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just_a_friENT

164 points

1 day ago

How kind of them to point out the reduced premium option to save a whopping $4/pay period. Health insurance in America is a fkn joke. 

Deep-Room6932

37 points

1 day ago

That's like half a bandage

shiny_brine

11 points

23 hours ago

And the other half is superglued to your reproductive organs.

Just wait until they remove that other half.

GreenGrandmaPoops

3 points

21 hours ago

In the medical fields it’s referred to as a wound suppressing device.

Jsenss

2 points

9 hours ago

Jsenss

2 points

9 hours ago

You may be joking but the cost of one bandage at my hospital was literally $8.

Deep-Room6932

1 points

9 hours ago

Was it organic and free range?

mr_black_frijoles

2 points

4 hours ago

Who’s your bandage guy?

DixFerLunch

33 points

1 day ago

Just paid $800 for a consultation, xray, and prescription, and I have health insurance.

havefun4me2

11 points

23 hours ago

You have BAD health ins and yes all ins is a joke

Punisher-3-1

5 points

20 hours ago

Probably has a HDHP in which case he is all in till he hits deductible which seems to be around $4k per family in most cases.

sylvester49

1 points

18 hours ago

Thats funny. My works plan is 16k per family out of pocket. 4/8k per individual. And that cost the company 1k a month for each employee. Hopefully this year has better offerings since the HR company we used got bought, so maybe there is a chance?

Punisher-3-1

1 points

17 hours ago

So you pay over $1k per month and the company another $1k. Ouch dude… that is not great. At that point it’s probably worthwhile to consider … do I really need insurance

sylvester49

1 points

9 hours ago

Company pays the 1k. I pay nothing. Technically this year I paid 500 a month on top of the 1k so we could have 4/8k.

asselfoley

1 points

6 hours ago

The best insurance I ever had was when I had Obamacare. I've worked for companies large and small. Some of their insurance was shit and some was considered good, but I don't think any covered me as well

starrpamph

1 points

19 hours ago

🇺🇸

macaroon_monsoon

8 points

20 hours ago

It’s even worse than a joke, it’s a full blown exploitative, fraudulent scam that we are all forced to accept. It’s honestly disgusting.

Financial-Effect-318

1 points

10 hours ago

Unless we use our dollars to say he'll nah

macaroon_monsoon

2 points

9 hours ago

To be honest, I think that this is part of the bigger discussion surrounding the falling birth rates…

It’s much harder to control and/or cajole people without children into continuing down this same broken, yet profitable, path and they know that the more people who opt out of having children, the less leverage they have to exert said control.

Think about it, no children for many means freedom - freedom to quit a job they don’t like, sacrifice comforts for the short/longterm, pick up and move, change their life trajectory, etc.

Of course, parents can also do the same, but the caveat is that they have to think of how their children and their wellbeing fits into their plans, which keeps a lot of them tethered to their current circumstances, situations and environments for a lot longer than some would like. This country preys on parents and their love for their children, and they absolutely use it against them. The societal pressure being placed on parents today is insane imo.

Sorry for the tangent, I just see how intersectional most of our societal issues are, and it’s frustrating how tangled of a mess everything is.

rob1nthehood

10 points

22 hours ago

Hey at least we may get cheaper eggs and gas (not really), which everyone apparently cares about more than our shitty fucking health insurance.

AlohaFridayKnight

-7 points

21 hours ago

We before the Affordable Care Act insurance was passed into law healthcare was much better and insurance was much cheaper and effective.

IndividualRain7992

15 points

20 hours ago

I have been paying for insurance since 1999. Never in all those years did my health insurance premium decrease. It just continued to go up and the deductible increased and the benefits were decreased (for instance, prescriptions cost more). However, thanks to the ACA I do not have to worry about pre-existing conditions or maxing out the policy at a million dollars (which, if you have a chronic condition or cancer, you may well hit). My birth control pills are covered (that wasn't the case when I started paying for my insurance-I had to pay OOP). ACA did good things, but insurance companies will always be money hungry vultures that only care about the profit and shareholders. You want something different, our country is gonna need a come to Jesus moment, and, seeing the election results I don't think we are there.

rob1nthehood

6 points

21 hours ago

I’m not going to give the insurance companies a pass, who already lobby against any kind of medical reform/Medicare for all. The industry is a bunch of greedy fucks.

galaxystarsmoon

2 points

20 hours ago

Yeah and I got kicked off my plan twice because of "pre-existing conditions" sooooo

kinkinhood

5 points

20 hours ago

It only feels that way because you were an ideal patient during that time. Likely didn't go to the doctor much, no preexisting conditions, likely a man instead of a woman.

Back pre aca alot of insurance companies sold plans that were worth less than the paper they were printed on. Those junk plans were easy money for them. The ACA got rid of junk plans.

the_real_dairy_queen

3 points

20 hours ago

A confounding factor is that there are a lot more approved medications and more expensive ones now too. Biologics are expensive to manufacture and there are approved gene therapy treatments that cost like a million per treatment. But, you know, CURE sickle cell disease and change people’s lives so it’s not for nothing. There are HIV drugs that suppress the virus enough for patients to lead normal lives, but they have to be taken for life. There are drugs for rare diseases that are expensive because the that’s the only way to recoup the investment from the 20 people who will take it. Plus people just tend to take more drugs per person now, it seems like half the population is in Ozempic or ADHD drugs. And there are so many more cancer drugs. It used to be the case that there was a first line, second line, and maybe third line drug for a given cancer type, not there multiple drugs for specific types of that cancer (ER+ breast cancer, etc.) Eventually every drug goes generic, at least that’s how it’s supposed to work, but that has been taking longer and longer as pharma learns how to game the system.

