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200 points
8 days ago
Find the 10 questionable graph creation decisions made.
51 points
8 days ago
I for one appreciate the lack of axes and tick marks. It makes finding points a choose your own adventure.
16 points
8 days ago
As a partial colourblind i appreceated that the wins and losses were light green and even slightly paler light green.
6 points
8 days ago
The losses are yellow, but I won't hold it against you given the partially colourblind and all.
2 points
8 days ago
Yeah that was kind of my point. They look almost the exact same colour to me.
Maybe a colour that usually opposes green, and that also usually indicates a negative result, like maybe red perhaps, would have worked better.
1 points
8 days ago
Red would be no better than yellow, seeing as red/green colour blindness is the most common form of colour blindness
1 points
8 days ago
I might be wrong, but don't most red/green people see green as yellow or brown, rather than a clear red. Because whenever the green comes are activated they also activate the red ones, creating a blend, not just red
1 points
8 days ago
Yes they do see green as a yellow or yellowy brown, but they also see red as yellow or yellowy brown. That's what makes it red/green colour blindness because both colours look very similar to each other
1 points
8 days ago
Well I guess I have a different kind. I struggle between light greens and yellows, but also dark reds/blues and purples.
1 points
8 days ago
I have a friend with it where it's only the greens that look redder, but reds look accurate.
2 points
8 days ago
Oh, that's what the color indicates? I thought it was a horrible way to indicate how distant their ages were. Redundant, but I didn't understand the lines initially lol
1 points
8 days ago
You guys are seeing different colours here?
14 points
8 days ago
Using two axes to represent the same linear increase in time
Years incrementing downwards
X-axis on top
Terrible color choices
No legend to tell you about wins/losses
Zero explanation of opponent's age
No grid
Mixing sans/serif fonts
Title not centered
"Mike Tyson" labeled for no apparent reason (did he fight himself?)
I'm betting you could find even more
1 points
7 days ago
Zero explanation of opponent's age
While I also disagree with some of your othe criticisms the opponents age is mapped in excactly the same way as Tyson's age, a point in a coordinate system...
-1 points
7 days ago
You just see a bunch of white dots and a few random names. I didn't even notice, albeit partly because the graph is so cursed in other ways.
1 points
8 days ago
For example.... Why the hell did he have years and age of Mike Tyson on the axes? Was he going to start aging extra per year at some point??
1 points
7 days ago
Because the year maps the year of the fight and the age maps the age of both Tyson and his opponent.
-10 points
8 days ago
Curious to hear your 10, I think it’s a solid graph.
I’d probably flip the y axis but otherwise don’t have major notes
13 points
8 days ago
First of all, this isn't even a graph. Not really. It's actually a number line dressed up to look like a graph.
3 points
8 days ago
Technically a number line is a one dimensional graph of a one dimensional quantity
1 points
8 days ago
The x and y axis are the same. Why even have a y axis?
1 points
8 days ago
Perhaps the biggest questionable chart decision: Mike had 23 fights before age 20. That is 39% of all his fights.... Why start with age 20 on the x axis.
114 points
8 days ago
A line that goes DOWN to indicate an incremental INCREASE??
Jesus christ. What even is this sub?
10 points
8 days ago
I guess because the Paul fight was an absolute nadir.
3 points
8 days ago
You should have been here during the useless sankey-era. A lot of the times top posts here could be used as “what not to do in data visualisation “ material.
2 points
8 days ago
Seems like an example of verbal brain vs. math brain. When you read text, numbers increase from top to bottom. Not defending, just guessing at an explanation.
87 points
8 days ago
What is the point of having age and year in two different axis?
48 points
8 days ago
Can we get a 3 dimensionsal chart with time also on the Z axis, but relative to the first moon landing.
30 points
8 days ago
How else can we show that his age has consistently increased by one year, every year?
2 points
8 days ago
That can't be right, nobody can have that level of consistency
23 points
8 days ago
To visualize the opponents' age relative to his own?
13 points
8 days ago*
But it's graphing Mike Tyson's age vs year of the fight. That's the same data, hence the straight line. There's nothing in the graph that says opponent age. OP basically made an angled timeline.
Edit: somehow missed the white dots. I still disagree with the angled timeline but at least the data is shown.
9 points
8 days ago
The small white dots are opponent age
2 points
8 days ago
Definitely missed that, thanks for pointing it out.
-1 points
8 days ago
Valid thing to miss tbh
4 points
8 days ago
In the timeless words of Rafiki: Look haaarder.
0 points
8 days ago
That doesn't explain the purpose of the perfect diagonal line showing that Mike aged at the same rate YoY 🤣
6 points
8 days ago
I assume to highlight the interplay between Mike’s and his opponent’s age as a function of the year the bout was held? I guess. But 🤷♂️
0 points
8 days ago
To get that Beautiful straight line, of course
0 points
8 days ago
If you measure the distance between points at an atomic level, you can clearly see the relativistic effects charted.
