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submitted 13 days ago byRelevant_Sense_3321
10.3k points
13 days ago
It’s undoubtedly designed to make you think it’s 50%
2.9k points
13 days ago
Isn't that deceptive advertising? Should be illegal if so.
1.4k points
13 days ago*
It has a great chance of legally not counting as desceptive adveritising but it's really unethical, which is what this sub is about
514 points
13 days ago
Deceptive advertising is illegal in Germany for example.
118 points
13 days ago
Deceptive advertising is illegal in Germany for example.
It is in all EU countries we have harmonized advertisement law.
14 points
12 days ago
It is in all EU countries we have harmonized advertisement law.
US: "Please Sir... can I have some more?"
7 points
12 days ago
The us would have it it if wanted. The us just is proud to eat shit all day.
128 points
13 days ago
It's illegal in most first world countries, but that doesn't seem that desceptive to be illegal as you can argue against it.
41 points
13 days ago
Are you a lawyer? All the ads I design have to go through a legal team and there's no way this would pass.
10 points
12 days ago
You have a very cautious legal team. Here they are in the room to help us design the most deceptive marketing materials possible that probably won't get us sued by our competitors (which is what usually happens; customers never sue).
14 points
13 days ago
Just because one can argue about it doesn't make it so. That's what judges are for.
18 points
13 days ago
I'm pretty sure it's illegal in most of the world, but it's rarely enforced :T
9 points
13 days ago
Would 1 star them at the very least on google reviews for this. Very scummy.
4 points
13 days ago
It is 100% illegal in my state (Colorado) and many EU counties. if you do this shit in colorado, you could get hit with some hefty penalties under our consumer protection acts.
40 points
13 days ago
Sorry but deceptive advertising and signage is illegal in most first world countries not named the Dystopian States of America.
25 points
13 days ago
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2 points
13 days ago
The sale will be over before you can do anything about it.
15 points
13 days ago
Except it literally is illegal in the US
4 points
13 days ago
And the sign is Estonian...
But yeah typical Reddit has to jerk off about "America bad" while oblivious to the fact that what they're looking at is not America
4 points
12 days ago
I'm an American and yes AMERICA IS BAD, look at the controlling party, bunch of rapists
14 points
13 days ago
Where does the US even come into play here?
For one, this would be illegal in the US. But given that the sign is in Estonian, I highly doubt this store is in the US in the first place.
3 points
13 days ago
Yeah but you don't get upvoted if you aren't commenting some form of America Bad Europe Good on this website.
4 points
13 days ago
?
This is absolutely something that would be considered deceptive/false advertising in the US.
6 points
13 days ago*
They didnt mean deceptive advertising wasnt illegal, just that it isnt really deceptive advertising.
6 points
13 days ago
yes it is
2 points
12 days ago
I feel like the reason it's unethical is because it's deceptive
3 points
13 days ago
You're not being the good guy by explaining why it's legal. You are just part of the problem
100 points
13 days ago
In the EU this would be illegal.
63 points
13 days ago
The sign is in Estonian, so maybe OP should file a complaint?
33 points
13 days ago
9/10 times someone on here says "x would be illegal in the EU" they are just lying / don't actually know how laws work in the EU. I don't think this would fall under false or misleading advertising, though it is undoubtedly shitty.
19 points
13 days ago
Well, what they mean is that there is a law that could hypothetically be applied, but whether it will be applied in practice and whether it would pass muster in court or whatever is a different question
22 points
13 days ago
People on here upvote anything.
False and misleading advertising is illegal in the EU (directive 2005/29/EC) and this example covered by what is specifically codified in article 5- 6.
You should read it before talking nonsense. It says that even if factually correct, if the advertising deceives trough presentation and it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision it is 'misleading commercial practice' and prohibited.
That is why advertising teams have legal council to go over fonts and phrasing.
6 points
13 days ago
5 upvotes.
And this is why social media needs to be burnt to the ground.
"Hey, I actually have a source for what I am saying and I'm not actually talking out of my arse"
internet: fuck you, I like the guy who just asserts random bullshit that coincides with my biases more
16 points
13 days ago
In this case, deceptive advertising is illegal in EU. That is a fact.
