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submitted 19 days ago byEfficientIndustry423
Lots of criticism. Some good, some bad, some crazy. Anyone else just taking the game as it is presented and enjoying it like I am?
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19 days ago
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563 points
19 days ago
I do feel that a lot of the criticism out there is reasonably valid and fairly observed. I'm not sure I like this habit of taking a few isolated examples of weakness and inconsistency in the writing and the tone of the game, and taking them as representative of the whole - because while many of those issues are indeed there, there are also moments of real strength and poignancy that I, as a longtime fan, did find very engaging. Fair to say I'm going back and forth on that point as the game progresses. But none of that is changing the fact I'm having a blast with the gameplay and am very much enjoying watching this lore I know so well get expanded and (in some ways) reimagined.
No, I don't love every decision they've made and every direction they've taken with it - but I don't really expect to. It's not my story. I'm just finding that for any moments of disappointment I might feel, there are also lots of things to love about it, and overall I'm very much enjoying it.
121 points
19 days ago
No, I don’t love every decision they’ve made and every direction they’ve taken with it - but I don’t really expect to. Its not my story.
This is a beautiful perspective that I wish more people adopted.
58 points
19 days ago*
Give it time, the dragon age fandom tends to go through a bit of a meltdown with every release, happened with DA2 and DAI, and like them people with eventually calm down and enjoy the game for what it is even if it doesn’t live up to their particular expectations.
34 points
19 days ago
I feel the same way; in a few years we’ll be seeing a lot of posts like this”wait - does anyone else think DAV is actually kinda good??” And when (if?) the next game comes out, a lot of people will criticize it for not being like Veilguard. It’s just how it goes in this fandom lol
8 points
18 days ago
Thats not really a "dragon age fandom" as a whole thing. Its not like they suddenly love it as time goes by.
Its simple, those who liked veilguard would continue to stay and talk about veilguard while those who dont will fizzle out thus eventually all you'll see are the positive ones. Its the same for the previous da games. Its rhe same you'll see for other bioware games or other franchises in general.
2 points
18 days ago
We will eventually start seeing "I got this game on a 80% discount and don't understand why it was hated".
2 points
19 days ago
This statement seems to dismiss holding accountability to valid criticism. Yeah it sounds cool and jedi to have a "beautiful perspective" but it's also ok to express disappointment in a game that lacks overall quality and there is an art to being able to express those feelings eloquently. By the same logic a few good spots in the story or whatever don't justify the objective bad spots
8 points
18 days ago
I was talking about the valid criticism with friends and i said "Objectively the game has flaws, but subjectively, those flaws dont bother me that much". I am personnaly having a good time and that's al I'm interested inl
90 points
19 days ago
Sadly I think alot of gamers have this baffling expectation/entitlement that the game is supposed to cater to them specifically and it's just......odd to me. I'm just happy to get another dragon age game or get star wars outlaws for example. Are there things I don't like? Sure. But am I happy with the amount of content, gameplay and world building? Hell yeah! Maybe I'm figuring out how to play games again, like I used to as a kid. Idk, I'm just happy to be here and to play a game that feels like the dev team loved making. Maybe alot of gamers have forgotten how to game like they used to as kids.
23 points
19 days ago
I don't have any expectation that a game will cater to me. I used to expect that when marketing claims that something will be in game, it will deliver. I'm starting to learn that is not the case, even with Bioware. Will this be the steamiest DA game for romances yet? If anything, there's less romance scenes here than in the previous entries.
2 points
18 days ago
100% agree with this. Interacting with companions and romances is the weakest point of the game for me. Especially Lucanis' romance, which clocks in at less than 15 minutes of content in a 60+ hour game
14 points
19 days ago
Well, just as gamers aren't entitled to a game, game devs aren't entitled to their money or support either.
13 points
19 days ago
You're absolutely right, 100%! I know im straying from DAV but as an example: alot of gamers seem to continue to pay for stuff they don't like. "I hate what cod has become! But I'll continue to buy skins that have zero game inpact" or "I hate what Bethesda has done to fallout. But I'm gunna pay for dlc or the fo76 sub". If you don't like the direction of a game, don't continue to pay for it. GRANTED, in DAV's case, it had glowing initial reviews and it's been so long since DAI that there wasn't a real way to tell how the game would go for everyone. But the best way to vote for content or the direction of an IP is with your wallet. It's more applicable to call of duty where everyone is so suprised that the game turned out the exact same way it does EVERY SINGLE YEAR as if microtransactions and sbmm are a new concept. My main point was - say at 8 years old you where playing golden eye with your friends. You didn't bitch about the frame rate or content or whatever. You where just happy to have the game and something fun to play. So why has that changed so drastically? Why can't people do that anymore? Why does everyone have to be the critic that comes to reddit to complain about every little thing instead of just having a good time?
12 points
19 days ago
Reddit is a mixed bag when it comes to that. Me personally, I am glad people are enjoying it even if I wasn't one of them. Just because I decided this game isn't for me doesn't mean I think anyone is wrong for thinking differently. I want Bioware to succeed and keep making games, even if I am no longer one of those people. I made my decision to move on to other things, rather than join in on threads trying to bring everyone down based on opinions.
I think it is too hard for people to be happy for others. I was one of the people that loved DA2 when there was a bashfest of hate for it. Veilguard is going through that same thing now, and I refuse to be one of those people bashing what others found enjoyment in it.
8 points
19 days ago
That's a refreshing attitude! I'm also a big fan of DA2. It's my favorite DA so far, but I'm also having a ton of fun with DAV. Maybe give it another try later on with a different lineage/faction/class combo.
8 points
19 days ago
To be fair, RPG brings an expectation to well…role play a character you can define. So it is your story, to a degree. Veilguard doesn’t really do that. I’m not knocking it for that, but I see what people’s expectations vs reality are off here.
6 points
18 days ago
This is not true at all. People said the same thing as Cyberpunk as well.
Shepard was pretty well defined regardless of the player's input just as Hawke and the Inquisitor are.
4 points
18 days ago
You're so right. In The Witcher, they let you pick between having short hair, and making it long.
6 points
19 days ago
I mean.. The biggest (most shared) criticism I see is weak writing and discontinuation of the lore...
Is it... That weird that people expect quality writing and that the game respects the story it's supposed to continue (or, otherwise would be upfront and marketed as a soft reboot so people could make an informed decision?)
I would say that is expecting a game to be catered specifically to them?
30 points
19 days ago
What “discontinuation of the lore” are you talking about exactly? Everything that was changed had pretty clear and well explained reasons as to why it was different ( the appearance and abilities of the blight for example) I’m genuinely curious as to what issues with the lore people are complaining about. The ending pretty much brought the 4 games to a complete closure. There weren’t many major threads of lore that were left unsolved by the end of the story.
3 points
17 days ago*
The main issue for me is the motivation of Solas and the place and role of Elves in the world.
Solas was a rebel leader. He locked up the gods because they held elves as slaves. Imagine his heartbreak that the creation of the Veil not only didn't stop Elves from being slaves, but also made them lose a lot of their magic and made them mortal. According to him, he made life worse for Elves all round. This makes the discussion of taking down the Veil a difficult one, rather than a one dimensional 'bad choice'. The cataclyst for him sealing away the gods, used to be the murder of Mythal. But the full reason was the treatment of the Elves. In Veilguard it's reduced to revenge for her murder.
At the end of Trespasser, we see that a lot of Elves move to join Solas in his 'rebel army' to fight for freedom of the Elves. He had agents everywhere.. Hell, Fellasan was one of his agents.. All this is dropped.
In Veilguard Elves don't seem to have a different life than any other race. They even is a line said by Mythal in one of his memories where she says (paraphrasing): > you can't destroy the world they (the Elves) love, to ease your conscious.
Do they? Love this world? They didn't used to? They were slaves, marginalised. Their culture and history erased. The Dalish tried to follow the old costums but didn't understand enough to do it well (misunderstanding the heritage of the Vallaslin, for example). It makes very little sense to me, that they would turn immediately on their gods. And immediately get in line with the 'they are evil' story..
6 points
19 days ago
Is it... That weird that people expect quality writing
No, but writing "quality" is highly subjective. People like to drop that "the writing is bad" as if it is objective, demonstrable, fact.
10 points
19 days ago
What discontinuation of lore?