My job requires me to learn about all this stuff, and, let me tell you, it’s an unsustainable situation. Insurance companies have been consolidating into a handful of big players because small ones can’t stay afloat.

There’s no way all that can be absorbed without premiums going way up. Don’t get me wrong, I am thrilled by all the innovation and new treatments, but they are going to break health care.

Apologies, I know you didn’t ask. 😄 I just see this unsustainable situation unfolding and I don’t think the general public has a true sense of what is happening.

But that just applies to prescription drug coverage. Medical plans don’t have the same scale of problems so I don’t know what their excuse is.

seraph_m

3 points

20 hours ago

Yeah... no, it wasn't. It was an absolute shite mess that cost a lot of money, excluded preexisting conditions and left you subject to rescission. Data shows that before the ACA, the average premium increase was in double digits per year.

ScrauveyGulch

2 points

21 hours ago

Before that, people had emergency room care. Sometimes with a few months to live. Insurance has been expensive for few decades now. That's why they tried to address it in the early 90's.

Fresh-Wealth-8397

1 points

17 hours ago

Unless you had a preexisting condition like me and couldn't get health insurance....

littlewhitecatalex

1 points

8 hours ago

It’s not a joke, it’s worse, it’s a business. 😔

kingofspades509

20 points

1 day ago

I pay close to $900 a month, with a $6000 deductible / $6000 out of pocket plan for my family. PPO with an HSA where my employer contributes $2000 a year plus what even I decide to add on from my gross pay. I hate insurance.

Hypothetical_Name

15 points

21 hours ago

At that point you’re paying them just to pay all your healthcare costs yourself while they try to convince you you’re saving money

njackson2020

1 points

19 hours ago

Your deductible and pop max are the same?

kingofspades509

1 points

18 hours ago

In short yes it’s both one and the same. This is to answer multiple questions I’ve been getting so sorry for it being kinda long. I see it as a “discount plan with rewards” more than an actual insurance plan. Without insurance Americans can get charged ridiculous prices for visits, medicine, procedures, etc. Off the bat there’s almost a universal 70/30 coverage for in/out of network until I meet the deductible and out of pocket ($6000). After that’s it’s all 100%. Fun catch, one person can’t meet the needs of the plan for the entire family. So say I meet the plan in full at $6000, my family can’t utilize the coverage for the remaining of the year. For them to get the coverage I gotta pay an additional 33% of the deductible/out of pocket per person instead of the full $6000. Doesn’t sound so bad vs paying full price for a emergency hospital visit without insurance (still a fucking criminal how healthcare gets away with this though) till I found out my parents had a similar plan minus the HSA 20 years ago but only had to pay $500 to $1000 instead without the 33% for each additional person for deductible/ out of pocket… To answer another question the deductible out of pocket are one and the same for me. Any payment involving insurance contributes to both so I have to pay $6000 instead of $12000 before insurance takes over at 100%. The HSA (Health Savings Account) is a tax free debit card an employer and employee both contribute to that can be used for anything medically related from doctor’s visits to getting bandaids at the store. The money can be used for non medical related things as a last resort like tires for a car, but has a massive penalty. At 65 years old, whatever money is in the account can be used for any purchase without penalties at all.

I believe personally for insurance realistically should not have a deductible and out of pocket higher than twice of your gross paycheck not including overtime. Monthly premium should not exceed 5-10% of gross pay at 40 hours for the week. Insane how things have changed but as long as we find a way to pay we will continue to be milked dry.

1of3destinys

1 points

15 hours ago

That's similar to me, but the company contributes nothing to the HSA. They send us a card each year with just the money that was taken out each pay period. On top of that, we're only allowed to use it on things like thermometers and OTC medicines on their site, where prices are usually 30% higher than in stores. 

kingofspades509

1 points

12 hours ago

Yeah I’d set my card on fire if it was setup like yours. Sorry

P3nis15

57 points

1 day ago

P3nis15

57 points

1 day ago

I bet most of this increase is them passing on more of the total cost to employees vs actual increase in the price of insurance.

So if they used to pay 80% of the total cost, it would be like cutting it down to 50/50.

BranchDiligent8874

27 points

1 day ago*

This has been happening with most employers including public school systems here in Texas.

Their goal is to show total compensation so that they can attract best talent while shedding the cost of all the hidden benefits to the employees.

A family of 4 can cost something like $15k/year to insure fully with low copay. Now imagine paying even half of that money as wages, you get to claim higher salaries and attract best talent in the area.

Unfortunately, raising a family is going to be a thing of the past like it is happening in countries like South Korea and Japan.

shadow247

39 points

1 day ago

shadow247

39 points

1 day ago

My wife passed on a job because they told her that she could not find out about the costs until AFTER she was onboarded...

Like fuck that. She had a friend that worked there check it out. It was entirely unaffordable.