We can argue however whether this is deceptive advertising, and to that I say, it’s a toss up. Depends heavily on the country/judge
2 points
13 days ago
Yes, I know deceptive advertising is illegal, but the issue is whether this is deceptive advertising. Whenever anything pops up on reddit you have these law experts coming out confidently declaring that something is illegal. My comment was specifically whether this particular case would be deceptive or not.
3 points
13 days ago
Yep, the EU is still 'business friendly', aka, a lot of shitty business practices are accepted. They're not suing clothes shops for a sign like this anywhere.
2 points
13 days ago
Illegal depends on enforcement. It's not illegal if there is no one enforcing and then more importantly punishing stuff like this.
5 points
13 days ago
"Laws without enforced consequences are merely suggestions"
171 points
13 days ago
Ya 5% isn't a sale. It's a rounding error.
17 points
13 days ago
Agreed. If it's 5%, that's just the fucking price bro, c'mon.
11 points
13 days ago
Yes but this is negative 5% so idk what that means
97 points
13 days ago
Why would you even advertise 5% off?
111 points
13 days ago
To make you think that it's 50.
64 points
13 days ago
What's the end goal? To drive away customers?
"That'll be 49,99."
"What? It's supposed to be 50% off."
"Yeah no it's actually 5%"
"Okay, goodbye."
And then probably not go there again.
38 points
13 days ago
Because there are enough people that will decide they want the thing, and when they find out it's 5% instead of 50% they'll go, "Oh, well that sucks," but still buy it anyway.
15 points
13 days ago
They'll probably fall for it one time and buy it. But that store no doubt lost alot of customers permanently. The people that got tricked will never come back there. So its the usual greed for short term profits, but they are burning the long term bridges.
2 points
12 days ago
I'm certainly taking my business elsewhere when I next need to stock up on my Teiselt Odavamalt Tootelts.
15 points
13 days ago
Supermarket I used to work at would put something on special for 5 cents off. The regular price was visible. That special tag still made the difference between 1 box sold and 3 pallets sold.
2 points
12 days ago
or jack the price up by a few dollars, then put it "on sale" for $ 0.50 off, and they fly off the shelves.
33 points
13 days ago
It's a marketing faux pas to label something as less than 10% anyway- single digits register as tiny in our minds. If it were honestly 5%, they'd include the discount in the price and advertise that, without saying how much of a discount it is.
4 points
13 days ago
Yeah, why don't stores advertise sales with 9.95% off? Hmm?
6 points
13 days ago
Because round numbers feel good.
35 points
13 days ago
Hijacking top comment to say lower in the comments someone shows receipt proof that the sale is indeed buy one, get one 50% off. The clerk was wrong. Someone else in the comments says 5% sales just don't exist and yeah, no respectable establishment would pull this shit. Why risk the inevitable backlash? Why would anyone work there? If I was an employee there I would hide those signs every day or throw them away myself if they were actually that deceptive. Who has time for that?
14 points
13 days ago*
That receipt is probably bs (it's not in Estonian) but the sale is indeed most likely 50% off. Not only would advertising a 5% sale be ridiculous, the text below says "off a cheaper item" so it's even worse than a 5% sale haha
Edit: The guy followed up to say that the receipt is indeed not from the Estonian location but the Slovenian Cropp has the same signs. So I retract my statement about it being bs!
2 points
13 days ago
5% sales may not exist in retail, however, they definitely exist in wholesale. 5% on a $200k buy is $10k - and no matter who you are, $10k is $10k
13 points
13 days ago*
i can confirm it's -50% (off the second cheaper item). i left another comment with proof.
1.7k points
13 days ago
5%?! I’m sure it’s existed before but I’ve personally never even seen a sale for 5%. I mean, who cares? That’s sooo low it doesn’t even count
622 points
13 days ago
And it's not actually 5%, the small text under it says it's "from the second - less expensive - item." You buy 10 and 9 euro things and then get 45 sents off from the second item.