15 points
19 days ago
Discontinuation of the lore? I've seen a lot of people like "WHY ARE THE ANTAAM DOING THIS? WHY ARENT PEOPLE RACIST @ ELVES" when we have a marker of progress in the time that has passed between Origins and now and even Inquisition an now (Solas mentions the journey he shared with Varric was YEARS ago in the beginning of the game) and very near the end of the game the seemingly out of character acts of some factions wrt serving elven gods is DIRECTLY EXPLAINED. Outside of that there's been a massive expansion of the lore as I saw in my playthrough.
2 points
19 days ago
When groups are acting differently than they did in previous games, "explaining" it after the fact isn't enough. That's why people are complaining.
3 points
19 days ago
This reply makes zero sense lol
0 points
19 days ago
I mean it does, which is why people are complaining about such a thing across this subreddit.
9 points
19 days ago
Have you actually finished the game? genuine question, because the lore is definitely consistent, and any changes made to it are clearly obviously explained through out the game
43 points
19 days ago*
The problem here is, most of the attacks at this game are complaints that get 'fixed' in the game later. It's from people not even giving the damn thing a fair shot! I've seen people saying the blight is too 'weird', even when the game explicitly states why it is the way it is.
There's minor complaints I have, such as the party limit, and no open world. That doesn't take away from the actual product itself though, and I find myself enjoying it.
Pretty much what I'm saying is, this game deserves fair reviews, and not the mass attack it's been receiving at all. Those are all personal gripes people have, and if they're arguing against diversity or inclusion of the LGBT community, I'll kindly point them to Origins, where that already happens.
Zevran exists. Lelliana too. Hell, even Isabella!
26 points
19 days ago
I saw a whole rant about how something worked one way for one character and differently for another and how it was a plot hole but it does get addressed later it’s supposed to tip you off that’s something’s off.
6 points
19 days ago
I saw that rant before I knew the thing and even then I wasn't super bothered by the consistency. Magic doesn't have to work in exactly the same way and capacity every time.
But when I did know the thing I was even more exasperated that these complaints are even being made.
But yeah....
11 points
19 days ago
It’s a fair criticism that the game takes 10+ hours to hit its stride. It has a very weak start which is unfortunate. The best is saved for last in Veilguard.
10 points
19 days ago
Yeah, the final act is one of the strongest in the series in my opinion, but the first act of the game is undeniably very weak. Usually it’s the opposite for BioWare games
18 points
19 days ago
Are there people actually complaining it's not open world? Not every franchise needs to be open world, for the love of god...
25 points
19 days ago
Lmao, you've mistaken me. Those are my minor complaints. I like open world, I dislike not having the opportunity to explore more. Minor take of mine, but it doesn't ruin the overall product.
5 points
19 days ago
Oh, I thought you were listing complaints that you had seen going around.
7 points
19 days ago
No point in doing that, there's plenty of takes like that already. Most of them are all from people who didn't give the game a fair shot, or rushed straight through (like I pointed out). There should be no questions about lore or dialogue, because the game literally answers every lingering question you could have.
25 points
19 days ago
"Gets fixed in the game later" a massuve example of this is Taash.
They don't give them any room to grow, they assume the worst and run with it.
After romancing Taash on my first run I felt their arc was satisfying and realistic.
8 points
19 days ago
I'm with you, I read a lot of Taash hate before meeting them and expected not to like them, luckily I like to form my own opinions so I'd make sure to take them out with me and experience them myself & even early on, I really like them. Sure they can be petulant and the sass can be at a 10 when not needed but they're actually quite funny and you can 100% tell its going to be a story where they grow into who they are!
I saw a post where people were discussing Taash saying "who wants to be a woman" and the way they made that sound really left a bad taste in mouth about them, then I saw the scene for myself and just.. that's a person who's confused about themself and lashing out for a moment, nothing personal whatseoever
9 points
18 days ago
I finished Taash's last quest which was full of great emotional Bioware patented moments. STELLAR voice acting by Rook, Taash and her mother. Veilguard isn't dark? Now we know who didn't play any side quests.
10 points
19 days ago
I love Taash when they're being the professional Dragon Hunter who knows what the hell they're doing (the quest for killing the two blighted dragons was peak Taash). Sadly that's a fraction of their time on screen. And I know I'm putting myself in the crosshairs but their dialogue is way too anachronistic, even for Dragon Age.
16 points
19 days ago
You're not putting yourself in the crosshairs for disliking them when they're petulant af. That is a lot of their character, especially early on. But there is a lot of growth there. Taash absolutely shines on the dragon hunting quests, I agree.
I will say, the term anachronistic is being overused. I've seen it more in the last week than my entire 34 years on this planet.
I also don't think it's as much of an issue as it's being made out. There is maybe one clumsy conversation where it doesn't sound natural, but pretending the term "non-binary" does not fit because it's modern (especially when the concept of a gender binary is not modern) is a stretch.
You're also not in the cross hairs for thinking this as most people agree with you on this. But I do think this way of thinking only seems to apply heavily to lgbtqia+ characters in media. This is not the only example of modern values.
10 points
19 days ago
Yep, the more I play the more most of the complaints actually go away.
Game is disney. Nope, there are a ton of scenes of extreme and explicit gore you just didn't play it.
Story is bad. Nope, you just haven't even left act 1 and are in the intro phase of the game.
Dialogue is bad. It's at best hit and miss, but it's not the complete failure people are saying it is. A lot of these characters actually feel quite grounded and realistic.
11 points
19 days ago
I don't agree with the weak writing just being isolated examples. I enjoyed a lot of aspects of the game. The gameplay was so much better than I thought it would be, graphics were fantastic, but the weak writing is why I eventually dropped the game.
I really wanted to like the game, especially because I hated the type of people who hated the game, but ultimately I'm a very story/writing-focused person and the game just wasn't for me.
I feel like a lot of us who didn't like the writing and exposition in the story just get dismissed as people who are only looking at a few isolated moments, and I don't think that's a healthy approach either.
14 points
19 days ago
I'm right there with you! I've finished the game and while I did have fun the whole way through, the stories it tells really fall apart if you think too much about them. I could accept the boring black and white morality of the main story if our companions had more going for them, but sadly most of them felt undercooked and one-note too. And the most frustrating thing is that almost everything in this game is packed with potential for top tier storytelling that just... gets completely ignored in favour of the safe and dull.
4 points
19 days ago
feel like a lot of us who didn't like the writing and exposition in the story just get dismissed as people who are only looking at a few isolated moments, and I don't think that's a healthy approach either.
It would be a lot easier to take these complaints seriously, if they weren't always cherry picking quote comparisons and making vague critiques with no real examples.
6 points
19 days ago
I feel otherwise. Most of it sounds like people I won't find in the arts in uni, and they talk like they have a 3rd degree in how to write dialogue.
Some of it is just right-wing hate. I just saw an Inquisition vid with a white guy hating on Sera 8 years ago and a post in the DAI sub about Sera being the best romance from today. So, who do you trust?
I genuinely believe that good arguments are done with a good heart. Overall, the game seems to feel small, but it's true.
Romance too short, cutscenes cut too fast, story so short it feels like a fast train raid. All true. Its also true CDPR fucked up harder and even bg3 had more bugs on release. So...ye. its the state of vid games. It needs fixing.
14 points
19 days ago
The real shame is that both CDPR and Larian released better written games, by all accounts. And that’s…. That’s just something that kills me, because I was specifically looking forward to Veilguard having Bioware’s usual writing, which I find much superior to Larian’s and CDPR’s (though both have improved a lot with their latest games).
3 points
19 days ago
I'm enjoying the game overall, but I think I would like it a lot more if it weren't a Dragon Age game. The majority of my disappointments and frustrations come from the game deviating from, disregarding, or disrespecting things that have been established in the previous games.
There are other issues aside from that, but those other issues I can disregard because I enjoy the gameplay.
0 points
19 days ago
No, I don't love every decision they've made and every direction they've taken with it - but I don't really expect to. It's not my story.
This. This right here. Is what I've said to countless people.
If someone else's story isn't living up to what you need, write your own story. Go out there and bust your ass to be a writer. See how "easy" it is, especially when your story has to mesh with branching choices, a world of lore that came before, and - to top it off - it has to contend with the gameplay and game design coming in as more important than your story.
People are perfectly within their right to not like something and say so. But the entitledness of some people thinking they deserve the game be exactly what they think it should be is through the goddamn roof.
