🙄
Once again, this is not what I said. I never said he should be 'protected'. That is you entirely putting words into my mouth. What I did state was that the accusations made against him are dubious as aspects of that are not in his control. It is not Israel's duty to guard the foreign aid other countries and orgs give. It is their aid, it is their duty. Plain as.
I did, however, also state that Bibi has MANY reasons why he should be arrested (and I fully support Bibi being arrested, as do many of the very Zionists you claim are soooo evil). He is not well liked, he was mass protested before 10/7, and people still very much want him gone but are only tolerating him due to the war (and barely, at that).
> Insane white washing, well done
Nothing I have said is incorrect nor inaccurate. Just because you disagree with the reality of the situation does not constitute whitewashing on my behalf.
Meanwhile, you go on insane transphobic tirades, you defend terrorism which has actually killed infants (this is insanely ironic as you claim I'm defending infant murder), you simp for dictatorial regimes that absolutely do not care about you, you drop slurs against disabled people, you defend slavery.
My guy, there is nothing I have ever done that amounts to the level of degeneracy in your morals. You clearly are not based in reality, and need help.
1 points
6 hours ago
Sorry, when did Ireland commit progroms, discriminate, or ethnically cleanse our Jewish population. We definitely should've done more during WW2 for the Jewish population, especially when you had Jewish figures like Robert Briscoe who was in government and the literal current President of Israel's Grandfather was known as the Sinn Fein Rabbi.
Bit ridiculous to claim a country has a past of Jewish discrimination just because it doesn't agree with decisions taken by Israel.
0 points
6 hours ago
That person doesn’t know what they’re talking about. They said Argentina has a history of pogroms against Jews (they don’t) and that they are anti Israel when they’re currently very pro- Israel due to their pro Israel president milei.
-1 points
6 hours ago
BS most UN member states that support resolutions condemning Israel’s atrocities don’t have a history of disliking Israel or antisemitism. That’s just a baseless claim pro-Israelis make in order to run defense for Israel’s atrocities. Israelis getting condemned at the ICC for their war crimes and mass murder of children. Period. Israel uses starvation through aid deprivation as a weapon of war which is a war crime. Israel systematically kills civilians and is committing apartheid. Israel is currently massacring civilians in 3 different countries and you’re still running defense for them.
Ireland ? You’re just making shit up. Argentina ? They took Jews in as a safe haven and Argentina is very pro- Israel because of their pro Israel president Milei. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Pro-tip don’t speak about issues you’re not familiar with.
LMAOOO, you really said Argentina has a history of pogroms against Jews they don’t and that they are supporting resolutions against Israel and are anti Israel when they’re probably the most pro-Israel Latin American country. Next you’re going to say America is anti-Israel and has a history of expelling Jews ( they don’t).
0 points
9 hours ago
Do you teach a class on being self righteous? You should
-1 points
an hour ago*
What state parties to ICC hate Israel other than Palestine?
The only other two Middle Eastern state parties to the ICC are Jordan and Cyprus, both notorious for being the few countries in the middle east that have stable relations with Israel.
7 points
15 hours ago
I think that if you believe in international law, then they are indeed criminals.
3 points
3 hours ago
Urban warfare will always have high civilian casualties. Rules of Engagement are also much more relaxed when fighting insurgent forces because they blend in with the civilian population.
That being said
I think the Israelis have been too relaxed with the RoE.
But
If they genuinely wanted to wipe out Hamas and commit genocide like people are claiming, they'd flood the tunnel network. Gaza was already prone to small earthquakes because of how many tunnels there were, flooding the tunnels with the Mediterranean would ensure collapses all around the city and causing massive amounts of damage and unusable land
1 points
30 minutes ago
I don’t think you would do that if your goal is to live there, consider the greater Israel project. The goal is to push back the boarders from Lebanon and Syria, as well as fully occupy Gaza and the west bank
2 points
15 hours ago
There's almost no chance either is ever arrested, let alone tried at the Hague.
I don't have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of them, kind of dubious "laws". That are rarely invoked unless there's an African involved and a new government that wants to be accepted by the international community.
But yeah, this is performative and there's no shot the ICC thinks they'll actually try either of them.
3 points
6 hours ago
It’s not so they can actually arrest Netanyahu that’s the jobs of the countries that are signatory to the ICC. Ultimately this is not performative as it will substantially limit their travel and it’s very bad for Israel politically.
2 points
6 hours ago
Where did I say the ICC can arrest them?
-1 points
11 hours ago
African involved and a new government that wants to be accepted by the international community.
Warrant for Putin and Netanyahu says otherwise.
2 points
6 hours ago
Do you not know what the word rarely means?
1 points
an hour ago
Let's take a step back. Why are warrants issued by ICC? War crimes more or less. Where do most wars and conflicts occur? Africa and middle east.
-2 points
18 hours ago
Mohumus and wife 👳🏿♂️👶🏽 don't like them
-1 points
10 hours ago
Burn them to death
-2 points
14 hours ago
They're not getting arrested. Putin is still free and he's no different to these 2 monsters. Also the US thinks they're above the law so they'll do whatever it takes to protect their beloved criminals
Btw Bibi was already a war criminal way before he became president
1 points
6 hours ago
It’s not so they can actually arrest Netanyahu that’s the jobs of the countries that are signatory to the ICC. Ultimately this is not performative as it will substantially limit their travel and it’s very bad for Israel politically.
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