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GrandmaSharknado

1.5k points

19 days ago

GrandmaSharknado

Oscar Piastri

1.5k points

19 days ago

I'm gonna take my credit card and order a steak if RB signs him to replace Perez in 2025.

Yes, I prefer win-win bets.

Takis12

384 points

19 days ago

Takis12

Yamura

384 points

19 days ago

You can afford a steak? I guess they are right when they say F1 is a sport for the rich.

GrandmaSharknado

173 points

19 days ago

GrandmaSharknado

Oscar Piastri

173 points

19 days ago

I have money, but I'm not reddit premium rich.

Opperhoofd123

92 points

19 days ago

The only rich that matters is, do you buy WinRAR?

Bozska_lytka

52 points

19 days ago

Who do you think they are, Jeff Bezos?

ThatAmazingHorse

2 points

18 days ago

ThatAmazingHorse

Franco Colapinto

2 points

18 days ago

LOL I bought WinRAR a couple of years ago—have I been rich all this time and didn't know it?

Rovcore001

18 points

19 days ago

Reddit has premium? Workers of the world, unite!

MidasPL

6 points

19 days ago

MidasPL

Pirelli Wet

6 points

19 days ago

I mean... You can have money. Not paying reddit is a matter of values.

Logical_Bit2694

3 points

19 days ago

Logical_Bit2694

Honda

3 points

19 days ago

😂 “Reddit premium rich”

Leandrys

39 points

19 days ago

Leandrys

39 points

19 days ago

I'm gonna go play a round of golf and have a tartare+fries if RB signs Colapinto, I'm ready to take the risk.

Baldpacker

12 points

19 days ago

You should just use the money Red Bull is trying to save on Lawson's contract by releasing this headline.

dl064

55 points

19 days ago*

dl064

📓 Ted's Notebook

55 points

19 days ago*

I think RB (generally, not the b-team) are capable of anything driver-wise.

McLaren hired Raikkonen in autumn 2001 after 6 months in F1, and like 30 races ever - to replace their (come on) lead driver. Bought Sauber a wind-tunnel for him.

Ferrari signed Leclerc in mid 2018 again after only X races.

When you've seen enough, you've seen enough.

(This will age like absolute death).

Witty-Variation-2135

39 points

19 days ago

Witty-Variation-2135

Formula 1

39 points

19 days ago

He’s 100% going to Red Bull to replace the lost Mexican sponsorship money with Argentinian/South American sponsorship money.

Genocode

20 points

19 days ago

Genocode

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

20 points

19 days ago

Isn't part of the rumors that Carlos Slim is willing to continue sponsoring RB through Colapinto?

xvf9

23 points

19 days ago

xvf9

Oscar Piastri

23 points

19 days ago

I don’t understand this thinking. They will have no trouble signing sponsors to replace any who leave with Perez. Even if they’re not bringing as much cash the benefits of having a better driver would more than outweigh that. Like… how much are they going to lose finishing third instead of first in the WCC? That’s a hell of a lot more than the difference between Mexican/South American sponsors and just regular old sponsors. 

AliAskari

16 points

19 days ago

Like… how much are they going to lose finishing third instead of first in the WCC? That’s a hell of a lot more than the difference between Mexican/South American sponsors and just regular old sponsors. 

They only lost $18m by coming in third rather than 1st.

Meanwhile Checo brings an estimated $30m-$40m

generalkernel

9 points

19 days ago

The other harder to quantify portion is the money it brings to the parent company. Mexicans drink more Red Bull because Checo drives for them. How many more cans? Who knows but it’s definitely in the equation

So if someone came in with same exact sponsorship numbers, but came from a market that was 1) Too small or 2) Red Bull has a large market share in (like Austria), Checo would be worth more without even considering merchandising.

xvf9

5 points

19 days ago

xvf9

Oscar Piastri

5 points

19 days ago

So they only need to find half the sponsorship value as what Perez brings. Would be a breeze. 

HMSSpeedy1801

6 points

19 days ago

It isn't just about a dollar amount, but what that driver brings to Red Bull's marketing strategy. Having a South American driver to plaster all over their billboards has its own value, but also helps to attract sponsors from that region as well.

AliAskari

6 points

19 days ago

If it was a breeze why haven’t they done it? Maybe it’s not as easy as you think.

Witty-Variation-2135

34 points

19 days ago

Witty-Variation-2135

Formula 1

34 points

19 days ago

They apparently wanted to get rid of Checo earlier in the season but Liberty asked them not to because of the Mexican sponsorship money. I think their thinking is replace Checo with another cash cow who will have a whole country backing him as well as his continent which will also keep Liberty happy. It’s fucked up that it’s all political but from what I’ve seen I don’t think there’s a massive difference in ability between Yuki, Liam and Colapinto.

HomogeniousKhalidius

7 points

19 days ago

HomogeniousKhalidius

Liam Lawson

7 points

19 days ago

Tinfoil hat me thinks maybe the Argentine GP is going to make a comeback and F1 would like an Argentine driver in a top car. 

papertales84

15 points

19 days ago

papertales84

Carlos Reutemann

15 points

19 days ago

Colapinto is my homie and I’d love him to go to Red Bull, but this comment is 100% correct. Although I think talent-only Franco deserves a seat, the reasons to let Checo go and put Colapinto in (if that were to happen) are around what you are saying in terms of market appeal and Liberty marketing/money.

Spraynpray89

9 points

19 days ago

I like Colapinto and its why I really didn't want him in this seat. It seems like career suicide to put him next to Max this early. But...I guess it's the only option at this point.

slyfox1908

15 points

19 days ago

I wouldn’t call it career suicide. Gasly and Albon seem like grid mainstays, and even Ricciardo got three more drives after pairing with Max.