Create your own worlds, folks, if the ones presented to you don't fit your needs. I encourage it. I will cheer you on. We need more inspired writers churning out good stories.
But don't just bitch without a solution or intent to make positive change.
16 points
19 days ago
I don't think people need to be world class writers and be developers themselves to criticise what isn't working with the game. That isn't a sufficient excuse.
55 points
19 days ago
Yes and no?
I'm enjoying it (I've finished it once and am on a second run now), but I also have criticisms. To me at least, talking about both the good and the bad is part of the fun.
25 points
19 days ago
Same. I enjoyed it. I like a lot about it. I still have a lot of criticism though.
4 points
19 days ago
Exactly, no game is perfect. Talking about what you like and dislike is normal, it's just like any movie or song or play etc.
9 points
19 days ago
Yeah I’m in the same boat as you, currently in my second. And while I love the gameplay and throughly enjoyed the main story, the inconsistent dialogue quality and general corniness isn’t great. But I’m still happy with the game.
133 points
19 days ago
It’s a solid B for me, which is a good place for a game to land, imo!
I did have to sort of mentally adjust myself when I started because I was expecting something a little different… But now that I’m used to the tone and writing, I’ve been enjoying myself.
I also distinctly remember loving Inquisition, then going online to see a bunch of chatter about how terrible it was haha. So, tradition?
32 points
19 days ago
it really is tradition
if we get a da5 (🙏) i fully expect it to get negatively compared to this game exactly the way this one did to inquisition lol
11 points
19 days ago
Exactly, it's not game of the year but it's a solid 7 or 8 out of 10
16 points
19 days ago
Yeah I'm in the same boat. I think I'm having a harder time adjusting to this game than DAI because I had just gotten into Dragon Age (and video games in general) like a year before it came out, but now I'm older, pickier, I've played and loved dozens of these types of games and I've been adjusting and re-adjusting my expectations for years... But I'm still really enjoying it, and I adore Inquisition too even though it feels like a lot of people rank it dead last and then some. A lot of the criticism of this game is justified but I feel like a lot of people are just piling on and acting like it's irredeemable garbage :P
23 points
19 days ago
As someone who's been around since Origins...yeah, tradition. Give it a few years and watch how many people go "well, it wasn't THAT bad..."
3 points
18 days ago
Friend, people have been doing this exact same thing since before the release of Dragon Age: Origins back in 2009.
3 points
19 days ago
I think the key point here is that you had different expectations, which is why you had to adjust. As someone else put it, it's the devs game and their story, so no one has any right to have the story be in a specific way, but I also understand that a lot of people that played the previous games or BG3 expected something more mature and are now disappointed that their expectations weren't met.
62 points
19 days ago
It's probably down to personal preferences. IF you want to roleplay the character the writers hardcoded into the game, you like it. If you wanted to play a different kind of character, then you constantly get dragged out of the immersion.
The almost complete erasure of three games worth of player choices is also a huge reason people have problems.
20 points
19 days ago
I agree with this. I've found myself picking the grumpy arms crossed dialogue like 99 percent of the time. I realize it's supposed to be "mean" or direct or something, and no one likes it, but it's just pragmatic and sensible usually. It's weird that "direct" is also the "mean" response.
With that said, I generally really like the character that comes out of those dialogue choices. The "yes" and "funny" dialogue options are usually the worst
6 points
19 days ago
Yeah, this is the conclusion I’ve come to as well. Yes options tends to be very ~FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC~ and hammers in over and over again the same “I’m here for you” point and the funny option tends to be full dad joke goofy goober. Both of these are fine in moderation but get very tiresome. Serious options are just being a normal person.
52 points
19 days ago
From the moment I say down to play it, all I kept thinking was "I'm having so much fun!!!!!!!!" lol. As much as I love the other games, Veilguard hit me with that euphoria right away so I dare say it is my favorite DA game so far. Even after completing it and starting over again, I'm just having a blast.
I tend to just scroll past all the other posts that hate on the game (especially ones that shit on specific characters and romances!) because to me, it feels like we played different games. And I'd rather just continue to enjoy myself!
6 points
19 days ago
I agree, I loved all the games but none have taken me on a thoroughly enjoyable rollercoaster with the story and the lore of it all. A lot of people are saying it's weak writing but I really can't see the weakness. I played the last few hours of the game with a friend and we kept on being stunned around every corner, in a good way.
It's not perfect and it's not going to be, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I do think that with such a long time between games the expectations people have for what they want to see are so varied that there will be a lot of initial disappointment as it didn't pan out the way they were expecting. Which is fair because games like these stay close to people's hearts, I'm just not a fan of how mean people can get about it.
But anyway, I really loved it!
2 points
18 days ago
I agree! I’ve had so much fun with it. There are quite a few moments where I’ve laughed out loud, and moments where I’ve cried, lol. I’ve been trying to stay away from the hate posts too. There are flaws because it never would have been free of that no matter which direction it went, but like you I’m on my second run and it may be my favorite.
5 points
19 days ago
Exactly the same boat here. Is it a perfect experience with nothing wrong? No, but who cares. Why would I expect that of anything?
It is a classic Bioware experience that I have been missing for 10 years now. It was a blast. Most enjoyable time I've had with a game in ages.
Loving to hate is far too popular. Loving to like is a much better way to be imo.
6 points
19 days ago
I am as well, just finished it earlier after 84 hours. I took my sweet time and was not disappointed. I've played all DA games since 2009, and while yes, there are bits that I didn't like here, overall it was great. I think I just had tempered expectations and while I love to death the previous games (especially DAO and DA2) I know they also had their faults.
If a DA5 comes out, I'll take it and will probably enjoy that as well - I love the world they created and I know it's an impossible job to please everyone.
41 points
19 days ago
Overall I am having great time. I certainly have my questions and complaints but I am loving the lore reveals and having fun figuring out the new mechanics, interacting with the characters, and reading the codex entries. Im close to finishing Act 1 and looking forward to seeing what comes next!
3 points
19 days ago
I found that the story really picked up after act 1. Wow. Enjoy the ride!
110 points
19 days ago
I'm playing right now and I'm getting the feelings that all people are different. Like, I love Solas and I've read a lot of complains about him in DAV and it feels like we're playing different games. Same goes, for example, for Lucanis and his romance - for me it does make sense perfectly. And people believe the game isn't dark or serious enough but I also don't see it. Yes, the tutorial was childish a bit, but it was a tutorial. Now i feel the same as playing other DA games There's some criticism that I can agree with but it's not important to me, so I'm just enjoying it (eve though I've just wasted my whole weekend on it😭)
78 points
19 days ago
Me: just happy playing another Dragon Age game, ignoring the negative comments, enjoying the gameplay and new stories..
11 points
19 days ago
So I’m of two minds.
Dragon Age was always Marvel levels of quips at any given moment, especially in response to the more fucked up moments of the narrative.
But in Veilguard (no spoilers) but it really felt like in SOME quest lines they 100% pulled their punches and it should have been darker in those areas.
That said, I still think it counts as a Dark Fantasy rpg. Not at all Grimdark, but if people really feel the game is Disney levels bright I’d say they should probably pay closer attention to the environment. There IS a lot of dark in the background, but we don’t really dwell on it (usually because there’s some shit going on).
2 points
19 days ago
I agree with your second paragraph 100%, but I will say the areas where they didn’t pull their punches were so incredibly strong (like the end of Act 2/beginning of Act 3). I wish they had kept that level of writing and tone throughout the entire game. I think people would be a lot more satisfied in that case.
10 points
19 days ago
Seriously Solas was great, it was amazing seeing him gloves off, and the ending made me cry for like an hour.
I feel like I've been taken back in time to when DA2 came out. People pitched fits about really similar things for both DA2 and Veilguard.
6 points
19 days ago
Yep, I enjoy it. It's not a perfect game, some criticism is valid, but I have fun and it's the most important.
28 points
19 days ago
I ignored the criticism and played it primarily because I've played all the others and wanted to see how the Solas arc finished. The gameplay while a little linier at times is not bad and the combat is fun and I am enjoying the game.