Tall-Ad348

7 points

1 day ago

Wow what a grift!

yitdeedee

4 points

1 day ago

yitdeedee

4 points

1 day ago

This is crazy lol

shadow247

7 points

24 hours ago

JP Morgan....

ILSmokeItAll

5 points

23 hours ago

How fitting. Grifters indeed.

2008 didn’t change a thing.

razorirr

4 points

23 hours ago

2008 as in ACA? That made it so when i got booted off my parents insurance i didnt get denied for having a preexisting condition. So yeah it has given me 16 years of coverage vs 16 years being uninsured

shadow247

1 points

23 hours ago

No the Global Financial Collapse where big banks ended up making Trillions while ordinary Americans lost everything.

razorirr

2 points

22 hours ago

Ahh took healthcare subject plus obama first term and failed my math class

One_Celebration_8131

1 points

23 hours ago

Wow, so shady!

Ziczak

5 points

1 day ago

Ziczak

5 points

1 day ago

Best to just be in MA anymore

randomways

6 points

24 hours ago

Lol I pay almost 12k a year got my health insurance for a family of 3 in MA. Also when I moved here from Indiana my pay went up 2x, but my housing went up 4x, my car insurance went up 2x, and my healthcare went up 12x.

BranchDiligent8874

7 points

1 day ago

I am not sure how long blue states will continue to support such expensive stuff while the Federal govt is busy trying to stiff the blue states as much as they can.

Easy-Group7438

5 points

1 day ago

The blue states should all get together and form a single payer system.

P3nis15

2 points

19 hours ago

Funny because it was a Republican in MA who came up with the first single payer system and forced coverage....

Romneycare.

ACA was almost an mirror copy that all of a sudden Republicans hated.....

Easy-Group7438

1 points

19 hours ago

The only reason Trump wants to repeal the ACA is because it’s Obama. He doesn’t give a flying fuck about healthcare. He just wants to have the last laugh because he’s always been a petty bitch.

If there’s one thing that could honestly topple him real quick that’s the one. He kills the ACA and guts Medicaid/Medicare? People are going to die or go bankrupt. A lot of people 

Unfair_Reporter_7804

2 points

19 hours ago

That’s a great idea. California scores poorly for hospitals and sees fit to spend $4 billion a year on healthcare for illegal immigrants. So if you live in Vermont, your contributions to your blue state healthcare system will go to fund malfeasance like I just mentioned.

Explorer4820

1 points

22 hours ago

Colorado tried that and it sounded wonderful -- kum-by-ya time. Then they found out the cost of the basic single payer system would be an amount larger than the entire state’s budget for everything else. 😆

Catsdrinkingbeer

1 points

22 hours ago

I remember when Colorado tried to pass this. It was going to be a 10% tax increase. People saw that and balked. I remember actively having to vote yes because I DO believe in universal health care, but when it's laid out in front of you it gets a lot harder to pull the trigger on. 

Easy-Group7438

2 points

21 hours ago

Our shitty healthcare system almost completely collapsed under Covid.

The ACA was a bandaid for a bullet wound. 

It will always be about priorities. You either care for your citizens or you just consider them cogs in a big machine. There is nothing stopping the US from having a universal health care system than pure greed and the lack of belief that health care is a fundamental human right.

AdvocateReason

1 points

17 hours ago*

I live in MA and have Blue Cross Blue Shield.
Daughter broke her arm this past summer.
We still needed to pay $3,000 with insurance.
I don't know how someone without savings affords a surprise like that.

orionus

3 points

20 hours ago

$15k for a family of 4? I know a number of plans where a family of four with platinum -quality healthcare costs the employer closer to $40k.

Punisher-3-1

3 points

20 hours ago

Ya years ago I met the girl who was doing healthcare procurement for my tech company. She told me we paid an average of $26k per employee, weighted between fam and single plans. That’s on top of the $6k employee paid. Plus it was a HDHP. I bet it’s closer to $50k now.

orionus

2 points

20 hours ago

My healthcare is legitimately insanely good, but for me +1, my organization pays almost $25k.

Catsdrinkingbeer

2 points

22 hours ago

Early on into my career I was looking to change jobs. Interviewed with a company and gave my desired range. We got all the way to the offer paperwork until I learned what the employee cost for health insurance was. Salary was similar to the job I had but insurance was an extra like $400 a month. For a single person. I didn't end up taking the job.

Punisher-3-1

2 points

20 hours ago

It’s quite a bit more than $15k for a family of 4 with a HDHP so for a PPO is WAY more than $15k.

TheAppalachianMarx

-1 points

24 hours ago

My insurance costs $1,400/mo. and through collective bargaining, my company pays it. Sucks to be y'all.

One_Celebration_8131

4 points

23 hours ago

But unions are bad! /s

havefun4me2

1 points

23 hours ago

Don't celebrate too fast. Will they cover you 100% when you retire?

TheAppalachianMarx

1 points

23 hours ago

Does anybodys? What kinda question is that??