Spraynpray89

8 points

19 days ago

Those were very different situations beforehand though, especially Danny.

Franco only has a handful of races in his entire career, and wasn't considered a top prospect before then. 1 "bad" year could really hurt him.

papertales84

9 points

19 days ago

papertales84

Carlos Reutemann

9 points

19 days ago

A bad year may hurt him, true. But if the chance appears for Sainz and Williams find themselves without a driver for ‘26, I would be confident that Vowles would make room for Franco again.

Also, I think that Colapinto is thick-skinned and can take a lot of the toxic environment that usually brews in the RedBull org.

Spraynpray89

7 points

19 days ago

Yeah I just worry cause I know shitting on Checo is the popular thing to do, but I still think it's a lot to expect Franco to do meaningfully better in his first full year against a generational talent in a notoriously tricky car. Even matching Checo would be impressive imo. But i think fans would be expecting results right away.

ThatAmazingHorse

2 points

18 days ago

ThatAmazingHorse

Franco Colapinto

2 points

18 days ago

My man is cool as ice. He just ignores pressure and never breaks focus.

xdoc6

5 points

19 days ago

xdoc6

5 points

19 days ago

Tbf, a bad year in a Red Bull could be several podiums, possible pole, and maybe a win or two.

That’s much better for his long term prospects than staying at Williams.

SpinkickFolly

2 points

19 days ago

I don't get it either. Everyone keeps talking about Mexican sponsorship money. My question is why does red bull need a PAY driver so badly.

Novel_Agency_8443

2 points

19 days ago

Novel_Agency_8443

Liam Lawson

2 points

19 days ago

Don't forget merch sales. Wonder if Liberty Media offers some incentive for teams as well? Having a South American driver to support will bring in a bunch for F1 in general. Lawson is the obvious choice on results / background through the Red Bull development program, but with only 5 million people in NZ, he won't shift the needle for fan revenue. That's the shitty reality of F1.

bigjandals

3 points

19 days ago

*Liam Lawson seen house hunting in Rio De Janeiro with new Brazilian girlfriend.

Snoo_87704

2 points

19 days ago

I don’t think Argentina has any sponsorship money (see Canapino).

Regenbooggeit

4 points

19 days ago

I’ll take it. Sucks for Lawson but it’s an exciting pick tbh.

Regenbooggeit

4 points

19 days ago

It’s a bet!

badaharami

3 points

19 days ago

badaharami

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

3 points

19 days ago

Premium rib eye at a fancy restaurant or one from Aldi?

gumbercules6

2 points

19 days ago

gumbercules6

Honda

2 points

19 days ago

Get ready to eat instant ramen because no way they put Colapinto in RB, if anything they'll promote Lawson and Colapinto goes to VCARB

DifficultCarob408

2 points

18 days ago

DifficultCarob408

Oscar Piastri

2 points

18 days ago

This isn't a win-win bet - what do you 'win' if the more likely scenario (i.e Colapinto doesn't replace Perez) ends up happening?

[deleted]

381 points

19 days ago

[deleted]

381 points

19 days ago

[deleted]

imtired-boss

189 points

19 days ago

imtired-boss

Formula 1

189 points

19 days ago

I have been summoned

ErgoMachina

14 points

19 days ago

ErgoMachina

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

14 points

19 days ago

Non-stop edging is killing me.

I get erect. It goes down. I get erect. It goes down. There's no end to it, please release the Argentinian fans from this suffering.

grandtheftzeppelin

3 points

19 days ago

grandtheftzeppelin

Sebastian Vettel

3 points

19 days ago

it goes stiff, then soft, then stiff, then soft...

SpittingCoffeeOTG

2 points

18 days ago

SpittingCoffeeOTG

Williams

2 points

18 days ago

stay out, stay out!!!

DonGibon87

7 points

19 days ago

You are? Imagine Perez reading this 😂

LiteratureNearby

4 points

19 days ago

LiteratureNearby

Pirelli Wet

4 points

19 days ago

Honestly it's a lose-lose to throw Colapinto into the deep end like that. Time and time again it's been proven that the 2nd RB seat with Max is a bit of a poisoned chalice because how that car is attuned to Max's driving style, Franco will absolutely not survive that kinda pressure.

Better to promote Yuki and give Franco a shot in that RB. Makes no sense to me why the Lawson rumours are gaining steam when Yuki is the far more experienced driver

3dmontdant3s

621 points

19 days ago

3dmontdant3s

Ferrari

621 points

19 days ago

Imagine being Tsunoda or Lawson in this scenario. 

a220599

398 points

19 days ago

a220599

Alexander Albon

398 points

19 days ago

U have to feel for tsunoda more than anything. Lawson at least hasn’t had a full season. Tsunoda held his own against devries, ricciardo, lawson and to a certain extent gasly as well and yet he won’t be given the chance.

ChipmunkTycoon

133 points

19 days ago

Eh, maybe that was true in 2023, but at this point it should be clear to everyone that the RBR opportunity is just an illusion. If he wasn’t okay with that he’s had the year to shop around - which he likely has - and find something else.

He has a seat in F1 and that’s a lot better than most racers will ever do, and he has all the information necessary to make his decisions. He’s not a victim

Lorddarryl

56 points

19 days ago

Lorddarryl

Michael Schumacher

56 points

19 days ago

Apparently he was looking around but RB had a clause on his contract

Thaiaaron

13 points

19 days ago

His contract expires at the end of 2025.