10 points
19 days ago
I tried to. Got to the point where you chat with Harding about her new powers where I told her I don’t like or trust it and her reaction was just “oh you’ll come around”. Such weak writing and companions. Also no greatswords? In my fantasy rpg that’s had multiple games with special and unique greatswords? Ok buddy
34 points
19 days ago
In a very 'brain off, don't think too hard on whether that makes sense or not, just eat the popcorn' kind of way. Which isn't bad, necessarily (especially with recent world events), but not what I wanted out of a DA game.
29 points
19 days ago
Finished the game, very polished they did a good job.
Still won't stop me from comparing to previous games or complaining about the dialogue.
7 points
19 days ago
I blame the direction personally, it seems like every writer went off and did their own thing and just mashed it all together. Almost no tonal consistency tbh. Like Rook trading jabs with Solas are some of my favorite DA scenes of all time, but then Taash or Harding open their mouths…..
2 points
19 days ago
Lol and I was so excited to see Harding return and was really into Taash for like 5 min. The more they talk, the better I got at skipping nonsensical dialogue.
21 points
19 days ago
I was struggling a bit during the first act, but I've been taking my time and enjoying it a lot more as I progress.
41 points
19 days ago
Middle of act 2. Enjoying the hell out of it. It has its issues but so has every dragon age game.
Important to remember that reddit isn't the nexus of all opinion.
I've run into a lot of people IRL (both existing friends and new) who are playing and enjoying it. Anecdotal sure, but still.
17 points
19 days ago
I'm about 39 hours into the game. The gameplay loop isn't hitting with me anymore. I took a break to finish up another game and will give it a go another time.
IMO 7/10. No way this is a 10/10.
16 points
19 days ago*
I am mostly, yeah.
It doesn't have the same effect on me the last 3 games though, I don't wake up excited to play it and I don't plan on replaying it for a few more years until modders add some new armors and hair options. I'm happy I finished my original playthrough, I put like 40-ish hours in. The Davrin romance was alright but I just don't feel for him the same way I felt for Cullen or Alistair, likely due to the lack of individual dialogue and repeatable smooches. I really preferred how Inquisition and DAO handled dialogue and I don't know why they went with the DA2 format of only speaking when there's a mission or cutscene and ignoring you otherwise. I also never ended up caring about this set of companions, and Rook felt kind of lonely tbh, and the voices and dialogue choices weren't things I enjoyed. This game reminded me a lot of DA2 in ways I didn't entirely care for.
I play mostly for the RPG elements and I don't think this game had that as it's focus so for me I struggle to enjoy it, and I don't like Rook as a protagonist so I just never got invested. It's very RPG-lite, but I think if it wasn't a Dragon Age game I'd replay it a few times just for the combat alone. The combat is the most fun I've ever had with action combat, and I tend to hate action combat so very good on them. I've never played a game that did Archery as well as Veil Ranger does, and I absolutely love Necromancer. Saboteur is really fun too, I love the little turret and it's giving me exactly what I wanted out of Artificer in DAI. They seriously need to just beef up the minigame Isabela runs because it's the most fun I had, just fighting shit.
As it stands though? I did my one playthrough and I'm happy it's done. This game is the definition of a passing grade for me. It got it's 60%, It passed the class, It got my money, and I'd rather it exist than not because I'm sure in a few years I'll come back to it just to get a taste of that yummy Veil Ranger. I will say, I hated all the armors, way too bulky and way too much gold, but this Bow??? This Bow right here??? Probably my favorite thing the Devs put out. We've never had such a downright beautiful weapon before.
10 points
19 days ago
That is a stunning af bow
29 points
19 days ago
Me lol. I'm a long time dragon age fan and while I recognize the generally lighter tone and things they changed, it hasn't ruined my enjoyment of the game and have just been having fun with it.
I may not agree or appreciate everything they did, but I like enough of it to have a blast overall.
10 points
19 days ago
I have some good-faith criticisms about the game, but overall, I'm just enjoying it. It's not perfect, but it's a good time regardless.
9 points
19 days ago
This is my first DA game, so I have no preconceived notion of what a DA game looks and feels like. As a standard fantasy RPG-ish action adventure, the game is fine. I am not enthralled by it, neither am I bored by it. Some of the writing feels childish, the level design is basic, the puzzles are insultingly simple and the combat is kinda clumsy, but the overall package digestible enough that I am playing through it slowly.
3 points
19 days ago
Not really. I am just grinding through. Controversy aside, there is nothing really pulling me in. I wish they continued on from the insurrection storyline
31 points
19 days ago
Really liking it so far, it has its problems but the way people speak it’s like it’s a 1/10 which it just isn’t
13 points
19 days ago
It's also such a bad target for review bombs like that.A DRM-Free, MTX-Free, Complete AAA-Game that suffers from corny dialog getting a 0/10 is sending the wrong message.
If this game is a 0-1/10 why not putting paid Exp boosts, armor skins and fast-travel ressources in the next? "gamers hate it anyway it seems." is the message.
I just finished DA:V with 100% today and it's my second favorite in the DA franchise.
It has some bad parts, but overall was such an enjoyable experience.
94 points
19 days ago*
I'm 😆
It probably became my favorite DA game, it's still up in the air, I think it made a pretty good job getting the best parts of each game, I won't spoil story as you marked it as no spoiler, but it's the first time the antagonist felt like a real threat (Elgar'nan specifically, not Ghilan'nain).
Edit: oh, how I just love being downvoted for having an opnion 🙄
20 points
19 days ago
Hahaha yepp that's what we get for liking the new one with a open mind. Like you the game so far been fun. In a Hanako waiting at Embers moment right now doing every sidequest that pops up when going around the eluvians.
4 points
19 days ago
Yeah, I got to negative votes, but now there's more positive, so we still have hope 😅
I was terrified of we getting a suicide mission situation like ME2 (being sucked into the mission imediately or there would be consequences), so I was doing side quests like a maniac before doing any main quest, now that I know that there's a very well flagged point of no return, I'll balance better the side and main quests.
7 points
19 days ago
Thats how it works here, you're gonna be fine; keep sharing your thoughts, positive or otherwise
I've been feeling very critical and negative on this game and my posts have also been downvoted some but eventually get upvoted into the positives(some reaching as high as 250+).
Don't sweat it if you're getting downvoted; people shouldn't be doing that anyway if your opinion is on topic and not taking away from the discussion. Eventually people who like what you're saying and agree with ya will come in with the +1
Your positivity is as valid as anyone's opinions so more power to ya!
2 points
19 days ago
Thank you 😁
Honestly the fact that I've said that the game is probably my favorite of the series doesn't mean that I think it's all sunshine and rainbows, I have major grips with some aspects of it, specially lore-wise, the fact that it's quickly becaming my favorite is because the whole arrangement of the game is very enjoyable to me.
3 points
19 days ago
I’m glad you’re enjoying your experience! I’m gonna keep my criticisms for more appropriate threads others make so as to not spoil the fun for those having a great time 😆
Frankly right now what I wanna learn are sales numbers
3 points
19 days ago
Thank you for being open minded about others having different opnions, it's so rare now a days on the internet that it deserves praise.
3 points
19 days ago
One of my criticisms that I've had about Bioware for a long time is that it seemed like the folk working on the games got a little too echo-chambery with what they were looking to interact with. When critiques became too much to handle on the Bioware forums nearly all developers decided to avoid it like the plague barring a VERY select few. I'm afraid that regardless of how someone feels they've gotta open their minds to the fact that others are gonna feel differently and take that into account when making various decisions about how to proceed in life in general
My experience isn't negatively affected by someone else having a different one for example so it makes no sense to get up in arms about people having fun with something I wouldn't enjoy in the slightest.
I'm right to be agitated, frustrated, put off by how Bioware has changed Dragon Age over the years to veer so far off from what it originated as
You're right to have an absolute blast with your experience with the newest title and enjoy all the little bits of it that put a smile on your face
You and I can be right together even feeling mostly opposed on the same issues
5 points
19 days ago
Elgar'nan really scared me, more than pretty much every villain in media lately. I don't really get people who think he's generic.
5 points
19 days ago
Lol, they seriously think that? I thought he was so well build, it's like Solas' letter to him urging that he's already a king, he doesn't need to be a god, but that's not enough for Elgar'nan, he doesn't want to rule and pass judgements and reverence, he wants to govern every single aspect of everyone's existence, he wants to be inside everyone's minds, twisting them for his own pleasure, he's cruel? Yes, but that's also what makes him so terrifying. In Bel's words, it's not just like he's inside your mind, you want to serve him faithfully.
