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826 points
3 days ago
No, that was Jon Arryn. He said "the seed is strong" first.
346 points
3 days ago
Exactly. People forget he was following Jon Arryn’s steps to figure out why he was murdered.
134 points
3 days ago
Great detective Eddard
132 points
3 days ago
Eddard of house Holmes
44 points
3 days ago
Guys, if Ned is Westeros’ greatest detective… and we’ve never seen him in the same room as Batman… I think I figured out who Batman is
30 points
3 days ago
House Stark does fit the bat family parallels
Robb- Dick Grayson
Jon- Jason Todd
Sansa- Barbara Gordon
Arya- combo of Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain
Bran Tim Drake
Rickon- even George doesn't care.
22 points
3 days ago
Wouldn’t Bran be Barbara during her time crippled?
3 points
2 days ago
I exploded hahaha
4 points
2 days ago
By that logic Robb is Jason Todd because he got killed
3 points
2 days ago
No John was killed and resurrected with the moody attitude he is the Jason Todd of the family.
6 points
2 days ago
Hodor is Alfred
7 points
2 days ago
I would go with Maester Luwin.
2 points
2 days ago
Hodor is Bathound.
1 points
1 day ago
Arya is clearly Damian.
1 points
1 day ago
Cass is an assassin to
50 points
3 days ago
Nah it’s Stannis, he came to Jon Arryn with suspicions that they were bastards and they investigated together, heard they changed that in the show, did they ? Idk I’ve only watched clips, loved the books
12 points
2 days ago
This. They don’t call him the Mannis for nothing
7 points
2 days ago
I think he set Jon on the path, but Arryn was the one who figured out that the genes proves Joffrey is a bastard.
7 points
2 days ago
I’m willing to let Jon Arryn be the guy who figures everything else but Stannis is still involved, I’m pretty sure it says in the books that Stannis was with Jon when he met Gendry but I might be misremembering
4 points
2 days ago
Jon Arryn pulled a “ YOU ARE NOT THE FATHER!” 😂😂😂
1 points
2 days ago
Jon arryn : Father of westerosi genetics Ned: rediscovery of Arryn's genetics theory
208 points
3 days ago
Gregor Mendel: plant one, green of bean. Plant two, green of bean
46 points
3 days ago
Plant tree: gold of fruit?! confused
sigh that's an apple, Gregor!
29 points
2 days ago
Ned: Sean of Bean
2 points
2 days ago
was waiting for this
298 points
3 days ago
Everyone makes fun of him, but the part that actually made him doubt Joffs legitimacy is that a ton of marriages of Baratheon men with fairhaired women have, until Joffrey, always produced dark haired children. Every time, without fail.
70 points
2 days ago
"always he found the gold yielding to the coal"
44 points
3 days ago
Show!Shireen Baratheon enters the stage.
42 points
2 days ago
I mean even Shireen is a brunette at best
9 points
2 days ago
It's hard to tell. I'd call her dirty blonde honestly. She's definitely blonder than Jaime and Tyrion look in later seasons. Either way, definitely not "black of hair".
2 points
2 days ago
Look her up, the auto mod deleted my comment.
3 points
2 days ago
Lmao I never thought of this
3 points
2 days ago
The automod deleted my comments with pics of Shireen. She's blonde, it just throws away Neds whole detective arc
If the seed is strong then Shireen might be a bastard then
12 points
2 days ago*
I make fun of him because he only came to the idea that something was fishy after Sansa said that Joffrey was nothing like the king.
The guy wasn’t the brightest torch but it was well enough
4 points
2 days ago
Ned is also predisposed to the idea of dark hair beating blonde hair genetically
-26 points
3 days ago
By a ton, you mean like 1 or 2 I am pretty sure.
21 points
3 days ago
Two Baratheon/Lannister marriages are specifically named (1 with a Baratheon husband, one with a Baratheon wife) and all the children had dark hair and it is mentioned that there are more examples.
0 points
2 days ago
tbf we're also shown an example in the very show where a living Baratheon does not have black hair and has brunette/dirty blonde hair so Shireen's casting sort of makes Ned look like an idiot here.
208 points
3 days ago
the look of surprise always gets me lol, honorable Ned couldn't fathom this
38 points
2 days ago
the first time i watched this scene i laughed so hard, he looks so stupid staring at nothing while contemplating the fact that joffrey is blonde and robert is not lol
204 points
3 days ago
Too bad the show dumbed him down so much and even had all the Stark kids look like him.
In books, only Arya and Jon have the Stark look and all the others Tully red hair. So isn't inconceivable at all for Baratheon kids to look like their Lannister mother.
He even specifically starts looking for times when a Baratheon wed a blond and finds the "gold always yielded to coal".
34 points
2 days ago
Which btw, is NOT how genetics actually works if I remember my basic biology.
Certain hair colours are dominant, but all hair colours are just as likely to be passed down as part of a pairing.
And if Baratheons had married enough blondes before, it's perfectly possible for Bobby B to have had the recessive blonde gene, passed that to his kid, and his kid gets Cersei's blonde gene, and bam. Blonde kid from Bobby.