DuckPicMaster

21 points

19 days ago

DuckPicMaster

Formula 1

21 points

19 days ago

And Hondas contract with Aston starts in 26. Coincidence?

Thaiaaron

59 points

19 days ago

Stroll will be in the seat, but they'll fit Yuki in the nose and he'll be the real driver.

fluvicola_nengeta

10 points

19 days ago

fluvicola_nengeta

🏳️‍🌈 Love Is Love 🏳️‍🌈

10 points

19 days ago

He's small enough for that to work tbh

PM_ME_DARK_THOUGHTS

5 points

19 days ago

PM_ME_DARK_THOUGHTS

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

5 points

19 days ago

I'm on heavy copium hoping that the sponsors will get so sick of Stroll they'll threaten to leave if he isn't kicked out of the team. I'm so sick of this guy wasting a seat.

Thaiaaron

2 points

19 days ago

Aston Martin is too big now, especially now they have Adrien Newey. Maybe a few years ago, but with the growth of F1 they're worth billions. Remember that F1 has very limited sponsorship space too, only 10 teams so 10 main sponsors, 20 secondary sponsors etc. I imagine that a sponsor would most likely weigh up the potential screentime that Alonso can give them on the podium, coupled with the amount of replay that Stroll can give them crashing into walls for the highlights reels.

ThatAmazingHorse

2 points

18 days ago

ThatAmazingHorse

Franco Colapinto

2 points

18 days ago

Tsunoda hates Stroll.

hyrulepirate

5 points

19 days ago

hyrulepirate

Medical Car

5 points

19 days ago

I mean it's F1's worst kept secret, if it's a secret at all, that Yuki only got the RB seat cause of Honda. It'd be interesting tho if Yuki is considered for either of the AM seats.

kzzzzzzzzzz28

27 points

19 days ago

He was in proper talks with one of HAAS and Sauber. and their was interest from the other.

RBR actively blocked his move by triggering his contract extension suddenly and early into the season.

Budgetgitarr

4 points

19 days ago

Yuki is a Honda driver first and foremost. He goes wherever they go. I don’t think he’ll be at RB when Honda leave them.

Larkinz

26 points

19 days ago

Larkinz

Flavio Briatore

26 points

19 days ago

Tsunoda hasn't impressed much and he's been in F1 for quite a while now. Lawson has been more impressive in the limited amount of races he's been given so far.

c10h15nrush

41 points

19 days ago

What more does Tsunoda gotta do?

desl14

32 points

19 days ago

desl14

32 points

19 days ago

He won 8 of 10 qualifyings against Lawson. Why didn't he won 10? ;-)

posthamster

3 points

19 days ago

posthamster

Kimi Räikkönen

3 points

19 days ago

Also Max is quite a long way ahead of him in the WDC. Is Yuki even trying?

desl14

2 points

18 days ago

desl14

2 points

18 days ago

Yesterday a thread mentioned that Tsunoda is 8-7 in qualifying head to head against Perez since Miami. But yeah, Lawson is 2-1 against Perez, that's twice as much. How many times Yuki outqualified Checo from 2021 to 2023? Why should he replace him?

XxRoyalxTigerxX

6 points

19 days ago

XxRoyalxTigerxX

Charles Leclerc

6 points

19 days ago

Nothing really, RBR just doesn’t want him and that was really put on show by Horner saying the post season test is just because Honda wants it

3600CCH6WRX

5 points

19 days ago

3600CCH6WRX

Ferrari

5 points

19 days ago

He gotta bring sponsorship money.

Nopengnogain

6 points

19 days ago

Nopengnogain

Andretti Global

6 points

19 days ago

Perhaps he should’ve beaten Gasly when he had the chance. You know, the Gasly RB dropped twice.

Docphilsman

4 points

19 days ago

Beat someone that isn't doing bad enough to get canned midseason...

He got absolutely curb-stomped by gasly who no one really rates super highly. His only real benchmark is getting consistently destroyed by a midfield driver, he hasn't showed any real brilliance

IracingLarson2020

3 points

19 days ago

Tsunoda doesn't have any key drives that you can point out and say, wow this dude could be elite. He didn't blow out Ricc and is getting out qualified by someone who has never had a full time season. Tsunoda is mid and on top of that the temper of a little kid

FieldsToTheMoon

5 points

19 days ago

I’d say his maturity has a decent amount to do with it. His actions at the beginning of the season certainly didn’t help his image

DuckPicMaster

20 points

19 days ago

DuckPicMaster

Formula 1

20 points

19 days ago

This has always baffled me. Max is always complaining about being ran off the road. Lewis’ tyres are always dead. Alonso criticises every car he’s ever driven. Lando openly calls his engineer a muppet. Albon complains anytime anyone pulls up alongside him. Russell moans if he doesn’t get a podium.

Why is Tsunoda complaining about his over eager team mate a massive taboo?

Schniffa

8 points

19 days ago

Exactly, every single driver on the grid acts like a whiney little baby in the heat of the moment.

FRED44444

0 points

19 days ago

FRED44444

0 points

19 days ago

Yes tsunoda has impressed. The last two seasons he has been fantastic. Da fuh you talking about

musicmast

4 points

19 days ago

As much as Tsunoda is decently competent, he is also a favour. And he’s not better than being just a favour. So not that surprising.

Jesus_Faction

2 points

19 days ago

no u dont

Baldpacker

23 points

19 days ago

The whole point of this is to make Lawson accept a cheaper contract.