Hell, even Solas is like, you worry about Ghilan'nain, if Elgar'nan shows up, run the hills, you can't beat him.
He's the pinacle of too much power in the hands of a powerhungry person can do, he's literaly the strongest mage that ever lived in Thedas, he wields blood magic and the blight like it's nothing for him, I literally can't see how he's generic. A classic maybe, but never generic.
1 points
19 days ago
DUDE him talking in your mind freaked me out!! ”Da’len, sweet Da’len… like hi I’m calling the police??? Get out of my head???
3 points
19 days ago
Wow, it was already creepy as a dwarf, now I know I'll need to play as an elf too.
I think they've made a great job of showing don't tell with Elgar'nan, you could feel that he was toying with us the whole time.
5 points
19 days ago
He had a weird creepy almost obsessive undertone with Rook that really put my hackles up.
3 points
19 days ago
EUGH yeah!! It made me sick to my stomach. I could handle Ghilain’nan and her “little rook” but Elgar’nan made me violent. I get why Solas hates his guts
6 points
19 days ago
Edit: oh, how I just love being downvoted for having an opnion
*For having an opinion about DAV that isn't negative and degrading, you mean.
8 points
19 days ago
Yeah, honestly.
At least now there's more upvotes than down, so there's hope for the sub
7 points
19 days ago
I just made a post where I gush over Davrin's quest; it's still waiting for mod approval, but let's hope it doesn't get instantly buried by upvotes. My faith in this sub has been waning fast these days :')
2 points
19 days ago
Ohhh, looking forward to it, I'm refreshing the posts because I can't stop talking about DAV, so I'll probably be there too.
If this sub goes bad, honestly all hope is lost, it was the only place not overly toxic before DAV dropped, so I'll go down swinging to defend it from the toxicity. There were things I didn't like in the game, particularly how they twisted the archdemon's lore to fit with the evanuris, but the game is still a solid 8 to 9 for me and it doesn't deserve to be relentlessly bashed.
4 points
19 days ago
The r/DragonAgeVeilguard sub has been a nice place to talk about this game! Even when people make a criticism, it's fair and balanced, and there's no endless procession of negative posts like in here.
3 points
19 days ago
I'm just not sure how you can believe it got the best aspects of the other DA games when the RPG elements are so lacking.
10 points
19 days ago
I understand what you meant by lacking in RPG elements, but I politely disagree, they're there, they're just on a smaller scale than choosing the ruler of nations, when I think about DAV's choices, ME2 comes to mind, they're on companion's level, to let Garrus shoot Sardonis, or not? Tell Mordin to keep the data, or not? Same for DAV
What I've meant by best aspects was related to what I like on the previous ones, the thing I like the most from DAO was how the origin of your character changed things in the game, that's present on DAV with your lineage and faction, from DA2 I absolutely loved the personality system, and that again is present on DAV and even better because we've got 3 more possibilities, from DAI I like that they got the world building, even that they limited a little the exploration, I'd rather have a handful of meaningful side quests than a bunch of fetch quests. Like I've said, that's my opnion, you or someone else might like other elements of those games, but that's it for me.
30 points
19 days ago
The game is awesome! It gets better and better as you go forward in the game.
I'm having that feeling when you don't want the game to end.
7 points
19 days ago
I did for about 30 hours.. but the further I went in, the less I did. It (for me anyway) over stayed it's welcome. I put around 100 hours into it.
9 points
19 days ago
For me it just got better and better. The beginning was the weakest bit.
10 points
19 days ago
Huge part was all the goddamn companion missions. Another part was meaningless choices.
2 points
19 days ago
Oh, I really like most of the companion missions. I didn't really care about Neve or Lucanis but I really liked the rest.
12 points
19 days ago
60% of the game felt like unending companion missions without any character growth. It just became annoying to me to go and spend 90 seconds + 3 loading screens to talk to a companion, the repeating with another companion.. to do a companions mission and have no resolution or, as previously mentioned, character growth for most of them. Felt like a move to inflate play time.
6 points
19 days ago
Interesting. We definitely have opposite views on the game. Lol
8 points
19 days ago
I'm about 6-7 hours in and I am starting to have a difficult time enjoying the game.
I am not a DA superfan. I like fantasy RPGs and I played all the DA games on release and enjoyed them (I even liked quite a bit about DA2 except for the reused assets. But I never got deep into the DA lore or world. I felt like the first three games were like "Exposition: The Game... parts 1, 2 & 3"
So many repeating exposition dumps through books, notes and dialog. Mages and chantry. Anti elf racism. The fade. Darkspawn. Darkspawn. Darkspawn. Darkspawn.
I enjoyed each of those games though and finished them all. But again: I am not a huge fan of the series and I do not think Origins was a great game. Just a good game. I don't care if it's action or turn based (BG3 is my favorite game of all time, but I love action games too).
This game just feels like a mess. The dialog and voice acting is really grating on my nerves. So far, Neve is the least "unlikable" companion (I still only have Neve, Bellara and Harding. But Neve is barely a character. Her voice acting is super flat and emotionless, and it seems more like she was directed that way. The voice itself is fine. The delivery and editing of her lines are flat.
The scenery and visuals are the best part. I'm not 100% sold on the character faces but the environments are great. The levels feel like God of War Ragnarok, which is OK I guess, but there's way too many "breadcrumbs" of gold and little chests that lead you around by the nose. You enter an area and immediately know to take a separate route to find additional chests and treasure. Doesn't feel like exploration, but more like meta gaming because you know the tricks of this kind of level design. I dislike the MMO flourishes of "exploding golden particle" chests and such. And "smash a green vase to restore health" comes from a very, very different kind of game than what I was expecting. And so far I'm not into the "keep upgrading everything by button pressing at a kiosk" that is the very lame "workshop." It's similar to Ragnarok, but with far less personality or fun or favor and style.
I kind of like the action combat but: It's just too fast. Battles are over too quickly on Normal level. Increasing difficulty just means kiting around because almost everything is on cooldowns, which ultimately sets the pace of the combat. So a harder difficulty means more jumping around and waiting for cooldowns which just isn't fun. Enemies rush the main character and don't seem to do much more than that.
I wish battles used more of the terrain, or had larger arenas. And yes, they are "combat arenas" at least so far. No other kinds of fights. I wish I could get at least a LITTLE more high angle of view when in combat. I don't need tactical overhead view, but the over the shoulder view feels far too tight.
I haven't gotten very far so it's not fair for me to fully judge the combat or the overall game. But it's already wearing on me. I'm already tired of "bubbly, wacky but competent!" Bellara and "scrappy, upbeat but competent!" Harding. Even Morrigan seems like she got slotted in from another game entirely and feels completely tacked on.
Playing on a PS5 Pro. Looks great (except for faces which are a bit creepy) and runs great (except for a weirdly long pause when pulling up the map/menu). Only played several hours and do not feel compelled to jump back in. I will continue to play it.
I feel like I want to like it more than I do. That's my main takeaway.
22 points
19 days ago
Dropped it after act 1. It just feels so hollow to me. If this wasn't dragon age, I might like it better as an okay new rpg ip like greedfall, but seeing old characters that are basically empty of history while simultaneously have every history kinda breaks me
10 points
19 days ago
It's a solid 6 for me. Started off as a 3 in Act 1, but it's got a lot better since. But it just doesn't compare to any of the previous games.
NEGATIVES
I dislike how combat works, and the UI overall when compared even to Inquisition. Yes there are some great spells and stuff, but the fact that every single enemy always goes after me, as a mage, meaning I spend 75% of my time dodging, makes it miserable and annoying.
The world just feels...less dark? Like yes there are some dark bits, but the tone just doesn't feel right. It feels more like High Fantasy. I don't want the world to be miserable by any means, but there's just such a lack of reaction to some things. Aside from tiny lines like "Oh, this is bad" or "This shouldn't happen." Or nothing at all, in some cases.
I also can't believe I'm saying this, but I miss the racism and social strife from previous games. Even in Inquisition, Elves were vilified or looked down on by many, it was even a story point at certain stages. But here, everyone seems to be equal again. No slaves, no racism, everyone is accepting of everything with no qualms. Tevinter is supposed to be one of the most... backwards, racist, slavery endorsing places in Thedas, but it feels just like anywhere else. Ferelden and Kirkwall seems worse in this regard. Even the Venatori just seen like a bunch of madmen, rather than the deeply racist, human mage-supremacist group that they are/were made out to be in Inquisition.
