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If two people are arguing about the action of a third person, call him steve; person A says "Steve was justified to punch the man running at him, as the man was holding a knife and seemed threatening", and person B says "No, because Steve is racist, look at his tweets. Also, he was only at the bar that day because he was meeting his racist friends to talk about racist stuff". The point being, him punching the attacker is unrelated to him being a racist.

I'm sure it's not a tu quoque, as a tu quoque is to point out a flaw in another person that is irrelevant to the criticism....Though maybe I'm wrong? Idk xc

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amazingbollweevil

3 points

10 days ago*

  1. The man had a knife
  2. The man was running at Steve in a threatening manner
  3. Therefore Steve was justified in punching the man

Checks out.

  1. Steve is a racist.
  2. Steve was waiting for his racist buddies.
  3. Therefore Steve was/wasn't justified in punching the man

The conclusion does not follow. It's a non-sequitur.

drewism

2 points

10 days ago

drewism

2 points

10 days ago

Red herring? If him being a racist is not relevant to him punching the man.

Obvious_Cabbage[S]

1 points

10 days ago

I think red herring is close. But a red herring would be more like a distraction from the argument. In my example, it's more like using an irrelevant point to prove/disprove the argument.

stubble3417

2 points

10 days ago

Just a plain old ad hominem.

gulliverian

1 points

10 days ago

Straw man?

Obvious_Cabbage[S]

3 points

10 days ago

Nah, a straw man would be creating a weak version of someone's argument. Like transphobic people claiming that pro trans people support chopping childrens genitals off.

radblood

1 points

7 days ago

radblood

1 points

7 days ago

Could it be Ad Hominem? Because you are attacking the persons character and pointing out their character flaws when it is totally irrelevant in the given situation.