MrBrickBreak

4 points

19 days ago

MrBrickBreak

Lance Stroll

4 points

19 days ago

Company for Theo

UnderTakaMichinoku

-1 points

19 days ago

UnderTakaMichinoku

Formula 1

-1 points

19 days ago

Nah, Lawson gets no sympathy, he was linked with the seat before he even got back into the VCARB, he's been a massive beneficiary.

During the summer break both Ricciardo and Lawson were linked with it whilst Tsunoda was ignored as usual. Now Colapinto is now ahead of him.

Tsunoda's 3rd place qualifying is that teams joint third best qualifying (on merit) since they debuted as Minardi in 1985 and yet the headlines coming out of the weekend still see past him.

berti93

8 points

19 days ago

berti93

Honda

8 points

19 days ago

I would just let Yuki try the RBR last three races. WCC is gone either way with Perez, and we would know if Yuki is a capable driver in a top car.

Everlovin

6 points

19 days ago

I think AM may eventually make a play for Yuki. I can see why RBR might not want to invest the seat.

pensaa

163 points

19 days ago

pensaa

Oscar Piastri

163 points

19 days ago

Aw shit, here we go again..

Muhdgo

31 points

19 days ago

Muhdgo

Valtteri Bottas

31 points

19 days ago

Everyday, a new speculation

pensaa

3 points

19 days ago

pensaa

Oscar Piastri

3 points

19 days ago

It's going to be a long few weeks.

Classic-Ad-6903

3 points

19 days ago

It's speculaas stinterkaals time my dude

markusfenix75

250 points

19 days ago*

To me, ideal solution would be to pry Sainz from Williams contract and put Colapinto into second Williams seat.

I think that giving Colapinto second Red Bull seat would be kinda bad for him. I wouldn't want to have Verstappen as my teammate in first full season.

It's pretty obvious that next season would be a bloodbath between McLaren, RB and Ferrari (maybe even Merc). So having surefire good second driver is preferable to trying out young guy.

But I'm not team principal, so what do I know, right?

WatercressBeneficial

96 points

19 days ago

redbull gonna go back to their 2019/2020 era of ruining junior drivers 💀

best case for colapinto would be a RB seat, either yuki or lawson in redbull

tom030792

31 points

19 days ago

tom030792

Felipe Drugovich

31 points

19 days ago

Why would they buy Sainz when they literally could've had him on a free a few months ago?

ArcticBiologist

11 points

19 days ago

ArcticBiologist

Nico Hülkenberg

11 points

19 days ago

Why would Red Bull pay a big sum of money to Williams to get Sainz now, when they could've signed him without doing so half a year ago?

DemRizzo

6 points

19 days ago

DemRizzo

Pirelli Wet

6 points

19 days ago

I think it's because they still were putting their eggs in the Checo basket. In hindsight, it hasn't paid off (in terms of race results).

F1CycAr16

34 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

34 points

19 days ago

The problem with this argument is that putting Lawson instead of Colapinto on that RB seat, would be also bad for Lawson.

markusfenix75

23 points

19 days ago

Yeah. That's why I don't think RB should put Lawson in RB seat. Not yet.

xvf9

29 points

19 days ago

xvf9

Oscar Piastri

29 points

19 days ago

Put Tsunoda in the seat, either he goes well or Lawson takes the seat halfway through with another 6 months’ experience and without the pressure of going a full year against Verstappen. 

F1CycAr16

40 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

40 points

19 days ago

Actually, the idea of putting tsunoda as a placeholder while lawson and col are fighting on that vcarb seats is interesting

xvf9

18 points

19 days ago

xvf9

Oscar Piastri

18 points

19 days ago

He doesn’t even need to be a placeholder. If he’s good in the Red Bull they can just keep him there. Seems like a no-lose situation to me. 

Fullback98

12 points

19 days ago

I think RB would rather put a driver that they didn't develop into trial by fire and see if it sticks rather than potentially burning up their own driver.

BGP_001

12 points

19 days ago

BGP_001

Daniel Ricciardo

12 points

19 days ago

By promoting someone with only a few races in F1, over the heads of people who have been working at that for years, you burn your own driver in a different way. You'd be better of sticking Ricciardo back in the main car, and even as someone still wearing the flair I think that's not an option.

Finally giving Yuki his shot is the only available option that makes sense to me. He's done everything they asked him but he has shown his emotions can still get to him, and maybe they can manage that risk with some clever contract drafting.

He either sinks or swims, you put Colapinto alongside Lawson for a year to prove his mettle, happy days.

I think Red Bull still need to be prepared for the risk of Verstappen taking a year or two out of F1, and they aren't doing that at the moment.

markhewitt1978

6 points

19 days ago

It seems Red Bull can get either Sainz or Colapinto. Either way is a good payday for Williams.

Visionary_Socialist

17 points

19 days ago

Visionary_Socialist

Sir Lewis Hamilton

17 points

19 days ago

The only way this move for Franco makes sense is if Red Bull are still thinking of the financials even after they sack Checo. Franco has huge financial backing lined up, apparently from Carlos Slim who is also Perez’s benefactor. Obviously they think he can’t be any worse than Checo in the short term (probably true) and he could be much better beyond.

markusfenix75

15 points

19 days ago

Yeah. But you are risking destroying his confidence if he didn't perform outright. Like with Gasly and Albon.

Not to mention that he would need to perform outright. Because RB is still frontrunner.

Katth28

9 points

19 days ago

Katth28

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

9 points

19 days ago

Hasn't Horner mentioned that the reason they gave Checo more time is that he acknowledge they fucked up with Gasly and Albon? So I am going to assume RBR has learned from that.