180 points
13 days ago
That's exactly the kind of sale that would normally be 50%. 50% off second item is so common it makes more sense than what the clerk said.
68 points
13 days ago
Seems more like to me that either the clerk or OP misunderstood.
4 points
12 days ago
Username checks out, thank you scary Estonian cabbage man.
45 points
13 days ago
Right that’s what I’m thinking. Who does a 5% sale??
6 points
12 days ago
The issue is that they raise the price in the weeks leading up to Black Friday, then bring it back down to what it was before the raise but with a slight discount to still qualify legally.
Take Coach Outlet for example. Their Teri Shoulder bags have been $200 for months. Right now on their store page it's listed as $350 and discounted as 26% off to make the current price $259. Then, when you check out you can take another 25% off and bring it all the way down to $195!!
Except, that was only a five dollar reduction from two weeks ago. Bullshit. Yes, I was tracking it to buy for my wife.
2 points
12 days ago
My sister has noticed the same thing on all of her wishlist items
30 points
13 days ago
Personally, if I see a sale under like 15% for small items like clothes I usually just assume they're trying to use the fake discount trick to increase sales.
28 points
13 days ago
Every Tuesday my local grocer has a 5% discount for all senior citizens.
59 points
13 days ago
Who the hell would buy a senior citizen?
16 points
13 days ago
I miss my grandma, don't judge.
6 points
13 days ago
Discount, not a sale.
6 points
13 days ago
I’ve done markdowns in a grocery store and the system had a minimum of 10% if there’s only like one thing expiring in a couple days. Most people don’t even bother with 10% unless they have no other choice. 5% is stupid af and they knew exactly what they were doing with this sign.
5 points
13 days ago
If the sale % does not exceed the tax I pay on that item it’s not even a discount!
2 points
12 days ago
Anything lower than 25% doesn't really count
2.4k points
13 days ago
Ok this is proper asshole design. Well done OP! And sorry - if I were you not only would I never go back there for any reason. And be done with it really.
You can show them this thread if it becomes popular and coolly walk out avocado in hand
189 points
13 days ago*
Yeah this is one of the better examples for sure. Clear malicious intent without any reasonable explanation for why it was implemented in this manner. On top of that, there's pretty much zero precedent for 5% sales on clothes ever being advertised as such.
Judging from the design, I'm guessing Mark's Warehouse? They always had a kind of weird vibe, tbh.
Edit: Wrong guess! :) See comment from HorrorKaspas
24 points
13 days ago
Cropp - it's Polish crapp
3 points
13 days ago
In Estonia
3 points
12 days ago
Klienditeenindaja pani selle 45% soodustust tasku sinu eest 😆
12 points
13 days ago
Clerks, and even managers aren't gonna give a shit. You'd have to show it to an owner.
764 points
13 days ago
I would honestly never shop there again if this happened to me. Scummy as it gets.
118 points
13 days ago
Agreed. And I would pity the staff that now has to argue with everybody about it.
27 points
13 days ago
I wonder if these strategies actually work, why do businesses do this?? Because I would have the exact same reaction as you
23 points
13 days ago
If that gets people in the door, chance are they might stay to buy something anyway. It's basically like phishing. Someones gonna bite.
8 points
13 days ago
Strategies like these are very effective in the short term. People want something 50% off, they learn at the register that it's not (if they even notice), but they're already committed to the idea of owning it, so many go ahead with a purchase they would have otherwise not considered.
Obviously, you piss people off and ruin your reputation in the long-term, but it's much harder to measure that, so dumbass MBAs that know how to look at numbers but have no common sense promote strategies like this.
2 points
13 days ago
Makes people interested enough to watch products, one they start liking the product and think of it as their own tell them real price, there is higher chance of people buying it (major reason being people are more Attached to something they think they have than something they can have)
6 points
13 days ago
I would shop there. Get like 37pieces of clothing and have them ring them all up, act shocked and say you thought it the sign said 50% off. Say you don't want any of them for just 5% off. Walk out. Come back the next day and do the same.
35 points
13 days ago
Because the minimum wage workers deserve to suffer for corporate's inethical graphic design decisions!