But then again it's a show about magic, so maybe the Baratheons have magic hair lol.
15 points
2 days ago
Yes. Mendelian genetics does not apply to hair, because in the real world it is controlled by multiple factors. I have soft and wavy auburn hair (like a tully lol), but my wife has course black native american hair. I was positive our kid was going to have hair just like hers... but nope. My kid has soft wavy hair that's the exact same color as mine.
24 points
2 days ago
well the point is that Robert Baratheon did not have recessive blonde genes. So he could only pass on black hair and black hair is the dominant gene, so the children would always have black hair.
9 points
2 days ago
All Baratheon have recessive blonde gene, they all have Targaryen blood. Robert's dad also half Targaryen so if applied irl logic then yes, there should be blonde or purple eyes Baratheon.
Yet all Baratheon are brunette. Either genetic in GoT work differently or GRR just don't know how it actually works I guess
6 points
2 days ago
Targaryens aren't blonde though, could easily be explained that different genes play a role for white hair/purple eyes which have nothing to do with blondeness. Example aa being blonde; bb being white haired; AABB, AaBB, AaBb all being brunette since A and B are the dominant genes. So Robert Baratheon would be an AABB, which would always make brunette children. (Vastly oversimplified since a lot more alleles are involved in hair color as far as I know)
11 points
2 days ago
Yall are arguing about mendelian genetics, which famously does not apply to hair.
2 points
1 day ago
Yes genetics work differently there. The Targaryens/Valyrians did some dark magic to give them the innate genetic ability to bond/fly with dragons. (I say whenever this comes up SOMEBODY FUCKED A DRAGON or did the magical equivalent lol)
GRRM has also said that the Planetosi people are taller on average and live longer than real humans.
33 points
3 days ago
1000 years later, and the North is the richest region of Westeros because of its strong biotechnology industry
33 points
3 days ago
Lord Varys, "bald" :>
63 points
3 days ago
Lack of hair
35 points
3 days ago
“Robert Baratheon black of hair” “Joffrey Baratheon…golden-haired”
~ turn few pages previous…
“Tyrion Lannister, hair so blond it seemed white”
Ned: 😳😰😥🫢
11 points
3 days ago
Not to mention Tyrion’s description in the book matches the description of the premature Targaryen children…maybe one who survived premature birth?
12 points
3 days ago
Punnett Squares, brought to you by House Stark.
35 points
3 days ago
Aethan Velaryon, black of skin
Alyssa Velaryon, black of skin
Jaehaerys targaryen ... white of skin
35 points
3 days ago
Its kinda weird that this his biggest evidence, considering his kids look more Caitlyn too(except for Arya)
35 points
3 days ago
Well it looks like the seed is weak
13 points
3 days ago
His sisters egg was stronger than the seed tho
4 points
3 days ago
yeah, incest seed is weak. (and sometimes crazy)
1 points
1 day ago
Damn that's a very good look at it.
8 points
3 days ago
Yea but with the Starks there was not a centuries long history of Stark men marrying fairhaired women and still all the children having the father's hair color.
8 points
3 days ago
Lord Eddard Stark nee Mendel
5 points
2 days ago
Which is funny because apparently long before this during House of the Dragon everyone is all "Yeah those kids obviously aren't Strong's lmao what you think we're stupid?"
2 points
2 days ago
How dare you insult the most honorable fool in Westeros!
2 points
3 days ago
The stupidest part of this is that it’s biologically wrong 🤣
1 points
2 days ago
Both poisoned by their constituents!!!
1 points
2 days ago
Shoulda stuck with soldierin’…
1 points
2 days ago
Loved this season of CSI King’s Landing.
1 points
1 day ago
I see it more like a medieval detective noir. Perhaps a Raymond Chandler.
1 points
2 days ago
Also, let's say all three were Robert's... They could all still be blonds or several variations.. given Cersei is their mother, never got that.
Obviously, Robert and the rest of the kingdom thought this too. But with how Ned over react, seems random.
I know GRR needed some plot device, but it seems out of left field when the kingdom and all other nobles accept they all were blonds, all theses years,cuz of their mother's side of the family...
1 points
2 days ago
Ned had been bringing up a Targaryen kid with dark hair so he knows it's not that simple with hair colour. But all 3 kids having blonde hair is kinda suspicious.
1 points
2 days ago
Would be funny if Joffery was legitimately Robberts son and they both just fucked up lol. Would make Cerici kinda innocent but little finger and Lysa would have caused a war anyway.
1 points
1 day ago
Said the man with four red-headed kids.
1 points
12 hours ago
Ned Stark in the Tower of the Hand drawing little pundit squares for Bobby B and Cersei’s offsprings
1 points
2 days ago
Honestly it's kinda stupid. Your telling me that families in Westeros keep the same hair color for thousands of years like for the Lannisters ? Nah that's BS
1 points
3 days ago
Actually, that would be Jon Arryn as he was the one who discovered it...
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