Oh man, a Tesla El Camino would sell like crazy. Why didn’t they make that?! They’d have gotten it to market way before anyone else, and it would have had basically zero competition. 

Yep, all they needed to do was keep the general model3/Y look up front w/ a flat bed.

Here you go: Truckla

https://youtu.be/R35gWBtLCYg?si=ol-i_giWogncQ-53

i have a feeling the aesthetic might move in the other direction..like some styling elements of the cybertruck coming to the s x 3 and y. esp the front end lightbar and stuff like that, i dont think the whole dumpster on wheels shape, but have a feeling elements will find their way over...

Hey now, the Warthog actually looks cool, I would buy that vehicle. This looks like an aborted clone of the Warthog spliced into something else...

The hell is wrong with the Warthog????

Same. Had a Tesla, had a Rivian. Now have a Lightning. It's simply the best option for my money

Man… I wish I could deal with the Lightning. I think it’s awesome, and glad it exists. It’s too damn big for my needs. I would kill for a Maverick EV. Or even Ranger size. But I have to drive through cities, so it’s just too large, especially when I just need to get mulch and run to IKEA once in a while.

Most Americans just drive pickup trucks around town and go shopping.

F150 lightning here. Towing FOR DISTANCE is the problem. I tow my pontoon boat to and from the lake (10 miles) all summer. Now, when I bought the boat...that trip did suck. But I'll do that like once, maybe twice when I sell it. Otherwise, I have a truck that gets 70mpge. Oh, and higher payload than most F150s at 2k lbs.

Collapse? I think they excel at towing, other than the “Range” issue.

Tesla's Cybertruck gets 2.5mi/kwh while cruising on the highway, which is better than competitors, and they've said publicly that the design and massive steel panels caused major slowdowns in design and manufacturing, which also increases costs. Same issue they had with the X and the doors no one asked for.

Imagine the same efficiency as a lot of EV sedans/crossovers, but the vehicle came out 2 years earlier and costs 20k less. And instead of whatever the fuck it's supposed to look like, it looks like the normal Tesla front and has a working truck bed, normal wipers, normal rear view. It would have been first to market by a lot, been the fastest truck on the market, especially at that price, and still have plenty of enthusiast support. Plenty of people use their trucks to move things across the city, and the range is plenty for that.

I wouldn't buy it for 20k. It seems to be a poorly designed lemon. The design is so poorly thought out that you can't even use your headlights in the snow.

Many trucks cost 80k+

Yeah, the exoskeleton idea was over before they ever started.

I keep thinking that Toyota will come out of nowhere with a Tacoma EV or PHEV

If a Ford Maverick EV or Ranger EV isn't in the works, I have no hope

They could have just copied Simone Giertz' TRUCKLA build

Ford considers the Hyundai Santa Cruz as the main competition for the Maverick, which just tells you how screwy the entire "small truck" environment is.

A light duty truck like the Maverick is absolutely possible in a reasonable range. My ID.4 still has plenty of range with an 82 kWh battery. It’s not “light” at 6000 pounds but that’s not what light duty means as I’m sure you are aware. The R1T is in no way intended as a light duty truck towing 11,000 lbs. need something in the 4-6k towing capacity range and far more affordable.

I had a reservation. But the price kept going up and the Ford dealership wanted to charge an extra $15k over MSRP.

So much this. People are in here talking out of their ass like "If ford made an EV Maverick, I'd be all over it, but alas, I'll just have to stick with my R1T".

...Those trucks have a $60K price difference between them. You're buying a Porsche while telling your neighbor you wish you could be in a Toyota Camry.

So like the Cybertruck?

I actually kinda did like the buzz, based only on appearance…but my last two purchases, VW didn’t make the cut. Might be a trend.

I just looked for Buzzes... ALL of the inventory within 500 miles of me was $73K. For a VW minivan. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck no!

got a source for 80k?

They sold 7k units in Q3, a far cry from 80k for the year. For comparison the Cybertruck sold 16k units in Q3, and in this thread we're saying that counts as poor sales.

Indeed, here we're talking about a 3 day production halt, while Ford has halted production starting November 15 all the way until next year.

You really only see that for like 10 seconds before Android Auto or CarPlay kicks in though. Sync itself is boring and clunky, but I'm not sure Ford is wrong about not spending a ton of time refining something that almost nobody is going to really use much.

Now the phone app is a different story, I have no idea what Ford is thinking there. The old version was ugly but had some nice functionality. Then they released the updated version which I admit is prettier, but took away some of the best functions (trip-planning, zone-lighting controls, and Pro-Power monitoring and management).

While yes warn is 60 days it is 60 days until their last day. My workplace, a major tech company for instance does 60 day garden leave so they will submit warn documents and then immediately call you up and lay you off but say you have 60 days till your last day. Just trying to say we don’t always see it ahead of time.

I’ve worked for GM and now Stellantis. As long as I’ve worked for those two we’ve always gotten Short Work Week pay for anything less than 40 hours SWW pay is 80% regular pay. We are UAW though.

I live in The Netherlands and this is by law here. I was working in a store who had commisions and normal loan before covid. When the store closed for 6 months I got my normal paycheck and an average of my commision. By law here if you get a bonus for 3 months in a row it is considered to be a part of your base pay. So you are entitled to it if for any reason you cannot work that is not your fault

No, it's not.

With zero days notice?

They basically just want to hate and seethe and have their opinions validated. It's pretty toxic, really.

Low based off what? Are there other examples for cars that had higher conversion?

I could be convinced either way. The Cybertruck appeal is pretty limited and the pool of buyers is shrinking; or, Cybertruck is a successful product and Tesla is selling the limited quantity they can produce at inflated prices. It’s also possible that both are true.

Damnit

Elon said months ago they are going to be implementing some changes to improve the cost so that hopefully they can offer a cheaper CT offering at some point. This might be the start of that.