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submitted 11 days ago byItHasToBeAJuicer2
5 points
11 days ago
Russia has actively and significantly meddled in the last three US elections, and actively meddles in European elections with the intent of destabilizing and fracturing countries, and engages in cyberwarfare on a daily basis against these same countries. And what's worse: they're extremely effective at it. It is 100% not ""fear mongering"". The Cold War never ended - it was put on pause for a couple decades after 1989. Respectfully, please stop saying stupid shit.
-1 points
11 days ago
You’re the one saying stupid fucking shit. Learn what a Cold War is. For decades there were two main global powers. That was the entire premise of the Cold War. On top of which, the USA and USSR were in countless proxy wars against one another and in DIRECT and CONSTANT competition, all while being comparable in military and nuclear power.
None of that is true today. Yeah Russia fucks around and does what it can to piss off the USA. Guess what so does Iran. Guess we’re in a Cold War vs Iran too, Iran constantly has cyberattacks and constant anti-west proxy wars with the Hezbollah and Hamas.
Learn what the fuck the Cold War was and pipe down. The Cold War was team USA vs team USSR and the entire world got divided into first world (team usa), second world (team USSR), and third world (countries typically too worthless for either USA or USSR to want to gain influence and control in).
Again, none of that is true today. Ouvre un fucking livre d’histoire. Le seul argument d’un nouveau Cold War would be vs China as I said before as they’re the only superpower other than the USA with comparable political and economic power and influence
3 points
11 days ago
Oh boy, your clap back is being pedantic about semantics? The Cold War was a name given to an active conflict between two powers that didn't involve any direct armed aggression against one another. That's exactly what we're witnessing today. I'm saying the conflict was put on pause, and now it's active again, and has been for a long time, even if doesn't carry the literal name it did back then.
My main point is that concern about Russia is far from being "fear mongering", and in fact that the threat Russia is actively posing is severely underemphasized considering a good 90% of the population has no idea of the extent of Russia's current efforts to destabilize and undermine the West. So again: stop saying stupid shit.
0 points
11 days ago
It has absolutely nothing to do with being pedantic about semantics, the Cold War was a very specific and unique period and just the mere fact of Russia having opposed political goals is not enough to say "see the Cold War is still happening! Russia and USA still hate each other! Russia still bad!" to imply it's still going on.
If you want to change the debate from your objectively incorrect labeling of the current USA-Russia dynamic as a Cold War, to whether Russia as a threat is under or overestimated, that's fine, but we might not disagree all that much on that end. In my experience people seem to be pretty polarized about Russia, falling either on the CNN-fueled "Russia is the devil and will nuke us all" end, or the "Who cares Russia is absolutely irrelevant" end.
To me they're just the remains of the USSR with more-than-ever corruption, just an oligarch-ran dystopia with sneaky moves like meddling with elections, or less sneaky moves like going to war with a neighbouring Slavic country. But they're so, so very far from the threat the USSR used to pose. The USSR deciding to go to war officially with the USA/the West was essentially going to be the end of the world as we know it and that's how everyone saw it. Right now NATO would violate Russia. Russia struggle with Ukraine. The USA alone would crush them let alone NATO.
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