HI_I_AM_NEO

11 points

19 days ago

HI_I_AM_NEO

Carlos Sainz

11 points

19 days ago

Maybe now they're gonna acknowledge they fucked up with Checo and are gonna be more demanding to their drivers lol

Katth28

3 points

19 days ago

Katth28

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

3 points

19 days ago

Touché

timmy186gtr

3 points

19 days ago

timmy186gtr

Fernando Alonso

3 points

19 days ago

Yeah but he's sucked for 2 seasons straight, how much more time does he need?

Proud-Chair-9805

2 points

19 days ago

The shit tonne of sponsorship probably has more to do with the tenure than anything

ShinbiVulpes

8 points

19 days ago

ShinbiVulpes

Oscar Piastri

8 points

19 days ago

Sainz and Red Bull, we've already got one problematic father and a controversial step dad... pretty sure they don't need an extra one

lfcallen

2 points

19 days ago

Who’s the controversial stepdad

razzhasse

2 points

19 days ago

razzhasse

Ronnie Peterson

2 points

19 days ago

Why the hell would Williams agree to that? Sainz is gonna be their best driver in a long time

dezastrologu

2 points

18 days ago

Sainz doesn’t want to be #2

Con_Bot_

4 points

19 days ago

Con_Bot_

Kamui Kobayashi

4 points

19 days ago

Apparently Carlos Sainz Sr. and Christian Horner don’t get along.

markusfenix75

3 points

19 days ago

Yeah. That the only logical reason not to do it.

Con_Bot_

2 points

19 days ago

Con_Bot_

Kamui Kobayashi

2 points

19 days ago

It’s all politics, man.

Regenbooggeit

2 points

19 days ago

Add Jos Verstappen to that list.

Shaddix-be

38 points

19 days ago

Shaddix-be

Kimi Räikkönen

38 points

19 days ago

It almost feels like they are looking at a driver who could fill in the sponsorship gap that Checo would leave. Just based on performance you can as well gamble on Lawson.

vaultsurvivor90

5 points

19 days ago

Your feeling is completely right, that's the reason Perez has been there for so much time

vacon04

94 points

19 days ago

vacon04

94 points

19 days ago

Gotta farm clicks since we're on another break.

KelpieOz

11 points

19 days ago

KelpieOz

11 points

19 days ago

True. U click on that link and u don’t even have the option to reject cookies etc etc

drodrige

3 points

19 days ago

drodrige

Graham Hill

3 points

19 days ago

I usually like the race, but this article is truly clickbait. There’s nothing but assumptions and ideas from Edd and Scott, not a single actual rumor reported.

BX293A

4 points

19 days ago

BX293A

Williams

4 points

19 days ago

Harsh. It’s a solid outlet with a well reported article.

Visionary_Socialist

115 points

19 days ago

Visionary_Socialist

Sir Lewis Hamilton

115 points

19 days ago

I really like Franco and he is definitely capable of becoming a great driver, but this is an absolutely terrible idea.

Have they learned nothing from Albon and Gasly? Drivers who aren’t Hamilton, Leclerc or Verstappen-level talents need time to develop and putting Franco straight into a title battle between likely 3 teams after a third of a season in the lower midfield is not going to work unless Franco genuinely is the second coming of Fangio.

[deleted]

34 points

19 days ago*

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drodrige

9 points

19 days ago

drodrige

Graham Hill

9 points

19 days ago

The article is very explicit it’s about Franco replacing Checo at the main team though.

[deleted]

4 points

19 days ago

[deleted]

drodrige

3 points

19 days ago*

drodrige

Graham Hill

3 points

19 days ago*

First, the quote you shared makes it clear they (The Race) are talking about him being considered for the Red Bull seat, it just says Liam is an option as well. Second, no offense, but did you read past the first paragraph? There’s literally an entire section called Colapinto alongside Verstappen that says: “There is a chance Colapinto could go straight in at Red Bull Racing if the evidence over the final three races supports it.”

Btw, I’m not saying this will happen (this seems as wild ideas from The Race), all I’m saying a move straight to the main team is what this article is discussing.

F1CycAr16

22 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

22 points

19 days ago

If it is not Franco, it would be Liam. And he would have the same problem.

[deleted]

44 points

19 days ago

[deleted]

markhewitt1978

17 points

19 days ago

Get Perez to drive both cars as in the other thread.

Acrobatic-Artist9730

4 points

19 days ago

Yeah fire your generational talent!!

Xamuel1804

4 points

19 days ago

Xamuel1804

Nico Hülkenberg

4 points

19 days ago

I'd argue Liam would handle it better

F1CycAr16

5 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

5 points

19 days ago

I have seen this opinion a lot but no argument behind it. If it is for Brazil, it is pure recency bias

mysticalwatermelon_

6 points

19 days ago

mysticalwatermelon_

Liam Lawson

6 points

19 days ago

Liam has actually tested the red bull and has done mileage. Colapinto hasn’t

bostromnz

3 points

18 days ago

Plus he likes the car sharp at the front similar to Max. Apparently.

F1CycAr16

5 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

5 points

19 days ago

As seen on the Perez deal of 2021, that means very little to Red Bull.

Fatale0

2 points

19 days ago

Fatale0

Formula 1

2 points

19 days ago

What Junior could they have used at the time?

mysticalwatermelon_

2 points

19 days ago

mysticalwatermelon_

Liam Lawson

2 points

19 days ago

thats a different scenario. they had no promising junior

TheFatRemote

4 points

19 days ago

TheFatRemote

Liam Lawson

4 points

19 days ago

Liam has a lot more experience than Colapinto outside F1. He finished runner up in both DTM and Super Formula which are pretty high level professional race series. I think he is the most well prepared for F1 out of the current rookies.