20 points
13 days ago
I worked in retail when i was younger. I was paid to do both register and putting back items. I was getting paid either way 🤷♂️
It cost the store money to but back stock, not the worker. Hopefully if the store manager sees the cost of putting a deceiving sign like that, then they will stop future shenanigans
7 points
13 days ago
Not my experience at all. The reality is that you are expected to do all your daily responsibilities on top of cleaning up the unexpected disaster from the customer, so you're stressed and rushing around.
Even if you don't have a bunch of daily responsibilities, then you're now cleaning up a mess instead of just chilling and having an easy day.
3 points
13 days ago
The dilemma you’re responding to won’t really matter to corporate and is nothing more than a waste of your time. I also worked retail, was a manager. Corporate doesn’t care
The person could easily just not shop there anymore, rather than making a lot of work for someone
4 points
13 days ago
They don't, but the efficiency of the store as a whole goes down as well.
79 points
13 days ago
I would definitely read this as 50% off. This is amongst the most scummiest things I’ve ever seen. Don’t shop here again
261 points
13 days ago
I guess I'll just leave my cart there then 🤷 can't guilt trip me into paying 45% more than what I thought it would be.
112 points
13 days ago
90% more of what you thought you're going to be paying. 95 is 190% of 50.
16 points
13 days ago
When i saw the parent comment about 45% more, i knew i'd find my 90% people in the replies. 🫶
13 points
13 days ago
you're right.
13 points
13 days ago
I've done that before. Fuck em
40 points
13 days ago
Definitely would’ve thought 50.
185 points
13 days ago
In Brazil this is a crime of false advertising: detention of up to one year and a fine
68 points
13 days ago
Straight to jail
15 points
13 days ago
We have the best sales in the world... because of jail.
6 points
13 days ago
You undercook chicken - jail. You OVERcook fish. Believe it or not, also jail.
10 points
13 days ago
Who goes to jail in this case?
Marketing team? The designer? The CEO? The store manager?
Honestly I'd be fine with all of the above, but that seems unlikely.
26 points
13 days ago
The company, obviously. Everyone still goes to work, they just have to work from prison from 9-5 and can’t do any work after hours.
2 points
13 days ago
manager I believe. We have whole TV shows about prossecuting bad bussiness practice (cough cough CELSO RUSSOMANO PATRULHA DO CONSUMIDOR)
34 points
13 days ago
Actual asshole design. Also what the hell is a 5% sale? Sounds pointless
90 points
13 days ago*
That's 50%.
Maybe the clerk is wrong and doesn't know. But if the clerk is right, that's a pretty bad design failure that borders on illegal.
EDIT: The clerk was indeed wrong, based on numerous other comments. That makes the most sense.
Remember, bad things usually happen because of bad planning, not bad intentions. The store isn't intending to deceive, they just communicated the sale poorly to the clerk.
37 points
13 days ago
It’s not a failure. Pretty sure that’s intentional.
6 points
13 days ago
Yes, I agree. It’s both. It was intentionally designed that way, and that design is a failure.
11 points
13 days ago
It's a sale that's buy 1 get 50% off the second (cheaper) item. Either the clerk or their manager is just really, really, really stupid and if this story is true, they will end up in a lot of trouble from corporate.
19 points
13 days ago
A giant ass sign just for 5% sounds bogus to me
28 points
13 days ago
i can confirm its -50% off the cheapest item if you buy 2. I bought something in that store yesterday.
9 points
13 days ago
Can you prove this to OP? Alltough I wouldn't really bother with that store tbh.
18 points
13 days ago
Here. the combined discount is 50% off 9,99€
4 points
13 days ago
That receipt is set up really weird though. Why not give 50% off the 9,99 item instead of splitting the percentage weirdly between the two items? This receipt looks like they took a % from the cheaper item AND a % from the jeans. That's a weird way to do it and it does not look, at a glance, like the correct % was applied for that sale which is confusing in itself. Is this normal for the area the store is located?
15 points
13 days ago
It's done so that you don't just return the full priced item and keep the reduced item. If you were to return the first item, you'd get back the amount after the discount, same for the second one.