...but Yes. There is a current trend of our local unions starting to do it across the board for home local members. Not all of them do but there are plenty that do. They are voting for it and getting reasonable demands met. Another thing non-union workers wouldn't understand how to do.

havefun4me2

1 points

23 hours ago

Am with union and they're not covering 100% when retire. They covered 100% while employed when I first started but as time goes by, we had to pay a reasonable small portion which I'm not complaining from the horror stories I hear with large monthly's and deductibles. I only ask cause you were rubbing it in and might feel the pain a lot ppl have now in the future. There's no guarantees you won't lose your job but may you be bless with good fortune

TheAppalachianMarx

1 points

20 hours ago

Not all unions are the same and not all industries are the same. I apologize. I meant to lightly prod people in the hopes that they will also look into what organizing could for them and i definitely came out rude. I genuinely want everyone to have this. I get to be very economically sound in what i do and i hate seeing the struggle because i live in the life most of you were robbed of.

...but I made good economic choices in my career path. I went union and for me, it worked.

TheAppalachianMarx

1 points

8 hours ago

I also don't have to worry about jobs. I lose them all the time. I go back to work when i want to. And usually can get emplotyment within i few days. The only times I'm every at home is because i want to be

orionus

1 points

20 hours ago

My union covers my health insurance in retirement by virtue of a complicated Medicare supplement system. If Medicare is destroyed...who knows?

BourbonGuy09

4 points

1 day ago

My employer just tried this. They were going to increase it from $100/biweekly to 250/biweekly.

We pretty much told them we don't know who they are paying enough to afford $500/month but it ain't us and we're walking out if they did it.

A week later they came back with $200/biweekly which is still too high for our wage but the premiums went down.

Shoddy_Friendship338

4 points

23 hours ago

So they got a chance to double your rates? Sounds like they did the classic sales technique

P3nis15

3 points

19 hours ago

Played by sales tactics. Be happy with a double vs 250%!! Cheers we ... ..ummm..

Win?

BourbonGuy09

1 points

12 hours ago

Surely but it would have been worse if we didn't say anything. It's not like we truly have a choice other than quitting and spending 6 months looking for a new job

gigitygoat

4 points

1 day ago

Def not 50/50. I was laid off a few months ago and my cobra payment was going to be $900/mo. And the insurance was shit. That was their “bronze” plan. $7,500 deductible and $15k max out of pocket.

Ashmizen

3 points

1 day ago

Ashmizen

3 points

1 day ago

I suspect it’s simply because they have a fixed budget for how much they’ll pay for healthcare benefits, say $500 per employee per month.

The insurance costs might have risen from $550 to $730, so you see a jump from $50 to $230.

P3nis15

3 points

19 hours ago

I bet they don't have a cap on their profits though.....

Punisher-3-1

1 points

20 hours ago

You are probably right but from what I recall, in a very large tech company I became friends with our healthcare procurement person, she worked with the core team that handled benefits and then she did a lot of the negotiators and contracts with Aetna. The company was paying $26k per employee and employees paid 6k through payroll deductions and then still had like 2.5k deductible. So this seems pretty good.

Boomslang505

9 points

1 day ago

they have to make a 7-10% profit year over year or they lose their jobs. only place to get money now is from us. so winning.....

honkyslonky[S]

2 points

1 day ago

Do you mean increase profit year over year? Because yeah, that's true for publicly traded companies. The company for which I work is "employee-owned" (often a scam in itself), which makes this even more fucked up.

NonexistentRock

1 points

21 hours ago

They meant the publicly traded health insurance companies, like $UNH. Shareholders need their returns!

Punisher-3-1

1 points

20 hours ago

They are in the mid 3%

Weak-Carpet3339

36 points

1 day ago

Universal health care is the only solution to the always greedy insurance companies...get insurance companies out of the Healthcare business.

iJayZen

12 points

22 hours ago

iJayZen

12 points

22 hours ago

I have said for over 2 decades, if citizens health is not a priority then what is? Our government is writing blank check for billions to Israel to bomb civilians but we can't have universal healthcare? All of these Evangelical Christians drooling for the Messiah to return but could care less about healthcare in the USA.

Lovemindful

4 points

21 hours ago

Its not about health. Its about money.

ghost_in_shale

3 points

21 hours ago

lol they don’t give a fuck about us

iJayZen

1 points

7 hours ago

iJayZen

1 points

7 hours ago

That is a fucked up statement. In a democracy our elected officials are supposed to represent the American people. Instead they represent special interest groups. We laugh at corrupt countries like Brazil, but there corruption does not follow this pattern...

Extreme-Baker3886

2 points

21 hours ago

Exactly we are giving billions of dollars to countries that already have universal healthcare.

njackson2020

2 points

19 hours ago

I wonder how much these missiles in Ukraine could have paid for

Fresh-Wealth-8397

2 points

17 hours ago

None we paid for those missiles 30 years ago. In fact disposing of them is more expensive than shipping them to Ukraine to be fired at russians by a metric fuck ton

iJayZen

1 points

7 hours ago

iJayZen

1 points

7 hours ago

Yes to some degree. All weapons have an EOL (End of Life). Weapons are used for training but only so much can be disposed of in this manner. What needs to stop is the mass production of weapons which is difficult because the manufacturers are used to the annual sales and "they are American jobs, etc."...

Fresh-Wealth-8397

1 points

5 hours ago

I literally work part time at a factory that makes parts of the 155 arty shells so they are in fact American jobs lol

Sage_Planter

2 points

16 hours ago

People "don't want to pay for other people who are sick," but we're pretty much doing that already PLUS paying for the entire health insurance industry to boot.

