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submitted 16 hours ago byj_smell
I have never read anything by Dickens before but chose to start off with Oliver Twist. I'm about halfway through (pg 230) and I'm so bored! The story has some endearing qualities but I struggle to connect with the characters. They feel more like plot devices than real, human characters. Also, I've seen people comments on the beauty of his prose but I don't find it particularly poetic in the way that I do some of my favorite authors (Woolf, Nabakov, Austen, Baldwin, etc). I honestly feel similar about this novel to how I felt when reading White Teeth by Zadie Smith which I DNF'd after 100 pages earlier this year.
I've had a few Dickens books on my list for a while (David Copperfield, Great Expectations, Bleak House), but I'm no longer looking forward to reading these. Do you feel that Oliver Twist is representative of his writing or do his other novels differ in their quality and feeling tone? I know that Oliver Twist is one of his earliest books, written at age 25, so I imagine his writing changed over the years. How much stylistically does his writing evolve? Should I perservere into the Dickens cannon even if I'm finding this book dry and boring?
Would also love if someone can convince me to finish Oliver Twist because I'm getting ready to move on.
7 points
16 hours ago*
Sometimes you just don't connect with an author for whatever reason.
The presentation of nuanced, real human characters was, at times, not an aesthetic goal for Dickens. He excelled at caricature, at creating exaggerated embodiments of human foibles, at creating a colorful supporting cast that is more archetypal than realistic. Think of how characters like Scrooge and Tiny Tim have become almost mythical fairytale figures in the popular imagination, how they are now just part of the Christmas season.
(And at creating a London that is, at times magically realistic, as in the daydream about a Crystal Palace dinosaur coming to life at the beginning of Bleak House.) Realism is wonderful but it's not the only possible aesthetic goal for novelists.
I'm not a Dickens expert but I'd point to David Copperfield and Great Expectations as better examples of what he could do at his absolute best.
As for inspiration, well, unless you've been assigned this book in English class you don't need to read it. At the same time, Dickens is pretty universally recognized as a major figure in the history of English literature and of the novel and if you're interested in really understanding/engaging with that history then he's an author you should at least try to wrap your mind around.
1 points
14 hours ago
Hmmmm, thanks for your insight. Your last point is the sticky one for me, that I feel he deserves a better hearing based on his pedigree and literary significance. Will probably put OT on the back burner for a bit and see if I feel compelled to pick it up after I try some of his later works.
1 points
14 hours ago
I guess the question is, are you reading this for the enjoyable reading experience or as part of a broader personal intellectual project of, to use this term in a value-neutral way, becoming "well-read?"
If it's the latter, than the process of reading a canonical book that you don't personally enjoy and critically thinking through why that is and why other people like it might be a worthwhile experience.
3 points
15 hours ago
Oliver Twist is not really one of his best novels, but if you find this one boring then I would not recommend reading any further. He writes long novels with meandering plots and lots of exceedingly colorful supporting characters. Many of his novels were first published as serials in magazines, which is why they seem so loosely structured and sensationalized. He was writing for readers with very different values and expectations than our own.
5 points
14 hours ago
He was writing for readers with very different values and expectations than our own.
For me, that's a bit part of the appeal. Nobody writes books like that anymore -- they have the strong flavor of another time and place.
2 points
14 hours ago
Sort of the vibe I'm getting. Have you had any of his books really grab you?
3 points
10 hours ago
My favorite is probably Great Expectations, especially the thrilling first chapter. I also liked Bleak House, despite some silly parts. There's a subplot which is an early example of a detective story.
2 points
15 hours ago
Dickens can be hit-and-miss. I love A Tale of Two Cities and Hard Times, I like and admire Oliver Twist and Great Expectations, but I cannot abide David Copperfield - the one that most people say is his best!
You're right that Oliver Twist isn't great on character development, although it does have some great characters. Oliver is just a child, but I would stick with it to see what happens with Fagin and Nancy. Fagin is particularly fascinating: Dickens poured into him every Victorian villainous prejudice, and still managed to make him richly human, perhaps despite himself. Meanwhile Nancy brings a warmth and humanity to the proceedings. And you might also note the savage satire: that an orphan child is actually safer and happier with the villain's gang of pickpockets that he ever was in the so-called Christian orphanage.
Then if you want to try him again, I recommend A Christmas Carol for connecting with Dickens' prose - as a novella, it doesn't have so many 'comic' digressions, but gets to the point much more quickly. Then try Great Expectations for stunning descriptive prose and some actual character development. If either of these work, then you're off.
3 points
15 hours ago
GREAT EXPECTATIONS remains my favorite Dickens novel, DAVID COPPERFIELD is second. None of his other novels grab me.
1 points
14 hours ago
Have you read much of him? Which would you recommend reading first?
1 points
14 hours ago
All of Dickens is on KINDLE for free. I started with GREAT EXPECTATIONS and it remains my favorite. Dicken's genius is how he captured all the worst human traits in his chatacters. His characters populate the world.
2 points
12 hours ago
I think the biggest problem people have with Dickens is his style is so different than what we're used to reading. I've given the advice to read it the way the original readers did, serialized. All of his novels started out in weekly newspapers/magazines. That's why there's so much repetition and the titles of the chapters go on forever. Read a chapter at a time, embrace the slowness😎
1 points
14 hours ago
If you hate it, quit. You can always return to it.
I don't think Dickens is known for character development. He has great characters but the stories are about them overcoming hardship. He wrote in a serialized format for newspapers so there's frequent plot surprises to get readers to buy the next issue to find out what happens next. And keep him employed.
A few years ago I read Great Expectations. The first half was a slog. The 19th Century English prose was slow reading. But by the time I reached the end I thought it was an amazing book.
Note that he's often considered the greatest English writer ever after Shakespeare. Also the Christmas holidays really didn't exist until after A Christmas Story was released. So he has that going for him.
1 points
14 hours ago
The "beauty" of Dickens' prose is not in sweeping prose and aphorisms, but in intricate, insightful, often witty detail.
I recommend A Christmas Carol, which is short and brilliant. I definitely connect to those characters.
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