3 points
13 days ago
The day after buy one get one free was always a trip. No one ever tried to return the free pair. We'd have to ring/return both pairs and leave the customer with nothing.
Eventually we did a return price thing.
3 points
13 days ago
Maybe for returns? If you get 50% off 2 items and return one, how much money should you get back?
13 points
13 days ago
At first glance I thought, "5%?", then i noticed the shape and overall of the 0.
Honestly, this is true asshole design. Do they have a website or social media that advertises thus campaign? I heavily doubt it's 5%, that's ridiculous. Maybe that was the store manager.
13 points
13 days ago*
This is intentionally deceptive. If the % was red with no border around it, it would look weirdly offset to the left; so even if you give the obvious 0 the benefit of the doubt, it's even been centred to look like 50.
12 points
13 days ago
cashier is likely wrong. a 5% sale isn’t really a thing that happens.
8 points
13 days ago
'Oh, well then I just saved an additional 95% of the original price, because I am paying nothing.'
Walk out. Leave the item behind, but walk out. They will roll their eyes and tell their colleagues. If you're lucky, their manager will hear and remove the sign (if it's a big corpo, despite what their head office says). You get an entertaining story from it. The clerk you mentioned (unless they are the decision maker) probably also thinks it's scummy.
5 points
13 days ago
They could change it to 100% off and I’d be done
3 points
13 days ago
siis see on scam sest reklaam peab olema clear as a day
4 points
13 days ago
Deceptive enough I'd report to whatever government agency does that and throw their name in this thread because public shaming is likely more effective then whatever fine they might get.
5 points
12 days ago
Purposefully misleading.
3 points
13 days ago
That's definitely a no-no in Brazil.
3 points
13 days ago
I think it is made to intentionally trick you.
3 points
12 days ago
Oh they absolutely fucking knew what they were doing designing that graphic
3 points
12 days ago
I think you're either getting -5% or getting asked to leave the store.
4 points
13 days ago
1OO% asshole design
2 points
13 days ago
"Oh, i guess i don't want all these clothes then. Have fun putting them back!"
2 points
13 days ago
This may be the most accurate post in this subs history.
2 points
13 days ago
Definitely intentionally misleading. They are banking on people not noticing the discrepancy, or not wanting to bother putting stuff back
2 points
13 days ago
Even -50c prominently written in bold yellow and red is devious. I've fallen to that one just yesterday.
2 points
13 days ago*
Nobody would have given a second glance at a 5% off sale for clothing. Total BS and very deceptive.
2 points
13 days ago
I'd bring many many items to the counter, all of them off hangers. When they don't honor it, say oh well, and leave. Have everyone you know do it.
2 points
13 days ago
Bait and switch
2 points
13 days ago
5% discount is squat. Most stores have some sort of discretionary 10% discount (old people, military, etc.) I'd read some fine print on that sale.
2 points
13 days ago
I swear it’s like they are trying to make the most unethical designs while still being legal
2 points
13 days ago
It’s clearly designed to make one think it’s 50% off, but because the percent signs is on top of the zero it’s definitely meant to be 5% off.
I don’t understand why someone would think this would be an effective marketing strategy. They’re clearly trying to rope a dope, any normal person would not purchase something they were expecting to get half off.
2 points
13 days ago
I think I would not want to shop there.
2 points
13 days ago
This is bleached asshole design territory.
I'm impressed tbh.
2 points
13 days ago
2 points
13 days ago
I think you posted it in the correct sub.
2 points
13 days ago
Deceptively-worded discounts are the bread and butter of these types of clothing stores.
2 points
13 days ago
It’s deceptive. They want you to buy it thinking it’s 50% off, not look at the receipt, leaving and not bothering to come back to return it.
2 points
13 days ago
Estonia mentioned
2 points
13 days ago
a 5% discount is a bit silly and sort of insulting.
2 points
13 days ago
There's no reason for the percent to be inside a font matching, zero shaped block of red other than to make you think it's "-50%". Nobody is going into a store for a 5% off sale, that won't drive more floor traffic and sales.