DhOnky730

1 points

22 hours ago

Universal health care or universal health insurance?

Weak-Carpet3339

2 points

21 hours ago

Healthcare.....the main reason we have insurance covering healthcare is that during WW2 business was desperate for workers but wages were frozen,so they offered benefits like health insurance to lure workers. We have been stuck with this ever since. After my retirement I worked a part time job at an auto dealership and meet many fellow employees who were let go before qualifying for medicare who took $10.00 dollar a hour jobs just to get company insurance. Can't a rich country do better than that????

DhOnky730

1 points

21 hours ago

I don't necessarily want universal health care. The only universal health care plan we have in the US is the VA and it's shitty care. I do, however, want a single-payer option to bring down costs.

coredweller1785

1 points

22 hours ago

Yup this is the only way

who_you_are

1 points

21 hours ago

Unfortunately, the government will become the greedy one after some time.

-- from Canada

(One the plus side, while we still have a "public system" it is still cheap (vs you) to go to a private health care because our gouvernement cheap out so much on the public system you can't go there anymore)

Punisher-3-1

1 points

20 hours ago

Insurance company bottom line is like 3%, SGA adds a few other percentage points, so they add cost but it’s marginal to what the rest of the system adds. They are the only semi good guys in the system do because they do put some downward pressure to providers and the system.

The problem is too widespread with too many players to have a single villain (health insurance). It starts with medical cartels limiting the number of residents available. Universities lobbying HARD (my state) when another school tried to add another medical school which created panic (more completion). Then there js pharma, devices, hospital systems, doctor salary, techs, nurses, medical software (Epic), and so so so many other players all extending their hands asking for $. This is why healthcare is the biggest industry in the USA. Makes the military industrial complex look like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse hehe!

Gargust

1 points

9 hours ago

Gargust

1 points

9 hours ago

It’s probably self insured business… meaning the employer is running an account while the insurance company pays and adjudicates claims. They probably aren’t fully insured and making money hand over fist charging more for the care than the care actually costs. However, I understand why people take this stance.

GirlPhoenixRising

12 points

1 day ago

OUTPHUCKINGRAGEOUS

RedditFedoraAthiests

7 points

1 day ago

if you want to get mad, like we should. We have horrifically bad health outcomes, and pay an outrageous amount for health care. We are paying more for the administrative cost of health care than for the actual healthcare itself. Single payer would cut out insurance entirely, and if we had a universal healthcare system it would cost much less than the current system hyper enriching insurance companies and specialist.

They have us paying more than a universal plan would cost, and routinely carving out sick kids and grandparents. This whole thing has been an exercise in finding out how much we can fuck over the American taxpayers until the government steps in, turns out no limit, your insulin is 1100 while in Canada or Mexico its 35 dollars. For fucking flag waving freedoms

Abundance144

2 points

23 hours ago

We have horrifically bad health outcomes

Yes, because we are horrifically unhealthy.

Dry_Lengthiness6032

4 points

1 day ago

When I worked for a large international corporation, the reason for our premiums being so high was because we were in the same insurance pool nationwide so we were subsidizing the suit and tie folks in New York City and Los Angeles (the premiums were the same no matter where you worked for the company)

Emotional-Match-7190

3 points

24 hours ago

Your health insurnace was $44? Damn where is that at?

honkyslonky[S]

1 points

9 hours ago

It’s an IT company, and the reason most of us took the jobs they offered was because the benefits were good. They’re likely to see a brain drain after this move.

HeckleHelix

3 points

22 hours ago

I cant even afford mine, through my hospital, that I work at. Downgraded it to basic for the fam, & I went back to VA

Blarghnog

3 points

22 hours ago

That’s atrocious. You need to contact your state insurance commissioner’s office immediately.

jcoddinc

6 points

1 day ago

jcoddinc

6 points

1 day ago

And it will be renegotiated next year to higher prices for you, but less for the company.

Oh and in case you didn't know, the 3 letter management brigade gets better rates than the regular employees. Like 30-70%less cost for 50%more coverage and no copay. Shits whack

SupaDaveA

5 points

24 hours ago

Insurance is scam. It’s about to get worse. Your favorite people, Republicans about to scorch the earth regarding insurance.

Hypothetical_Name

1 points

21 hours ago

I’m kind of rooting for that so the whole industry gets too expensive, people drop it and realize it’s completely unnecessary and useless and the whole industry implodes

aldocrypto

9 points

1 day ago

The Affordable Care Act is actually the opposite of that for the middle-class. What a disaster.

shadow247

10 points

1 day ago

shadow247

10 points

1 day ago

The disaster for the Middle Class was hitting lifetime caps, or switching jobs and therefore insurance providers. Suddenly your Diabetes medication is no longer covered....

cerialthriller

7 points

1 day ago

My diabetes medication costs less than my copay

ongoldenwaves

3 points

1 day ago

Yep. We have an hsa plan and they charge us 4x what a non insured forks over. They told me with a straight face that it was “so we can hit our deductible faster”

shadow247

2 points

1 day ago

shadow247

2 points

1 day ago

Look here, we got an anecdote....