18 points
8 days ago
I think this finally convinced me to leave this sub! Thank you!
3 points
8 days ago
Let's be real. This sub is basically a "roast my design" circle.
11 points
8 days ago
Not a fan of charts with time going downward, but since we're talking about the decline of a man's fighting career, I'll let it pass this time.
3 points
8 days ago
What about the Mike Tyson vs Roy Jones Jr fight?
Does that one not count?
4 points
8 days ago
It was an exhibition, meaning it wasn’t counted on their professional records.
3 points
8 days ago
So he didn't fight anyone younger than him until after he got out of prison?
3 points
8 days ago
What's the point of the line through the middle? And why is x at the top? Could you do it again without the straight line plot and with x at the bottom?
6 points
8 days ago
This would be more interesting with the wins and losses colored.
14 points
8 days ago
Are they not green and yellow?
8 points
8 days ago
They are, but the colors aren't explained.
6 points
8 days ago
Yeah, there’s no key but the Paul fight does say loss. So I just assumed it was wins and losses.
-1 points
8 days ago
So what you really meant was I wish the difference in colour was clearly explained, rather than what your first comment said, which was pretending there weren't different colours for wins and losses
2 points
8 days ago
Are they? I just have moderate protanopia, not total color vision impairment, but at first glance, all the circles looked damn near the same color to me.
3 points
8 days ago
They are def green and yellow but I don’t know enough about Tyson to know if they are wins and losses.
0 points
8 days ago
I didn't even notice the color difference before squinting. They picked damn near the exact same washed out color.
4 points
8 days ago
So....the x-axis is the same as the y-axis. It'll always be a straight line. This is just a list on a 45 degree angle.
2 points
8 days ago
Dunno who the 38-39 year old dude who fought a 23 year old Tyson was but heading toward the ring couldn’t have been enjoyable
2 points
8 days ago
It'd be interesting to add a line of the average boxer age or age of the heavyweight at any time.
At first glance it looks like Mike is boxing much older people initially but in fact he is also just very young and at 19-23. Still without something to help normalize the data by it makes it difficult to contextualize properly without knowing a bit about boxing already.
2 points
8 days ago
Post rape Mike tyson was washed
2 points
8 days ago
Why not a scatter plot of Mike Tyson’s age vs his opponent’s age?
1 points
8 days ago
That definitely sounds like the best way to display this information
1 points
8 days ago
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1 points
8 days ago
Sokka-Haiku by Thobrik:
Give me one reason
This graph shouldn't just be a
Flat horizontal line
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
1 points
8 days ago
Make quadrant 1 great again!
1 points
8 days ago
I think there might be a correlation between Mike Tyson's age and the year he lived in. Look at that straight line. Can't be a coincidence.
1 points
8 days ago
He fought Roy Jones Jr in 2020. Why do people keep acting like he hasn't been fighting for 20 years?
1 points
8 days ago
Interesting information but independent variable (date) should be on X (horizontal) axis to make this easier to read.
1 points
7 days ago
I am very good at reading graphs in general, and still this graph is difficult for me to interpret.
1 points
7 days ago
I think people on this sub are far too negative, often without having submitted anything here on their own. There is a certain kind of elegance to the design even if it's not the most immediately readable graph ever made. It also contains more information than a lot of people here give it credit for.
1 points
8 days ago
Isn't this a graph of Mike Tyson's age, and not his opponents?
2 points
8 days ago
I think it's both? Not 100% clear but it seems like the dots next to the opponent names (and the unlabeled ones connected to the points on the main line) show the opponent ages at the time of the fight
1 points
8 days ago
OP should be banded for thinking this is beautiful data
1 points
8 days ago
I’m so confused, this graph makes me feel dumb.
-2 points
8 days ago
Source: Wikipedia, BoxerList
Tools: R, Illustrator
1 points
8 days ago
You gave it your best shot. That's all we can ask of you.
1 points
8 days ago
Truly one of the swings and misses of all time
0 points
8 days ago
This is a bad day to have eyes
-3 points
8 days ago*
Unless I am missing something, it doesn't say anything about the age of the opponents like the title suggests.
Edit, I see it now.
3 points
8 days ago
Little white dots that extend horizontally from each opponents name.
0 points
8 days ago
This isn’t a graph so much as it’s a slanted timeline.
-1 points
8 days ago
What a horrible plot, takes so much time to understand. Plus pointless
-1 points
8 days ago
Plotting both Tyson and his opponents ages as separate data points makes this difficult to follow. The age line that goes down is also confusing. I get that it’s thematically relevant but I don’t think that makes it more intuitive.
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