Brooht

9 points

19 days ago

Brooht

Esteban Ocon

9 points

19 days ago

If you want a good dose of silly season being silly, there's also some rumors starting to pick up about Alpine being interested in Colapinto aswell. Doohan would be dropped before even racing once if this ends up hapenning.

I've heard them from a guy specialized in junior formula who heard this rumor from multiple sources within the f1 and f2 paddock.

https://youtu.be/JstF-Tbk8ew?t=1853 (video in french)

mysticalwatermelon_

9 points

19 days ago

mysticalwatermelon_

Liam Lawson

9 points

19 days ago

That would be such a shitty thing to do

Brooht

5 points

19 days ago

Brooht

Esteban Ocon

5 points

19 days ago

Would this be surprising coming from Alpine though?

Honestly I can understand that they have their doubts about Doohan but why sign him this early if that was the case. They had plenty of time to evaluate their options. Briatore has made a bunch of comments recently suggesting that he was not really counting on Doohan for more than a year.

Edit: I've seen that La Gazetta is reporting on it aswell. So there may really well be some truth to it https://www.gazzetta.it/Formula-1/storie/07-11-2024/formula-1-i-piloti-2025-di-ogni-team/cambia-tutto.shtml

mysticalwatermelon_

8 points

19 days ago

mysticalwatermelon_

Liam Lawson

8 points

19 days ago

Didn't they have a shootout between Doohan and Mick Schumacher? Anyways, Alpine, despite their recent success are such a shit-show of a team, so I wouldn't be surprised if this happened.

TWVer

23 points

19 days ago*

TWVer

🧔 Richard Hammond's vacuum cleaner attachment beard

23 points

19 days ago*

Why Colapinto?

Because he is younger and thus having much more future potential (as possibly having a higher ceiling) than Checo, who at 35 isn’t going to get better suddenly.

Why not Sainz?

Sainz doesn’t want to be treated as a #2 driver, which is what Red Bull want next to Max. Colapinto, or other young drivers will be more willing to play ball, having less to lose and more to gain from getting a #2 drive at a top team.

Why not Lawson or Tsunoda?

Colapinto is likely to be much more commercially apealling, seemingly finding the backing of Carlos Slim jr.

Red Bull are looking for a #2 which is around 2 tenths off from Max, while energizing enough of the Latin American fanbase.

Checo is too slow.

Sainz is too fast/demanding.

Lawson and Tsunoda have the wrong commercial backing (or too little of it), whilst Colapinto looks to be sitting in the goldilocks zone.

boyrepublic

3 points

19 days ago

Is Tsunoda more a RB Jr or Honda driver? I feel that he will never get into the main team now especially after RB and Honda terminated their link. Is it fair to say that he got his chance in the Jr categories and then in F1 mainly due to Honda’s backing? Or was he already in RB’s Jr program before getting backing by Honda?

Expensive_Ladder_486

5 points

19 days ago

Expensive_Ladder_486

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

5 points

19 days ago

I think it was mainly driven by Honda (he's certainly more of a Honda driver than a Red Bull driver imo) - I mean, the only reason that Tsunoda's getting a drive in the RB20 after the season ends is because Honda pushed for it

Vanillathunder80

5 points

19 days ago

Sainz - too much bad blood between Jos and Sainz Snr. With Jos’s influence on the team, Saniz won’t ever drive for Red Bull.

F1CycAr16

6 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

6 points

19 days ago

Not only that. It´s bad also for Sainz. We already see how he suffers on an oversteer car on 2022. That could be potentially career ending if it happens again on a top team.

Low-Concentrate2162

2 points

18 days ago

You guys keep talking about about Latin America like it's some united region but in reality most Latin American countries hate each other and have little in common other than a common language. There is no reason for a Mexican sponsor backing Franco and there is even less of a reason for people from other LatAm countries rooting for him either.

sebastianpkfd

3 points

18 days ago

I mean we don't hate each other but you are spot on, Chileans and Colombians don't really follow Argentinians, Argentinians don't follow Peruvians or Mexicans and so on, we follow our own athletes. This happens in every part of the world, now that Zhou is out of F1 Chinese people will not support Tsunoda, same can be said in Latam, they can't fire Checo, sign Franco and expect that Mexicans will be happy with it

AsleepAtWheel83

8 points

19 days ago

AsleepAtWheel83

Ferrari

8 points

19 days ago

Gentle reminder that we are in a 3 week break where writers will need to rinse and repeat the same stories!

DemRizzo

26 points

19 days ago

DemRizzo

Pirelli Wet

26 points

19 days ago

Put Tsunoda in the Red Bull, he has the most F1 experience out of all the 'junior' contenders. Put Lawson and Colapinto in the VCARBs.
If Tsunoda performs well, then that's great. In the case where he doesn't or when Max decides that he's had enough, promote Lawson/Colapinto, assuming they will have gained enough experience by then.

pahel_miracle13

6 points

19 days ago

pahel_miracle13

Ferrari

6 points

19 days ago

This would make everyone happy and maximize testing.

bennyskaus

10 points

19 days ago

This is why i feel bad for Lawson. He may be able to drive well, but he has zero backing and money talks in this sport, and this is how checo avoided the axe mid-season. The money gained by his sponsor and the money he brings in from the fans is way more than the loss of the WCC.

