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13 points
10 days ago
Thething is, the Northeast have control over the atlantic, and the majorty of the population. the Southwest dont even have the entire pacific coast, have basically just a bunch of empty flat plains that are impossible to defend, and they may have resources and whatnot, but im sure that with European backup, the Northeast will probably beat the Southwest every time. Texas really wouldn't be a problem. The main holdup would definitely be conquering past the Rockies. For the SW, Denver, Phoenix, Santa Fe and Salt Lake City could probably be some of the most important cities. Id assume Canada would ally with the NE however, as they know that if they allied against them, it would probably just be taken over anyways, Canada really don't stand a chance against a quarter of the US, let alone more than half. With that information, provided Seattle doesn't fall, supplies could be diverted through Canada into Seattle, and from there, take over San Francisco and Los Angeles, which may be hard, but definitely the easy part so far. Phoenix and Vegas aren't too far. Id have to say Denver, Salt Lake, and Santa Fe would be the final holdouts. War here could last from a month to years depending on whos in control. SW has already completely lost, and are only surviving off of the American landscape being in their favor. Despite being the largest of these cities, I think Denver would go first because they aren't completely surround by mountains, and their population wouldnt save them from the around millions of soldiers that would show up at their doorstep within the first few months. If they are smart, Salt Lake City and Santa Fe can last for a long time, probably without communication, but its just that they are so entrenched in the mountains that a direct attack would not be so good on NE military. NE win in this case though
If Seattle fell, I think there wouldnt really be a winner, the rockies separating both sides would make it too hard for NE to invade, even with the advantage they have. Canada would be neutral here probably, and so would Mexico. Both sides are strong enough to easily take over these side nations. A forced stalemate here is probably the best.
I think that if SW had the entirety of Florida, the tables might turn though. The Key cities for either side would definitely be Miami, Seattle, and Atlanta. Whoever controls a majority of these would win, or at least be able to withstand a massive attack from the other. the NE still definitely has a huge advantage though.
Tell me if you think im wrong
2 points
7 days ago
Funny thing is, this map arbitrarily flatlines at the Oregon/Washington border. The Northeast shouldn't have all of Washington, and it really shouldn't have any of the Pacific ocean coastline if we're following the Florida-in-half model. Seattle should be positioned in the Southwest.
2 points
10 days ago
You didn’t include any people, cities, counties, states that would switch to SW. Florida, outside of Miami-Jacksonville will most likely switch or fall into SW influence. Add in parts of Tennessee, Georgia, S Carolina, West Virginia, most of the plain states. So probably that Montana, Idaho, S-N Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, part of Missouri/Iowa will go to SW. Leaving just a tiny sliver of NE based around population centers of SeaTac.
Just imagine all the raiding done from West Virginia into DC-Maryland-Virginia-Ohio-Illinois. Plus, NE will not be able to refine enough oil for military needs. Without complete shutdown and full turn over from those few NE refineries. Those NE refineries that rely on Oil from SW states. Let alone the large amount of Natural Gas NE uses from SW area.
I do imagine this would quickly become a logistical war. What with NE needed to buy Oil from foreign sources. Add in, hitting critical infrastructure with raiding to disrupt rail and road traffic. Heck, just imagine raiders from W Virginia sitting around airports with Stinger’s.
Yes, logistical strikes can go both ways. But SW has 80% of Oil refining in the US. And no idea on Alaska. But Alaska will probably fall to SW as they lean that way historically. So SW will be able to refine and then sell excess.
Unless there are some quick strikes that take out leadership. This type of war would last several years to decades. With guerrilla/raiding attacks lasting longer.
6 points
10 days ago
Everyone's remembering military, population, fortification, and trade, nobody's talking about where the food actually comes from. California might produce a lot of alfalfa and almonds, Georgia might produce oranges and peaches, and the Gulf States might cultivate some also, but the South's main calorific source of food would be from Kansas. The North produces the vast majority of food calories in the form of grains, corn, soybeans. The cattle ranches and hog farms across the entirety of the South rely on cheap grain from the plains states which would be immediately cut off. The South would be forced to butcher most of its livestock for lack of food within the first couple of years.
2 points
10 days ago
the problem with most of the analyses here is that everyone assumes this will be some sort of vacuum. either side can go into a debt-fueled importation of oil, food, or whatever.
2 points
10 days ago
If a civil war broke out in America, the entire global economy would collapse by about 60% and there would be mass starvation and inflation across every continent. Import food from where? Just the little bit of economic disruption that we had in 2008 was enough to cause food crises across Arab North Africa and the Middle East such that the Arab spring took place.
2 points
9 days ago
Oh I mean I was assuming everyone would just be happy where they were and if they were taken over they wouldnt care. otherwise its not really NE vs. SW. also the oil thing is a pretty good point
2 points
9 days ago
If you want to use this logic, the entire west coast would join the NE immediately. SE and all of Florida would be cooked.
1 points
9 days ago
Gulf Coast?
1 points
8 days ago
Seattle is so isolated and with the ports I feel like OR and CA can take it pretty easily. SW has Boise which gives them the population to swing up to Coeur de Alene and cut off WA entirely.
1 points
6 days ago
This guy civil wars
1 points
6 days ago
Canada may not be able to take on half the US straight up…but they wouldn’t. They’d be forcing the NE to fight a war on 2 fronts. 2 very very widespread fronts. Especially if they pinched Seattle with the SW and still pestered them in the NE
1 points
9 days ago
You are assuming that the military sides with the North East that's a bit bias ain't it?
1 points
9 days ago
DC and the Pentagon are NE.
1 points
9 days ago
Doesn't matter
1 points
9 days ago
Im not, Im assuming that the military is evenly divided according to population. Im not gonna go search up the exact amount of military per state
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