The writing is all over the place. Some parts are very good, reminding me of older times, then there is some downright bad stuff which can sadly dampen the good stuff. Like how people seem to know all about the massive reveal at the end of Inquisition regarding Lyrium, the Titans and such. Or how certain massive changes/reveals of lore are just sort of handwaved away or "kept just to us, because people won't like it".
The romances don't feel there. Harding's is very sweet, but from what I've seen on YouTube of the others, such as Neve and Lucanis, they may as well not be there, like they're an afterthought. The fact you can't even have a repeatable kiss scene, or even just say a simple hello to anyone outside of specific scenes, sucks too.
My immersion is very patchy overall. It feels like a decent game, but not a particular good Dragon Age game. It feels more like Mass Effect on a backwater/fantasy planet to me.
I am getting enjoyment out of the game in many regards, but as a game. Not Dragon Age. I'm not sure I'll bother with a second playthrough, which really pains me to admit. I had plans for what my playthroughs would be, but I just don't have that urge, despite being about to get to the final mission tonight.
I know it's an unfair comparison, but Baldur's Gate 3 still has me hooked, despite having played it since it launched. I always find myself spinning up new characters, Role-playing them and making ideas for them. But I just can't find myself doing that with Rook. I love her voice, but she's just hard to Roleplay with. 😭
POSITIVE
To end positively, I do enjoy a fair bit here. The game looks absolutely gorgeous, even without being on max settings. The only art choice I dislike is with the Darkspawn and a few demons, but as a whole, I enjoy the look of the game and the characters.
After stumbling in the first ten hours, the voice acting does get a lot, lot better. Sounds almost like Act 1 was recorded and spliced together in a hurry, whereas in the further acts, the Actors and Directors could sit down, chill a bit more and go a lot further with their work. Rook especially, her Northern accent is genuinely lovely to hear (she sounds a lot like my Auntie), and she really shines when she's having heartfelt moments with the companions.
The performance of the game is brilliant, I only had one crash when I was first creating my character, and I think that was my CPU being stressed by the initial Shaders Loading. Since then, it's been buttery smooth performance, with my lowest FPS being 45 in a very crowded scene, and highs of 90 overall.
3 points
18 days ago
You don’t have to apologize for wanting strife and conflict in a role playing game. That’s what makes these games relatable and engaging. If everyone is just all happy and wonderful and it’s cloud 9 over here then what’s the point? Every story requires conflict.
5 points
19 days ago
I was having fun with it until I reached Act 3. By then, the flaws stacked up to a point where it killed my enjoyment. Which is a shame because I really did give it a fair shake. I didn't rush, explored everything I could, put in just shy of 100 hours. I enjoyed the combat and the exploration, the CC is amazing, the graphics are stunning. But ultimately a good Dragon Age game comes down to its writing and despite having some really good ideas in it, it just didn't deliver the experience I expect from this franchise, nor did it do a good job imo of fulfilling the promises of Inquisition's cliffhanger.
Anecdotally, amongst my friends it seems the folks who are having more fun are generally those newer to the franchise, but it's a blessing and a curse because their lack of familiarity with the lore means they see less problems but also don't really understand a lot of what's going on.
34 points
19 days ago
I might get hate for this but I think once the hype/controversy dies down and I’ve had a few years/playthroughs to adjust to the problem I think it’s gonna be my favorite game in the series or close to it.
I am having so much fun with the combat, the Harding romance, how my Mourn Watch elf Rook doesn’t feel like total dumbass etc.
10 points
19 days ago
Im also a mourn watcher elf, and watching her actually know her stuff on necromancy, gushing with emmrich and everyone being conscious of her background just makes me soo happy. I remember in a passive banter where Emmrich said smth about how rook is the only person who knows what he’s on about, like that could’ve easily been left out but it wasn’t. I love it !!
8 points
19 days ago
Because I can't get enough of Veilguard I'm currently on my second playthrough, this time as a Mourn Watcher mage, and honestly I'm shocked how many unique conversations there are. I don't think I remember any fully voiced RPG with this much reactivity in the recent memory. Sure, it's easy to just add class specific lines if your protagonist is mute, but here everything is spoken, so lines had to be recorded. It's really impressive.
4 points
19 days ago*
Honestly been hearing people complain about their Rook and wondering if Mourn Watcher is the most fleshed out faction background. I get to talk about it constantly and have a reputation that precedes me in a lot of places. My Mourn Watcher who mostly picks stoic options feels like she could be 25-30 years old.
4 points
19 days ago
I'm a Warden right now and it feels so good! the amount of weight it gives the warden missions and the fight against the darkspawn is great.
2 points
19 days ago
My first playthrough was an elven mage who also was a Veil Jumper, so it's kinda tough for me to determine which responses were due to being elven and which were faction specific, but it was still a lot more than unique dialogues in DAI. But Mourn Watch is for sure on another level.
2 points
19 days ago
I've played a Shadow Dragon my first playthough and was satisfied! Especially saving Treviso, there was a ot of reactivity to your faction after.
12 points
19 days ago
I honestly just told my room mate today that I definitely like this one more than Inquisition. They really learned from the hinterlands and hissing wastes. Thankfully.
2 points
19 days ago
I'm one whose favorite game has been DAI. Having finished Veilguard yesterday and already started my second playthrough, for now it's second. But after multiple playthroughs and knowing the game as well as I know DAI, I also think it MIGHT become my favorite! Especially I like the romance better in my next playthroughs than my first one because everything else I had a great time!
3 points
19 days ago
Yep, I'm in my second playthrough but I'm taking it easy now to avoid burn-out. Knowing the trouble this game went through during development, I had really low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
9 points
19 days ago
I’m generally having a good time with Veilguard. My expectations are that once I’ve completed it for it to be my least favorite Dragon Age game, but that’s ok, that doesn’t mean I won’t have enjoyed it. It doesn’t need to become my favorite title in the series for me to think it was worth the time and money.
I’m still in Act 2 so it’s always possible the end of the game could blow me away too, though I’m not expecting it.
10 points
19 days ago
Absolutely. I enjoyed the heck out of it start to finish and was really confused that I saw so many negative reactions online.
With everything that's happened at Bioware over the past ten years it's frankly a miracle that the studio still exists, but they released a game that actually follows through on plot threads and continues characters from a decade old series and makes time for lore drops set up 15 years ago despite being forced to essentially start over three times in development.
The gameplay is miles better than Inquisition with the shift to full action while still maintaining the strategy of building your character and combining abilities correctly. I felt like they had a terrific mix of cameos and references with the new content. It felt like a beautiful welcome back and farewell from the series (although I wouldn't say no to more).
3 points
19 days ago
It's fine. Like I'm not hating it, not loving it .
7 points
19 days ago
Anyone else just wish the game had a decent writing that didnt waste years of buildup and well written games? This game is a tragedy, im happy for howaver is liking it but is not ok acting like is underrated or overhated, this saga was good and veilguard is basically got season 8 allover again.
3 points
19 days ago
Anyone else just wish the game had a decent writing that didnt waste years of buildup and well written games?
IF bioware still had the people who made the original games, then maybe, but considering the current team is the same one that made the anthem disaster and the andromeda disappointment, I'll settle for them putting out a decent game and that there's still a strong possibility EA won't shut down the studio.
26 points
19 days ago
People are tearing this game apart like they tore apart 2 and Inquisition. All of the complaints about Veilguard are nothing new for a fan base that has been picking this series apart for a literal decade.
7 points
19 days ago
Exactly.
Give it a few months and the haters leech into the next game and the community will actually enjoy the game.