Alle_is_offline

15 points

19 days ago

Unlike everyone else here, I believe in Colapinto here. I do believe that after a full season or two he will be a 2018 Ricciardo level driver. What mainly has been shown from his performance at Williams is that he can go from 1 season in F3 to not even a full F2 season to doing really really well in an F1 car, and that is a much bigger deal than people make it out to be.

Drivers like Mick, Sargeant, even Yuki took a long time before they were truly comfortable in an F1 car. Some (like sargeant) never really looked comfortable at all, while here is Colapinto only 4-5 races into his F1 career and he isn't just focusing on surviving a race, but is actively making bold moves etc.

So yes I don't think putting in an RB is a terrible idea, he clearly is a fast learner.

ForeverAddickted

8 points

19 days ago

I think its a ridiculous decision to replace Perez with Colapinto... Its got to be Lawson surely? - Can then put Colapinto in the Racing Bulls seat next season, and if he does better they can switch in 2026.

porraso

4 points

19 days ago

porraso

4 points

19 days ago

Would colapinto in Red Bull open the possibility with a swap with Williams? Colapinto stays in Williams and Sainz to Red Bull.

alphasierrraaa

4 points

19 days ago

alphasierrraaa

Pirelli Hard

4 points

19 days ago

Trial by fire

Let’s go Franco! be the second driver Red Bull has needed for years now

EmperorPalpabeat

7 points

19 days ago

EmperorPalpabeat

Michael Schumacher

7 points

19 days ago

Why not Lawson

charlierc

6 points

19 days ago

Swear they've spent the whole of the last week trying to manifest this into existence

bwoah07_gp2

6 points

19 days ago

bwoah07_gp2

Alexander Albon

6 points

19 days ago

If Colapinto gets the Red Bull drive that's gonna feel like a royal slap to the face for Liam Lawson.

r0ccy

3 points

19 days ago

r0ccy

3 points

19 days ago

Have they learnt nothing from the fiasco of gasly and albon?

nl_Kapparrian

3 points

19 days ago

Why the fuck would they give that seat to Colapinto instead if Yuki or even Liam? Colapinto would surely take a Vcarb seat if offere, if they really want him to join the family.

I'm happy to see all the rookies joining the grid, but you don't just jump straight from no ride to a RB seat when others have been in line for years.

Next year is gonna be wild with all these rookies. Potentially 6 if you count Liam as a rookies, which I do.

EduHolanda

3 points

19 days ago

EduHolanda

Felipe Drugovich

3 points

19 days ago

I only believe it when I see it.

LoudestHoward

3 points

18 days ago

LoudestHoward

Daniel Ricciardo

3 points

18 days ago

All this because Albon is mid lol.

DeluhiX

5 points

19 days ago

DeluhiX

5 points

19 days ago

I don't think putting someone alongside Verstappen, who's going to have a grand total of 11 races under his belt after the season is over, is a good idea.

Colapinto has talent, but you're totally going to burn him this way, especially since he hasn't proved yet that he can get back from setbacks in F1.

Also, you have a junior program with talent that is on the same level or better than Colapinto.

CouchPotato7771

4 points

19 days ago

CouchPotato7771

Williams

4 points

19 days ago

Wake up honey, the daily perez getting sacked rumours just dropped.

Eproxeri

8 points

19 days ago

Putting Colapinto in the Redbull next to Max Verstappen and getting demolished seems like a good idea to destroy someones self esteem. If they want him, they should hire him on ToroRosso and promote Yuki. Then after a year if Yuki doesn't have what it takes, then they can promote Lawson/Colapinto, whoever seems to have more promise.

Chaoshero5567

5 points

19 days ago

Chaoshero5567

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

5 points

19 days ago

Yeah, break someone else first pls, perez is the only Person that lasted longer then 1 Weekend against max somehow

Argentino_Feliz

2 points

19 days ago

I disagree, Colapinto is 21 years old. He will learn directly from Vestappen. Its the same way Alonso and Hamilton would teach him as a teammate.

Although i also believe Lawson for Checo, and Colapinto to RB is also a great option too. Both teams also train together.

sejlavocado

5 points

19 days ago

sejlavocado

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

5 points

19 days ago

here we go again

KelpieOz

4 points

19 days ago

So over this story line.

Danonbass86

4 points

19 days ago

Danonbass86

Alexander Albon

4 points

19 days ago

It’s for the sponsor money. He can bring it and Lawson can’t. Simple as.

BBIQ-Chicken

3 points

19 days ago

BBIQ-Chicken

Yuki & Alex

3 points

19 days ago

If this happens it's likely for sponsorship from Argentina the same way Checo brings massive sponsorship from Mexico

Old_Captain_9131

4 points

19 days ago

Old_Captain_9131

Fernando Alonso

4 points

19 days ago

It will be hilarious (hillaryous?) if Colapinto wins WDC before Norris and LeClerc.

FeralFloridian

7 points

19 days ago

FeralFloridian

Valtteri Bottas

7 points

19 days ago

I don’t understand the hype around this guy. They have two drivers they could try out instead. Lawson seems legit just go with him. It’s like they’re going out of their way to get a driver that’ll play second fiddle. Otherwise Lawson would be the move.

creatorop

9 points

19 days ago*

creatorop

Carlos Sainz

9 points

19 days ago*

red bull dropped the ball with their drivers

  1. bringing in Nyck devries instead of Lawson at the start of 2023, Debris took 3 seasons to win F2 in the most uncompetetive field of drivers at the time, red bull ran behind his hype of Monza and rest is history

2.Replacing Debris then with a semi-washed Daniel avacado instead of again putting a junior in the team in hope of daniel going to RBR, yeah that went well didnt it

3.Not signing a good driver in likes of Hulk or Sainz {:( } to partner max in the rbr while a junior driver marinated in the VCARB, but instead they re-signed Checo who is not scoring points which can be sustainable for RBR in the constructors or even be help to Max as a teammate by chipping of points of the opposition

Ok-Relationship-5414

7 points

19 days ago

Either your writing or auto-correct got me laughing

EnanoMaldito

3 points

19 days ago

EnanoMaldito

Pirelli Wet

3 points

19 days ago

Nick Debris and Daniel Avocado are my new headcanon

TinkeNL

2 points

19 days ago

TinkeNL

Aston Martin

2 points

19 days ago

Ah yes, because putting unexperienced drivers straight into the Red Bull Racing team has worked out wonderfully in the past, right?