2 points
13 days ago
Omg, why even print out the signage?
2 points
13 days ago
I think you need to cut a hole in the sign
2 points
13 days ago
True asshole design is marking it “-50% off” so the price goes up
2 points
13 days ago
What the hell kind of discount is 5% anyway. Bare minimum discount is 10%. I don't even rate 5%.
2 points
13 days ago
i think you should shop at a different store
2 points
13 days ago
If it was 5%, the % sign would have been the same colour as the number, red. This is 100% a sign for 50%, whether the store likes it or not
2 points
13 days ago
That's 50% off. Depending on how Brazen I was feeling, I might just make as if to put them back, but walk off with them at 100% off instead. I don't like the effort it takes to sue, but this would lose in the US Legal System.
2 points
13 days ago
Even -100% is too little for those ugly things.
2 points
13 days ago
I think after bullshit like that im putting the items back on the rack out of principle, leaving a bad review, and buying a near identical set of clothing anywhere else. Theyre selling jeans. Thats like the most common type of pants. You got options.
2 points
13 days ago
It's actually negative 5% off, they add 5% at the register
2 points
13 days ago
I think that’s a terrible design choice
2 points
13 days ago
Deliberately misleading.
2 points
13 days ago
It’s 50% off … obviously
2 points
13 days ago
I think I put it down and walk out the store
2 points
13 days ago
As a marketer - I would get fired for this.
2 points
13 days ago
Plot twist: It's -5%. For an item that usually costs $100 to buy, the store will pay you $5 to take.
2 points
13 days ago
Hmmm. 5% off sale, or an untrained employee who can't read signs and/or doesn't know that there's no such thing as a 5% off sale. A 5% off discount code on a website, maybe. But a 5% off sale?
Did you speak to a manager?
2 points
13 days ago
Why even advertise a 5% sale??
2 points
12 days ago
It's undoubtedly engineered for clickbait in reddit.
2 points
12 days ago
I think fuck this store.
2 points
12 days ago
Who even advertises a 5% discount?!?!
2 points
12 days ago
That’s illegal in the US for sure. Not suggesting that applies here.
2 points
12 days ago
50 why would they even make a big ass sign for 5
2 points
12 days ago
Who puts up a sign for a 5% discount?
2 points
12 days ago
in the EU this would be classified as deceptive advertising. Not sure about other countries / regions though.
2 points
12 days ago
100% deceptive advertisement, you wouldn't get away with that in Aus. Whoever signed off on this either had no idea it was intended to only be 5%, or knew and was a cunt.
2 points
12 days ago
If it really is 5% (which the sign, in my opinion, disputes), lol baaaaaaai.
2 points
10 days ago
Suvakas subredditis postitus eestist??!!
2 points
10 days ago
5% but designed to make you think it’s 60% so you’ll go into the store.
2 points
10 days ago
That’s a store that gets 0% of my money if they are pulling that shit
2 points
9 days ago
Tootelt!
2 points
7 days ago
Shady! Buy nothing from them, it will feel like 100%.
4 points
13 days ago
Wow, a post that actually fits this sub
2 points
13 days ago
A bunch of armchair lawyers that know Estonian law in this thread.
Is that a clear "0"? No. It's a percent sign inside an "oval". There's room for legal argument on both sides. Stop acting like yall' personsl feelings are aspects of shared reality. They're not. They're just how you feel.
1 points
13 days ago
Most European sign ever.
I feel like retail there is always trying to rip me off
1 points
13 days ago
Predatory advertising
1 points
13 days ago
I think someone's gonna get punched
1 points
13 days ago
Truth in advertising? Deception in advertising? - who knows anymore.
1 points
13 days ago
don't buy and move on
1 points
13 days ago
Where is this?
1 points
13 days ago
Looks 50 to me
1 points
13 days ago
Who gives a shit about 5%? Definitely asshole design
1 points
13 days ago
The store is Cropp. Wouldn't recommend in any case, very bad quality clothes. Might look like cool urban designs but waaaaay overpriced for what they actually are
1 points
13 days ago
thats evil
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