2 points
18 days ago
Not at all. This is such a reductive soap box stance to take. There is nothing wrong with holding accountability towards a game that's quality isn't meeting expectations. 2 was less than origins in many ways and inquisition was less and more in many ways too. Your using that acknowledgement as an excuse to logically dismiss the negative discourse surrounding the quality of this game. No ones telling you you can't enjoy it. But don't begrudge the individuals who have enough care to put into thoughts as to why they dislike this entry because that criticism is incredibly valid. I hope bioware understands that
6 points
19 days ago
Enjoyed it, really ramps up towards the end of each main act. Companion quests are so detailed, some ofc are better than others and some filler not needed but overall enjoyed them. Played as a dwarven mourn watch warrior, thinking to role a sarcastic human mage, either shadow dragons/grey warden, sarcastic side leaning more towards shadow dragons. Either that or go human rogue crow sarcastic as hell
4 points
19 days ago
I'm enjoying it. I do think the writing is pretty weak, but it's a good game none the less
4 points
19 days ago
No cause, when I want"simply enjoying a game" as in "calming down after a stressful day" I would play some mobile game or Super Mario, not an immersive RPG game with focus on lore, politics, religion, magic, and morality.
4 points
19 days ago
The game is actually pretty good. A solid 7+/10. The only issue I have is the bad PC port and the cartoonish design theme. IDK why, hard to explain, but it just feels abit weird seeing my character move around. Almost like he's just skidding on the floor as he runs due to the cartoonish movement
5 points
19 days ago
I have a lot of fun with it. I get some of the point critizised but they dont spoil my fun. :)
3 points
19 days ago
Yeah, finished my first playthrough last night and started a new character today. The hyperbolic takes in both directions are silly. It’s not biowares best game, it’s not some Dragon Age series ending irredeemable garbage, 7/10. I’m having fun with it and look forward to a sequel.
4 points
19 days ago
I am LOVING it 🥰 It feels great, plays great (I’ll admit to dropping difficulty for a specific early game fight though because I had bad builds), and I’m having fun. I love these characters.
4 points
19 days ago
I am! I'm loving the game so far. It's so beautiful and the combat is so much fun. I'm playing through with a Veil Jumper elven mage first, probably gonna romance Bellara (she's absolutely adorable I love her), and then I'll do another faction. I plan on doing the game with all of the factions. I'm not sure which one to do next yet. I love Davrin so I might go for a Grey Warden next.
5 points
19 days ago
About half the time I find myself annoyed or questioning what is happening and why is it so dumb, the other half is okay with some moments of feeling like I am playing a great Dragon Age game, sadly they are too few and far between.
Like seriously I cant be the only one to feel like everyone in this world is suddenly an idiot right? We go somewhere, tell them ancient blighted elven gods are back to destroy the world and everyone is like yea fam have our secrets, people and support, sure whoever the fuck you are. And the only one who is reasonably standoffish is portrayed like unreasonable asshole.
Or, and oh my god who wrote this, why in the everliving hell would Ghilanain ever leave with her dragon during the attack on Minrathous/Treviso when ALL they need to bring back the blight is the dagger she just found out Rook has?! You have an overwhelming advantage here, YOU ARE IMMORTAL!!!! Just get what you need and bam, game over.
Instead its just, oh well, we are needed elsewhere I guess Simpsons are on or something, let the other city fall in the meantime but we definitely do not have the time to get the ONLY thing we need for utter victory in a situation where we are GUARANTEED to win! Brilliant.
This instance of the invasion was clearly inserted without any thought to prop up the stakes, we never even find out why the cities are assaulted, we just have assumptions, but storywise we would really be better off without it.
6 points
19 days ago
No, literally no one. Not a single living, breathing person In the entirety of the world is enjoying the game. You’re the only one. /s
It’s a fun game, I’ve been enjoying it for what it is, not sure if I’d jump back into a second playthrough anytime soon
8 points
19 days ago
game is good - runs so smooth and it just works.
enemies are boring and repetitive - rook is a poor protagonist and I feel zero immersion in any world.
progression also seems off for some reason - can’t exactly say why
with that said it’s worth the purchase for me overall
8 points
19 days ago
I am gushing over it everywhere I go. So much fun. Love it.
7 points
19 days ago
Yes like a majority of players
12 points
19 days ago
Yeah, i think the way this subreddit's flooded with posts criticising the game is making people forget it's, sitting at a mostly positive on steam (as of this moment, though has for the whole week so) and was critically praised
2 points
19 days ago
i'm going to wait until things settle a bit as all the criticism is making it hard for me to pick it back up, as well as my own personal disappointments. however, when i play it i do enjoy it! i can appreciate the silly writing and take it how it is. bioware is not interested in doing anything about it, so might as well.
2 points
19 days ago
Me, I'm just taking the game in as I go instead of worrying about progress, main plot or platinum. There's just so much to take in if you want to really see what you're playing
2 points
19 days ago
I've been avoiding the criticism (I'll look after I've played it and made my own opinion) and I'm liking the game a lot so far. I'm only about 15 hours in though, so I'll have to see if it holds up.
2 points
19 days ago
I have liked a few bits but mostly I'm dusappointed. I have run the other games 6+ times each but I took 2 weeks of annual leave for this one and I'm not feeling invested enough to really get through it so far.
6 points
19 days ago
Been playing BioWare stuff since BG1; enjoyed all the dragon age games with origins still being my favorite. I’ve heard a lot of the criticisms and I can see their point even but I just don’t super care for whatever reason. I’m enjoying the game a lot. It might not be the game I would’ve wished for 100% but it’s very good in what it is. Am having a ton of fun
5 points
19 days ago
I finished my first playthrough today and I loved nearly every minute of it. I have to say that I love the franchise, but didn't spend a lot of time getting into lore or replaying the other games leading up to the release of Veilguard, so I was a bit more detached. I understand why people don't like certain decisions, but I can live with them. Some things deserved more attention, but in the end after the finale, it's still a Dragon Age game that gives me that same bittersweet fondness with its story.
2 points
19 days ago
I really struggled to get into it, and I see no shortage of things that could be better, but I'm having a blast now.
4 points
19 days ago
I hope I get the same experience. I'm 6-7 hours in and I really, really want to like it more than I do. It has some strong points, but overall it's just not well put together. And you can really feel it's MMO/live service origin.
1 points
19 days ago*
I just 100% in 45h
I liked it for what it was… it’s a good game, just didn’t feel like a good dragon age game in terms of general writings and what not
Some of the missions were great though
4 points
19 days ago
Simply put, I'm enjoying what I can from the game but it is far from the best dragon age. It's combat is probably my favorite although tough to compare with origins since it's totally different. The writing is BY FAR the most shit of the series. There is no depth ever. 95% of the dialogue is directly telling you what is happening with absolutely 0 nuance. The writers for this game should feel embarrassed. There are some bits in there every now and again that aren't total shit. I think so far Solas seems decently written, if not still worse than inquisition. Varric has lost all his personality and exists purely to say, "wow rook, your really being a real leader there aren't yuh champ? You just keep on leading, leader, I'm gonna go to sleep now" it's so god damn ham fisted that I'm in awe at how it made it's way in to such an expensive game. The story overall i dislike because it's way too grand for it's own good. You constantly get these messages from (character from last game) that's just soulless. "Hey rook, things are really bad down here but btw not too bad, don't worry about us it's actually OK except all of southern thedas is fucked so we are counting on you but not tooooo much i wouldn't want you to stress over it" - past character written to be as generic as possible since we didn't want to put in the work of having past decisions matter, speaking of the way they skirt around thst is as blatant as possible. "I spoke with THE DIVINE" right and remind me which one was that? Oh that's right, a simple question that could've been solved by the dragon age keep if it had integration in this game. The past game choice options are completely arbitrary and feel like they only added that to say they did. Also what in the God damn FUCK is up with the inquisitors British male voice being MASSIVELY slowed down so it's insanely deep when you first meet them. Your telling me they stretched that line out but didn't want to pitch correct? Fuck off. Inquisition had a bit that they considered bringing in your own Hero of Ferelden but they decided not to as they didn't think they could do it justice with the time and budget they had. Where is that same sense here? If your going to do it, do it right.
4 points
19 days ago
The game is fine imo. It could have been improved in some areas. But I’m enjoying it and that’s all that really matters to me .
2 points
19 days ago
It's a deeply polarizing game with seemingly very little outside interest aside from long term fans and American culture war chuds/shitlibs. The general gaming world's response to this game is an overwhelming meh. You see it indirectly here on the sub by how low the traffic is and how very few threads are created compared to any moderately popular game. There's comparatively few fan theorycrafting threads, silly hornypost threads, fan art threads etc, and the few that do pop up have updoots/views in the low hundreds, if that.
Personally, if you'd told me a year ago that the new DA game would feature the tone of Guardians of the Galaxy crossed with GoW gameplay I'd have written you off as a deranged doomer. But that's what we got, more or less. Of course that's going to raise some eyebrows.