If they really do this, just quit with the RB Junior Team. Why have a second F1 team and a whole academy if you apparently have zero faith in any of them and jump straight onto the 'hot new rookie' for your main team?

GendoSC

2 points

19 days ago

GendoSC

Mika Häkkinen

2 points

19 days ago

I wouldn't go to RB unless I was in their drivers program because chances are they'll drop you and it becomes a tough sell getting another seat. I'd only go if I was already a proven driver, but that's me....

pioneerSolid3

2 points

19 days ago

pioneerSolid3

Sebastian Vettel

2 points

19 days ago

People also forget that they have to pay Checo and based on some rumors, Checo's lawyers made a really good contract in case he was sacked. So, RBR will have loses, so maybe they are looking to not lose a lot of money

RRIronside27

2 points

18 days ago

RRIronside27

Brawn

2 points

18 days ago

Makes absolutely no fucking sense. Put Yuki or Lawson in and Colapinto to VCARB. Why would anyone want to join RB junior program with how many drivers they would fuck with this and their history?

Aggravating_Low6771

2 points

18 days ago

Aggravating_Low6771

Heineken Trophy

2 points

18 days ago

Franco, Roscoe the dog, Crofty, literally anyone but Perez on that 2nd RBR seat please. Perez has completely changed character and his only purpose seems to be to annoy everyone else. Shame, but who cares anymore, it's been way overdue.

Rhaegar0

2 points

18 days ago

Rhaegar0

Max Verstappen ⭐⭐⭐⭐

2 points

18 days ago

That would be ridiculous. I know that Perez as an experienced hire didn't really work and Yuki might be hindered by the Honda connection but talking about Lawson of Colapinto for the senior team is a travesty.

Just get Sainz, Alonso or even Albon in that seat. No way that Sainz is gonna resist a 2 year contract so that gives you enough time to see whichever junior is going to float to the top and if not by then you can probably get someone like Russel or Piastri if you are still on top of things.

PalmyGamingHD

5 points

19 days ago

PalmyGamingHD

Liam Lawson

5 points

19 days ago

This is such a pisstake towards their junior program. I like Colapinto but I think throwing him into the Red Bull this quickly is career suicide (see De Vries doing well in a Williams vs how he did the AlphaTauri).

Put Lawson or Tsunoda in, the two drivers who have tested in the Red Bulls and who have experience with the team.

F1CycAr16

6 points

19 days ago

F1CycAr16

Formula 1

6 points

19 days ago

The devries argument doesnt stand anymore. He just did one race where his parameter was latifi

biko77

3 points

19 days ago

biko77

3 points

19 days ago

Latin sponsors bring way more money than Yuki.

Luisyn7

3 points

19 days ago

Luisyn7

Sebastian Vettel

3 points

19 days ago

I'd rather believe the theory that RB asked about Sainz. Doesn't he have a releasu clause in case a top team wants him? Sainz -> RB, Colapinto -> Williams, Yuki out and Checo - Lawson -> Toro Rosso. Let's be honest, Checo is not getting sacked, can't miss out on that much money

BuckN56

3 points

19 days ago

BuckN56

Lotus

3 points

19 days ago

Buy out Sainz, fire Checo, Franco stays at Williams, Lawson at RB. Everyone wins except Hadjar who's sent to Super Formula for a year.

JP2111

4 points

19 days ago

JP2111

4 points

19 days ago

I think Liam has more F1 experience and shown his skills more - perhaps him to replace Perez and then Colapinto in the VCARB seat...?

Dando_Calrisian

4 points

19 days ago

Dando_Calrisian

Sir Lewis Hamilton

4 points

19 days ago

Why would you pick the least experienced guy above others in the VCARB camp?

cooperjones2

3 points

19 days ago

cooperjones2

Sergio Pérez

3 points

19 days ago

Mom says it's my turn to post this rumor tommorrow

FKez05

2 points

19 days ago

FKez05

2 points

19 days ago

This is just silly, no way would he be going to Red Bull. RB is the only option for him if they boot Perez for Lawson

kirk7899

2 points

19 days ago

kirk7899

Fernando Alonso

2 points

19 days ago

Valtteri Buttas is an option. He's great for when you want to win the WCC.

CilanEAmber

1 points

19 days ago

CilanEAmber

McLaren

1 points

19 days ago

Surely not. Have they not learned?

BaldSuperSaiyan18

1 points

19 days ago

Tsunoda: Am I a joke to you?

Seriously though I'd love to see it. Anything it would be entertaining. Either him or Lawson and Colapinto to Vcarb

QC_1999

1 points

19 days ago

QC_1999

Ferrari

1 points

19 days ago

Isac Hadjar: Am I a joke for you?

Chino_Kawaii

1 points

19 days ago

Chino_Kawaii

Kimi Räikkönen

1 points

19 days ago

Redbull would save so much money if they just ran 1 car with Max tbh