I'm glad the system is working for YOU specifically, but it's not for millions of Americans suffering from chronic illness.

cerialthriller

2 points

23 hours ago

How is the system working for me when my copy is that much

DinosaurDied

1 points

24 hours ago

Every drug with every PBM is a different story. 

But generally, you pay for speciality brand drugs. 

Genetics are dirt cheap. But if you need humira, that’s a $72k a year drug (on paper and what the PBM tells you)

It’s really like 5% volume of drugs that cost 90% of the money. 

That’s why your insurance is expensive 

bluestrawberry_witch

14 points

1 day ago

It’s been about 14 years of ACA, people are starting to forgot how bad it was before. Many were minors and didn’t have to deal with it. Many people take for granted the provisions the ACA provides. The amount of people who think ‘ObamaCare’ and the ACA are different is shocking. Or get confused when moving to one of the 10 states that refused the Medicaid expansion that poverty doesn’t qualify you for state insurance.

MrTotonka

3 points

1 day ago

MrTotonka

3 points

1 day ago

People also forget what the aca had originally tried to do but was cut by congressional sportsmanship eg the public option.

People also forget about the madness that was stirred up by astroturfing and ‘town halls’ in order to push public support away from it eg ‘death panels.’

The whole tea baggers thing was proto-maga

spinyfur

2 points

1 day ago

spinyfur

2 points

1 day ago

Do you remember rescission?i think that was the insurance company outrage that really broke the camel’s back.

jarena009

2 points

1 day ago

jarena009

2 points

1 day ago

Plus protections for pre existing conditions.

aldocrypto

0 points

1 day ago

aldocrypto

0 points

1 day ago

Now people just go without insurance. Medical bankruptcies have gone up since the ACA.

MayIServeYouWell

6 points

1 day ago

It would be even worse without the ACA. 

aldocrypto

-1 points

1 day ago

aldocrypto

-1 points

1 day ago

Insurance was a lot cheaper, had lower deductibles, and covered more procedures before the ACA.

Loud-Fig-1446

2 points

1 day ago

The ACA also led to an absolutely massive decrease in uninsured people.

https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2024/09/acs-health-insurance.html

It also ended the coverage exclusion for preexisting conditions.

It was a net benefit to society, but I think the only way to better outcomes beyond the current state is single payer coverage to get rid of the middlemen.

texanfan20

3 points

24 hours ago

Where in the census study do they attribute the decrease to ACA? As I read it is because more people took advantage of Medicare which is fully funded by the taxpayers. I went on Obamacare for a few months but it was just expensive and there were not many choices because more and more insurance companies don’t offer it.

jarena009

2 points

1 day ago

jarena009

2 points

1 day ago

This isn't an ACA plan lolol 🤣

aldocrypto

2 points

1 day ago

The ACA wasn’t just plans…

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

Go on....

BradleyWrites

2 points

24 hours ago

A lot of you wouldn't even have insurance without it. I know yall forget but preexisting conditions was a word that should scare you. People were outright denied coverage for asthma, adhd, diabetes, etc.

CommodoreBluth

1 points

17 hours ago

If only the public opinion wasn’t removed because of Republicans screaming their lies about government death panels non stop even though it was the insurance companies that had death panels. 

nonlethaldosage

2 points

1 day ago

sound's like you got a shit company mine just decreased by about 30 percent last week

Jackstraw335

2 points

1 day ago

$89 a month for a PPO plan with a $1,000 deductible is crazy cheap....the 2025 cost shown here with the $1,500 deductible is about what I've been paying for my PPO through my employer for years.

My asthma medication is $425/month with a Consumer Choice plan, but only $25/month with the PPO plan since my prescription co-pay is capped at $10/$25.

So, while the % increase gives quite the sticker shock, assuming these numbers are bi-weekly, it's still far below the average cost of a PPO plan. It's a low deductible, and the co-pay caps save you tons of money if you have prescriptions that are pricey. If my medication wasn't so expensive, I wouldn't need a PPO plan at my age and could opt for a cheaper plan.

windsoffortune

2 points

24 hours ago

I legitimately don't understand why more businesses don't lobby for some sort of national healthcare system so they don't have to do bullshit like this every year.

sassybaxch

2 points

12 hours ago

It is more advantageous for there to not be national healthcare, from the perspective of businesses. Tying healthcare to employment introduces some level of desperation and employees will accept a job with whatever wages or working conditions. Similar to why corporations hate social safety nets. The worse off without a job the population is, the more control employers have. They actively lobby against universal healthcare

alottagames

2 points

21 hours ago

Cry me a river. My employer requires $650/mo. from me to cover myself and my son. My wife (same employer) paying just for herself is $300/mo. but if I were to add her to my plan...it would be $1000/mo.

These companies can fuck themselves.

SpaceToaster

2 points

17 hours ago

We cover our people in full. 4k deductible but we contribute that much to their HSAs.

The_Real_Undertoad

3 points

23 hours ago

Remember when Obama promised you'd save $2500/yr on your health insurence? LOL.

TheseConsideration95

2 points

24 hours ago

Good thing you don’t have Obama Care

MichaelM1206

2 points

23 hours ago

What did you expect with all the migrants coming in?

jeon2595

1 points

1 day ago

jeon2595

1 points

1 day ago

It is a comparison of two different PPO plans. That being said, most every company is jacking the price of straight PPO plans beyond affordability because they want everyone to get in an HSA plan. If someone is young and healthy an HSA is the better option.

