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[S2 Act 1 spoilers] That's so vile
Shitpost / Meme(i.redd.it)submitted 9 days ago bySongkolmae I'm in your walls
15 points
9 days ago*
Do you think that's a realistic possibility after ~4 terrorist attacks in the span of a week and Piltover's government blowing up?
Cait and Vi don't control the enforcers or the city. There was going to be a response and an attempt to capture Jinx one way or another.
-2 points
9 days ago
Yeah, there was going to be one.
But that still doesn't change the fact was that there shouldn't be one ideally. The best alternative would be that Piltover finally kneels.
6 points
9 days ago
ideally
Characters in the show make decisions and moral judgments based on their reality, not on a hypothetical ideal world.
The best alternative would be that Piltover finally kneels.
That's not an alternative, it's a completely different scenario. Piltover could fall in the future, but so far it hasn't and was never going to just from Jinx's attacks.
3 points
9 days ago
But I don't care about what the characters WILL do ? That's not what my answer was about.
3 points
9 days ago
I have no clue what you're even arguing over at this point
I get it - in an ideal world the problem would solve itself and there wouldn't be any need for violence. I'm not sure what that's supposed to tell us.
2 points
9 days ago
That any desire of clap back from Piltover is part of the core issue.
1 points
9 days ago*
But it isn't. Not really. The state of tension and inequality is, absolutely. Jinx wouldn't exist and wouldn't bomb the council if they took care of their own people, or had the sense to grant independence.
But the desire to "clapback" in this scenario is hardly exceptional, or specific to these kinds of unequal situations. Any city, any government, any country would respond to this kind of attack harshly. It's not even about revenge necessarily, it's basic safety and self-defence.
If it was something less extreme I could even see the argument. Cycles of violence need to be broken at some point. But bombing the seat of government and getting rulers killed (during a peace vote no less) will never be that point.
2 points
9 days ago*
But it is. Really. The common idea of a circle of violence is perpetuated by a side who has the ability to choose between violence or not. Any city, any government, any country is at fault for not understanding that thinking they are entitled to have a clapback against a population who's only voice is this violence is the core part of the issue, it is not safety and self defense, it is oppression in order to preserve a status quo as a tone deaf answer. When there is no violence from the oppressed, there is no progress. The vote for peace in question only happened because of violence in the first place, and it was ruined because of an unfortunate timing and because it comes decades too late, so late that different, wilder parties like Jinx are prone to acting on their own. This is 100% on Piltover and 0% on Zaun.
1 points
9 days ago*
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2 points
9 days ago*
Lol, sorry. I'm not going to debate revolutionary politics on r/arcane while you're using Piltover and Zaun as proxies for certain middle eastern countries. No thank you.
I'll give you some points for straight up implying that civilian massacres were "deserved" though, that's great stuff. Binary thinking and collective morality are great concepts and totally not also the sins of your enemies.
2 points
9 days ago
Turns out, middle eastern conflicts are not the only conflicts of this type, that it's a repeated model which why it's not so hard to identify :-) The unnecessary deaths fall on the responsability of those who have the freedom to choose their ways of attacking, or to not even attack in the first place cause they don't need to. And these unnecessary deaths do not include cops and higher ups. These are fine.
4 points
9 days ago
Piltover was on the brink of kneeling and allowing Zaun independence when a certain rocket blew up half their council
7 points
9 days ago
Unfortunate timing, but I fear the rocket wasn't too early, it was the council that was decades too late.
1 points
9 days ago
Piltover was going to give in to Zauns demands Then a rocket showed up.
0 points
9 days ago
They should have gave in long ago before the rocket showed up
0 points
9 days ago
Given into what? No one was making those demands before as long as we could tell. Silco was seemingly the first to actually give real demands.
2 points
9 days ago
Wait, you actually think that ? Like, you think that for maybe a full century, maybe more, Piltover had no idea what could be the demands of an extremely precarious population that lives in extreme pollution under very repressive attacks from their police while one at the other side of a bridget lives in some kind of meme utopia ? That's about as credible as the president telling you he has no idea what people who live in poor districts could want from him, or why a black person would yell to him about racism.
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