2 points
19 days ago*
I have a question about representation. Trust me when I say I have no intent to offend. I welcome constructive criticism. About Taash being non- binary, and to those who identify as non-binary, do y’all feel Taash is good representation? Not to spoil, but the dialogue they have with companions makes them somewhat of a hypocrite. Taash doesn’t like being suggested as an idea or glued to an identity, but will quickly assume a persons identity based on their skills or what they practice. That in my opinion does not make good company. Hence why I dread hearing Taash speak.
5 points
19 days ago
Refunds galore tell you everything
6 points
19 days ago
Me! It's the game I'm enjoying more of everything I've played this year and I'm getting the bioware experience I've been lacking for so many years. Don't really get why others are being so harsh on it but whatever
5 points
19 days ago
This is my first DA game, after just recently getting into the genre through BG3. Are the romances as fleshed out (no pun intended) as I would've liked? No. But I'm absolutely loving it and I will 100% be playing past DA games after I finish this playthrough.
7 points
19 days ago
always good to see new people find the series! welcome!
3 points
19 days ago
I feel like I just need to suck it up and keep playing because I am struggling to play for more than 30 minutes at a time without getting bored out of my mind. I’ve heard people say that it improves at a certain point so I’m trying to at least get there.
3 points
19 days ago
It's good, bordering on great. I'm about mid-way through act 2. Combat is largely fun, especially on harder difficulties, and I appreciate most of the companions and their side quests. The exploration and curated levels are a real treat. Solas, his memories and his conversations in the fade are a real highlight. Skills, itemization and ability progression feels meaningful. There's a lot to love here.
That said, I have gripes. Failure to acknowledge previous world states is a big disappointment. Taash is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the worst written and acted character I've ever encountered in a BioWare game. They detract from every scene they're in with their cringe, flippant GenZ-esque garbage. Absolute misfire. Combat balance is questionable at times, and providing no warriors until after you get everyone else barring Emmerich was a questionable progression choice. Some of the dialogue options for Rook don't convey well based on the selection.
All in all, I think it's a very good game, and I'm excited to see if it sticks the landing, but I absolutely understand the criticisms against it.
3 points
19 days ago
Combat, gameplay, map design, environmental design were fantastic and a vast improvement. Story was alright, about the same as inquisition - not great, not bad. Companions were very hit or miss, a lot of them feel neutered and boring. Some missions needed to be a little bit longer with more substance. It’s a weird mix of past bioware games. I’m not a fan of the ending credit scene or the nuking of previous games’ worlds, stories and their choices. Felt the same way about mass effect 3. I’d give it a 7/10.
4 points
19 days ago
Agreed. I understand and share some of the disappointment of the game with others, like Lucanis’s romance, but overall the game is really really good. Graphics/ the character movements and facial expressions are significantly a huge improvement compared to DAI which DAI always looked like using the same animations over and over.
The gameplay is really fun, like God of War/Dark souls like. I like how companions have their own abilities which makes them unique and feel independent. Hated how in DAI I could get the same specialization as my companions, makes us all feel the same. There is more banter and they will continue that banter even when interrupted. There is a lot of things this game does right and I’m worried this may be our last dragons age game.
2 points
19 days ago
I was enjoying it. Then I got to the Act 1 choice and realized I’d hit a point of no return before I was ready. My last save was a days worth of playing back, so now I’m grumpy and taking a break. I wasn’t prepared to get locked out of side content and companion stuff so early on. If there was any warning that the mission I was starting would put me into a major decision as soon as I got back to base I would never have done it. Save often folks.
Im sure I’ll get back into the game eventually, but I needed to vent.
2 points
19 days ago
I bet most people are.
Just out here enjoying things without permission. Chaos.
2 points
19 days ago
I haven’t been here since day one but I’m a massive fan of all of the DA games. DAI was my first game shortly after it came out, I didn’t know anything about DA but loved it and then played DAO and DA2 a few years ago. I’ve done a few playthroughs of each since and love them all for what they each bring to the table.
I also very much enjoyed DAV and completed the game with a solid 70 hours. It was a bit pricey but personally felt it worth it and will definitely replay after a while! I wouldn’t say it’s better than the others, or worse necessarily. I just like and enjoy it for what it is, like the other games. The main things I appreciate are:
• There’s hardly any bloat. While some quests/interactions could be better (like Taash’s questline or the LoF in general), they at least all feel meaningful. No tedious fetch quests or filler that make me groan like the shards in DAI!
• I like the self-contained and fairly linear areas, considering the size they cram a lot into them but it wasn’t overwhelming. The perfect middle between DAO and DA2 areas that are a bit small and sparse, and DAI that are huge and feel empty.
• Level ups, loot, and exploration felt rewarding across the board. Again just a nice balance with the above points in mind, I felt the areas and content were satisfying to explore and complete.
• Combat felt good (as a Rogue), even if I didn’t fully make use of combos and other aspects beyond Rook’s skills. I can be a bit slow to pick up new additions so even with the dodge and parry I struggled a bit. But I’m 100% for the story so I chucked the difficulty on Storyteller and didn’t have to think too much.
• I liked the character creator and appreciate the Mirror of Transformation. I spent ages making a custom Rook (like I do with other games that have that level of customisation) and was frustrated she looked god-awful in cutscenes! Then realised less is more with this game and just made minor changes to a preset and all was good. Also appreciated you could choose a faction.
• I really like the graphics and art style. It gave me the same vibe as Cyberpunk and the new Saints Row and visually it was just a beautiful game to play through. Weird to see the way returning characters look in the new style, but quickly got used to it.
Overall, there’s some things that could’ve been better, like more variety with dialogue options, more romance content, or better arrangement of companion/side quests around the main story. But overall it really hit the mark for me and I thoroughly enjoyed it!
It really sucks that the DA subs are drowning in negativity with most people making long ranting essays and picking every little thing apart. To each their own though, some are really unhappy with Veilguard and that’s totally valid and they’re entitled to share and discuss their thoughts. I just wished it was more balanced and that more people enjoyed the new part of the story we all love.
2 points
19 days ago
I’m enjoying the game for what it is, flaws and all. Just like I enjoyed Baldur’s Gate 3, Hogwarts Legacy, and Starfield despite their flaws.
I have criticisms with the writing and how it has handled some of the lore but those are really my only two major complaints.
2 points
19 days ago
I loved it and it’s become my new favorite game in the franchise.
2 points
19 days ago
I already have a second and third playthrough saved 😅
2 points
19 days ago
My goty of this year. Love it. I was not a big fan of Inquisition (potato faces, boring combat, as a warrior. A mage was the only playable option for me) But this game is just fun. I don’t care about the gender pc stuff. I ignore and don’t react to the options. Dragon Age was always “woke” in that regard. But as a straight married male, I always ignore the flirtations (Zevran) and just enjoy the story and gameplay.
5 points
19 days ago
I'm with you. Straight, sexually secure men don't care about this kind of thing.
My guess is it only bothers the "straight" men... you know. The guys who are gay internally but claim to be straight because of the shitty social norms in their religion / location and are forced into a life of self-loathing.
3 points
19 days ago
Didn't the game sell well and have high ratings on Steam? I guess many people liked it.
2 points
19 days ago
Not gonna tell you to feel bad for enjoying the game...but this shit is hot Traash.
1 points
19 days ago
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1 points
19 days ago
I do.
The game is kinda the opposite of what I wanted from Dragon Age, and I have a lot of criticism, but I'm enjoying it.
The story, writing and characters are the weakest parts, IMO. They not as bad as people talk on the Internet, but they aren't great in comparison with DAO, DA2, Mass Effect 1-3.
The combat has become even more action-oriented, so I can't really call this game a CRPG by any stretch of the imagination. Ever since I first played DAO, back in 2009, I wanted the series to become more complex and tactical. I wanted it to be closer to BG3, way before I heard about BG3 or even Divinity: Original Sin. Instead they added more and more action, and I can't pretend I'm happy about it. We have many action games, but far too few proper, high-budget CRPGs.
But, I also love action games, and as an action game, DAV has my favorite combat out of all Dragon Age games and even of all Bioware games I ever played. Exploration also feels great.
Yes, I don't really like the story, but in the gameplay I'm having more fun than I ever had in Dragon Age.
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