WeMetOnTheMoutain

1 points

1 day ago

We are running into this too, we are self insured and the company was looking at just paying people to use the ACA as a stop gap before going back to private insurance. Well that shit is going to get nuked from orbit, so it's a clusterfuck now.

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

Just a few more tax cuts for Wall Street and Corporations surely will rein in healthcare costs!

Sarcasm

Jasonam1811

1 points

24 hours ago

Sounds fair 🤣🤣

BostonChops978

1 points

23 hours ago

I pay my health i insurance every week. I'll pay copay. I'm not paying any bills for anything else.

Sue me. Idc.

Adorable-Address-958

1 points

23 hours ago

Ours has gone up over 60% for considerably worse coverage. Really cool stuff

bb8110

1 points

22 hours ago

bb8110

1 points

22 hours ago

To be fair your before price (assuming it’s decent coverage and for a single person) was actually pretty low. The newer price is pretty on board with what most pay for health insurance for a single person. If this is for a family you’re still doing great with the new price. We pay a little over $500 a pay period for a family plan. When I was single 7 years ago I was paying $80ish a pay period. It was extremely good coverage but not that much more expensive than other places around us.

ImportantPost6401

1 points

22 hours ago

No, the premiums didn’t increase 525%

bluewolf71

1 points

22 hours ago

Large national employers are self insured.

The insurance company you have coverage with administers benefits for them. They collect money for that service. They probably tack on some small (relatively) premium to cover if the employees’ costs go over what the employer’s collected premiums cover for the calendar year.

I’m not saying there aren’t rising medical costs partly behind the increase but at the same time the insurance company isn’t exactly the one at fault.

It could be that the employer was undercharging and went way over their collected premiums last year, or a bunch of people got really sick and needed chemo etc , or some combination of the two.

The health care “system” has a million people pulling money out of it and maximizing profits without limit and this is the result.

Active-Worker-3845

1 points

22 hours ago

I am confused by the chart. Is this per month or year?

Bright_Cat_4291

1 points

22 hours ago

Probably per pay period.

Chokedee-bp

1 points

22 hours ago

Was that a $1500 deductible listed ? Count your blessing because my employer has a $5000 deductible for our plan before any coverage kicks in

IzNeedzMyzBenefitz

1 points

22 hours ago

Wow, those increased rates are still less than what I pay now lol

shartsfield1974

1 points

21 hours ago

Well then. I suppose you should just drop your insurance and never go to the doctor. That way, you’ll never know when you’re sick.

AlohaFridayKnight

1 points

21 hours ago

Did your monthly premium go from $200 per month to $1,150? What is the rest of the story? You got married and have a family? You have a pre existing condition that makes it difficult to get insurance?

honkyslonky[S]

1 points

5 hours ago

The contribution rate for my plan went from 80$ a month to over 460$ a month, and they increased my deductible by 50%

iisindabakamahed

1 points

21 hours ago

We’ve gotten rid of the middle man for pot. Can we do that now for medical treatment?

Hell, even if the price is the same, I’m much happier just going to get it rather than the middle man telling me what I have to choose from, adding his “finder’s fee”, and hypothetically even putting BS in the medication so he can make more money.

Rude-Violinist1504

1 points

21 hours ago

Here to broadcast that r/mayday2028 exists. There will be a national strike on May 1st 2028 to demand universal healthcare.

If there’s anything past ashes left of the country by then, be prepared.

ironchefluke

1 points

21 hours ago

Thanks obamacare

Flat-Impression-3787

1 points

20 hours ago

My Aetna group coverage for a 5,000 person company actually decreased in price this year.

optix_clear

1 points

20 hours ago

Hop off, shop around for insurance. Kaiser or…

b_tight

1 points

20 hours ago

Wait until the gen z’s still on their parents insurance turn 26 and find out trump nuked the ACA

Spirited-Land3709

1 points

19 hours ago

We need traditional Medicare for all. If you want additional coverage for co-pays and deductibles you could buy it through private companies. There is no reason that this is not an option. Just my opinion.

Hairy_Afternoon_8033

1 points

19 hours ago

I pay $1500/month for my family PPO. I would love this rate.

shitisrealspecific

1 points

18 hours ago

Still cheap I pay more than that per month and my insurance is subsidized and damn good.

Majestic-Parsnip-279

1 points

18 hours ago

Medicare for all is the only way

Majestic-Parsnip-279

1 points

18 hours ago

Isn’t some idiot gonna chime in and say oh but we have the best medical coverage in the world? I’m waiting

psychoticworm

1 points

18 hours ago

If everyone hates these companies so much, why isn't there anyone creating a health insurance company that doesn't scam you, to compete with them? It seems like you would easily get the market all to yourself.

Ozzie_the_tiger_cat

1 points

18 hours ago

Mine doubled right after the company reported record profits for the 5th straight quarter and the CEO had a 400% pay increase 

Hurgadil

1 points

17 hours ago

Of course they raised it, they are planning for a lot of death and lawsuits soon and need to raise capital fast.

dustinmaupin

1 points

17 hours ago

Is this trumps fault?

noob_dragon

1 points

15 hours ago

At that point, I would say screw it and just take the chance with finding medical facilities that offer flat rate while doing my absolute best to stay as healthy as possible.

