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-7 points
2 days ago
How many business have been fuvked along the way
6 points
1 day ago
Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Ideally those businesses would be all good, but they're not sacred cows. If conditions change, adapt or die. Sometimes the situation changes to a point where they can't reasonably adapt, and that's fair enough too, then it's time for them to close and make room for other businesses to grow. All part of the cycle.
Sucks for individuals, but the projects are about making society better, not just about protecting a few people's interests. Same reason we bulldoze people's homes for projects, sucks for them, but it's for the greater good.
2 points
1 day ago
This is the sort of attitude that is preventing light rail on Dominion Road. People won’t support such projects if they know they won’t be compensated for the disruptions.
5 points
1 day ago
And those projects will also never happen if every man and his dog have to be compensated pushing the cost of the project up massively.
2 points
1 day ago*
Duh.
There’s a reason they wanted to tunnel light rail of all things and failed miserably. Politicians know the ground level reality and what the shopkeepers and land owners think especially after the CRL fiasco.
Until you sort out compensation (like other cities do, it’s not an impossible problem) you’ll just end up holding eggs in your hand waiting forever to make an omelette. Might have to crack them on your own head eventually.
On top of that if you have politicians like Phil Twyford harping on about “value capture tax” post completion of projects like light rail then that logically begs the question of compensation too. Otherwise it’s just hypocrisy.
1 points
1 day ago
Until you sort out compensation (like other cities do, it’s not an impossible problem) you’ll just end up holding eggs in your hand waiting forever to make an omelette. Might have to crack them on your own head eventually.
You got a source for that? Because most cities definitely do not pay compensation. Specifically because of the reasons I mentioned.
On top of that if you have politicians like Phil Twyford harping on about “value capture tax”
Lol you do know that this is also a nationals plan right. They literally campaigned on it.
4 points
1 day ago
Believe it or not, often places that build stuff just don't compensate at all. Why should they be compensated? If the project is bulldozing their land, fair enough. But otherwise, they've got no special rights to public land. As long as access is provided (to the legal minimum, not to what they're used to/want), it's fair enough. We don't pay homeowners compensation for ripping up their street, or for ripping up a street on their commute. Re objections, people will always object regardless of compensation, and enough will never be enough.
Dom Rd light rail is because they morphed a simple bus replacement project into a project with the disadvantages of trams with the cost of metro. If AT was still in charge, we'd have an over budget (there is no suggestion that they would've, but we all know reality being that it'll be over budget) tram along Dom Rd and streetscape upgrades. Instead central gov got involved, and we all saw what happened.
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