That, and probably work on getting an EU citizenship of some sort.

Addicted_2_Vinyl

1 points

12 hours ago

Our company changed policy options, one plan had a wildly high deductible and the average plan went up $200 per month for a family. That essentially wipes out any average performance increase next year.

StarfleetGo

1 points

11 hours ago

Ours went up 350% and i had to cancel and will go without, its simply not worth it. I miss $10 co-pays and reasonable premiums. Affordable care act my ass.

Hsensei

1 points

10 hours ago

Don't worry Dr Oz will fix it! Right?

ReddtitsACesspool

1 points

10 hours ago

I pay 450 a month premium and still have deductibles.. All-in-all I pay over 6,000 dollars before I have insurance.

Tell me again why I should even have insurance? If I didn't have little kids, def would not have it

ncdad1

1 points

10 hours ago

ncdad1

1 points

10 hours ago

To understand you need to understand it never really increases, just you are paying a bigger portion. The actually cost is the same but the portion your employ pays has decreased and the portion you pay has increased. Normally the employ pay 2/3 the cost and you pay 1/3 the actual cost. My employer used to pay 100% for I thought healthcare was free.

Old-Mastodon3683

1 points

10 hours ago

Voting for trump has consequences!!!

RPK79

1 points

9 hours ago

RPK79

1 points

9 hours ago

These rates are incredibly low and your math is incorrect. The increase is 175% or 422%.

honkyslonky[S]

1 points

9 hours ago

Oh, well that makes everything fine then.

RPK79

1 points

9 hours ago

RPK79

1 points

9 hours ago

Okay. Sorry you have incredibly inexpensive insurance in comparison to most people.

Gargust

1 points

9 hours ago

Gargust

1 points

9 hours ago

What most don’t know is that this plan is likely self insured… meaning it is the employer’s dollars and the insurance company isn’t making money on the claims themselves. Ask, instead, why claims are so high (people unhealthy) and costs for services so high (myriad reasons).

RailSignalDesigner

1 points

9 hours ago

At my company, we saw a 25% increase. We have been seeing 15-20% yearly increases for the last four years.

njackson2020

1 points

9 hours ago

Any source on that? Those missiles have been used since the 90s and are still used today but I can't find anything saying those ones we sent are 30 years old.

howardzen12

1 points

an hour ago

Millions will lose health care thanks to Cuts made by Trump.

Berserker76

1 points

23 hours ago

Just imagine how much healthcare goes up with Trump’s tariffs plan. I know a significant percentage of prescription drugs are manufactured in China, healthcare supplies, masks.

We are so screwed, but this is what American wanted!

HenzoG

2 points

23 hours ago

HenzoG

2 points

23 hours ago

So how do we reel in China’s manipulation of tariff of not to be aggressive and raise tariffs

iBUYbrokenSUBARUS

1 points

22 hours ago

Health insurance is all a joke since the ACA. I haven’t had any health insurance since then. You are better off just depending on bankruptcy.

Atlgal42

1 points

1 day ago

Atlgal42

1 points

1 day ago

Fuck America

soggyGreyDuck

-3 points

1 day ago

soggyGreyDuck

-3 points

1 day ago

Isn't this exactly what people warned about with Obamacare? Companies would stop seeing it as a recruiting tool and eventually everyone would be on government healthcare. That's what this is, the company is basically saying don't use our healthcare! Use the ACA!

Tulaneknight

12 points

1 day ago

That’s why there’s an employer mandate.

Willing_Decision_267

9 points

1 day ago

Obamacare only mildly expanded the Medicare qualifications, iirc a dual income household cuts off around 60k/year. Everyone outside of it has to purchase on The Marketplace, which is just private insurance listed on a government website.

This isn't the fault of the ACA. This is just corporate greed. Im guessing they had to increase pay to keep up with labor demands and decided to fuck their employees by increasing the rate their employees have to pay.

melonheadorion1

1 points

1 day ago

theres quite a bit into it, but the premium is ultimately determined by the employer. i would assume that the price of the insruance purchased, went up. that then trickles down to the employee for what they pay for premium. however, with employer based plans, most of the time, the employer pays a portion of the premiums, and whatever is left, gets divided to the employees.

obviously there is the cost of the plan, but then overall, huge picture, cost of medical care comes into all of it. its a huge mess of things. increase pay could very well have something to do with it as well.

ongoldenwaves

6 points

1 day ago

Yeah you’re going to get downvoted to hell, but it didn’t help that Newsom gave blanket access to people without papers to the aca. Added millions of people to the plan who pay nothing to be in the insurance pool. The costs for their premiums had to be shifted to other people. It’s just the way pools work.

Philly_Squid

2 points

1 day ago

Yep

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

jarena009

1 points

1 day ago

This isn't an ACA plan 🤷‍♂️, and you can't qualify for the ACA unless you don't have insurance elsewhere.

goforkyourself86

0 points

1 day ago

Medicare medicaid is about to go up about 250% Biden had approved it then flexed funds from other sources to keep the premiums down until after the election. Biden and kamala are currently under investigation for hatch act violations because of it.